@@egyptian_noob Everytime a dead guy appears it is actually MiB. Jacob brought them to the island but didn't get involved. He did send Ethan though, who was infected.
I love the chemistry between Jacob and MIB. Their conversation can go from friendly to "I am going to kill you" and vice versa instantly. I wish we saw more of MIB in his original form (Titus Welliver)
love how the wine portrays MIB as he is stuck in the bottle aka the island and jacob is the cork that wont allow him to escape aka leave the island. just the small scenes like this just makes lost that much more incredible, always keeps you thinking. miss this show heaps, thank god for the boxsets!
So some external force breaks the island into pieces againsta a huge log without doing anything to Jacob so that MIB can spill over the log? You have a good imagination. ;)
Completely agree here. An entire series could be made on the island keepers. I’m so disappointed nobody has made a spin-off of the island with a different story.
@@jbreezy101 the only reason I can find that Mib was evil is that he instantly killed all the officers from Richard's ship for no reason (ab eterno episode).. He could have made a deal with all of them to kill Jacob in exchange for something, they would have had a better chance- 50 people to kill Jacob instead of just Richard alone
@@catac83 in no way do I have this figured out, but the officers on the ship were killing all the slaves. About to kill Richard. I think mib knew there was no one to negotiate with. I don’t think he was evil either. He took on another form when Jacob killed him and then was focused on getting off the island. Jacob kept him there not to save humanity but to keep him company. They both had child like temperaments, never grew up to become functional adults. Jacob threw a temper tantrum when he killed his brother. He lived with the consequences ever more.
He could leave if he drunk the Wine, but his pride won't allow to take Jacob's gift. The gift was Jacob test, If he had drink the wine that would mean he could overcome pride therefore is redeemable and Jacob would allow him to leave, but he failed
Watching these two reminds me of God and Lucifer bargaining over Job. Gods and their games and it never ends well for the poor mortals who get caught between them.
@@Electricsheep86God didn’t bargain, God knew Job would not falter, Satan tried to accuse Job and also by doing so, Satan accused God, indirectly saying That Despite Gods better knowledge of knowing Job was Righteous and denies evil, satan then says that if such and such were to happen then Job would curse God, this not only accused Job but it also was an accusation against Gods knowledge to say that God would have no idea if Job were to keep his loyalty if God were to let satan run rampant against Him. God had a choice, either refuse satan from acting against his plan which would in turn give the enemy a make believe notion that he was right and that God wouldnt let him do it to Job because there was a possibility God was wrong about Job, or Two, God allows Satan to use all his tactics against Job to prove God knew Job was righteous before Him even in the very face of adversity. When satan then does his evils against Job under the permission of God and Job proves himself to God, it showed the Host of Heaven That God knew entirely what He was speaking of and further placed satan into the position of an accuser and a liar. God doesnt make wagers nor does He bet, and He does not play Games with Lives. God simply knows. And then the ones who make wagers and play games are the ones who do not know.
@Akshay Natu n thats my interpretation as well. Its a common idea that good is white n black is bad. Same for the show but different. The writers made Jacob feel n even look like a good guy but imo, he wasn’t. U can’t just bring people to a random island without their will n let them die. N also, if u bringing them, at least help them (before Richard). N he explains to Richard that MIB was a monster but fdo we actually see that? All we know is MIB was someone who wanted to leave the island n live with the outside world. But Jacob n their mum didn’t want that so they both bullied MIB. So imo, Jacob wad the bad guy herre not MIB.
@@claytonedwards6116 yea but thats the thing.. we only know that coz Jacob says so. The only thing MiB ever wanted was to leave but Jacob n their mother didn’t want that. We don’t know if MiB leaving the island was actually as dangerous as Jacob claimed.
@@claytonedwards6116 well thats the thing.. if u watch the creators’ interviews, they left these things out on purpose so everyone could have their own opinions n perspectives on this.
@@claytonedwards6116 well again, thats what Jacob says Richard. But from all we know from the flashbacks, MIB was harmless n just wanted to leave the island n discover the world without any harm. But it was Jacob who said so n so about MiB.
@@claytonedwards6116 my opinion on this is that Jacob was actually in the wrong more than MiB. In that scene u mentioned, Jacob explains to Richard that MIB believes “every person can be manipulated coz its in their very nature to sin”. N he was totally RIGHT about this. But on the other hand, Jacob brings people to the island, without their consent, n leaves them to die saying “their past doesn’t matter” (this was before Richard came n became his consultant). N by the end of the show, we learn that Jacob never really had any plans, he was just living in the moment n fooled Richard for centuries saying he had plans for the safety of the island (from MiB).
@@barad-dur9236 Yeah I always thought the sharing of a drink was more just a tradition, maybe in honour of the light of the islands obvious connection to water? The phrase "Now you're like me." seems to be important as well. It's obviously an intent thing.
1. The smoke monster became MiB, not the other way around 2. Its after because they are talking about the loophole and Jacob is obviously the protector
@@WonkelDee I think it was implied that he either transformed into or combined with the smoke monster. We never found out if there was still part of him from before.
@@stellarwind1946 No he became the smoke monster when Jacob threw him in the light source river. As their mother explained, every person has a little bit of light inside them, but they always want more, and if they try to take it, the light will go out. The absent of light is darkness. And that's what happened to MIB. Some of his light was basically returned to the source, and without it, he has darkness within him from the lack of light. The light itself is basically the exotic matter responsible for the essence of existence. More or less light determines your nature in the universe. The more light you have, the more powerful you are to alter reality around you to your wishes (which is why Jacob can do some supernatural things). The base level of the universe is a lack of light altogether, which isn't actually nothing, but rather, some twisted version of reality that is lifeless and full of black smoke that isn't technically sentient, but just a force of its own, and the whole base level of existence without the light is just an entire universe filled with black smoke. Since their mother made them unable to harm each other, technically Jacob could not kill MIB, but since Jacob knocked him unconscious (which would have otherwise killed him) and MIB ended up getting sucked into the light, MIB could not die, but also lost some of that light, altering his nature. The light itself could be said to be something that modulates universal constants and provides what the universe itself needs to exist at all. It must be something that effectively permeates the entire universe all at once, instantly, faster than light, radiating out to create the entire universe. Since it is constantly radiating its energy, if it goes out, the universe also goes out like a light switch, since the light is the only thing keeping back the darkness. But like shadows in a lit room, the MIB is able to exist parallel to the light that radiates and otherwise pushes back the darkness, like some multi dimensional aspect. The light itself cannot be taken, but trying to take it can put the light out. Basically their proximity to the light allows them to get extra amounts of it, or the mother found a way to imbue more light into Jacob and MIB. Perhaps previously it could be taken, but since men will keep taking it, they'd eventually exhaust it, causing the collapse of the universe. So even though the mother is dead, her wishes clearly still have power, which is why Jacob could not kill MIB. She just never foresaw how that will would affect things in that scenario where he was thrown into the light but couldn't die. In essence, anyone going into the light becomes a smoke monster, or dies instantly but degrades the light, but since Jacob could not harm MIB, the light could not allow MIB to die. So Jacob can for example, give someone a cup of water, "bless" it with his wish, (like with immortality for Richard), and have them drink it. The same goes with the healing pools in the temple. What is also hinted is that since the light has been degraded by men trying to take it before, our base reality may have been even greater than we know it, where the reality like how Jacob experiences it, might have been the base reality for everyone, where no one dies, where people can will thing into existence, and a civilization was built on it. We may only ever die because the light itself was degraded severely in some previous event before their mother became its protector. That's just one way to look at it. But the actual reality of the light, when you take Jacobs wine bottle analogy into consideration, is the base universe is what it is, but the lights placement is like covering a black hole. It's a cork over a bottle, where the opening to that bottle is where the darkness actually resides, like some other universe connected to ours that is being held back, but would consume our universe if it was able to get through, and the light is the doorway blocking that darkness. MIB essentially passed through that barrier and brought back some of the darkness with him. So if you imagine the big bang, where everything was darkness, and then some particle magically appears into existence from what we call the big bang, causing the universe to form. Which essentially makes the light the exact center of the universe, where the big bang happened. But even though it added something, nothing was also still there, waiting on the other side. It's like a ying yang wormhole, where big bang happened on one side, but the "darkness" was all condensed to the other side, folded in on itself, and trapped by the light, like wine in a corked bottle. They are inexorably linked, but messing with it can eventually cause the balance to be thrown off, where rather than having light as the primary thing, darkness becomes the primary thing. So basically the whole thing is about the true nature of our universe, simplified down to two elements: light and dark, existence and non existence. Some ancient society discovered these truths a long long time ago, much longer ago than we probably realize, to the point that even in MIB's mother's time, it was already well known what the light was, and who knows how long she was actually protecting the light. She could have been there for millions of years, or just one of the many people the role was passed down to, meaning whole modern civilizations could have risen and fallen many times over. She explains everything in a simplistic manner, but she does so like she is actually very scientifically aware, like she came from a civilization just as advanced, or possible even more advanced than today. But keeping the explanations simple allows them to be easily passed down and understood, regardless of the era of development humans are at, whether they're from an advanced civilization that has risen, or from one that has fallen later. So it hints that she is very much from a very advanced civilization and has seen the rise and fall of mankind's civilizations over and over again.
@Rude666 I'm aware of that...and admittedly, I'm bad at guessing people's ages, but from my perception, the character of Jacob looks like he's only in his mid-thirties.
I always wondered why Jacob couldn't just simply let MiB leave the island? Was it because he's the Smoke Monster and would thus be a risk to the world? If so then why couldn't he just find a way to get rid of all his smoke powers (Jack did it) and then let him leave? Seriously for a enlightened mystic that everyone worships, he seems pretty arrogant here.
@eternalgarnet I wouldn't call them best friends, more like brothers. Jacob is like the older brother, fond of the younger but aware of his childish hot-headness, while MiB is the youngest, always wanting to replace the older brother. In fact, considering the story about MiB's mother, I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be not a metaphor, but actually true.
@eternalgarnet Still, MiB does the same thing that he said Caesar did: he calls people he doesn't like 'friends'. He even did it with Seamus a few episodes back. And "old friend", as Jacob put it, can mean a lot of things
I watched the whole thing when it was on, and I'm still a bit fuzzy on it: why was MiB such a threat to leave? Jacob was caretaker of the island, and he'd killed/made his brother into the smoke monster. But his brother wasn't evil, he just wasn't fanatical the same way they were raised. He still was reverent and mystified by the island, til their mom killed his crew. And now he just wants to leave - why would that be bad?
He is bound to the Island. Jacob isn't really preventing him from leaving. It's impossible for him to leave as long as the Source in the Island exists. The only way for him to leave is to "turn off" the light. Unfortunately, a piece of that light exists in every person, and extends to places all over the planet. So him leaving isn't really a big deal, but the process in which allows him to leave would essentially destroy the planet and everyone on it.
Was that the SAME bottle that Mother used to make Jacob the Island's protector. Was it then a message to Smokey as MiB? That I know what YOU really ARE and you're never getting off this Island.
That's why he can't - MiB was a ghost that born in antimatter or dark energy (that DHARMA tried to find) - his body died (caves;"Adam and Eve") - he was Black Smoke always after Jacob threw him into the Heart - but makes his own look
I don't think smokey was ever really Jacob's brother. The cave isn't just the source, it's also a prison (for smokey). Smokey can't get out, unless someone else takes his place. Smokey is just mimicking MIB to f with Jacob.
No. The smoke monster is just disembodied consciousness of one who tries to enter the Source directly. Mother was also a smoke monster. Check out Lost Explained for more details.
I thought it was hysterical how these twins, one, don't look anything alike (even most fraternal twins bear some resemblance to one another) and two, look about twenty years apart in age.
I find no reason why Jacob did not let Mib leave the island.. all that Mib ever did, including all the killings, was in order to leave the island, you would probably have done the same in his shoes.. if someone has a good explanation as to why Mib was evil, pls post it.. and pls don't bs me about the wine in the bottle
Yeah, a very gray area. But I would say the man in black is not jacobs human brother. As you know he seems to be able to take people's thoughts and memories...so what is he?........evil trying to escape?. He can't conveniently fly away over But if Jacob let's him go. He would have to shut off that light to make him mortal. And if he shut off that light there is no more good. I refer to the ending when he but the lid back on the light came back. The same bright light that poured out of the church doors. I can only assume there would no longer be any light at the end of the tunnel if he is released.
@@easterbeast843 I know Mib is not Jacobs brother.. the writters dont give us any explanation about the light and the darkness, its the same thing as with the wine in the bottle.. and you are wrong, MIB could leave the island , could fly over with the Ajira plane after Jacobs death, but "it has to be together" with all the candidates...or he could just leave after he would have killed all the candidates.. instead he took a shortcut after Jack was the the new protector..he chose not to wait any longer for a plot to kill Jack, but instead took a shortcut to destroy the island using Desmond and leave afterwords..and yes, you are right, he could have left if Jacob allowed him to leave somehow.. but I don't think that somehow involved Desmond cause Jacob could have let MIb leave way before Desmond got to the island.. I belive we should just trust Jacob that MIB was evil
@@catac83 mib couldn't leave the island. That's pretty much why he did what he did. He didn't fly anywhere. They did stick him in LA but that was a writing issue.. Oh...and mib can't kill candidates.
@@catac83 actually mib needed everyone together so he could have them all together to die . He needed them to die so jacab can't be replaced But he could not directly kill them himself.
Smokey the result of MiB's consciousness getting fused with the energy in the Source of the Island. The entity isn't entirely Jacob's brother's disembodied consciousness, but part of whatever energy makes the Island a place where Jacob can see the future, look at the lives of those FAR OFF in distant places, where time travel is possible, where paralysis gets reversed, where cancers get cured, where dead people can be seen and can communicate with the living etc. This entity now carrying Jacob's brother's disdain for humanity (they come, they fight, the corrupt, they destroy) and his pathological need to leave the Island. But this energy is bound to the Source and the Island. It can't leave. Jacob protects the Source and as result the Island. The entity wants to kill Jacob so it can destroy the Island and leave. Destroying the Island means ending all life. The Light at the Source is connected to the Light in every person (per "Mother's" description of the Light to young Jacob and MiB). If the light goes out here, it goes out everywhere. The entity having absorbed Jacob's brother's consciousness knows this, but doesn't care. It feels itself to be an individual wanting to "break free" of the prison that it perceives the Island as. And so, it ruthlessly and mercilessly kills anyone who comes to the Island, or manipulates people by impersonating the dead into killing each other. It kills without regard for innocence like it did the people in the temple, the pilot (Seth Rich), and Rousseau's team, and very likely the people on the Ajira flight (it told Richard they have to do something about those Ajira passengers). That alone is evil. Evil because it kills simply to achieve its ends. None of those people who came to Island had anything to do with its "captivity". And yet, it killed them or orchestrated their deaths. That's what makes it Evil. Also, the entity ONLY perceives itself as being "captive" but truly it was NEVER NOT part of the Light in the Source...it merely "thinks" it is a separate entity. That's why the Light is less bright after the events in Across the Sea. A portion of the Light now exists as Smokey who thinks he is Jacob's brother. We see it take on characteristics of others he impersonates (Christian, Yemi, Locke). It harbors a very negative view of humanity and has no compunction about killing people. That's Evil!
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They should have made more scenes with them two :>
They did. They appear in Season 1 but they're not the same actors. 🤐
@@christoffer4862 ?
@@egyptian_noob Everytime a dead guy appears it is actually MiB.
Jacob brought them to the island but didn't get involved. He did send Ethan though, who was infected.
@@christoffer4862 well yeah, but there’s no scenes with these two actors together
@@christoffer4862 Ethan was infected? What?
I love the chemistry between Jacob and MIB. Their conversation can go from friendly to "I am going to kill you" and vice versa instantly. I wish we saw more of MIB in his original form (Titus Welliver)
Same. I would absolutely love some further Lost content, a spin-off showing their time on the Island perhaps.
Look up Jacob mib teaser, connect 4 million, and totally lost
_Jacob comes back_ “Dude that was 600 year old wine! Lick that up!”
love how the wine portrays MIB as he is stuck in the bottle aka the island and jacob is the cork that wont allow him to escape aka leave the island. just the small scenes like this just makes lost that much more incredible, always keeps you thinking. miss this show heaps, thank god for the boxsets!
So some external force breaks the island into pieces againsta a huge log without doing anything to Jacob so that MIB can spill over the log? You have a good imagination. ;)
These allowed room for personal theory
It's like a Cain and Abel relationship
Except Jacob is Cain, and the MIB is Abel.
Jacob and Esau
The light is manipulating them both.
exactly
These two (Mark Pellegrino and Titus Welliver) only appeared together twice, but I love it when they're both on screen.
You must mean in two different shows, because they appeared together in much more than two scenes in Lost.
They appeared together many more times than twice.
1. The Incident
2. Ab Aeterno
3, 4, 5, 6, 7 & 8 in Across the Sea.
them guys needs a spin-off
Watch connect 4 million on youtube
@@kendrickparks9129 hahaha I remember that it was hilarious
Completely agree here.
An entire series could be made on the island keepers.
I’m so disappointed nobody has made a spin-off of the island with a different story.
such a beautiful location
+Alaa Yep, that was one of the reasons why I liked Lost so much, the settings were just amazing to look at
look at the landscape..!
its not beautiful
@@wqqqqqqqqqqqaaaahzamba2446 Then what is? You're probably a gutter rat who lives in the city.
i don't live in the city
i loove the music, when it pans and then we see MIB, the music is so ominous and dark. LOST forever!
MIB sure showed that wine bottle who's boss.
😆
Waste of cab
The most mysterious series ever
i Will loved if MIB leave the island and show he in world, it will be nice...
+xpela100 Chuck Norris could have stopped him, with some kicks to the jaw
Maybe xdd ahah
Unless the writers give us the reason why he was evil besides what we saw in the last season(s), I have to agree with xpela100
@@jbreezy101 the only reason I can find that Mib was evil is that he instantly killed all the officers from Richard's ship for no reason (ab eterno episode).. He could have made a deal with all of them to kill Jacob in exchange for something, they would have had a better chance- 50 people to kill Jacob instead of just Richard alone
@@catac83 in no way do I have this figured out, but the officers on the ship were killing all the slaves. About to kill Richard. I think mib knew there was no one to negotiate with. I don’t think he was evil either. He took on another form when Jacob killed him and then was focused on getting off the island. Jacob kept him there not to save humanity but to keep him company. They both had child like temperaments, never grew up to become functional adults. Jacob threw a temper tantrum when he killed his brother. He lived with the consequences ever more.
This moment was one of my favourite lost moments of all time. Works so well in upping the ante of the entire season!
Hawaii looks so dope i cant wait to go ❤ LOST FOREVER ❤❤❤❤❤
He could leave if he drunk the Wine, but his pride won't allow to take Jacob's gift. The gift was Jacob test, If he had drink the wine that would mean he could overcome pride therefore is redeemable and Jacob would allow him to leave, but he failed
Watching these two reminds me of God and Lucifer bargaining over Job. Gods and their games and it never ends well for the poor mortals who get caught between them.
Ironic considering that Mark Pellegrino played Lucifer on Supernatural
The fact that God plays games says a lot more about him than Man.
@@Electricsheep86God didn’t bargain, God knew Job would not falter, Satan tried to accuse Job and also by doing so, Satan accused God, indirectly saying That Despite Gods better knowledge of knowing Job was Righteous and denies evil, satan then says that if such and such were to happen then Job would curse God, this not only accused Job but it also was an accusation against Gods knowledge to say that God would have no idea if Job were to keep his loyalty if God were to let satan run rampant against Him. God had a choice, either refuse satan from acting against his plan which would in turn give the enemy a make believe notion that he was right and that God wouldnt let him do it to Job because there was a possibility God was wrong about Job, or Two, God allows Satan to use all his tactics against Job to prove God knew Job was righteous before Him even in the very face of adversity. When satan then does his evils against Job under the permission of God and Job proves himself to God, it showed the Host of Heaven That God knew entirely what He was speaking of and further placed satan into the position of an accuser and a liar. God doesnt make wagers nor does He bet, and He does not play Games with Lives. God simply knows. And then the ones who make wagers and play games are the ones who do not know.
One of best scene's for me
same here.."just let me leave Jacob"
I wish Titus Welliver played MIB in Season 6
love this scene, MIB is the wine trying to get out while jacob is the cork stopping him from leaving the island
@Akshay Natu n thats my interpretation as well. Its a common idea that good is white n black is bad. Same for the show but different. The writers made Jacob feel n even look like a good guy but imo, he wasn’t. U can’t just bring people to a random island without their will n let them die. N also, if u bringing them, at least help them (before Richard). N he explains to Richard that MIB was a monster but fdo we actually see that? All we know is MIB was someone who wanted to leave the island n live with the outside world. But Jacob n their mum didn’t want that so they both bullied MIB. So imo, Jacob wad the bad guy herre not MIB.
@@claytonedwards6116 yea but thats the thing.. we only know that coz Jacob says so. The only thing MiB ever wanted was to leave but Jacob n their mother didn’t want that. We don’t know if MiB leaving the island was actually as dangerous as Jacob claimed.
@@claytonedwards6116 well thats the thing.. if u watch the creators’ interviews, they left these things out on purpose so everyone could have their own opinions n perspectives on this.
@@claytonedwards6116 well again, thats what Jacob says Richard. But from all we know from the flashbacks, MIB was harmless n just wanted to leave the island n discover the world without any harm. But it was Jacob who said so n so about MiB.
@@claytonedwards6116 my opinion on this is that Jacob was actually in the wrong more than MiB. In that scene u mentioned, Jacob explains to Richard that MIB believes “every person can be manipulated coz its in their very nature to sin”. N he was totally RIGHT about this. But on the other hand, Jacob brings people to the island, without their consent, n leaves them to die saying “their past doesn’t matter” (this was before Richard came n became his consultant). N by the end of the show, we learn that Jacob never really had any plans, he was just living in the moment n fooled Richard for centuries saying he had plans for the safety of the island (from MiB).
The show becomes scary in the final 2 seasons. At least the final season.
So it's the same bottle Jacob's mother gave him the drink from. The one which made him the protector of the island. So Jacob gave it to MIB?
The wine was an insignificant formality. It was her touching Jacob on the shoulder that passed on being the protector
@@barad-dur9236 Yeah I always thought the sharing of a drink was more just a tradition, maybe in honour of the light of the islands obvious connection to water? The phrase "Now you're like me." seems to be important as well. It's obviously an intent thing.
Man at least take a sip before smashing the bottle!
The bottle is the concave earth. Can't escape it. Even in death
An endless loop
Yeah, I'd love to see them play pranks on another. :)
Jacob and Esau
1:01 "Then ill kill them to" lol
Poor MiB 😱
Is this before or after the MiB became the smoke monster?
1. The smoke monster became MiB, not the other way around
2. Its after because they are talking about the loophole and Jacob is obviously the protector
@@WonkelDee your first point is debatable
@@stellarwind1946 It’s implied
@@WonkelDee I think it was implied that he either transformed into or combined with the smoke monster. We never found out if there was still part of him from before.
@@stellarwind1946 No he became the smoke monster when Jacob threw him in the light source river. As their mother explained, every person has a little bit of light inside them, but they always want more, and if they try to take it, the light will go out. The absent of light is darkness. And that's what happened to MIB. Some of his light was basically returned to the source, and without it, he has darkness within him from the lack of light. The light itself is basically the exotic matter responsible for the essence of existence. More or less light determines your nature in the universe.
The more light you have, the more powerful you are to alter reality around you to your wishes (which is why Jacob can do some supernatural things). The base level of the universe is a lack of light altogether, which isn't actually nothing, but rather, some twisted version of reality that is lifeless and full of black smoke that isn't technically sentient, but just a force of its own, and the whole base level of existence without the light is just an entire universe filled with black smoke. Since their mother made them unable to harm each other, technically Jacob could not kill MIB, but since Jacob knocked him unconscious (which would have otherwise killed him) and MIB ended up getting sucked into the light, MIB could not die, but also lost some of that light, altering his nature.
The light itself could be said to be something that modulates universal constants and provides what the universe itself needs to exist at all. It must be something that effectively permeates the entire universe all at once, instantly, faster than light, radiating out to create the entire universe. Since it is constantly radiating its energy, if it goes out, the universe also goes out like a light switch, since the light is the only thing keeping back the darkness. But like shadows in a lit room, the MIB is able to exist parallel to the light that radiates and otherwise pushes back the darkness, like some multi dimensional aspect.
The light itself cannot be taken, but trying to take it can put the light out. Basically their proximity to the light allows them to get extra amounts of it, or the mother found a way to imbue more light into Jacob and MIB. Perhaps previously it could be taken, but since men will keep taking it, they'd eventually exhaust it, causing the collapse of the universe. So even though the mother is dead, her wishes clearly still have power, which is why Jacob could not kill MIB. She just never foresaw how that will would affect things in that scenario where he was thrown into the light but couldn't die. In essence, anyone going into the light becomes a smoke monster, or dies instantly but degrades the light, but since Jacob could not harm MIB, the light could not allow MIB to die.
So Jacob can for example, give someone a cup of water, "bless" it with his wish, (like with immortality for Richard), and have them drink it. The same goes with the healing pools in the temple.
What is also hinted is that since the light has been degraded by men trying to take it before, our base reality may have been even greater than we know it, where the reality like how Jacob experiences it, might have been the base reality for everyone, where no one dies, where people can will thing into existence, and a civilization was built on it. We may only ever die because the light itself was degraded severely in some previous event before their mother became its protector.
That's just one way to look at it. But the actual reality of the light, when you take Jacobs wine bottle analogy into consideration, is the base universe is what it is, but the lights placement is like covering a black hole. It's a cork over a bottle, where the opening to that bottle is where the darkness actually resides, like some other universe connected to ours that is being held back, but would consume our universe if it was able to get through, and the light is the doorway blocking that darkness. MIB essentially passed through that barrier and brought back some of the darkness with him. So if you imagine the big bang, where everything was darkness, and then some particle magically appears into existence from what we call the big bang, causing the universe to form. Which essentially makes the light the exact center of the universe, where the big bang happened. But even though it added something, nothing was also still there, waiting on the other side. It's like a ying yang wormhole, where big bang happened on one side, but the "darkness" was all condensed to the other side, folded in on itself, and trapped by the light, like wine in a corked bottle. They are inexorably linked, but messing with it can eventually cause the balance to be thrown off, where rather than having light as the primary thing, darkness becomes the primary thing.
So basically the whole thing is about the true nature of our universe, simplified down to two elements: light and dark, existence and non existence. Some ancient society discovered these truths a long long time ago, much longer ago than we probably realize, to the point that even in MIB's mother's time, it was already well known what the light was, and who knows how long she was actually protecting the light. She could have been there for millions of years, or just one of the many people the role was passed down to, meaning whole modern civilizations could have risen and fallen many times over. She explains everything in a simplistic manner, but she does so like she is actually very scientifically aware, like she came from a civilization just as advanced, or possible even more advanced than today. But keeping the explanations simple allows them to be easily passed down and understood, regardless of the era of development humans are at, whether they're from an advanced civilization that has risen, or from one that has fallen later. So it hints that she is very much from a very advanced civilization and has seen the rise and fall of mankind's civilizations over and over again.
This is from Ab Aeterno, genius.
@Rude666 I'm aware of that...and admittedly, I'm bad at guessing people's ages, but from my perception, the character of Jacob looks like he's only in his mid-thirties.
Yes. A comment made on the MAIN scene in the episode : Across the Sea, was made BEFORE Across the Sea was aired.
Nice.
I remember watching this for the first time and thought MiB turned back into himself in present day. Lols
I always wondered why Jacob couldn't just simply let MiB leave the island? Was it because he's the Smoke Monster and would thus be a risk to the world? If so then why couldn't he just find a way to get rid of all his smoke powers (Jack did it) and then let him leave? Seriously for a enlightened mystic that everyone worships, he seems pretty arrogant here.
Ever wonder if the "smoke monster" was ever his brother?
That's exactly what I thought.
He was smoke monster.
If he was leave he was able to kill the all people in the world
Jacob didn't know how to do what Jack did. He even said in response to Jack asking if it's possible to kill him "I hope so"
Best scene in the whole show aside from the scene with Ben and Charles
@eternalgarnet I wouldn't call them best friends, more like brothers. Jacob is like the older brother, fond of the younger but aware of his childish hot-headness, while MiB is the youngest, always wanting to replace the older brother.
In fact, considering the story about MiB's mother, I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be not a metaphor, but actually true.
@TheDeidaraMaria Hard to explain but in an earlier scene Jacob described MiB as Evil,Darkness and Malevolence that'd spread if got out
Jacob talks to Richard ab aterno
Where's the money Lewbowski?!
and thats why jacob said no when mib asked him ''you expect an appologie becouse of me wanna kill you?'' becouse jacob kaind of axcidently killed mib
Such a waste of a good wine.
but he is arrogant. he is a human like everyone else.
Mocking him with the bottle. And he also left the island numerous times. Jacob really wasn't a good dude. Lol
2 Best characters on TV
0:44 - Jacobs brother here sounds like Nigel Farage.
What a view...
There is a guy from Sweden that looks JUST LIKE Jacob. He even acts like him IM am not jokeing people REALLY. O__O
Name?
good talk to evil is epic lol
zaandarbrow jacob isn't a good person, neither is mib pure evil
@eternalgarnet Still, MiB does the same thing that he said Caesar did: he calls people he doesn't like 'friends'. He even did it with Seamus a few episodes back. And "old friend", as Jacob put it, can mean a lot of things
Showing Satan crashing the glass firmament
I watched the whole thing when it was on, and I'm still a bit fuzzy on it: why was MiB such a threat to leave? Jacob was caretaker of the island, and he'd killed/made his brother into the smoke monster. But his brother wasn't evil, he just wasn't fanatical the same way they were raised. He still was reverent and mystified by the island, til their mom killed his crew. And now he just wants to leave - why would that be bad?
He is bound to the Island. Jacob isn't really preventing him from leaving. It's impossible for him to leave as long as the Source in the Island exists. The only way for him to leave is to "turn off" the light. Unfortunately, a piece of that light exists in every person, and extends to places all over the planet. So him leaving isn't really a big deal, but the process in which allows him to leave would essentially destroy the planet and everyone on it.
Was that the SAME bottle that Mother used to make Jacob the Island's protector. Was it then a message to Smokey as MiB? That I know what YOU really ARE and you're never getting off this Island.
@Guffchard You do realize that comment is older than "Across the Sea".
So it was all just a family feud? Jacob doesn't want his brothert to see the world and so his brother is deemed evil?
His brother is literally a Smoke Monster who hated human beings, how'd you think that would go?
@@kyle1137 His brother was consumed by the smoke monster
@@WonkelDee his brother become the smoke monster
@@SigalDa I don’t think so. The smoke monster took the form of his brother but i don’t think it was actually him.
@@WonkelDeeno. The smoke monster isn't an entity in itself. You become it when you try to enter the Source.
so why Jacob doesn't want MiB to leave the island
Er, that's a two-year-old comment made before Across the Sea was aired.
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why won't he let him leave?
This was the final good Lost moment bar the last thirty second of the entire series.
ur wrong :P
@@eddyesdras Agreed. The interactions between Jocob and MIB were obvious. The last scene had far more emotional impact.
0:44 - jacobs brother sounds here lke Nigel Farage.
That's why he can't - MiB was a ghost that born in antimatter or dark energy (that DHARMA tried to find) - his body died (caves;"Adam and Eve") - he was Black Smoke always after Jacob threw him into the Heart - but makes his own look
yummy wine
what would've been so bad if he left?
MIB is the source of all evil, so if he had left the would have turned to a chaos..!
poetico
I don't think smokey was ever really Jacob's brother. The cave isn't just the source, it's also a prison (for smokey). Smokey can't get out, unless someone else takes his place. Smokey is just mimicking MIB to f with Jacob.
No. The smoke monster is just disembodied consciousness of one who tries to enter the Source directly. Mother was also a smoke monster. Check out Lost Explained for more details.
I really don't blame him for wanting to leave. If Jacob had let him leave he might not have tried to kill him.
He was a smoke monster, can't let him leave
@silkcorset they are only 4 years in age difference in real life.
@xoxojollyy rofl but dude his 100 % like jacob. he even offerd me a subway durring our lunch break. twin? xD
I thought it was hysterical how these twins, one, don't look anything alike (even most fraternal twins bear some resemblance to one another) and two, look about twenty years apart in age.
I find no reason why Jacob did not let Mib leave the island.. all that Mib ever did, including all the killings, was in order to leave the island, you would probably have done the same in his shoes.. if someone has a good explanation as to why Mib was evil, pls post it.. and pls don't bs me about the wine in the bottle
Yeah, a very gray area. But I would say the man in black is not jacobs human brother. As you know he seems to be able to take people's thoughts and memories...so what is he?........evil trying to escape?.
He can't conveniently fly away over
But if Jacob let's him go. He would have to shut off that light to make him mortal.
And if he shut off that light there is no more good.
I refer to the ending when he but the lid back on the light came back.
The same bright light that poured out of the church doors.
I can only assume there would no longer be any light at the end of the tunnel if he is released.
@@easterbeast843 I know Mib is not Jacobs brother.. the writters dont give us any explanation about the light and the darkness, its the same thing as with the wine in the bottle.. and you are wrong, MIB could leave the island , could fly over with the Ajira plane after Jacobs death, but "it has to be together" with all the candidates...or he could just leave after he would have killed all the candidates.. instead he took a shortcut after Jack was the the new protector..he chose not to wait any longer for a plot to kill Jack, but instead took a shortcut to destroy the island using Desmond and leave afterwords..and yes, you are right, he could have left if Jacob allowed him to leave somehow.. but I don't think that somehow involved Desmond cause Jacob could have let MIb leave way before Desmond got to the island.. I belive we should just trust Jacob that MIB was evil
@@catac83 mib couldn't leave the island. That's pretty much why he did what he did.
He didn't fly anywhere.
They did stick him in LA but that was a writing issue..
Oh...and mib can't kill candidates.
@@catac83 actually mib needed everyone together so he could have them all together to die . He needed them to die so jacab can't be replaced
But he could not directly kill them himself.
Smokey the result of MiB's consciousness getting fused with the energy in the Source of the Island. The entity isn't entirely Jacob's brother's disembodied consciousness, but part of whatever energy makes the Island a place where Jacob can see the future, look at the lives of those FAR OFF in distant places, where time travel is possible, where paralysis gets reversed, where cancers get cured, where dead people can be seen and can communicate with the living etc. This entity now carrying Jacob's brother's disdain for humanity (they come, they fight, the corrupt, they destroy) and his pathological need to leave the Island. But this energy is bound to the Source and the Island. It can't leave. Jacob protects the Source and as result the Island. The entity wants to kill Jacob so it can destroy the Island and leave. Destroying the Island means ending all life. The Light at the Source is connected to the Light in every person (per "Mother's" description of the Light to young Jacob and MiB). If the light goes out here, it goes out everywhere.
The entity having absorbed Jacob's brother's consciousness knows this, but doesn't care. It feels itself to be an individual wanting to "break free" of the prison that it perceives the Island as. And so, it ruthlessly and mercilessly kills anyone who comes to the Island, or manipulates people by impersonating the dead into killing each other. It kills without regard for innocence like it did the people in the temple, the pilot (Seth Rich), and Rousseau's team, and very likely the people on the Ajira flight (it told Richard they have to do something about those Ajira passengers). That alone is evil. Evil because it kills simply to achieve its ends. None of those people who came to Island had anything to do with its "captivity". And yet, it killed them or orchestrated their deaths. That's what makes it Evil.
Also, the entity ONLY perceives itself as being "captive" but truly it was NEVER NOT part of the Light in the Source...it merely "thinks" it is a separate entity. That's why the Light is less bright after the events in Across the Sea. A portion of the Light now exists as Smokey who thinks he is Jacob's brother. We see it take on characteristics of others he impersonates (Christian, Yemi, Locke). It harbors a very negative view of humanity and has no compunction about killing people. That's Evil!
what a view '
Suuuuure.
Nonetheless - you're wrong.