If you know God and He knows you (theosis), then loving God with all your heart and soul and strength is normal and loving your neighbor as yourself is normal.
Father, can you explain the differences with salvation in thewestern church, and theosis in the east? My understanding is that salvation in the west doesn't mean becoming heirs of God etc like we believe, and more just worship. Can you comment on this please
@AncientFaithMinistries yes, basically we believe we will become god like and everything that entails whixh inclues being saved, whereas the catholic church believes in salvation i.e I assume just getting to heaven and not inheriting what theosis believes, and oriental orthodox believing in sanctification, similarly I assume to the protestant understanding (minus the once saved always saved mantra)
@ here is the link to the upcoming stream, you can click the “notify me” bell button and it will alert you: ruclips.net/user/live8gz_Ajmmc-E?si=fC8a_kcyffmHqPZ2
If you are REALY interested in Christ's salvation, don't you worry about neither one of the two - Protestant Understanding or the Orthodox View of Theosis. Rather worry about the words of Christ, in His Bible as He tells us in John 12:48 that we'll be judged by them.
1 Timothy 3:15.....the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth. Its the church not a bible verse taken out of context. If you take the bible out of the church you lose its meaning. Proof is the thousands of registered denominations in Protestantism. Give 1000 men 1000 bibles, and you will have 1000 interpretations. The Bible is within the tradition of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church and was that way for the first 1000 years (one church) and that one church is still here today referred to as the Orthodox Church or Eastern Orthodox Church.
@@Donnielucas77 Help me to understand your sayings, please, by answering this one question. Which one of the two is greater: - Jesus, the Son of God the Creator of the whole creation, THE ONE who BUILT the Church Himself (John 16:18)? - Or the Church that is built by Him, by God of Heaven? After answering this question, we may can continue - if you want.
@ Well. Let me answer your question with a question...do you believe there is dichotomy between Christ and the Church? When Christ appeared to Paul and was asked "who are you?" Jesus identified himself as "I am Jesus who you are persecuting " Paul was persecuting the church. Christ identified as this church. He is the Head. You cannot separate the head from the body. Maybe we both agree to this?
@@Donnielucas77 I DO certainly agree with you, and I like it the most when it comes to the logical truth that Jesus can NOT be separated by His (pay, please, the given attention to the pronoun HIS) Church. And, especially to Him being its had. Yes, I DO agree to this 100%. Now is my turn to ask, and yours to answer. If Jesus is THE HEAD, and BECAUSE He IS the head - as you yourself put it too very well - and the Church is His body, who is commanding whom: is the body that commands the Head? Or rather the Head that commands the body?
@ good discussion friend. My answer is the church (his body) is governed by the Holy spirit. Just as we read in acts 15. And His church will not be defeated or overcome by hell. The rock Christ built His church on is Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, then He further gave us Apostles, etc for the church.
as you understand it???? the doctrine is Justification , Sanctification, and Glorification. Only God can save the lost and he does so by his own hand by the Holy Spirit.
God saving the lost by the Holy Spirit is not at odds with the doctrine of Theosis. Specifically, which point of distinction that Fr. Evan brought up in the video are you disagreeing with?
I am so grateful for finding Orthodoxy and learning what theosis is.
Amin! ☦☦☦
Amém
If you know God and He knows you (theosis), then loving God with all your heart and soul and strength is normal and loving your neighbor as yourself is normal.
Father, can you explain the differences with salvation in thewestern church, and theosis in the east?
My understanding is that salvation in the west doesn't mean becoming heirs of God etc like we believe, and more just worship. Can you comment on this please
Are you asking about the end result of salvation? I can send your question to Fr. Evan when he is next live this coming Sunday evening.
@AncientFaithMinistries yes, basically we believe we will become god like and everything that entails whixh inclues being saved, whereas the catholic church believes in salvation i.e I assume just getting to heaven and not inheriting what theosis believes, and oriental orthodox believing in sanctification, similarly I assume to the protestant understanding (minus the once saved always saved mantra)
@@Fac35437 thanks, I will send this question in next Sunday evening.
@AncientFaithMinistries can you somehow tag me or alert me wheb father releases the video please, I'm overseas
@ here is the link to the upcoming stream, you can click the “notify me” bell button and it will alert you: ruclips.net/user/live8gz_Ajmmc-E?si=fC8a_kcyffmHqPZ2
Do you delete comments?
Not unless the comment is personally insulting the presenter. RUclips will automatically hide your comment if it contains swear words though.
If you are REALY interested in Christ's salvation, don't you worry about neither one of the two - Protestant Understanding or the Orthodox View of Theosis. Rather worry about the words of Christ, in His Bible as He tells us in John 12:48 that we'll be judged by them.
1 Timothy 3:15.....the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress
of the truth.
Its the church not a bible verse taken out of context. If you take the bible out of the church you lose its meaning.
Proof is the thousands of registered denominations in Protestantism. Give 1000 men 1000 bibles, and you will have 1000 interpretations.
The Bible is within the tradition of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church and was that way for the first 1000 years (one church) and that one church is still here today referred to as the Orthodox Church or Eastern Orthodox Church.
@@Donnielucas77 Help me to understand your sayings, please, by answering this one question.
Which one of the two is greater:
- Jesus, the Son of God the Creator of the whole creation, THE ONE who BUILT the Church Himself (John 16:18)?
- Or the Church that is built by Him, by God of Heaven?
After answering this question, we may can continue - if you want.
@ Well. Let me answer your question with a question...do you believe there is dichotomy between Christ and the Church? When Christ appeared to Paul and was asked "who are you?" Jesus identified himself as "I am Jesus who you are persecuting "
Paul was persecuting the church. Christ identified as this church. He is the Head. You cannot separate the head from the body.
Maybe we both agree to this?
@@Donnielucas77 I DO certainly agree with you, and I like it the most when it comes to the logical truth that Jesus can NOT be separated by His (pay, please, the given attention to the pronoun HIS) Church. And, especially to Him being its had. Yes, I DO agree to this 100%.
Now is my turn to ask, and yours to answer.
If Jesus is THE HEAD, and BECAUSE He IS the head - as you yourself put it too very well - and the Church is His body, who is commanding whom: is the body that commands the Head? Or rather the Head that commands the body?
@ good discussion friend. My answer is the church (his body) is governed by the Holy spirit. Just as we read in acts 15. And His church will not be defeated or overcome by hell. The rock Christ built His church on is Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, then He further gave us Apostles, etc for the church.
as you understand it???? the doctrine is Justification , Sanctification, and Glorification. Only God can save the lost and he does so by his own hand by the Holy Spirit.
God saving the lost by the Holy Spirit is not at odds with the doctrine of Theosis. Specifically, which point of distinction that Fr. Evan brought up in the video are you disagreeing with?