Let's take a moment to appreciate the acting job of the therapist. Everything about him is spot on. Facial expressions, tone of voice, the works. He plays the role perfectly.
David Michod, he's actually a film director. Directed Animal Kingdom (the original film not TV series), the Rover with Guy Pearce and Robert Pattinson, The King with Timothee Chalamat and War Machine with Brad Pitt. Pretty good performance considering he's not an actor.
You would think as a “therapist” he would remember rays “respect” talk. Like if I had a room full of people prone to violence I would remember what sets each of them off
@@HaratioUK which is exactly the problem with Ray's outlook, respect to some people means subservience. I for one don't want real life to be just like prison.
@@kaj7135 You've added nothing even remotely insightful to this conversation, so there's nothing for me to lose yet. It sounds like you could probably use a therapist yourself, further proving my original point. I don't know what kind of trauma in your life has caused you to try to pick fights with strangers on the internet, but I hope you are able to face it someday and move on. I do have better things to do than defend myself to a hypocritical troll though, so I'll take my W and bid you adieu.
Ive not watched the full series but my impression of Ray is that he's not necessarily angry, just hostile with no patience for disrespectful behaviour.
I think you hit the nail on the head with that definition. Ray does what most men probably think about doing but then decide not to because of societal norms or because they're cowards, for lack of a better word. Ray does not fly off the handle, he uses violence as a tool. In the whole show Ray only lets emotions overwhelm him twice: after Ally's brother is being an asshole to his daughter, the most precious thing in his life, and when he's chopping the tree after breaking up with Ally.
That's what I love about this series, nobody is perfect. Nobody has the perfect argument. You're half way in-between Ray and the Therapist in terms of their logic. Both annoy you slightly, neither you fully agree with.
The therapist is understanding with everyone but seriously judgmental of Ray, i thought he wasn't supposed to discriminate? And he also let's everyone finish speaking except for Ray, responding with things which are judgmental and that would aggravate a person who doesn't have anger issues while this is supposed to be a anger management session.. Like is Ray so different then the others that this is the correct technique or is this therapist just horrible at his job? Also many "great" mysogonists? 😅
The others were "playing along" and responding as they thought they were supposed to (as is the usual reaction when an alternative is possibly worse.) Ray wouldn't play that game, and the psych just never experiences that enough to know how to deal with it, instead falls back on the "how to" text's he was told to read at uni. I've been seeing psychs (aka "therapists") for decades (due to depression) and my experience is if it doesn't fit the script, they're lost. One said, "oh well, some people just aren't meant to be happy I guess", another said "just take an "emotional holiday", but could not explain what that actually was, or how to achieve it. The last said "I don't think I can help you.. but I'm happy to talk with you" with the rates he was charging, I guess he was very happy to have a paid chat. Myself and Veterans Affairs.. not so much.
No question Ray makes some good points. But bashing his girlfriends brother over taking a unicorn at a gift exchange shows he does have an anger problem. His answer to why there are so many assholes is gold though.
I don't think is was the simple fact that the brother refused to give Ray the Unicorn after the gift exchange. If I remember correctly, Ray bought that Unicorn specifically to give to his daughter as a gift, so the fact that the brother refused to give it back, made it feel more akin to him stealing his daughters present. I don't think Ray would have reacted as he did if it was anyone/something else... But as far as his daughter is concerned, he's a dad and loves her, so I think his response was justified.
To be fair to Ray, he didn't immediately resort to violence. He tried to talk to him man to man and ask him as a favour to give the present back to his daughter. Hell he even offered to buy the present from him. The brother escalated the whole thing.
They needed to finish the therapists arc by him being assaulted outside a business some where and have Ray walks by and just watches. Not helping, just watching the guy getting trounced. Afterward he can explain to the therapist that violence wasn’t the answer
He wasn't raised around low expectations, or visceral violence, and can't relate, or understand, those that are. At this edge of the extremes, it's almost like separate species, moving passed each other in the dimming light.
"I managed to drive to work today without incident" "That's terrific" Therapist is out of his depth with Ray, but man, look at the usual calibre of dude he's dealing with, lol
Most, thing is, very often its better for yourself to just let things slide. Prison and graveyards, filled with people that couldn’t. A lot of this agression will fade if you have children for example, not worth it.
@@xXmennovichXx Yeah sure. But then there are the times that we have children and families because we didn't let it slide. It is a balance. A difficult balance.
I thought the therapy stuff wasn’t as well written as most of the rest of the show. Don’t know if it was the actor or just how the character was written but the therapist was overly smug and obnoxious, really unrealistic for an actual therapist who’re non judgemental and professional. A bit of weird anti woke bait shit in this show as well, like the therapist obnoxiously calling Ray a misogynist and angling Tatiana’s new girlfriend as an angry lesbian feminist. Otherwise a pretty down to earth show. Bruce’s storyline is insanely well acted, genuinely teared up a lot at the conclusion of that.
Apparently you've never been attached to a "therapist" like this. Its ironic, because they are about 75% of all "therapists" today. Or - maybe - you are a therapist. Or at least attached to the industry. Which means you probably have an enormous blind spot. Lastly, these therapists are literally trained to go after the "alpha in the room" bc if they don't, that alpha will set the tone and hinders their ability to progress the group. Oh, and don't believe me, this is coming from my board-certified neuro psychologist wife with 20 yrs experience.
I’m in the field as well on an academic and work place capacity now and it’s true there’s so much pandering and buzz words. It’s hard to find an actual therapist and not someone who’s also a political activist. It’s a real issue in the field now. It also doesn’t help therapist and the studies the practice is based off are usually women. It’s known there’s issues with generalizability as men and women react differently in therapy but it’s female centered and been like that since Freud
@@deeohen8344 ‘therapists are literally trained to go after the alpha in the room’, ‘75% of therapists are insufferably obnoxious to their clients’. Mate just don’t even.
The issue with the therapist character is that it is by no means mimicking an actual therapist. Instead, this character is a condescending and judgmental piece of garbage. Seems like it was written by a person who has a personal vendetta against therapists. An awful character.
The show Seems to be showing the 'woke' side of therapy. hard at work looking down on someone for doing what everyone knows is right we need more ray's here in the usa. Im with ray if someone bumped into a little kid and didnt apologize... ray did great in that moment. I know I will hear it but that's OK. Sorry for a disjointed comment. I had to take out so much more and didn't go back and rewrite the whole thing.
Dude talks like a redditor. His only “advice” to those guys is to never have any self-respect for themselves. My favorite part is when he calls Ray a “misogynist” for telling basic irrefutable facts. lol
@@Morgan-xe4gz Do you really think that if this woman who has slept with 30-40 men would suddenly stop cheating even when the guy has further stated that she likes the attention?
@TheMinipily It's his insecurities that makes her think that she will cheat. She has never actually cheated, at least as far as I know. I've roughly slept with 30 women but, but I've been in a happy relationship for two years now. Why couldn't a woman do this?
The writing for the therapist scenes is a bit cringe and out of place with the honest writing of the rest of the show. Reminds me of the crappy writing on afterlife, overly contrived in making the protagonist seem ever so correct and rolling his eyes at society
It is, but it definitely shows that Ray would be better served by one-on-one therapy as his primary concern is not being shown as weak to others. The therapist also is not very good at his job as written, which may also be the point as it is often the case for these court ordered services
@Rhugor yeah fair points, I just felt it was handled in a heavy handed manner writing wise, which is a shame as the rest of the series goes into nuance seamlessly
@@ianaspinall7948 I don't disagree with you either, as a guy having to run these very groups fairly often for work lol (and tried very hard to be more effective than this guy!)
I love this show and the general values and morals it obviously pushes, but I think these group therapy sessions get therapy all wrong. The guy in charge of the group is clearly depicted as a soft, lame, and unreasonable guy. I think ray is wrong and you can’t just go around slapping people. When you do you wind up losing things like really important relationships or losing important time with your daughter in jail. It’s probably the only weak point of the whole show to me. Therapy works. Not everyone who acts like an asshole is a nazi. Violence can be helpful sometimes.
Ray is fundamentally right though, in that if you permit bad behaviour to go unpunished, then it will likely persist at a societal level. If someone gets up in your face about something totally idiotic and unreasonable, turning the other way more likely than not won't make that individual less than an arsehole.
@ I have some bad news man, bad behavior already is a guarantee in society and slapping around one snotty teen will just as much embolden the next teen as it may deter them. It’s about understanding what you can and cannot control.
The therapist isn’t just depicted as soft, lame and unreasonable, he IS all those things. Ray gave those other guys immensely better advice than he ever did.
"I think ray is wrong and you can’t just go around slapping people. --- It’s probably the only weak point of the whole show to me. Therapy works. Not everyone who acts like an asshole is a nazi. Violence can be helpful sometimes." wtf are you actually talking about you managed to contradict yourself twice
@@21Liberdade Vigilante 'justice' simply begets more vigilante 'justice' as the initial perpetrator or their friends seek revenge against the initial vigilante. That's how we end up with family feuds lasting generations.
A interesting study..But i think unfortunately many an Therapist is speaking from a lofty position in a Ivory Tower.. U could have the most decent,easy going,Law abiding person get set upon by someone nasty or a fkn Loon ( on a Bus,train,in the street,it could happen anywhere).And their very decency may also have contributed to their downfall& ( that person) could easily be a Therapist. Now if a guy with Ray's Propensity for violence could be summoned at will or appeared & saved the day,would this moralizer still pick their motives (and chosen method of dealing with those that deserve it)apart, in such a condescending,judgemental & disgusted manner? Or would that violence be ' Good violence' or ' acceptable violence ' So as they say hindsight is 20/20.. And i like that saying ' Life can only be understood looking backwards& lived forwards- As in life is made up of series of events & decisions only made sense of in hindsight,but at present navigated in real time..- So true..
This was always the weakest part of the show for me. The therapist is a strawman, providing stupid, exaggerated, base level thoughts so that Ray can destroy him with "facts and logic." It's totally unrealistic and it's only purpose is to let the shows creators live out this strange fantasy where their world views are all correct and anybody who opposes them is a dim witted soft moron who can't form a coherent rebuttal.
These types of therapists are insufferable pricks who were either bullied or never learned to defend themselves and are deeply afraid of real confrontation so they get their power and illusion of being defended from reality by becoming "therapists" and "taking the high road", there is no high road in real life, if you get disrespected or hurt on purpose, taking the high road wont change what happened to you or that there are people who can get away with that because you did nothing about it.
Brother, who hurt you? The whole point of taking the high road isn't to change what's happened, it's to move past it as it has happened, is history and is an experience you cannot change. But how you react and live on from that is something you can effect, so you focus on this instead of the unchangeable absolute that is driving you nuts mentally, then ridding that weight can really help you improve and thrive as a person.
Yes, actually, plenty of therapists like this exist. You don't exactly need much in the way of professional qualification or standards to be a therapist like this.
Not the tack to take. Open with, "Yes, those are deeply flawed people. But they're here trying to become better, they're here because they don't want to be beating up women and kids."
Name one and he couldn’t. I drove to work today without incident, that’s terrific almost sarcastically as a sentence ender like who really cares not nice to be honest
These are funny clips but if anyone feels like Ray is a hero, you should know that character really is violent to people who do not deserve it also. Like he kills people and so on. He just denies his problem. If we beat anyone who is not nice in our view. Society will not improve but just become violent.
Everyone critiques the therapist. Could you handle his job? Dealing with the types of people he deals with? You expect far, far too much from him, he isnt a magik man. He is however painfully lacking in philosophical depth, but that isnt what he is there for, he isnt there to help people become wise, Ray is wise, but nonetheless acts out, the therapist is not wise but is well behaved and a respectable citizen.
@OldschoolTruths ...it's almost like theatre, drama and art has no use outside of entertainment... It's not a social commentary, it's just exaggerated aspects of humans in a zoo for fun. Great stuff.
@anarmustafayev1555 That is the typical response "No one forced him to a therapist" But someone has to be a therapist. People often have an arrogance of outrage that the job is being done with inadequacy, maybe they should give a go and see how they get on.
There are a lot of excellent shows like this that has come out of Australia. I think the Australian TV industry is highly underrated. The underbelly seasons were top class better than any British TV junk which is woked right out of the universe or the American shows which used to be first class like Breaking bad or the Sopranos but has now all turned to woke shit. The best we can do now is watch reruns that was made a few years back and wait until the woke mind virus is finally dealt with and we can get back to some normality on the telly.
I absolutely love this series. I've seen it twice. But I do wish that the therapist had not been quite so one dimensional. There is an aspect of therapy that can actually be helpful, if the therapist is really empathetic and smart. I'm thinking of movies like Goodwill Hunting. This therapist is just a paper tiger. It's too easy to burn him.
I think it kind of works in the sense of showing how 'normal' people just cannot understand Ray's world. The therapist sees Ray as someone who - on some level - regrets his violence and wants to change. He just cannot comprehend that Ray sees violence very very differently to most people.
Right. But don't say that out loud, or else all of these actual "weak male therapists" in the YT comments section, will get mad at you and explain that not all therapists are weak males and that this whole tv series is just a bad depiction of them. : ) Seriously, the irony is brilliant.
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"Hugo?"
"I managed to drive to work today without incident."
LOL!
More like “cool story bro”😎
In response to Hugo
I love the last guy at the end, "I managed to drive to work today without incident" LOL
I can relate
Let's take a moment to appreciate the acting job of the therapist. Everything about him is spot on. Facial expressions, tone of voice, the works. He plays the role perfectly.
David Michod, he's actually a film director. Directed Animal Kingdom (the original film not TV series), the Rover with Guy Pearce and Robert Pattinson, The King with Timothee Chalamat and War Machine with Brad Pitt. Pretty good performance considering he's not an actor.
@stevecheevers7337 Oh wow. Yeah excellent performance considering.
- "You konow Ray, plenty of mysoginists have had girlfriends and daughters"
- "Name one"
- "World War Two"
lmfao 😂
idgi
"Because people let them get away with it" that is the truth.
I think Ray really wanted to bash the therapist
You would think as a “therapist” he would remember rays “respect” talk.
Like if I had a room full of people prone to violence I would remember what sets each of them off
@@HaratioUK which is exactly the problem with Ray's outlook, respect to some people means subservience. I for one don't want real life to be just like prison.
At the end of the day, the therapist needs a therapist..
Nearly all therapists have or do see a therapist. Everybody should, it's great.
@@bresus-p9g”everybody should” lol what a braindead comment.
@@kaj7135 lol what a braindead response.
@@bresus-p9g Echoing comments is the apex of braindead. Take the L.
@@kaj7135 You've added nothing even remotely insightful to this conversation, so there's nothing for me to lose yet. It sounds like you could probably use a therapist yourself, further proving my original point. I don't know what kind of trauma in your life has caused you to try to pick fights with strangers on the internet, but I hope you are able to face it someday and move on. I do have better things to do than defend myself to a hypocritical troll though, so I'll take my W and bid you adieu.
Ive not watched the full series but my impression of Ray is that he's not necessarily angry, just hostile with no patience for disrespectful behaviour.
That is the point....we are all sick of assholes getting a free ride over this woke shit.
@@chuckthebullpretty sick of people that use “anti woke” as part of their identity myself.
@@xXmennovichXx Sick of people using the woke culture as a weapon like you just did because you have no intellectual courage to not follow the herd.
@@chuckthebull That was weird. I think you should send yourself to "Time out".
I think you hit the nail on the head with that definition. Ray does what most men probably think about doing but then decide not to because of societal norms or because they're cowards, for lack of a better word. Ray does not fly off the handle, he uses violence as a tool. In the whole show Ray only lets emotions overwhelm him twice: after Ally's brother is being an asshole to his daughter, the most precious thing in his life, and when he's chopping the tree after breaking up with Ally.
Ray is my kinda people
It actually did this time. Got rid of a girl friend that tolerated her punk ass brother
You could make a series just out of Ray going to these meetings, it would be fucking awesome.
I love how Ray genuinely answers questions and engages, but also isn't willing to be pushed on his principles.
The others are embarrassed about their actions and Ray os unremorseful so from the therapists perspective he thinks he should make Ray feel pressured
Therapist needs therapy.
One of the most underrated series ever. A Brilliant watch for anyone who hasn't seen it.
The therapist really sees himself as superior to his patients 😅
That's what I love about this series, nobody is perfect. Nobody has the perfect argument.
You're half way in-between Ray and the Therapist in terms of their logic.
Both annoy you slightly, neither you fully agree with.
I definitely lean way closer to Ray. I'm just not interested in solving everything with violence unless it's absolutely the last resort.
The therapist is understanding with everyone but seriously judgmental of Ray, i thought he wasn't supposed to discriminate? And he also let's everyone finish speaking except for Ray, responding with things which are judgmental and that would aggravate a person who doesn't have anger issues while this is supposed to be a anger management session.. Like is Ray so different then the others that this is the correct technique or is this therapist just horrible at his job?
Also many "great" mysogonists? 😅
Yes it's all part of the comedy
@davconelectric No i knew that but also in a realistic view?
Yeah but not all therapists are good at what they’re supposed to do.
I mean Ray immediately started a fist fight during his first visit lmao, the therapist had nothing to do with it
The others were "playing along" and responding as they thought they were supposed to (as is the usual reaction when an alternative is possibly worse.)
Ray wouldn't play that game, and the psych just never experiences that enough to know how to deal with it, instead falls back on the "how to" text's he was told to read at uni.
I've been seeing psychs (aka "therapists") for decades (due to depression) and my experience is if it doesn't fit the script, they're lost.
One said, "oh well, some people just aren't meant to be happy I guess", another said "just take an "emotional holiday", but could not explain what that actually was, or how to achieve it. The last said "I don't think I can help you.. but I'm happy to talk with you" with the rates he was charging, I guess he was very happy to have a paid chat. Myself and Veterans Affairs.. not so much.
The Therapist was lucky Ray didn't give him his smile....
I was waiting for Ray to say to the therapist that he'd have less of an attitude if he thought he might get bashed in the carpark for it.
we all hated the therapist which shows how good of an actor this guy is!
Exactly
Yep
No-one seems to have noticed that the therapist is played by David Michod, writer and director of Animal Kingdom, The Rover, The King and War Machine.
This guy is a terrible therapist
I think there are more bad therapists than good ones😂😂
@@stevenantunovic6073a LOT more.
Ray, The hero no-one asked for but everyone needed.
No question Ray makes some good points. But bashing his girlfriends brother over taking a unicorn at a gift exchange shows he does have an anger problem. His answer to why there are so many assholes is gold though.
I don't think is was the simple fact that the brother refused to give Ray the Unicorn after the gift exchange. If I remember correctly, Ray bought that Unicorn specifically to give to his daughter as a gift, so the fact that the brother refused to give it back, made it feel more akin to him stealing his daughters present. I don't think Ray would have reacted as he did if it was anyone/something else... But as far as his daughter is concerned, he's a dad and loves her, so I think his response was justified.
Hang on, it was not "just" any old unicorn, it was a pink one.
To be fair to Ray, he didn't immediately resort to violence. He tried to talk to him man to man and ask him as a favour to give the present back to his daughter. Hell he even offered to buy the present from him. The brother escalated the whole thing.
@@IanRB26 Completely agree. I nominate Ray for the next Nobel Peace Prize.
Yeah. If someone bashed Ray, he'd be less of an arsehole.
God that therapist might as well give up 😂
He may resort to violence.
a fight at a anger managment class now thats funny
A bit like Christophers intervention in the Sopranos
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They needed to finish the therapists arc by him being assaulted outside a business some where and have Ray walks by and just watches. Not helping, just watching the guy getting trounced. Afterward he can explain to the therapist that violence wasn’t the answer
I really love ray. He's a good actor . I enjoy watching him deliver his dialog. I love his acting because he acts very natural... I love you ray!!!!
Ray's blinking is so expressive
Rays character is just awesome. Very a matter of fact, pulls no punches. Well, maybe some punches. But only when necessary 😉
And they had it coming.
No he throws a lot of punches. If he pulled more of them he wouldn't be in these sessions. lol
@benvoeller8946 good one...
Terrible 'therapist'
"You heard what I said."
Said with a smile should have been clear indicator you're talking to an assassin.
That literally makes no sense. Someone in an anger management class who smiles at you during an argument is automatically an ASSASSIN?
@@SHINIGAMI_CHIKUBI69havn’t actually watched the show hey dummy.
The difference between bullies and violent men
The therapist was really a dick in how he conducted himself, like he was so much better than the people he is supposed to be helping.
He wasn't raised around low expectations, or visceral violence, and can't relate, or understand, those that are. At this edge of the extremes, it's almost like separate species, moving passed each other in the dimming light.
"I managed to drive to work today...without incident."
Great ending line.
"I managed to drive to work today without incident" "That's terrific" Therapist is out of his depth with Ray, but man, look at the usual calibre of dude he's dealing with, lol
"Hey, that's nothing, I watched a whole episode of Mr In Between without bashing up my ....".
Yup, Ray's a complete (although high functioning) sociopath to be quite honest, he should be able to run rings round a basic therapist.
I feel like sometime in this tv series that therapist is going to end up being assaulted by Ray...
Show already ended. Also Ray is kind of reasonable, he wouldn't do something stupid like that.
i wonder how many men relate with Ray and his views ...
Most of us
Most, thing is, very often its better for yourself to just let things slide. Prison and graveyards, filled with people that couldn’t. A lot of this agression will fade if you have children for example, not worth it.
Im not sure I know any man that disagrees with any of his views..Men created a safe world, problem is we basically made a world where were not needed.
@@xXmennovichXx letting things slide, is exactly why we are in this shit
@@xXmennovichXx Yeah sure. But then there are the times that we have children and families because we didn't let it slide. It is a balance. A difficult balance.
Therapist role is well acted, and written with more sympathy than might be expected. He actually scores a few points in an unwinnable contest.
I managed to drive to work today without incident. Hilarious.
Ray is the therapist!
Hes like a... level headed, sober, trevor. Lol nah?
Nah, Trevor is a psycho. Ray very much has a conscience.
@@dannythompson1948
So, a “level headed, sober” version.
I thought the therapy stuff wasn’t as well written as most of the rest of the show. Don’t know if it was the actor or just how the character was written but the therapist was overly smug and obnoxious, really unrealistic for an actual therapist who’re non judgemental and professional. A bit of weird anti woke bait shit in this show as well, like the therapist obnoxiously calling Ray a misogynist and angling Tatiana’s new girlfriend as an angry lesbian feminist. Otherwise a pretty down to earth show. Bruce’s storyline is insanely well acted, genuinely teared up a lot at the conclusion of that.
Agreed. The friction between the therapist and Ray (and exclusively Ray for w/e reason) just felt a bit forced.
Apparently you've never been attached to a "therapist" like this. Its ironic, because they are about 75% of all "therapists" today. Or - maybe - you are a therapist. Or at least attached to the industry. Which means you probably have an enormous blind spot. Lastly, these therapists are literally trained to go after the "alpha in the room" bc if they don't, that alpha will set the tone and hinders their ability to progress the group. Oh, and don't believe me, this is coming from my board-certified neuro psychologist wife with 20 yrs experience.
@@deeohen8344 So have you and/or your wife met 75% of therapists working today?
I’m in the field as well on an academic and work place capacity now and it’s true there’s so much pandering and buzz words. It’s hard to find an actual therapist and not someone who’s also a political activist. It’s a real issue in the field now. It also doesn’t help therapist and the studies the practice is based off are usually women. It’s known there’s issues with generalizability as men and women react differently in therapy but it’s female centered and been like that since Freud
@@deeohen8344 ‘therapists are literally trained to go after the alpha in the room’, ‘75% of therapists are insufferably obnoxious to their clients’. Mate just don’t even.
Bring back Ray.
The balls on ray to call them out for hitting kids and women. Geezer
what is this streaming on
Hulu
Not enough things
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The issue with the therapist character is that it is by no means mimicking an actual therapist. Instead, this character is a condescending and judgmental piece of garbage. Seems like it was written by a person who has a personal vendetta against therapists. An awful character.
The show Seems to be showing the 'woke' side of therapy. hard at work looking down on someone for doing what everyone knows is right we need more ray's here in the usa. Im with ray if someone bumped into a little kid and didnt apologize... ray did great in that moment. I know I will hear it but that's OK. Sorry for a disjointed comment. I had to take out so much more and didn't go back and rewrite the whole thing.
100% accurate. It’s disturbing how many smoothbrains are defending him. Must be just as shitty as him.
Is Guy Pearce one of the guys?
I think Ray wanted to bash the therapist
that would have made for a great episode hahaha
Dude talks like a redditor. His only “advice” to those guys is to never have any self-respect for themselves. My favorite part is when he calls Ray a “misogynist” for telling basic irrefutable facts. lol
It's irrefutable that if women sleep with multiple men she's destined to chest in a relationship? That's irrefutable?
@@Morgan-xe4gz Almost always
@@Morgan-xe4gz Do you really think that if this woman who has slept with 30-40 men would suddenly stop cheating even when the guy has further stated that she likes the attention?
@@Morgan-xe4gz…Yes. Time for you to parachute down from cloud cuckoo land and join the rest of us living in reality.
@TheMinipily It's his insecurities that makes her think that she will cheat. She has never actually cheated, at least as far as I know. I've roughly slept with 30 women but, but I've been in a happy relationship for two years now. Why couldn't a woman do this?
Ray is the only guy that I'd run like hell if he smiled at me.
only if his eyebrows are raised while he´s smiling at you ^^
The writing for the therapist scenes is a bit cringe and out of place with the honest writing of the rest of the show. Reminds me of the crappy writing on afterlife, overly contrived in making the protagonist seem ever so correct and rolling his eyes at society
It is, but it definitely shows that Ray would be better served by one-on-one therapy as his primary concern is not being shown as weak to others. The therapist also is not very good at his job as written, which may also be the point as it is often the case for these court ordered services
@Rhugor yeah fair points, I just felt it was handled in a heavy handed manner writing wise, which is a shame as the rest of the series goes into nuance seamlessly
@@ianaspinall7948 I don't disagree with you either, as a guy having to run these very groups fairly often for work lol (and tried very hard to be more effective than this guy!)
"Shiva," and then it's revealed that stereotypical academic-minded, sincere Indian 🙂
The guy sounds Australian 😅
The world is full of arsehols who deserve a slap😂
I love this show and the general values and morals it obviously pushes, but I think these group therapy sessions get therapy all wrong. The guy in charge of the group is clearly depicted as a soft, lame, and unreasonable guy. I think ray is wrong and you can’t just go around slapping people. When you do you wind up losing things like really important relationships or losing important time with your daughter in jail. It’s probably the only weak point of the whole show to me. Therapy works. Not everyone who acts like an asshole is a nazi. Violence can be helpful sometimes.
Ray is fundamentally right though, in that if you permit bad behaviour to go unpunished, then it will likely persist at a societal level. If someone gets up in your face about something totally idiotic and unreasonable, turning the other way more likely than not won't make that individual less than an arsehole.
@ I have some bad news man, bad behavior already is a guarantee in society and slapping around one snotty teen will just as much embolden the next teen as it may deter them. It’s about understanding what you can and cannot control.
The therapist isn’t just depicted as soft, lame and unreasonable, he IS all those things. Ray gave those other guys immensely better advice than he ever did.
"I think ray is wrong and you can’t just go around slapping people. --- It’s probably the only weak point of the whole show to me. Therapy works. Not everyone who acts like an asshole is a nazi. Violence can be helpful sometimes."
wtf are you actually talking about
you managed to contradict yourself twice
@@21Liberdade Vigilante 'justice' simply begets more vigilante 'justice' as the initial perpetrator or their friends seek revenge against the initial vigilante. That's how we end up with family feuds lasting generations.
A interesting study..But i think unfortunately many an Therapist is speaking from a lofty position in a Ivory Tower..
U could have the most decent,easy going,Law abiding person get set upon by someone nasty or a fkn Loon ( on a Bus,train,in the street,it could happen anywhere).And their very decency may also have contributed to their downfall& ( that person) could easily be a Therapist.
Now if a guy with Ray's Propensity for violence could be summoned at will or appeared & saved the day,would this moralizer still pick their motives (and chosen method of dealing with those that deserve it)apart, in such a condescending,judgemental & disgusted manner? Or would that violence be ' Good violence' or ' acceptable violence '
So as they say hindsight is 20/20..
And i like that saying ' Life can only be understood looking backwards& lived forwards- As in life is made up of series of events & decisions only made sense of in hindsight,but at present navigated in real time..- So true..
Not the right group for Ray. These are non-men and that disgusts him as it should.
Justified, Support!
10:15 - 11:06 therapist is trolling
That's not trolling. It's just a very unhealthy mix of arrogance and ignorance.
Not trolling, he’s just a delusional coward living in his own cozy bubble.
"Name one"
*Surprise Pikachu*
Is this a film or TV series
Mr Inbetween tv show
Brilliant and underrated TV series. Ray is one of he greatest TV characters
series,watch it,very good!
This was always the weakest part of the show for me. The therapist is a strawman, providing stupid, exaggerated, base level thoughts so that Ray can destroy him with "facts and logic."
It's totally unrealistic and it's only purpose is to let the shows creators live out this strange fantasy where their world views are all correct and anybody who opposes them is a dim witted soft moron who can't form a coherent rebuttal.
& which facts & logic triggered you specifically
Good way of putting it
im guessing mallum has a gf who um went out on him, maybe more than a few times.
These types of therapists are insufferable pricks who were either bullied or never learned to defend themselves and are deeply afraid of real confrontation so they get their power and illusion of being defended from reality by becoming "therapists" and "taking the high road", there is no high road in real life, if you get disrespected or hurt on purpose, taking the high road wont change what happened to you or that there are people who can get away with that because you did nothing about it.
Dude, it's an actor not a therapist.
Brother, who hurt you? The whole point of taking the high road isn't to change what's happened, it's to move past it as it has happened, is history and is an experience you cannot change. But how you react and live on from that is something you can effect, so you focus on this instead of the unchangeable absolute that is driving you nuts mentally, then ridding that weight can really help you improve and thrive as a person.
sounds like someone's wife left him too hahaha
Look at all the replies from the therapy simps who got triggered, because their soft science got called out. ahhhhhahahaha
@@Political_Brainrot_Auditor "Soft science" there are ton of things you could criticise therapy for but you sound like you would know none of them.
damn it I really wanted to see Ray vs. the rapist compilation
Yes, actually, plenty of therapists like this exist. You don't exactly need much in the way of professional qualification or standards to be a therapist like this.
True, though my local dugs councillor is well qualified, biggest stoner I have ever met.🤣🤣🤣
Well, I'll give Ray an "A" for participation.
Not the tack to take. Open with, "Yes, those are deeply flawed people. But they're here trying to become better, they're here because they don't want to be beating up women and kids."
What if it’s court appointed?
@@grassmonkeyO5 It very well could be. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't try and rehabilitate these people (not saying you aren't saying that)
Thank you Ray for doing a favor to the society. 🤷
like this scene
The therapist is 1 sided towards Ray and empathetic towards everyone else, which is bias. Ray's not perfect but he is like some men in the World
Name one and he couldn’t. I drove to work today without incident, that’s terrific almost sarcastically as a sentence ender like who really cares not nice to be honest
Shoulda just said Trump.
Worlds shittest therapist
These are funny clips but if anyone feels like Ray is a hero, you should know that character really is violent to people who do not deserve it also. Like he kills people and so on. He just denies his problem. If we beat anyone who is not nice in our view. Society will not improve but just become violent.
Nah m8. Pretty sure they had it coming.
He’s a contract killer. He also has morals and refuses contracts when things arnt right. Have you even watched the show?
Everyone critiques the therapist.
Could you handle his job?
Dealing with the types of people he deals with?
You expect far, far too much from him, he isnt a magik man.
He is however painfully lacking in philosophical depth, but that isnt what he is there for, he isnt there to help people become wise, Ray is wise, but nonetheless acts out, the therapist is not wise but is well behaved and a respectable citizen.
Er, hello, its NOT REAL, its a drama for entertainment only.
@OldschoolTruths
...it's almost like theatre, drama and art has no use outside of entertainment...
It's not a social commentary, it's just exaggerated aspects of humans in a zoo for fun.
Great stuff.
Nobody forced him to become a therapist, he became one because of who he is on the base level of his being.
@anarmustafayev1555
That is the typical response
"No one forced him to a therapist"
But someone has to be a therapist.
People often have an arrogance of outrage that the job is being done with inadequacy, maybe they should give a go and see how they get on.
yes because he is not doing his job. He can't even make out the difference between Ray beating someone who was bullying him and wife bashers
Love practical realism with an honerable fist. Talk leader is Woke but hasn't seen light of day.
touch grass
@@SentientBasilExactly, the therapist should get out of his books and into the real world. Not wander in protected spheres either.
@@Google-Username shut up
@@SentientBasil😂Take your own advice Basil.
@@SentientBasilcornball
There are a lot of excellent shows like this that has come out of Australia. I think the Australian TV industry is highly underrated. The underbelly seasons were top class better than any British TV junk which is woked right out of the universe or the American shows which used to be first class like Breaking bad or the Sopranos but has now all turned to woke shit. The best we can do now is watch reruns that was made a few years back and wait until the woke mind virus is finally dealt with and we can get back to some normality on the telly.
I used to be like that. I was a dangerous MF. Not anymore.
Brother. You/we are still dangerous. We just control it now.
Yeah, Ray's a bit of a puff really.
Your projection is showing.
@kaj7135 Guess so. 😘
Therapistes = priests of wokeism !!!
I absolutely love this series. I've seen it twice. But I do wish that the therapist had not been quite so one dimensional. There is an aspect of therapy that can actually be helpful, if the therapist is really empathetic and smart. I'm thinking of movies like Goodwill Hunting.
This therapist is just a paper tiger. It's too easy to burn him.
I think it kind of works in the sense of showing how 'normal' people just cannot understand Ray's world.
The therapist sees Ray as someone who - on some level - regrets his violence and wants to change. He just cannot comprehend that Ray sees violence very very differently to most people.
god that therapist is the definition of a weak male, why are those things allowed power over others? it cant defend his family its itself
Right. But don't say that out loud, or else all of these actual "weak male therapists" in the YT comments section, will get mad at you and explain that not all therapists are weak males and that this whole tv series is just a bad depiction of them. : )
Seriously, the irony is brilliant.
@@deeohen8344true. But Don’t worry about the beta males. I doubt you do. 👍🏼.