I'M A GROUCH!! Post Hole Digger on John Deere 3046R
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- Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2024
- My LEAST Favorite Attachment: The Post Hole Digger! Let's see if the 3046R handles it better than the 1025R.
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I borrowed a post hole auger from a neighbor a few years ago and the auger had a worn out hole in it so before I could use it I made some bushings for each side of where the bolt went thru on the auger using 3/8 steel. And having no help I made an arm with a hook on the end that I could hang weight on it for down pressure. After I got thru with it I brought it back to the owner and showed him how I upgraded it and he said he'd probably would never use it again and he was selling all his equipment, tractors and attachments because he was moving in with one of his kids, health reasons. So he blessed me with the digger. I ended up putting a new tip on the 9" auger plus gave me a 12" auger. I used it for another 5 years and it dug many a hole no issues.
I can honestly say I had nothing but good luck with the post hole digger I got from Everything Attachments and at the time was hooked up to my 32hp yanmar. I used an 18" auger to plant 50 balled and bur-lapped 4ft+ high spruce trees which was highly recommended from the nursery I bought them from. Initially it was a good excuse to buy another implement and save our backs digging holes or tilling wide unneeded swaths with the 5ft tiller. Actually it took more time to mark the tree spots with binder twine and paint. I think you're a bit more grouchy using it due to the type of sticky clay you are in. Where I'm at it wasn't too rocky and soil flung off nicely around each hole making it easy to cover up around the root balls. Eventually I sold that setup when I sold my tractor and now looking for a smaller unit since its nice to have when putting in posts or larger trees in rows. Though now I only have a 1025R as my largest tractor and I know that 3 series type of tractor worked effortlessly with that 18" auger bit. Looks like you ran it like a pro towards the end or was it the 3046R making you look good. Practice makes perfect.
Well Tim you probable don't want to hear this, but there is a tool called a littler Beaver post hole digger. It is man operated but I used it to do fencing for a season and it never had an issue. The drill head had a torsion bar attached to the power supply which kept it from wrapping up on you when it hit a rock. Pulled it up a little to get the dirt off. And it did not require a tractor, trailer, or big truck to haul it all around. Just a little more physical input during the digging.
I guess it’s like a lot of things. They’re great…when they work. Nice to see the results and glad you didn’t need a five foot pipe wrench. Blessings.
I have a Land Pride post hole digger with a 9" and 12" augers. I recently used it with the 9" auger to dig 350+ holes plant a batch of young hedging cedars in rows for field production.
I tried this same post hole Auger with my 1023E ... I have to detach the auger every hole, use a board(lever) and some rebar to unscrew it from the ground, totally buried in our red clay. Clay and smallest tractor on earth = lots of work when your hydraulics can't lift out the auger =(.
The biggest pain I have with the PHD is connecting, disconnecting and storing the crazy things without them falling on you. Once installed I love them and sure beats doing it by hand. Agree with you Tim that keeping the tip sharp and auger clean helps it work much better.
Unless you have a stand or somewhere to hang it the easiest way is to take it apart as you take it off. You have 5 pieces that are much more manageable and easier to put back on.
@@Dan-oz4qb Yes I rigged up a hanger off one of my pole barn beams. Works fairly well and not so clumsy to attach but still have to take the auger off to make it manageable.
If I felt it start to bind, I would lift. and my 1320 Ford 20 hp did an excellent job with both 9" & 12" thousands of hole no problems, Mud, Clay, Gravel or general yard/pasture, tried it with my 42 hp 2120 but that was to large to be maneuverable. Thank you Tim for another great video.
Tim, read this! To have a more pleasurable experience in using the auger look into adding a metal pipe or rod for the helper to guide vertical, and lift up if you get a little stuck. This makes a world of difference.
I built a holder for my post hole digger. Two post about 3ft apart and a removable crossbar. Saw it on RUclips. Works great without any hassle.
PTO post hole augers are a pain. I plan to purchase a front-mount hypostatic unit. They make them with an offset mount so you can see it on the right side of the hood. This allows you to apply down force, spin the auger backward and drill a deeper hole. My frost line in Northern MN is 60"
Yeah. I saw one of those on YT and decided we need a FEL post hole digger as well.
I've learned the hard way that anytime I want to use my auger with my 3025e that I need to place blocks under the yoke before I begin. Once the yoke hits the blocks, the auger stops digging and pops back up.
Good idea!!
We’ve got a Continental digger and it’s nothing like a 3 point auger. Takes a little extra time to set up but works extremely well. Have yet to get it stuck as it walks itself down the sides and has a trip and cable that pulls itself back out of the hole. Then it spins and cleans the auger off and goes back into the hole to clean it out.
I sold my 3pt auger when I bought a track skid steer and bought one for it. It's a joy to drill hole with. But dug a many a one with the tractor.
I take it this was not filmed in Central Texas where we sit on a limestone plateau. We have all sorts of fun digging post holes out here.
Tim, if you want to not be angry when using that tool, look into the Land Pride versions sold at German-Bliss Implement dealer in Princeville, IL.. they are hydraulically driven and have options to use them on your front end loader instead of a loader bucket with a quick attachment adapter. They even have a 3-point version with down pressure available. If I remember right, they invented the first model or design to put down pressure on a post hole digger when I was younger. A while ago that is. Might be a great idea for Johnny X with the increased hydraulics. Thanks for the very informative and enjoyable videos.
They are aggravating to put on the tractor but just remember the alternative, the hand diggers.
Amen brother
The gas powered earth auger is also an option
The control rod that you mention is just for steering the bit back and forth. I have it on mine and there is no way to push down on the bit with it.
I removed the drive shaft and mounted a 1000 rpm up too 10 gpm hydraulic motor on my three point hitch setup similar too yours too the gear box . Tons of power and reverse . No more broken shear bolts . No more stuck augers and instant stop when need . Shaking the dirt off is simple also moving the rear remote hydraulic lever forward reverse quickly . I also added AR 400 plate 1/2 “ thick with finger chisel teeth for Better performance grinding hard ground and chisel cutting roots . Drilling holes with the three point hitch auger is so easy now . I would never use a one way drive shaft pto again . Mounting a hydraulic auger on a compact tractor loader is risky . Using it on one side for better view can twist the loader or serious bend if the auger grabs something . Skid steer loaders are way stronger .👍
What ever the difficulties with this system, it sure beats the two handle post hole digger that I have always had to use! Fortunately we also did not have many posts to put in at a time.
Two handle post hole digger tool can work much better than one of these junkers when the soil gets hard.
I’m getting grouchy just watching this video. Give me a skid steer auger any day of the week for ten times the rental price of a three point and I’ll pay double that to not have to use one of these.
Manure pen turned out well. Nice to see how the slag has weathered since being put in.
Thanks for another great video Tim! Merry Christmas!
I got the exact same posthole digger. Countyline, from Tractor Supply and it's you not the digger. Mine more than paid for itself digging for me and others. My problem was it was on a 16hp tractor and now it's going on a 25hp Kubota with twice the lift on the 3pt hitch.
We have a new version of the County Line auger. We have used it to put in more than 50 fence posts. Over time we learned how to use it most effectively. We also bought both a 12 inch and a 9 inch auger bit. We have used both.
With all of your hydraulic expertise have you considered a front mount or backhoe hydraulic auger set up? There are videos of a BX23S with hydraulic post hole digger on the backhoe.
We had a hydraulic post hole drill on a skid loader, worked so much better being able to put down pressure on the doggone thing.
I too need a pto cover end due to trying to get the extra depth. I have to mention the person on the ground should have a long handle shovel to clean hole edges😀. Hint I have been known to chain tractor wheel weights to help with down pressure. Thanks again for sharing your jobs and frustrations, have a good day.
I have never liked the post hole digger on any of my compact tractors but on our 1968 Massey Ferguson 135 diesel. It was fine. It also had a setting for the PTO that was called groundspeed that would allow you to reverse the pto direction.
I'm off to a good start this morning have my coffee up around Chicago il for my unload then my reload takes me over to Gary IN area I'll have to try really hard to keep my grouchy Ness to a minimum enjoyed the video God bless stay safe
I use one of these fairly regularly on a Kubota BX and like you experienced on the 1025, when it gets stuck it’s brutal. That 3 series handled it without a sweat! Nice choice!
The control rod on the newer County Line model is only for getting it vertical as you set it on the ground. It’s otherwise too flimsy to put any down pressure on the digger. I don’t have any issue running mine with a 25hp tractor (23hp PTO), I can almost idle like you. I think the key is tractor frame size. The 1025R doesn’t have enough oomph at the 3 point. My tractor is similar size to a 3 series.
I remember many years ago running one on a 990 David Brown, the nice thing about the them was they had down pressure on the 3 point and a reversible PTO
To add down force I welded mounts for weights near the end of the boom. I also bought, but haven't installed yet, a hydraulic down force cylinder. I have to dig through the hardest clay you can find. Thank goodness there are few rocks.
Merry Christmas tim to you and your family god bless
Let’s get started
I agree Tim, very annoying to hook up. If I am digging 5 holes or less, I do it by hand.
Tim, my experience is all bad with the 3 point post hole auger. It goes its own way, does not go straight (due to the design) and cannot get itself out if it gets stuck. I would advise against using a grade 8 bolt, as the auger or the driver would fail before bolt. Bolts are cheaper.
This is NOT the shear bolt.
@@TractorTimewithTim Sorry, didn't mean to sound critical, just wanted to make sure there was no damage to the rental auger. I was so fed up with the 3 point auger that I built an hydraulic version that mounts on a SSQA base. Solved the directional control problem, and the getting stuck problem. Works with 25 hp.
Good to know about the shields. Need one for my Land Pride rear tine tiller.
The long handle you are missing can not be used to add "pry" or add down force. It is only for "aiming".
You can hook up hydraulic down pressure, leveraging off of the tractor to the auger frame. It makes a big difference.
One of the other reasons you can get wobble in the auger is that the ears on the crossbar that support the boom get spread out. The ears need gussets welded on either side.
It only takes 1 time with a large pipe wrench to understand why augers bring out the "grouch" in the operator!!! LOL I do enjoy my hydraulic auger for my skidsteer and loader on my tractor. By the way Tim I ordered my auger with an adapter that will use both the round shank bits as well as the hex shank on the auger itself. 👍
I have only ever used manual post hole diggers. I have even used the ones for setting power poles (I used to work for a power company). Oh, and a rock bar. What is a rock bar? I big metal bar that you thrown into the hole over and over to break up a rock when digging a hole to set a power pole. I am new to the tractor world and hope to have a power post hole digger eventually.
The times you get an auger caught in the ground are screwing under a large (e.g. 3") root. While digging you must watch for a sudden pull down of the boom and stop immediately. So always keep you foot on the clutch pedal. Pulling up and clearing often may not protect you from getting caught on large roots.
Great video!
friend of mine has a post hole digger he put a cone splitter attachment on and he splits 24 - 36 inch logs with his little kubota grey market
It's okay Tim, I have more grouchy days than I have good days it seems! 😁👨🚒
"Pre-apocalypse"...🤣😂 that was good! Curious if having the tractor on neutral, once you have drilled a foot or so deep, would help the auger stay more vertical, forward and backwards by allowing the tractor to move to follow the bit, instead of the other way around?
There may just be too much resistance from the tractor to move though for that to work, never tried one of these.
It certainly looked like it was a lot better/easier than digging that by hand or using a 1 or 2 man auger!! And yeah, stay away from the spinning parts and that looks safe enough. I was wondering if they could put a bracket on the end, near the auger, to hang some suit case weights to add some "down pressure", but sounds like that would not be good as you said it was all the 3R wanted when you were lifting it up several times. So no extra weight, that would be bad👍.
Another great video, even if it was hosted by a very tame Grouch.....If that was grouchy, I should probably feel for some that have to deal with me at times😂😂 Have a good one!!
I also keep mine turning as it's raised out of the hole., Makes it easier to pull out, And I only paid $400 for mine new.
You are toooo funny. Love your humor!
When we bought ours we got the 6 and 12 both. Hate the big hole on the 12 inch, but use it 8 times out 10. Rarely can we use the 6.
Why is there a mound of dirt by the hole where is the man cleaning dirt away with a shovel?
I hate using my post hole digger! Especially when it gets stuck in the hole. Sometimes I even had to put a pipe wrench on it and twist it backwards to get it out of the hole. One of the cases where the extra 3-point lift capacity of the kubota is an advantage.
@9:11 the 3 point starts to wobble back and forth, that has been my biggest complaint with the County Line 3 Point auger. I've tried adjusting the 3 point arms, shimming the 3 point arms and finally I welded a tab on the hoop of the auger where the beam portion mounts. The auger bits I use are countly line and you still have bad wobble. I end up having my sun run the PTO from the cab of th tractor and I do the leveling of the digging end.
Great job digging those holes guys and finished projects. Christy great aerial shots. Tim don't fall to the force of the grouch. I know drilling holes can bring it out! LOL! By the way, nice new truck! Blessing ya'll.
So far I’ve gotten mine stuck where I had to disassemble about 1 in 20 holes. I’ve used a 6” auger exclusively so far. I’m running mine on a 1025r. I’ve got a project coming up where I’ll use a 10” auger. The more I think about it, the bigger auger may need a bit more horsepower in a lot of soils, but I wonder if it doesn’t come back out easier due to the geometry. I lift mine out often and rock back and forth a bit to try and keep the hole a little loose as I go to avoid getting stuck, but I’m really curious if doing that with a bigger auger improves the failure ratio on my little tractor.
That is my experience as well with 1025r.
Would a mahindra emaxx 22s run that countyline auger?
Nice to see the 3046r and County Line digger together since that’ll be my combo.
I’ve been researching a hydraulic down-pressure cylinder for the digger, I think it attaches to that hole on the boom. Have you seen that set up?
It was one of those days, nothing went right no matter what you try this is what you end up with..... get another auger!! for big Johnny 5... Have a better day TOMORROW.... 🙂👍✌🙏🤞
I use a Ryobi 40v battery-powered auger. Fairly lightweight, fast, and has reverse! Also only $400.
I’m shocked still that you have so many problems running the auger on the 1 series. I have a mt 122 l, I operate it at idle, and I run nothing but a 12” auger on it, and it absolutely rocks. I have done work in wet clay, gravel, and installed a fence through brushy woods even. I’ve knock on wood, never gotten it stuck, or even felt like it was struggling. I generally operate it with the parking brake on and standing next to the tractor watching and using my three point lever that way. Sure lifting sometimes, I will Rev the motor if the suction is strong, but I really have no complaints. It’s the updated county line auger as well, with the kick stands. I can hook it up in less than 5 minutes easy. Taking it back off is even easier.
The only place I’ve broke my shear bolt on the auger side has been right next to a foundation, the auger grabbed some cement down there.
it might be a worse day ... but a more exciting video ... grab that PTO implement ... no dont
I agree - not my favorite att.. Rent a Bobcat that has down pressure. I once broke an auger off and just left it in the ground.
Tim, it sounds like you need a half inch to 1 inch steel bushing...!
Doesn't it defeat the purpose of a shear pin if using a grade 8?
They do make adapters to use a bigger auger on a smaller gear box. You could also use a short piece of pipe to take out the slop.
This is not the shear pin.
@@TractorTimewithTim I understand it's not the normal shear pin on the pto shaft but how do you protect the gear box should the auger get caught on a root without a designated failure point between them?
@@Dan-oz4qb the ‘normal’ shear pin will protect the gearbox. The protection can be anywhere in the line. We definitely wouldn’t want the connection to the auger itself to come loose. What you see in this video is a total hack. Something I would not do except in desperation…which we were.
Best find an auger with the proper sized connector.
You know I do not enjoy running my post hole digger however I'm always glad we own one when we need it. It no fun to put on and no fun to use lol
Also. Tim...if it makes you feel any better. The first time I ever used mine I caught the edge of an electric fence and had to spend the next hour cutting it off the auger in tiny pices ....this as well added nothing good to a bad mood lol
Right. The choice is to be frustrated, but finishes with the job, or exhausted with blisters and not even CLOSE to finished! Obviously we’ll choose the frustration!
I've had good luck with mine using a 1025. Probably has a LOT to do with whatever soil is in a particular hole. I have stood on the 3 pt arms (hold the ROPS to keep steady) to add downward pressure as needed. Even with it's limitations, I have found it to be vastly superior to the 2 man rental units (widow makers lol), the 1 man rental units, and most especially the units run by our favorite spanish speaking laborer Manual!
Wonder what it would take to get a reversible gear box for one of these things?
I would spend the extra money for a hydraulic powered front auger. I have a PTO hydraulic power pack for my TrailBlazer front brush cutter, which runs the cutter at a constant gpm of just under 11.5. Come down to the ranch in Arkansas and bring a front hydraulic auger and we can try it out on various tractors with the power pack.
Not sure if some bushings would have worked to make the holes in the bit fit your drive better or not. Since the implement only turns one direction, you could also install your bolt in the hole, then rotate the bit to where it is on the driving side of the crossbolt BEFORE you tighten it down to reduce that bit of wobble.
The danger of using the implement is doing so alone and dismounting from the tractor. If you get caught up in it, you are beyond reaching any controls. We had such an incident occur several years back where the operator got caught up and was literally beat to pieces(the machine just kept running and nobody thought about him until he didn't come home for lunch.😬).
Maybe it's been covered but, other than a pretty significant price difference, is there a disadvantage to a loader mount auger over a three-point? Just seems like they would be a better overall choice if price wasn't a consideration.
I would go down about a foot then lift out , go another foot and lift out to make it easier. Also when raising up out leave the pto run to clear the hole out.
Need to add some brackets on the digger arm for some suitcase weights. Then you could add weight for some extra digging power.
Was waiting for you to hit a root! It's goes down fast! 😆 🤣
To clean the auger all you do is place shovel upside down on the auger flight and let it spin. The shovel will knock the dirt off while it spins with no effort.
Grade 2 bolts for Sheer Pin use!
Actually, this one calls for grade 5
Tim digs for Oil!
I like to cut a hole in a scrap piece of plywood and auger thru the hole. Makes it much easier to shovel the dirt off the wood. Yes, i know with the price of wood these days there’s no such thing as scrap plywood, kinda like scrap gold!!!
So what is the failure point with a post hole digger? A shear bolt? U-Joints? Drive shaft? Or something inside the tractor? Probably can't use a slip clutch on them, can you?
Grade 2 bolt between auger and gear box is where mine breaks.
I will say it because it needs to be said. I hate these things but I have two none negotiable rules if used.
#1 never touch the auger if the tractor is running.
#2 Nobody is allowed within 25' during use.
Arguably the most dangerous implement made
Thanks Safety Sally. Now stand back 25' while the work gets done.
@@Dan-oz4qb give the auger a hug for me when you see it
@@Rprecision the men already got the work done and it's back in the shed. ♥️
It allows for proper amount of filler like gravel and concrete to support
Tim, you should be using a grade 2 bolt. By using a grade 8 bolt, you run a risk of damage to your tractor or the gearbox of the implement. Grade 2 bolts are needed to be the safety break when the auger catches a rock or locks. Or get an overrunning clutch on the pto drive on the tractor. That will shorten the drive shaft of the post hole implement.
This was not the shear bolt. Good grief.
@@TractorTimewithTim Tim, I'm looking out for your machines. You have had unrelated issues with the pto in the past. I'm not trying to a troll. Just looking out for YOUR machinery.
Ok, but you are factually incorrect in this case. The machine has a shear bolt located at a different spot.
@@TractorTimewithTim My mistake & my apologies.
Do you think your 2038R would run/ lift that PHD ok?
All depends on conditions.
When the finance committee allows you to buy a mini excavator you will enjoy digging post holes. Easy to position. Easy to keep vertical. Lots of lift and down pressure. Variable speed and reversing hydraulic drive.
i used by loader bucket to get downward force ... push up the front to push down the back ... or so i think ...
I start with the bucket flat and get as much lift as I can, then push with the bucket, rotating it to the tip. Of course my mechanic says, "boy are you hard on equipment" -- keeps you employed dude!
Wont help, the lift arms will just float up. Might help to get a stuck auger out. Have bucket full of dirt, start lifting the arms while pushing down on the loader. Put the lift control in the neutral position and lift the bucket. Of course the extra pressure might blow out a seal in the lift system.
Always a great show!! You guys do a great job even if your grouchy lol
That's the last attachment I would buy. Then again I haven't put up a fence then I'd buy one 😆
Tis Grinch season not grouch. Please play along. Blessings
Probably shouldn’t be using a grade 8 bolt. That’s a shear point. Should be using a grade 2.
This is NOT the shear bolt.
i keep watching and yelling at the screen but you are still not pushing with your loader ... its like this was prerecorded or something ... so grouchy! thanks for the vid
Don't believe it if someone tells you these aren't dangerous, especially when working alone. I had a neighbor working alone with a post hole digger on a rear 3 pt. hitch. They could only speculate what he did with his foot but EMS had to load what little was left of him after the auger has pulled his leg and other body parts into the hole. The tractor was still running the auger when they found him hours later, deceased, of course.
Uh, you can die in your bathtub if you are an idiot.
I don’t mean to be insensitive, but that is not indicative of danger when handled responsibly.
@@TractorTimewithTim John Glenn nearly proved that.
L2501 handles easily, great attachment
I think the augers cutting edges become dull after a while.
this should be your excuse to get that skid loader
I did not see any “locate” paint on the ground. Glad not electric or gas infrastructure did not make you REAL grouchy!
Thanks Sally.
I DUG OUT the playground area 18" deep before (which had been located).
I BUILT the hump for the other holes at the playground.
At the farm, we clearly knew where the electric ran to the building. Anything we might have hit would have been private anyway. Utility locator would not have found it.
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Tim just dig the first one by hand the way we used to, then you will hate it a lot less.
Hey Scrooge, lighten up. Beats the hickory handled high lift, and good enough for a poop pen! Go put your feet up, Christmas is coming.
Ha! Yea, everyone has bad attitude days!
is pg 13 content tim ?🤣
I'm glad I don't have any use for an auger attachment, doesn't seem like it's safe as well.
Oh, I don’t think it is that unsafe. Looks a bit exposed, but not gonna throw stuff, and pretty obvious where to avoid moving parts.
@@TractorTimewithTim When moving parts exposed like the auger Novus standby persons could be harmed. I myself worked in construction and farming and know how many accidents happened, that is why I made that statement. I don't want to get into detail but I know of a death that was caused by a rotating boring bar on a construction project in which I was employed.
Everyone knows of an anecdotal death/injury. And yes, obviously there is some risk with any rotating device.
I still maintain that such risks are often overstated. …sorta like shark attacks.
That's just terrible that you had to drill those holes with that awful machine and didn't have a two handled post hole digger handy for your lovely wife to use.