A store here in Denmark has mistakenly put two of the 4070 msi laptops up on their website, as if they're for sale already(they're still there). The "MSI Vector GP77 17.3" RTX 4070" costs $3437 and the "MSI Stealth 17 Studio 17.3" RTX 4070" costs $4200. The prices are truly getting insane
What? If XMG has theyr RTX 4090 Laptop for 3.800€ , and the RTX 4080 for 3.200€, how is posible RTX 4070 for 4.200?? I think it was an error , otherwise it makes no sense!
Jarrod, please do a "Most quiet among powerful laptops" competition! Yeah, 24 cores + RTX 4090 is cool and all, but does it sound like a jet engine under full load?
@wegotdodgsonhere Yes, gaming laptops can and will be quiet if they have good cooling. That also applies to regular laptops. I have a laptop with a Ryzen 7 6800H without a dGPU (because the iGPU is already faster than GTX 1050 Ti for laptops), and for its small chassis, it has a very good cooling system which runs pretty quiet even in the most demanding games with an increased 50W TDP, which doesn't actually do anything as games usually need just 40-45W. And when I applied PTM7950 on the APU, I got 5C less temperatures compared to a brand new factory paste, which was already good, and 7C less with a combined CPU+iGPU workload. The way to reduce the fan noise is to use PTM7950 and good liquid thermal pads, and to also use a laptop cooling pad and/or reduce the TDP on CPU and GPU by around 5W to get them under 80C. PTM7950 in particular makes the heat transfer from CPU/GPU die onto the heatsink much better, and when the heatsink is hotter than with a stock paste, the fans do not need to work as hard to keep the CPU cool and to dump the heat from the heatsinks.
Pretty much all laptops are loud under full load. Sure, some are louder than others, but you'll rarely get something quiet under full load. The quietest currently would be the XMG/Eluktronics with the external water cooler because the fans on the laptop rarely need to ramp up.
Now that these laptops essentially have desktop CPUs at the highest end, and 175W+ powered GPUs, I am more interested to see how each manufacturer handles cooling, thermals, frequency boosts, and power draw. Pretty much how much performance they can get from these parts. Watching an LTT video on the Clevo (XMG) PE60, they mentioned fan noise "pitch" that is not mind numbingly annoying. While they have design targets, I feel that this gen they'll go above and beyond to cool these, and that'll come at the cost of a jet fan noise. In the fan noise test while having measurable data of "db" on noise, I'd like to hear your thoughts on whether or not it's tolerable.
@@NootNoot. Exactly. I think that there previous generation in which this almost happened (very similar CPUs for high-end mobile and desktop), but this is probably the first one where they are probably coming from the same assembly line with a different label (I'm oversimplifying of course).
@@bl4ckst0ne And overall bigger. I know that the main reason that thew new trend is replacing 16:9 screns by 16:10, but the 17" laptops are being replaced by 18", and the 15" are being replaced by 16". I think that the 14" laptops will mostly use Raptor Lake-H CPUs but previously they would get the same CPUs as the 15" laptops. Similarly, the GS66 gets replaced by the Stealth 16 Studio with a Raptor Lake-H, whereas previously the GE66 and GS66 both used Alder Lake-H CPUs. These laptops are larger in terms of area, and slightly thicker and heavier than the ones they are replacing. This allows a bit more airflow to cool these beasts. But they should still have trouble keeping them from throttling.
To me it’s gonna all go down to price, weight and overall size but especially which cpu offers the best performance at lower wattage like 35-55W last last gen I went 5800H/RTX3080 because it was smaller, lighter, cheaper and the 5800H was more efficient and performed better at low power than the Intel cpu giving the gpu full power without sacrificing much
I think screen sizes should get larger OR have them removeable for you to pic your size you want,so you could have say 15" for office work then get home and change it to a much larger size say 20".17" is not large enough really as I have a 17" laptop and putting it into high res the fonts have to be changed too which does not help.
Advanced Optimus? G-Sync? Razer and Asus Rog offer both, I don't think MSI offers either. At this price point I would expect all, so for me these are non-starters.
I have been using this product for more than 10 years, but the problem in particular has not been fixed, it is common for me to encounter hinge problems, so in 2022 I switch to the Legion brand. hopefully in the future they solve this problem
Fwiw, I bought a legion 7i in July 2021 and have been using it mostly as a dtr, open-close the screen 3-4 times a week. No shrieking, bulges, or anything resembling an abnormality about the hinges so far.
I have been using MSI GE66 RAIDER 2020 model since the last two years. I haven't faced any issue with my laptop. And no compromise in performance too. At least for the next 6 to 7 years, it is my personal computer.
Do all MSI's have weird hinge problems? Cause I broke my MSI laptop due to it sabotaging its own hinges and I've since moved over to a different brand. The GE78 looks really cool with that hinge design and speaker setup but if it really still is a problem then that's disappointing.
@@muizzsiddique You can buy the creator series laptops from MSI. They look more professional and more built quality than gaming series. Creator series are fully metal build.
@@WeallAreAdults just saw in scan i7 13700hx 32gb ddr5 2tb ssd 4080 is 3400£ the one with i9 13950hx 3600£. Also raider with flagship components i9 13980hx 4090 is £3800 so the gap between 4080 and 4090 is just £200 basically... What the heck? 😂😂
And good, no one gonna buy it, I have good day rate, but my work cost me a lot of nerves. 6k means 12 days of my work just for laptop, it’s not worth it anymore
Jarrod, the rhythm and consistency of your videos is soothing! I love your videos. Did you note that at time index 0:32 of this video the task manager window was showing speed of 0.75ghz? Why does that happen with this overpowered of laptop? It does so on my 12950HX Lenevo P16 gen1. Can get really slow sometimes even if I switch power mode to performance. it would be great if you can review that laptop.
The ONLY reason why im considering the GE78 is because where i live the breakers are already being pushed passed their limits. I currently have a 11800H / 3060 (130W) And i need something more capable.
I was hoping the gt 77 titan would have 4 nvme ssd slots with 4 fans and 11 heat pipes, but at least it has a 4k 120 hz mini led display that I been waiting for compared to measly displays with 250 nits and 450 nits that are too dim and finally 1,000 nits that should have been a standard for every laptop. On my Dell oled laptop, with sdr the colors pop, more saturated, and way brighter compared to hdr since hdr looks too bland, too dim looking and I was hoping that hdr would make the display brighter with all the colors more saturated that pop but it was a let down compared to sdr. I even had power savings off, night light off, manual brightness 100 percent and autobrightness turned off.
Starting to feel a peasant with my GE66 with 12700H + 3070 Ti. Will they always put 13900HX and up in the GE68/GE78, or will they make some versions with the 13700HX or 13850HX. I say this, because the 13900HX and up, are all i9 and pricier than the 12700H that they used on many models last year. Even the GE67 came with 12800HX, which is an i7 (not an i9) and the listing price is comparable to that of the 13850HX/13700HX.
@@HanmaHeiro Yes I am willing to spend for the absolute top this year.. The reason is that chips are so fast now that something can realistically last for 5 years now. I mean I truly believe mobile 4090 will be able to play games in 5 years still, and 13950HX will be able to do any task for many years to come. I am going from 3070 mobile and 11800h so it will be a big jump, so might as well go all the way. But there's, as far as I am concerned, must haves for that kind of money, and G-Sync is one of them. As you can see, more and more brands are going back to it, as the demand is there, but MSI are too stubborn to pay the license fee to enable it in bios. In a laptop, G-Sync works differently to a monitor with a dedicated chip. It is using typical VESA standard VRR and the only difference is that it uses Nvidia's proprietary driver to *control* the way that in built VRR works. But that driver is very special because it works with Vulkan, Opengl and Direct X AND in windowed or full screen mode, on any game. it also has LFC or low framerate compensation so it works at any frame rate. MSI are using VRR screens but refuse to enable advanced optimus/g-sync and it's purely because they don't want to pay the licensing fee to Nvidia. But IMO that is ridiculous for top of the range laptops to be such tight asses. The screens they use are literally ready with one bios update to be 100% g-sync compatible and they won't do it, for years now. So, in turn, for years now, they have lost my business. I play a ton of retro emulation and without g-sync it's a much inferior experience. You can't properly emulate old games where they have an odd FPS that is tied to screen refresh rate. The only way to do it is with g-sync/freesync. Then of course there's the issue of tearing in modern games.. You can often completely disable v-sync with a g-sync screen and have no tearing and ultra low input latency. Once you use it you can't go back. Now if the mux switch is not on, and the GPU is going through the intel driver, MSI laptops do support adaptive sync. But you lose performance and it ONLY works with Direct X 11 and 12 apps and usually only in full screen. Therefore it's the most inferior option of the lot between that and freesync and g-sync. Hence I just don't understand MSI. Why would any customer NOT want advanced optimus where you just change the GPU on the fly in real time without a reboot? Every laptop that is doing it is advertising it, so it's clear that MSI are saying FU to its customers once again and it's purely because of the license fee. Oh well. So disappointing for me anyway.
Hey jarrod, i wanted to now what do you think of the Gigabyte g5 KD, With the 3060. I saw that you have never talked about this PC and i was Just curious 'cause im thinking about buying a 800/900 euros laptop. Thanks for all of your videos from Italy!
Micro center is listing a GT77HX with a 13980 and 4090 mobile for $4700. That’s about $1800 more than my desktop that has a real 4090 in it. Prices are getting extreme…
MSI laptops NEVER disappoint. I had a GE76 with a 3060 and got a 3070ti lenovo legion because it was more portable. Im literally getting only 10 less fps in most games on my msi
Hello Jarrod, I’m from UK. Big thanks for your work. Really enjoy your videos with only necessary and useful information provided by you. Could you please help me with the choice as I’m stuck in between 2 options below and don’t know which option is better for my main home computer. Huge thanks in advance. MSI GE68 HX Raider 16" Gaming Laptop - Intel®️ Core™️ i7, RTX 4060, 1 TB SSD = £ 2 199 MSI Raider GE77HX 17.3" Gaming Laptop - Intel®️ Core™️ i9, RTX 3070 Ti, 1 TB SSD = £ 2 649
Thanks for the review. Do you thinks there’s a powerful enough power bank to be able to plug-in a laptop to game and that doesn’t damage the laptop battery?
This year I'm ready to exchange my MSI GS75 9SG for a new laptop with top intel CPU and GPU. I'm looking for a portable laptop for work (game dev) and gaming. So my candidates are Legion 7i Pro, MSI Rider GE78, Razor Blade 16. With my MSI I had a problem with the RGB keyboard (replaced the keyboard unit when some key lights started glitching). So what Is the most exciting model in your opinion? And WHY? The budget does not matter.
Looks good! what do you think of the Gigabyte AORUS 17H with 4080 and i7 13700H Jarrod? will the 13700H hold back the 4080? it's so much cheaper than the competition! is it worth the risk?
Nice video Jarrod. One question, Lenovo Legion 5 5800h rtx 3060 130w(2021) vs MSI GP66 Leopard i7 11UG 693IN rtx 3070(2021) which one would be the best purchase? I'm not much aware of MSI thermals on this one.
I'd go with the MSI. If I'm not mistaken, that 3070 gets the full power limit of 140W and has an 11800H, which is a better CPU for gaming than a 5800H.
Let me ask A quick question here?? A laptop version of Rtx 3080ti None maxque and a Rtx 4080 maxque graphics card which would be the bigger beast in terms of full performance?
The Most Critical about the MSI GE78 Raider is the 'Hinges' after seeing a lot of complains in the Internet with the GE76, it's what's hindering me to purchase. Specifications are in the top though.
I got a MSI lap from 2018 and it's a lemon. The pad for scrolling feels like sand paper, the DVD player no longer works and the graphics aren't very good compared to an Acer both set at 1080p. When I type it feels like I'm putting my hand on a stove top.
it was good for 1 or 2 monitors great for that, very powerful laptop.. I do multiboxing gaming on all sorts of stuff on bigger screens - lag fest - so it sucked for that. Gave up and got a Corsair Vengeance PC for what I need at least - $$$ RTX 4090 but it is 500-1000 more than that expensive laptop but holy moly it is a smoker!! the laptop is fast for a laptop - if you have 1 or 2 smaller displays , you are good.. for generic displays like spreadsheets or business it could easily drive 4 items as it comes.. it was a great laptop but just not good for me, and that's about it.@@John-us6cg
I’m about to pull the trigger on the GE78 but I’m also considering the Asus Strix Scar 16. Anyone got any tips. I can’t decide and as they are both about 4k machines it’s kind of a big decision
Hey, I was looking for a good laptop with a 144hz screen, 16gb of ram, a good processor and a graphics card that can run newer games at high settings. I would appreciate any suggestions.
Hello there, I've watched many of your videos thanks for your content, do you mind telling me what laptop would you buy for around $900 for light gaming and coding, I'm ready to pull the trigger but I'm just afraid about the quality control issues on laptops, I also can use your affiliate link to buy it. Thanks!
Hello Jared, i was looking through your reviews for fan noise and had a question, whats the ambient noise level?(with laptop turned off). And how far away the mic is?
MSI Raider GE77Hx 17.3" QHD 240Hz Gaming Laptop: Intel Core i7-12800HX RTX 3070 Ti 16GB DDR5 1TB NVMe SSD, Thunderbolt 4, USB-Type C, Cooler Boost 5, Win11 Pro: Dark Grey 12UHS-004 1,999.99 is this a bad price for this laptop?
Honestly? The GE78 is very ugly this year. If it was the 2022 look but with the new specs I would've probably get one. But I'll go with the Asus Strix Scar 18 this year. Maxed out specs, bigger screen, 3 fans, bigger air vents.. what's not to like. (except the power charging being on the left instead of the back but what can you do)
The deal breaker to me is the thermal metal thermal stuff, which cannot stay there statically when the laptop placed in an angle. Everything else is very fascinating this year for Scar 18 (no miniLED though)
@@junduan2288 you reckon it will slosh around? )) it’s a tiny layer pressed by a cooling plate on top. I cant imagine liquid metal to be like mercury ish )))
@@ShebanFPV This is not I reckon Sir. There are many Scar users reported this problem already. You can just simply google this problem with liquid metal.
Hello guys , My ASUS ROG STRIX SCAR has RTX 3070, Ryzen 9, 5000 series, and 32 gb ram with a FULL HD panel ! I'm planning to get an external monitor ( 1440p (QHD one) .it's this gonna affect my FPS when I'm playing games? Also, if the monitor has G-SYNC, It's gonna work with my laptop Who has the fallowing ports?: 1x HDMI 2.1 TMDS 1x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C support DisplayPort™ / power delivery / G-SYNC
@@osamamamdouh9888 I know that feeling bro.. hhahah Anyways, you could wait and then decide, maybe the RTX 4090 laptop is too high, but a good RTX 4080 will be much faster than any RTX 3080 laptop and the price could be not as high as we think (I hope so, at least hahaha)
Kinda disappointing to hear the Titan still has a 16:9 screen instead of 16:10. But having mini led kinda makes up for that I guess. Plus it has usb c charging. I think having that makes a lot more sense for a large laptop like that. Very curious to see how well they keep the new hardware cool.
I bought an MSI gaming laptop this year. Overheated out the box. Support was slow. Sent back in the end for full refund. First experiance and last with them.
Hey Jarrod , I was trying to undervolt my Asus Scar Strix SE but the laptop crushed many times so I decided to give up. Maybe can you help me and tell me the exact amount of mv I need to change . Tried to lower the Cpu core , cpu cache E and cpu cache P via thorttlestop but it didn’t went well
A store here in Denmark has mistakenly put two of the 4070 msi laptops up on their website, as if they're for sale already(they're still there). The "MSI Vector GP77 17.3" RTX 4070" costs $3437 and the "MSI Stealth 17 Studio 17.3" RTX 4070" costs $4200. The prices are truly getting insane
That made my eye hurt. Its insanely expensive.
Wow! Those prices are out of touch given global recession. Oh well, glad I don’t game anymore, so no need to get the most expensive hardware
really? 😂 Should be a mistake, there's no way pay 3500$ for a gp77 4070
What? If XMG has theyr RTX 4090 Laptop for 3.800€ , and the RTX 4080 for 3.200€, how is posible RTX 4070 for 4.200??
I think it was an error , otherwise it makes no sense!
@@Motero125R in europe taxes are big
Thanks Jarrod. More exciting reviews and tests are on the way. Can't wait for companies to start shipping this year's laptops asap.
Jarrod, please do a "Most quiet among powerful laptops" competition!
Yeah, 24 cores + RTX 4090 is cool and all, but does it sound like a jet engine under full load?
Worse than that
I sometimes wonder if it's worth jotting down all the info from his record to publish
@wegotdodgsonhere Yes, gaming laptops can and will be quiet if they have good cooling. That also applies to regular laptops. I have a laptop with a Ryzen 7 6800H without a dGPU (because the iGPU is already faster than GTX 1050 Ti for laptops), and for its small chassis, it has a very good cooling system which runs pretty quiet even in the most demanding games with an increased 50W TDP, which doesn't actually do anything as games usually need just 40-45W. And when I applied PTM7950 on the APU, I got 5C less temperatures compared to a brand new factory paste, which was already good, and 7C less with a combined CPU+iGPU workload.
The way to reduce the fan noise is to use PTM7950 and good liquid thermal pads, and to also use a laptop cooling pad and/or reduce the TDP on CPU and GPU by around 5W to get them under 80C. PTM7950 in particular makes the heat transfer from CPU/GPU die onto the heatsink much better, and when the heatsink is hotter than with a stock paste, the fans do not need to work as hard to keep the CPU cool and to dump the heat from the heatsinks.
Pretty much all laptops are loud under full load. Sure, some are louder than others, but you'll rarely get something quiet under full load. The quietest currently would be the XMG/Eluktronics with the external water cooler because the fans on the laptop rarely need to ramp up.
Now that these laptops essentially have desktop CPUs at the highest end, and 175W+ powered GPUs, I am more interested to see how each manufacturer handles cooling, thermals, frequency boosts, and power draw. Pretty much how much performance they can get from these parts.
Watching an LTT video on the Clevo (XMG) PE60, they mentioned fan noise "pitch" that is not mind numbingly annoying. While they have design targets, I feel that this gen they'll go above and beyond to cool these, and that'll come at the cost of a jet fan noise. In the fan noise test while having measurable data of "db" on noise, I'd like to hear your thoughts on whether or not it's tolerable.
The Raptor Lake-HX CPUs are literally the Desktop Raptor Lake-S with some tighter power limits.
@@pedroalbuquerquebs Haha, yes, that is what I mean by "essentially have desktop CPUs at the highest end". Same thing with AMD's Dragon Range CPUs.
they handle it by making the chassis thicker
@@NootNoot. Exactly. I think that there previous generation in which this almost happened (very similar CPUs for high-end mobile and desktop), but this is probably the first one where they are probably coming from the same assembly line with a different label (I'm oversimplifying of course).
@@bl4ckst0ne And overall bigger. I know that the main reason that thew new trend is replacing 16:9 screns by 16:10, but the 17" laptops are being replaced by 18", and the 15" are being replaced by 16".
I think that the 14" laptops will mostly use Raptor Lake-H CPUs but previously they would get the same CPUs as the 15" laptops.
Similarly, the GS66 gets replaced by the Stealth 16 Studio with a Raptor Lake-H, whereas previously the GE66 and GS66 both used Alder Lake-H CPUs.
These laptops are larger in terms of area, and slightly thicker and heavier than the ones they are replacing. This allows a bit more airflow to cool these beasts. But they should still have trouble keeping them from throttling.
Titan look much smaller than GE78 😅 Cant image how huge GE78
Yeah it really looks much smaller but it weighs more
The Titan is quite a bit deeper though.
@@JWil97 really deep
@@sukhpinderjitsinghkang2585 very deep
@@fabiolucasdev substantially deeper
To me it’s gonna all go down to price, weight and overall size but especially which cpu offers the best performance at lower wattage like 35-55W last last gen I went 5800H/RTX3080 because it was smaller, lighter, cheaper and the 5800H was more efficient and performed better at low power than the Intel cpu giving the gpu full power without sacrificing much
I think screen sizes should get larger OR have them removeable for you to pic your size you want,so you could have say 15" for office work then get home and change it to a much larger size say 20".17" is not large enough really as I have a 17" laptop and putting it into high res the fonts have to be changed too which does not help.
Now that's some great change in ports of the raider, the last one dosen't support type-c charging.
Nice to be able to easily charge it while not using it, or for light work / video, or even as a passenger in a car from a 12v to high volt PD.
@@RW1LD yeah its a good thing they added it this year, the legion lineup and razer got it years ago.
USB C can only deliver 240W. This laptop can draw 250W+
@TV "only" lol... if you're not gaming on it you don't need a 300w brick.
Advanced Optimus? G-Sync? Razer and Asus Rog offer both, I don't think MSI offers either. At this price point I would expect all, so for me these are non-starters.
Any update in this?
I have been using this product for more than 10 years, but the problem in particular has not been fixed, it is common for me to encounter hinge problems, so in 2022 I switch to the Legion brand. hopefully in the future they solve this problem
Fwiw, I bought a legion 7i in July 2021 and have been using it mostly as a dtr, open-close the screen 3-4 times a week. No shrieking, bulges, or anything resembling an abnormality about the hinges so far.
I have been using MSI GE66 RAIDER 2020 model since the last two years. I haven't faced any issue with my laptop. And no compromise in performance too. At least for the next 6 to 7 years, it is my personal computer.
Do all MSI's have weird hinge problems? Cause I broke my MSI laptop due to it sabotaging its own hinges and I've since moved over to a different brand. The GE78 looks really cool with that hinge design and speaker setup but if it really still is a problem then that's disappointing.
@@vishalv9699 same
@@muizzsiddique You can buy the creator series laptops from MSI. They look more professional and more built quality than gaming series. Creator series are fully metal build.
Thanks for the overview! When can we expect reviews with the New AMD gen 4 processors?
Can't wait for full review. Good work jarrod, waiting for your another video.
Where do you predict the 4090 will rank to the 3090ti for desktops?
This GE78 looks sooo good... Hoping that they won't go mad with prices and I will get one with i7 and 4080 for less than £3000
bro these will be pricey as fuck XDDDDDDDDDDDD
@@WeallAreAdults just saw in scan i7 13700hx 32gb ddr5 2tb ssd 4080 is 3400£ the one with i9 13950hx 3600£. Also raider with flagship components i9 13980hx 4090 is £3800 so the gap between 4080 and 4090 is just £200 basically... What the heck? 😂😂
@@marekcieslak7602 in pounds yeah, but the 30's titan was over 5 k euro's in belgium so i'm pretty sure the 40's version will be 5-5.9€
And good, no one gonna buy it, I have good day rate, but my work cost me a lot of nerves. 6k means 12 days of my work just for laptop, it’s not worth it anymore
Damn that rgb bar makes the GE78 look gaudy. I don't mind the looks of GT77, pretty cool that it has 128gb support for ddr5
Here's hoping for a sub-4lb/1.8kg Ryzen 7040HS refresh of the Prestige 15 with a 115W TGP dedicated graphics 🙏
What does it cost? Everything!
MSI missed the opportunity to include 18" panels this year. Makes me more attracted to Acer's and Asus's offerings.
yea the 18 inch acers look nice. like always asus gaming laptops are too gamery and gaudy for me.
Always proud and Excited for your reviwes Jerrod😍
Jarrod?
@@HanmaHeiro Jerry
Its 5:40am here in south america... I NEED TO WATCH IT!!!
Jarrod, the rhythm and consistency of your videos is soothing! I love your videos. Did you note that at time index 0:32 of this video the task manager window was showing speed of 0.75ghz? Why does that happen with this overpowered of laptop? It does so on my 12950HX Lenevo P16 gen1. Can get really slow sometimes even if I switch power mode to performance. it would be great if you can review that laptop.
The GE78 looks like it is sort of midway or carnival inspired design. Just check out the Vegas style lights
would appreciate your opinion on Mini-LED displays in gaming laptops
Love your videos and how many important details you emphasize. Also love your t-shirts, In Flames we trust!
biggest question - are displays G-sync compatible? At least Titan should be - "amled" tech supports g-sync
Would you recommend a RAm upgrade for Lenovo Legion 5 Pro Gen 7 and if yes which one?
I want one so bad but I don’t wanna spend more than 3500 usd and I don’t see them being less than that
Waiting for scar 18 SE.. that laptop would certainly be a beast..
The ONLY reason why im considering the GE78 is because where i live the breakers are already being pushed passed their limits.
I currently have a 11800H / 3060 (130W)
And i need something more capable.
Do they both overheat due to higher than advertised TDP, like all the other MSI offerings?
Isn't the 13980HX or whatever still under embargo? Can he reveal benchmarks? This is the first I'm seeing this
Bro u didn't reveiwed ge78hx 😢
I was hoping the gt 77 titan would have 4 nvme ssd slots with 4 fans and 11 heat pipes, but at least it has a 4k 120 hz mini led display that I been waiting for compared to measly displays with 250 nits and 450 nits that are too dim and finally 1,000 nits that should have been a standard for every laptop. On my Dell oled laptop, with sdr the colors pop, more saturated, and way brighter compared to hdr since hdr looks too bland, too dim looking and I was hoping that hdr would make the display brighter with all the colors more saturated that pop but it was a let down compared to sdr. I even had power savings off, night light off, manual brightness 100 percent and autobrightness turned off.
Starting to feel a peasant with my GE66 with 12700H + 3070 Ti. Will they always put 13900HX and up in the GE68/GE78, or will they make some versions with the 13700HX or 13850HX. I say this, because the 13900HX and up, are all i9 and pricier than the 12700H that they used on many models last year. Even the GE67 came with 12800HX, which is an i7 (not an i9) and the listing price is comparable to that of the 13850HX/13700HX.
Thanks for the review. I am considering the Titan but as a workstation. High-capacity memory expandability and three HD docks are quite enticing.
Just add g-sync MSI and I am SO excited for these. I wouldn't even bother looking at anything else as I know you nail the performance.
Even if the price is 4k USD or more?
Edit: typo
@@HanmaHeiro The office?
@@teddym2808 I meant the price. Sorry I used swipe to text
@@HanmaHeiro Yes I am willing to spend for the absolute top this year.. The reason is that chips are so fast now that something can realistically last for 5 years now. I mean I truly believe mobile 4090 will be able to play games in 5 years still, and 13950HX will be able to do any task for many years to come. I am going from 3070 mobile and 11800h so it will be a big jump, so might as well go all the way. But there's, as far as I am concerned, must haves for that kind of money, and G-Sync is one of them. As you can see, more and more brands are going back to it, as the demand is there, but MSI are too stubborn to pay the license fee to enable it in bios.
In a laptop, G-Sync works differently to a monitor with a dedicated chip. It is using typical VESA standard VRR and the only difference is that it uses Nvidia's proprietary driver to *control* the way that in built VRR works. But that driver is very special because it works with Vulkan, Opengl and Direct X AND in windowed or full screen mode, on any game.
it also has LFC or low framerate compensation so it works at any frame rate.
MSI are using VRR screens but refuse to enable advanced optimus/g-sync and it's purely because they don't want to pay the licensing fee to Nvidia. But IMO that is ridiculous for top of the range laptops to be such tight asses. The screens they use are literally ready with one bios update to be 100% g-sync compatible and they won't do it, for years now. So, in turn, for years now, they have lost my business.
I play a ton of retro emulation and without g-sync it's a much inferior experience. You can't properly emulate old games where they have an odd FPS that is tied to screen refresh rate. The only way to do it is with g-sync/freesync. Then of course there's the issue of tearing in modern games.. You can often completely disable v-sync with a g-sync screen and have no tearing and ultra low input latency. Once you use it you can't go back.
Now if the mux switch is not on, and the GPU is going through the intel driver, MSI laptops do support adaptive sync. But you lose performance and it ONLY works with Direct X 11 and 12 apps and usually only in full screen. Therefore it's the most inferior option of the lot between that and freesync and g-sync. Hence I just don't understand MSI. Why would any customer NOT want advanced optimus where you just change the GPU on the fly in real time without a reboot? Every laptop that is doing it is advertising it, so it's clear that MSI are saying FU to its customers once again and it's purely because of the license fee.
Oh well. So disappointing for me anyway.
@@teddym2808 thanks for the reply. I'll read through the entire thing later. You're amazing
Dig the inflames tshirt my man 🤘a true man of culture which is really rare these days we need more ppl to start listening to music like this
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Hey jarrod, i wanted to now what do you think of the Gigabyte g5 KD, With the 3060. I saw that you have never talked about this PC and i was Just curious 'cause im thinking about buying a 800/900 euros laptop. Thanks for all of your videos from Italy!
Micro center is listing a GT77HX with a 13980 and 4090 mobile for $4700. That’s about $1800 more than my desktop that has a real 4090 in it. Prices are getting extreme…
Yeah way too expensive I'm considering the 4080 13950 version but still 2800$$
MSI laptops NEVER disappoint. I had a GE76 with a 3060 and got a 3070ti lenovo legion because it was more portable. Im literally getting only 10 less fps in most games on my msi
You know it’s not about Lenovo, you just bought laptop with 3060 with lower tgp. It’s good to know what you are paying for
I mean 3070ti with low tgp
Jarrod when is the Amd Legion vs Intel video coming out??I want to see how much difference of battery life it makes
Hello Jarrod,
I’m from UK.
Big thanks for your work. Really enjoy your videos with only necessary and useful information provided by you.
Could you please help me with the choice as I’m stuck in between 2 options below and don’t know which option is better for my main home computer.
Huge thanks in advance.
MSI GE68 HX Raider 16" Gaming Laptop - Intel®️ Core™️ i7, RTX 4060, 1 TB SSD = £ 2 199
MSI Raider GE77HX 17.3" Gaming Laptop - Intel®️ Core™️ i9, RTX 3070 Ti, 1 TB SSD = £ 2 649
Thanks for the review. Do you thinks there’s a powerful enough power bank to be able to plug-in a laptop to game and that doesn’t damage the laptop battery?
Nice review and nice t-shirt. In Flames we trust!
wow, cant wait for these babies to hit the market
What about Asus, have they sent a 4060 laptop yet? And could you compare it eventually to a 3070ti
ASUS are gonna ship later. The new MSI models are the only 40-series laptops that are already listed at a bunch of online stores.
@@Clero77 like which one?
Thanks for the videos Jarrod! I can’t wait for the Asus Scar review!
This year I'm ready to exchange my MSI GS75 9SG for a new laptop with top intel CPU and GPU. I'm looking for a portable laptop for work (game dev) and gaming. So my candidates are Legion 7i Pro, MSI Rider GE78, Razor Blade 16. With my MSI I had a problem with the RGB keyboard (replaced the keyboard unit when some key lights started glitching). So what Is the most exciting model in your opinion? And WHY? The budget does not matter.
Lenovo Legion is the best!
I'm still getting the Titan GT77
Knowing it doesn't have Gsync?
When are these things coming out? And does the GE68 come out at the same time as the GE 78? The 68 also has a numpad right?
Thanks for the awesome review! These two are really powerful but how much gonna be!? GE usually cheaper than GT!? Is that right?
Hey Jarrod, tuf with Ryzen 7 + 3050ti or nitro with Ryzen 5 +3060 ??
Is it me or the GE78 looks larger than GT77
Ratio. Same 17" but 16:10 for GE and 16:9 for GT
Looks good! what do you think of the Gigabyte AORUS 17H with 4080 and i7 13700H Jarrod? will the 13700H hold back the 4080? it's so much cheaper than the competition! is it worth the risk?
Thanks for the overview. I wish the new GE78 had less gamery design. Transparent WSAD is 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Looking forward to the GE78HX review. Just ordered mine from Costco.
Nice video Jarrod.
One question, Lenovo Legion 5 5800h rtx 3060 130w(2021) vs MSI GP66 Leopard i7 11UG 693IN rtx 3070(2021) which one would be the best purchase? I'm not much aware of MSI thermals on this one.
Legion 5 better overall build quality is awesome.
@@vinnime8768 legion is all plastic... msi has top cover and palmrest Alu, and better cpu and GPU...
I'd go with the MSI. If I'm not mistaken, that 3070 gets the full power limit of 140W and has an 11800H, which is a better CPU for gaming than a 5800H.
which i7 cpu?
@@ACE112ACE112 ofc 11800h
Have had my Titan gt77 for a few months this thing is def a monster
Let me ask A quick question here?? A laptop version of Rtx 3080ti None maxque and a Rtx 4080 maxque graphics card which would be the bigger beast in terms of full performance?
Hi Jarod thanks for your content I love what you do.
What do you know when it's this laptop will be released
Sincerely
These seem genuinely good.
It still seems they don't do much in the way of cooling... just sticking with heat pipes and extra fans.
The Most Critical about the MSI GE78 Raider is the 'Hinges' after seeing a lot of complains in the Internet with the GE76, it's what's hindering me to purchase. Specifications are in the top though.
Thanks!!. I can't hardly wait to see the GT77 power bank. For sure will have same size than Titanic. 😂😂😂. Great video
It neede the rtx 3060
I got a MSI lap from 2018 and it's a lemon. The pad for scrolling feels like sand paper, the DVD player no longer works and the graphics aren't very good compared to an Acer both set at 1080p. When I type it feels like I'm putting my hand on a stove top.
Asus scar 16 vs msi ge78 vs lenovo legion 9i which one is better to buy?? Thnx for your answer
Is there any difference in the undervolted, overclocked performance? Is the 128gb ram laptop also able to reach 5600mhz on both 4 ram sticks?
Pls review the 2023 Rog Strix G series. I'm very much looking forward to it.
Not even 2 weeks have gone by and Jarrod already has them lol.
Unfortunately they're not final release though, so no testing.
I would say Eluktronics Mech 17 with it’s separate cooler is probably still the best overall laptop out there so far
lol i just refreshed to see if there was a new video ! LETS GO !
ty - i have the GE78 arriving Thursday as an upgrade to the GE76 with a 3060gpu.. I'm sure it will be nice . ty for the review
how is it
it was good for 1 or 2 monitors great for that, very powerful laptop.. I do multiboxing gaming on all sorts of stuff on bigger screens - lag fest - so it sucked for that. Gave up and got a Corsair Vengeance PC for what I need at least - $$$ RTX 4090 but it is 500-1000 more than that expensive laptop but holy moly it is a smoker!! the laptop is fast for a laptop - if you have 1 or 2 smaller displays , you are good.. for generic displays like spreadsheets or business it could easily drive 4 items as it comes.. it was a great laptop but just not good for me, and that's about it.@@John-us6cg
A warning to anyone purchasing the ge78: beware removing the rear cover. You WILL break the tabs that hold it on.
I’m about to pull the trigger on the GE78 but I’m also considering the Asus Strix Scar 16. Anyone got any tips. I can’t decide and as they are both about 4k machines it’s kind of a big decision
Hey, I was looking for a good laptop with a 144hz screen, 16gb of ram, a good processor and a graphics card that can run newer games at high settings. I would appreciate any suggestions.
I have had 2 msi's till date and that dangerous track pad depression at @1:27 exist in all of them.
Hello there, I've watched many of your videos thanks for your content, do you mind telling me what laptop would you buy for around $900 for light gaming and coding, I'm ready to pull the trigger but I'm just afraid about the quality control issues on laptops, I also can use your affiliate link to buy it. Thanks!
Can't wait to see your review on these two laptops!
The Titan review is here: ruclips.net/video/6phv7mVB8bk/видео.html
I don't have one for the Raider yet.
I can't wait for the comparison between the new titan and the new strix scar 18...
Hello Jared, i was looking through your reviews for fan noise and had a question, whats the ambient noise level?(with laptop turned off). And how far away the mic is?
MSI Raider GE77Hx 17.3" QHD 240Hz Gaming Laptop: Intel Core i7-12800HX RTX 3070 Ti 16GB DDR5 1TB NVMe SSD, Thunderbolt 4, USB-Type C, Cooler Boost 5, Win11 Pro: Dark Grey 12UHS-004 1,999.99 is this a bad price for this laptop?
No it's fine
Honestly? The GE78 is very ugly this year. If it was the 2022 look but with the new specs I would've probably get one. But I'll go with the Asus Strix Scar 18 this year. Maxed out specs, bigger screen, 3 fans, bigger air vents.. what's not to like. (except the power charging being on the left instead of the back but what can you do)
+1 I think the same. Will have to see benchmarks. I bet Asus will be above everyone else.
The deal breaker to me is the thermal metal thermal stuff, which cannot stay there statically when the laptop placed in an angle. Everything else is very fascinating this year for Scar 18 (no miniLED though)
@@junduan2288 you reckon it will slosh around? )) it’s a tiny layer pressed by a cooling plate on top. I cant imagine liquid metal to be like mercury ish )))
@@ShebanFPV This is not I reckon Sir. There are many Scar users reported this problem already. You can just simply google this problem with liquid metal.
As long as you say it's sponsored, i have no complains about.
Good of MSI to send early samples to you.
Why this laptops says Max-Q and the 4090-4080 don't have the tag?
Hello guys ,
My ASUS ROG STRIX SCAR has RTX 3070, Ryzen 9, 5000 series, and 32 gb ram with a FULL HD panel !
I'm planning to get an external monitor ( 1440p (QHD one) .it's this gonna affect my FPS when I'm playing games?
Also, if the monitor has G-SYNC, It's gonna work with my laptop Who has the fallowing ports?:
1x HDMI 2.1 TMDS
1x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C support DisplayPort™ / power delivery / G-SYNC
It's the lamborghini of gaming laptops if you cannot afford please go the economy side
The Ge78 is faster because of RGB. Also, In Flames game on it. 🤘
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I have a question for the Titan.. Does it come with g-sync?
Hello I don't know what to choose between these three laptops
1- MSI Raider ge 77 hx 17''
Core i7 12800hx rtx 3070ti QHD screen 240hz
2- MSI Raider ge 67 hx 15''
Core i7 12800hx rtx 3070ti OLED screen 240hz
3- Asus ROG strix scar 17''
Core i9 12900h rtx 3070ti QHD screen 240hz
I'd go with option 2
Why not to wait for the GE 78/68 series? Only 1 month or less left
@@Motero125R
I afraid from the price of the new gen of laptops
@@osamamamdouh9888 I know that feeling bro.. hhahah
Anyways, you could wait and then decide, maybe the RTX 4090 laptop is too high, but a good RTX 4080 will be much faster than any RTX 3080 laptop and the price could be not as high as we think (I hope so, at least hahaha)
I’ve got an better idea. Build a 4070 ti desktop for half of the price for these fodders that destroys them in performance
Wish you could play some music on the new 6 speakers of GE78hx and made a comparison with GT77 that have 4*2W speaker.
Can't wait for him to review the new Stealth 😳
3:12 that numpad should be illegal
at least they have a numpad unlike razors new 18 inch model lol
Kinda disappointing to hear the Titan still has a 16:9 screen instead of 16:10. But having mini led kinda makes up for that I guess. Plus it has usb c charging. I think having that makes a lot more sense for a large laptop like that. Very curious to see how well they keep the new hardware cool.
Still gonna cost a kidney, so who cares anyways 🤣
@@AlexandreG Can I borrow yours?
@@Terreos I spent one of mine in my last laptop who's not nearly as expensive as this titan, so I'm gonna be needing the one I got 24/7, sorry buddy
@@AlexandreG 😄
for that price it should have 4k/2k oled or mini led 16:10 18 inch screens in them.
whoa these things are approaching checked bags
Does this mean you currently have a RTX 40 series laptop in your possession Mr Jarrod?
Yes but he isn't allowed to post any benchmark
When is the review embargo?
@@morla5558 I saw someone say Feb 1st but that doesn’t make sense as that means we’d have to wait more than 2 weeks from this video????
I bought an MSI gaming laptop this year. Overheated out the box. Support was slow. Sent back in the end for full refund. First experiance and last with them.
Please review the MSI Raider GE78.
Hey Jarrod , I was trying to undervolt my Asus Scar Strix SE but the laptop crushed many times so I decided to give up.
Maybe can you help me and tell me the exact amount of mv I need to change .
Tried to lower the Cpu core , cpu cache E and cpu cache P via thorttlestop but it didn’t went well
I like the stealth and GP 78
Im still hopeful that one 18" or 17" of all the new laptops can be under 2k$😭🥵