Master Tapes Mystery - The Beatles US Capitol Mono Reissues (Episode 191)

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  • Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024

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  • @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
    @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion  2 месяца назад +5

    At the time I recorded this video, I had not heard that Kevin Reeves is the mastering engineer for these. This makes perfect sense as he appears to be a Universal Music Group house mastering engineer (they distribute The Beatles).
    Although his profile shows he is still at Sterling Sound in NY (since 2011), he does not show up on their current roster of engineers on their website. He possibly did some work with/for them and didn’t adjust his profile.

    • @ronmartin4212
      @ronmartin4212 2 месяца назад

      I want to turn Kevin on to the Capiphone project.

  • @LPS-R-US
    @LPS-R-US 2 месяца назад +3

    Nice presentation as always. And I think we know already new Beatles releases will never cease.

  • @RobertFithen
    @RobertFithen 2 месяца назад +3

    The count-in that Ted Jensen is most likely talking about is the intro to "I'm Looking Through You" from "Rubber Soul". There was a controversy on the initial release of "Capitol Albums Vol. 2" set where Capitol was "caught" simply folding down the stereo mixes to mono and not using the true mono mixes. This resulted in the mono "I'm Looking Through You" having the false start that was previously only on the US stereo version. Later, they re-released the CD set with supposedly "true" mono mixes. There were reportedly other less-obvious variances in the mixes that Beatles' fans noticed causing the re-release.

    • @amb2745
      @amb2745 2 месяца назад +1

      I have the Rubber Soul CD with the incorrect mixes. I had heard about this error on the part of Capitol years ago, and decided to check out my Rubber Soul CD. Sure enough, I had the incorrect mix of Rubber Soul. At one time, Capitol Records were advertising that they would replace the incorrect Rubber Soul CD with a corrected Rubber Soul CD. Just mail in the wrong CD, and you will get the right one according to Capitol.

  • @mr.george7687
    @mr.george7687 2 месяца назад +7

    Waiting for the vinyl reissue of Yesterday & Today in the Butcher cover!

    • @davidbrees8655
      @davidbrees8655 2 месяца назад +1

      I found it strange they wouldn't include that in this new collection

    • @markwinters3079
      @markwinters3079 Месяц назад

      @@davidbrees8655It’s just for 1964.

    • @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
      @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion  Месяц назад

      @@markwinters3079 yes Beatles 65 was released Dec 1964 so it snuck in

  • @mikayelabazyan
    @mikayelabazyan 2 месяца назад +2

    Since your copies of "The Capitol Albums" are sealed and have stickers, you can check the catalog number ending on the Volume 2. If the yellow sticker on that box contains SK1 on the end of the catalog number, yours is the corrected version, with true mono versions. Otherwise, the version without SK1 has fold-down mono versions derived from the stereo versions. Usually, when the sticker is removed, buyers ask sellers to compare the beginning of the mono vs. stereo version of I'm "Looking Through You". If the former does not have the double false start that is there on the stereo version, the pressing is correct, and if the versions are identical, then the mono version is a fold-down (incorrect) one.

    • @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
      @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion  2 месяца назад +1

      @@mikayelabazyan thanks!! I do not see SK1 on the sticker so I may have the Fold Down version…need to seek out the SK1

  • @robbiedetroitstigermanviny8883
    @robbiedetroitstigermanviny8883 2 месяца назад +2

    I've already pre-ordered everything including the box set and Meet The Beatles Blue Vinyl. Great Video!

  • @JazzRonin45
    @JazzRonin45 2 месяца назад +1

    I hope they will reissue/re-release (with current sound clarity technology) the Beatles Capitol Albums Boxset CD released back in 2004 based on the Capitol Records master of Dave Dexter Jr. I liked that more than than the 2014 Beatles US Albums CD boxset. Every CD includes both clos to the original 1960s Stereo and the Mono mix versions.

  • @kev5621
    @kev5621 2 месяца назад +2

    Great stuff. The hi hat intro is from the German version of with the Beatles. The original us mono mixes were fold downs themselves, so there are no true mono us tapes. I have pre ordered the box and can’t wait

    • @thechuckster6838
      @thechuckster6838 2 месяца назад +1

      That's not entirely true. Beatles second album uses discrete mono mixes on most of that record, as does Something New and Beatles 65, except for the reverb drenched track which are fold downs of the fake stereo tracks. Beatles Story never had a discrete mono mix.

    • @tuckertastictk
      @tuckertastictk 2 месяца назад

      @@thechuckster6838 I feel fine and she’s a woman are actual mono mixes. Capitol made duophonic versions of those for the stereo album. If you compare the two, the Stereo sounds worse than the mono.

    • @thechuckster6838
      @thechuckster6838 2 месяца назад

      @@tuckertastictk Agree

    • @jnagarya519
      @jnagarya519 День назад

      here we go with jargon from a person who does actually know what the correct definitions f the words are.
      All of this BS began with demands that the first four -- UK -- LPs be released in "stereo". That simply wasn't how it was done. That there were two tracks was to make it easy to correct errors in one or the other or both of the two. THEN the two tracks were mixed as MON, because that was all along the goal, because MONO as what MARKET, and MONO was the promotional medium: RADIO.
      They were not "fold-downs"; they were premixed-MONO, NOT "stereo fold-downs".

  • @styles8007
    @styles8007 2 месяца назад

    I got my box set ordered from JPC out of Germany. About $40.00 cheaper than here in the US. Thanks for the post. Outstanding information.

  • @LanceHall
    @LanceHall День назад +1

    Surely you can't be suggesting they did NEW stereo to mono fold downs. I seriously doubt that.

  • @MsTimothyswan
    @MsTimothyswan 2 месяца назад

    If I actually had a turntable again and also had the option to personally select just one of these reissues, then the one title that I would choose would probably have to be none other than The Beatles' Second Album. Reason being is that this particular release has the unique distinction of perfectly combining original compositions along with a very good number of cover tunes, thus creating the finest album of pure rock and roll ever released by the Beatles.

  • @ronmartin4212
    @ronmartin4212 Месяц назад

    East Iris studios in Nashville is doing the lathe cuttings.

  • @revelry1969
    @revelry1969 2 месяца назад +1

    I think they are going to do a second box with the other capitol ones including “Help!” Which they should do

  • @mattgregory971
    @mattgregory971 2 месяца назад

    Great video Dave. I have the Mono albums I bought 6 years ago. They are clean and sound good. I am going to buy Beatles 65 and the second album. Too see how they sound. Other wise that is pretty much it. Have a good one! Dave.

  • @ButcherGrindslam
    @ButcherGrindslam 2 месяца назад +1

    November 22 1963 - "With The Beatles" was released in UK and it's Friday this year, so nothing wrong here. Now Friday is the main day for music releases.

    • @chrisr1733
      @chrisr1733 2 месяца назад

      That's the date Kennedy was murdered, not 1964.

    • @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
      @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion  Месяц назад

      @@ButcherGrindslam they planned that back in 1963, so now there are two conspiracy theories for that date!!

  • @robertstoddard8027
    @robertstoddard8027 2 месяца назад

    I bought 5 records of this set individually (instead of the box set) on The Beatles Official Store. They charged $8 per record for shipping - total of $40 for 5 records - which is crazy and outrageous. It really pissed me off!

  • @VillainDave
    @VillainDave 2 месяца назад

    I actually pre ordered the box then came to my senses and cancelled that and pre ordered Meet the Beatles, Second album, Something New and 65. That would be cool

  • @doodahdavesrecords4319
    @doodahdavesrecords4319 2 месяца назад

    I will shop for OG just got let it be early beatles hey Jude and white album loving those capitol stereo US releases

  • @mahabkhatib9377
    @mahabkhatib9377 2 месяца назад

    Mike from The ‘In’ Groove shared more information on who’s mastering this box. I preordered one.

  • @djchancla2451
    @djchancla2451 2 месяца назад

    I already have my box set on preorder

  • @michaelwas8549
    @michaelwas8549 2 месяца назад

    I haven't bought any of the cash grab stuff this company likes to put out from time to time. I did buy the 2014 Mono vinyl box set, in fact I have a couple of sets, and they sound great. As far as this set goes, these were the albums I was buying when I was 12 yrs. old and just discovering Beatlemania so I guess they have some sentimental value. I decided to spring for the box set. I guess I'm going to revisit my youth in November. Looking forward.

  • @bobbygiguere8362
    @bobbygiguere8362 2 месяца назад

    It was my understanding that Capital specifically David Dexter didn’t want the mono masters just the stereo versions. Capital then made mono versions from the stereo tapes they got. So I would think this is what it’s always been from the Capital recordings.

    • @tuckertastictk
      @tuckertastictk 2 месяца назад

      That was only for Meet The Beatles. Later albums used the true mono tapes, with a few exceptions here and there.

  • @johngalt5411
    @johngalt5411 2 месяца назад

    I’m all in but only because I was able to secure a copy from Amazon Germany which initially had the box listed for just over a couple hundred shipped to the States.

  • @davepounds8924
    @davepounds8924 2 месяца назад

    I am happy that they are releasing this box! I grew up listening to the Capitol recordings and glad they are back on vinyl! Sounds like these recordings aren’t your cup of tea

    • @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
      @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion  2 месяца назад

      @@davepounds8924 well I’m thinking they may have the same over reverb effect and compression so I’m skeptical but I am anxious to hear what others say once they’re out!

    • @ianz9916
      @ianz9916 2 месяца назад

      @@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion Having seen a video of Kevin Reeves talking about this set, he seems to imply that there will not be the compression that was on the original releases as that was due to the limitations of 1960s equipment. The bass and treble are, supposedly, both going to be a vast improvement, but we shall see.

  • @jlcougilljr
    @jlcougilljr 2 месяца назад +4

    Hi Dave, i'm NOT getting it, they should have just repressed the The Beatles In Mono box set because that was never done in the quantity it should have been done.

  • @CraiginOhioUSA
    @CraiginOhioUSA 2 месяца назад +1

    I have HAD it.
    I'm old. I need the Rubber Soul box, and that series to continue while Im still alive.
    I was highly annoyed to endure a Red & Blue revival, instead of Rubber Soul. But I bought them.
    Now...I'm annoyed, and unwilling to buy this new set.
    I'm all for fresh pressings. But the quality of the new records is already slipping. Vinyl is getting too popular again, and the pressing plants can't keep up with the volume. The quality is slipping. If the records were $15 or $20...but now they are $30. For a record that may or may not have issues.
    For multiple reasons.... it is NO to this project.
    The whole point of any reissue of the US versions is nostalgia. You will not get accurate nostalgia with whatever this new project it. If you want to experience the US Beatles sensation just like it happened, buy some of the millions of original albums.
    I'd sooner buy a repressing of Yoko's "Fly" album. I might add: I love Yoko. "Kiss Kiss Kiss" was one of the most definitive tracks of the 1980s. Look it up.

  • @Billthemusicman
    @Billthemusicman 2 месяца назад

    this answered a lot of what i was questioning regarding the 2004/06 cd capitol releases. Thank you for exploring this, as those cd sets really do sound good, and have of course both stereo and mono mixes. Really makes it tough to consider most of these if you have those 04/06 sets, and have the mono vinyl box set. also a link to mastering info: ruclips.net/video/rxwLDYXVKiw/видео.html

  • @Wildknaap
    @Wildknaap 2 месяца назад +1

    Cannot understand why one would mix stereo to mono. What is Apple trying to accomplish here?

  • @Nymetssuck02134
    @Nymetssuck02134 Месяц назад

    They really need to fix certain songs such as she loves you……the tapes are so bad you can hear the edits and splices. The new stereo version should be used as it was repaired quite nicely, add Dave Dexter’s treatments (which are all noted) to them and you have the best version of that mix for the US market.

  • @yanks1fan09
    @yanks1fan09 2 месяца назад

    I saw a video with Kevin Reeves as the Mastering Engineer on this one. I don't think they will be half speed mastered.

    • @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
      @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion  2 месяца назад +1

      @@yanks1fan09 thanks for that info. Need to look up Kevin Reeves. I wonder if he is also cutting the lacquer?

    • @yanks1fan09
      @yanks1fan09 2 месяца назад

      @@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion I am not sure but the video does show him working with original master tapes which he had a stack of for this.

  • @trackingangle929
    @trackingangle929 Месяц назад

    His recent work has been atrocious. Still there’s hope…

  • @thomasrobinson182
    @thomasrobinson182 2 месяца назад

    I'm waiting for the eventual AI remixed albums.

  • @vivlund
    @vivlund 2 месяца назад

    I wasn’t going to get the box set because I honestly was never that interested in the mono versions. The stereo versions were what I was used to hearing from childhood on. But my husband actually wants to hear what they sound like more than me, so he bought the set. I bet he never plays them 😂 😢

    • @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
      @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion  2 месяца назад +1

      @@vivlund hi Vivian, they probably will sound like they did on AM radio “back in the day”… take care

  • @R3TR0R4V3
    @R3TR0R4V3 2 месяца назад

    I want the boxset, but I am not paying $300.. That's absolutely ridiculous! The additional $120 value is just not there. If there was a book or other albums, sure, but not as-is.
    It's shame that Kevin was picked to cut lacquers and whatnot.. He does žnot_ have a reputation for cutting good sounding records. Hopefully he redeems himself this time around.
    They really ought to reissue the rest of the 60's US albums too, especially a butcher cover Yesterday and Today.. It would be a homerun! 👍

  • @aifaimusiccollections
    @aifaimusiccollections 2 месяца назад

    Mystery? What mystery? Kevin Reeves on the 2024 US Mono Beatles box set was posted on youtube 7 days ago and All You Need To Know About The New Beatles Capitol Vinyl Mono... by Parlogram was posted 5 days ago, so, both before this video. Those two have all the relevant information about this release.

  • @georgeprice4212
    @georgeprice4212 2 месяца назад

    Supposedly, the Mono Capitol albums are Analog masters.

  • @TomRoberts-ld7ug
    @TomRoberts-ld7ug 2 месяца назад

    What is your source of information that the entire box will be stereo fold downs?

    • @markwinters3079
      @markwinters3079 Месяц назад

      @@TomRoberts-ld7ug That’s what I am wondering. Everything I have seen is that the albums will be from the original Capitol masters. THOSE have songs on them that are indeed fold downs, but others are genuine mono mixes. A lot of them at that time had echo and reverb added to them to punch them up for the US market. The 2004 and 2006 CDs are good examples. See Parlogram Auctions RUclips channel for a good overview of how the originals were put together.

  • @automatedelectronics6062
    @automatedelectronics6062 2 месяца назад

    What about the 2014 CD boxed set of of "The Beatles U.S. Albums" ? This covers the full gamut of U.S. Capitol releases in both stereo and mono. Suspiciously missing is "Magical Mystery Tour" which Capitol created. The "Hey Jude" album was only in stereo, but that was the point of the album in the first place. "The Beatles Story" was also only in stereo and not available separately. Probably because they would have to included more CD's in the box. This boxed set was reportedly made from the 2009 re-masters, not from the original Capito masters.
    The 2004 and 2006 CD releases of "The Capitol Albums" is probably the closest we will get to a modern version of the Capitol albums which even included the Capitol "Duophonic" versions of some of the songs, like "I Want To Hold Your Hand". If that had been folded down to mono from stereo, it would have stuck out like a sore thumb. Also suspiciously missing is "Magical Mystery Tour". Oh, and there was supposedly something wrong with one of the CD's, because the wrong version of a song was used. If you sent your CD back to Capitol they would have returned the correct version. I didn't do it as I wanted to keep the original CD. I think I bought another whole set which has the corrected CD in it. I believe it is in my sealed record and CD collection.
    Nope. This new boxed set is not for me either and I will NOT be buying it. I absolutely hate mono anything. $300.? Outrageous. I paid slightly less than that for one of my "Beatles In Mono" LP boxed sets.

    • @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
      @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion  2 месяца назад

      @@automatedelectronics6062 I must say that the 2014 version totally slipped my mind as I don’t think I ever saw it for sale! Looking at it now, it looks like several Sterling mastering engineers and Shawn McGee were engaged on this project. Seems Hey Jude and The Beatles Story were only stereo but all others included mono. Thanks for this additional info!

    • @ianz9916
      @ianz9916 2 месяца назад

      There was no point in putting in Magical Mystery Tour because EMI had already adopted it as canon and, as such, had already released it in 2009.

    • @amb2745
      @amb2745 2 месяца назад

      For the most part, that is true, but there are also tracks from the U.S. Capitol albums that were left on the 2014 CD's. I'm Looking Through You, with the false start, Day Tripper, with the single guitar intro. That version of Day Tripper is the first time on CD that it was available.

    • @automatedelectronics6062
      @automatedelectronics6062 2 месяца назад

      @@amb2745 Wasn't that the point of the 2014 CD boxed set to leave on the tracks from the U.S. Capitol albums?

    • @amb2745
      @amb2745 2 месяца назад

      @@automatedelectronics6062 Having the unique mixes kept on these CD's was a bonus. As I said, the Day Trippper mix used on Yesterday...And Today hadn't been released on CD until 2014. I don't know what was behind making that decision of leaving unique tracks on the CD box set. They could have went all UK mixes for this set, but decided in some instances not to.

  • @thechuckster6838
    @thechuckster6838 2 месяца назад +7

    Let me know when the stereo set comes out. Mono is like watching a color movie in black and white. Besides, I have both Capitol Albums box sets. And no, they are not all fold downs. The only fold down albums are Meet the Beatles, Early Beatles and the Beatles story. All my loving does not have a count in on either mono or stereo on the US albums.

    • @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
      @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion  2 месяца назад +1

      @@thechuckster6838 I’m not a huge mono fan myself, but the UKs sound much better than US which were really for AM radio. Yes, the All My Loving count is in that Liverpool boxset I showed. That’s a great set for around $80-$100USD with 8 lps and songs in chronological order as recorded!

    • @ianz9916
      @ianz9916 2 месяца назад +4

      It really depends what mono records you listen to. The UK mono releases are for more dynamic than the stereo ones and have that energy that epitomises the 1960s. The stereo versions, apart from the weird separation of vocals and instruments, are a far less punchy experience, like the sharp edges have all been smoothed out.

    • @thechuckster6838
      @thechuckster6838 2 месяца назад

      @@ianz9916 There is only so much you can do with two track recording. That's what The Beatles used for their first two albums. Upon mixing, there is only so much you can do to create a stereo mix. I personally love those early stereo mixes, and as a musicians it allowed me to totally shut off the vocals for more in depth listening and learning. There is nothing wrong with those stereo mixes. In fact, there are new bands starting to mix in that style again. Listen to the Beatophonics from Sweden, the entire album is mixed in that style and it sounds great. Mono in general, is more punchy because of the natures of mono having bass on both channels. However, The Beatles mono was terrible in the sense that they over compressed the mono to make it more radio friendly and when played on a quality system, it makes you want to bang your head against the wall. There are UK mono mixes that sound incredible, but give me stereo any day.

    • @Slappyhappychappy
      @Slappyhappychappy 2 месяца назад

      Interesting take
      I prefer the Beatles in mono for many albums, I like the 3D sound of a great mono master on a system that is set up for it 😊

    • @thechuckster6838
      @thechuckster6838 2 месяца назад

      @@Slappyhappychappy There is no such thing as 3D in mono. It's impossible. However, depth is a whole different thing.

  • @jnagarya519
    @jnagarya519 День назад

    The original recordings were NOT "stereo". FROM THE OUTSET the goal was MONO -- because that was the MARKET and the promotional medium: MONO RADIO.
    The original two-track recordings were all vocals on one track and all music on the other track. The reason was so one could most easily correct errors in on or the other. Read George Martin's _All You Need is EARS_ for the technical facts. As example, the FIRST LP recorded in stereo was "Help!"
    Ever wonder why "The Beatles" were present for the MONO mixes, but not the "stereo," and why John Lennon encouraged hearing "Sgt. Pepper's" in MONO?
    There's a lot of talk about jargon -- "fold-downs" and "panning" etc. by people who don't get the definitions of the terms right.
    And example is in your email: MASTERING is NOT the same as MIXING.

  • @currykevuk
    @currykevuk 2 месяца назад

    "They are amongst us" It is known that a few (mostly males from the US of A) were born with an extra chromosome. This disabling gene means they MUST purchase every Beatles release on vinyl. I do feel your pain of infatuation!
    They ARE amongst us!

  • @rixvspinner
    @rixvspinner 2 месяца назад

    I won't be enticed to spend on any reissues. Used vinyl maybe, but unlikely any reissues- especially this inferior sound Beatles box mono set.

  • @marcbolan1818
    @marcbolan1818 2 месяца назад

    Pass

  • @thomaslytle5519
    @thomaslytle5519 2 месяца назад

    Interesting… Not that ANY Capitol Beatles album could Ever sound good anyway… but Andrew @ Parlogram says that the 2004 long box cd sets Were, in fact just fold downs of the stereo mixes… And, he says these vinyl releases will be the same. Andrew is extremely knowledgeable of all things Beatles, so I believe him. Either way, I’ll stick with my UK Collection since those will Always wipe the floor with the Capitol pressings

  • @rixvspinner
    @rixvspinner 2 месяца назад

    VC can pitch this set all they want, I'm not buying it since the sound quality is inferior to the UK mono Beatles box set. There is no comparison so all the hype and fomo won't work for me. The original N.A. pressing of this small box set are superior in sound as well. Literally no reason to buy this new box set unless for some reason, flippers think it will go up in value. It won't. Even the hard core collector, especially in this economy has to ask why am I buying something again when there is no sonic improvement?

    • @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
      @SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion  2 месяца назад

      It could never beat the UK as those were pure music as intended, not hyped up post production for AM radio.

  • @bilguana11
    @bilguana11 23 дня назад

    I'm skipping this cash grab.

  • @manolokonosko594
    @manolokonosko594 2 месяца назад +2

    CRAPIFOOL CASH GRAB