Interesting Fact: The M8 Greyhound is still in service in other countries with Colombia operating modernized versions of the M8 replacing the 37mm gun with an M2 50 cal and a TOW missle launcher!
That's good and also parts you mentioned that are attached on that could be good for a future video like the TOW missile and M2 Browning and also may look into this type of vehicle that's still doing a number from WWII to the present day Technical's (Vehicle) basically it's taking a civilian vehicle more notably a jeep or truck and slapping guns on it usually the back not very much armor but really have quick drive anyway look that up and tell JJ all about that as well.
@@emgab1481yeah but also I don’t think Colombia really needs to fight a lot of tanks, they probably need to do a lot of patrolling to fight like FARC or narcos, so probably a lot of patrolling in remote areas and light infantry stuff rather than armored warfare. I figure maybe in that case an m8 might be all you need, though I’m sure theres alternatives
The Greyhound had a second career in postwar west Germany with the Federal Border Guard, though there the 37mm was removed and the turret was armed with an MG42 (the BGS called it MG 42 even if in 7,62mm NATO) only. The BGS contrary to the the Bundeswehr retained Wehrmacht style helmets and uniforms, but armored cars were the only armored vehicles available. These were later replaced by british Saladin and Saracen cars. The alert police battalions of the state police also used these for a short while, also with MG only armament. I guess these vehicles came directly from US army stock.
Sounds like something the Swiss would do too. Edit: surprised to see the Swiss didn't use it. Neither did Denmark or Ireland but almost any other western european country did. The Swiss used the Staghound armoured car it seems.
That's also hard to imagine and also speaking of German MG's may want to tell Johnson about the Mg's the Luftwaffe was using in it's planes like the MG-15 as another idea for a video or this lesser known one MG-13 before the likes of MG-34 and 42 arrived also told in another channel about it anyway may want to have a look or as they say now Google it.
@johnnyjohnsonesq The bundesgrenzschutz (BGS) are especially fascinating to me in their earliest iterations during the 50s since they essentially just used debadged Wehrmacht uniforms and helmets, as well as WW2 camo patterns and equipment like the Zeltbahn for a long time, along with even WW2 weapons such as the typical K98k and MP40 (in few numbers as parts were becoming hard to find), but even some odder choices like French and Italian submachine guns such as the MAB38/MP1. More interestingly is that the K98 rifles the BGS used were made by the French. 18,000 of them. The Greyhound also even had a version used by the BGS called the Zobel, which had the turret removed to fit a semi enclosed 20mm auto cannon, although I’m not sure on how many were created.
@@antiquatedideas1107 For that it's really fascinating and may want to tell JJ about the including those K98 rifles or if you're looking for more modern weapons or like the Cold War infamous AK-47, RPG-7, DSHK machine gun, PKM, M2 Browning and M-14 rifles really hit the bill among more recent fodder like those Technicals I mentioned earlier including this conflict known as the Toyota Wars. Anyway really check it out it's nuts among others. Even the B-52 and TU-95 bombers can be good too.
My Dad, a WWII vet, loved the M8 - based on the standard 6x6 truck - he spoke about it often and never called it a Greyhound. He was a radioman in the 3rd Inf. Div.
The M88 Greyhound was nicknamed "Patton's Ghost" because they can sneak into the countryside off-road. The most infamous of this ambushes was during the Bulge. A greyhound managed to knocked out a king tiger point blank.
The M8 Greyhound has always been my favorite world war II vehicle, I have A cobi m8 greyhound set that I got a while ago and in my free time I'll drive it around my house and pretend that I'm on a mission to find my cats. Very fun!
At 1:03 if that set looks familiar it's because that is the exterior set for Hogan's Hero's, which was used and subsequently destroyed during the production of that movie
Yeah, that Tiger kill is a myth. It's been repeated so many times, it's taken as fact. The M6 37 gun cant penetrate the armor of a Tiger at any range, even point blank at the rear. The Germans didn't have any Tigers in the St Vith area at the time. Only one German unit that was in combat in The Battle of the Bulge, Schwere Panzer Abteilung 301, had Tigers. None of them were lost at St Vith. The crew of the M8 never claimed they killed a Tiger. An officer of a nearby infantry unit, Captain S. H. Anstey, said it. It was quite common for Pz. IVs to be mistaken for Tiger tanks. That is what most likely happened.
8/10 for the puns at the end. Well done. I find it interesting that today regular civilian cars have engines with 2-3x as much horsepower as armored cars from the war. Technology, right?
It’s funny when they talk about engines used in tanks and stuff and they are really weak compared to what you’d expect. The tech really has improved a lot.
@@AdamantLightLP Horsepower and torque are generated differently. If you want high speed then you need high RPM and high RPM generate high HP. To get those high revs you make your pistons oversquare, that is the diameter is larger than the stroke or the piston is wider than the con-rod is long, that way the piston moves a short distance on its power-stroke before returning. If you want high torque then you need a long lever-effect. To get that lever-effect you make your stroke (con-rod) longer than your piston diameter. The piston travels a long distance on its power-stroke before returning. That's why two identical capacity engines with the same number of valves can have such widely differing performance. Those old engines were designed to move masses of metal, torque was far more important than revs and horsepower.
@SeanDahle Although it's a great story, the account itself is very dubious with records that doesn't support the event other than accounts. Tank Encyclopedia went into depth debunking the myth.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsqThere is somerhing I don't get. Why do some games(like war thunder) present penetration much higher than often stated? For example 89mm vs 60mm for this gun.
@@novkorova2774 Johnnys number seems to be based directly on the specification for 450m. The WT number you are quoting is for point blank range. As in literally touching the enemy tank. However those are not the only numbers. The British penetration table shows very different results much closer to the WT numbers including possible 80mm penetration at point blank range. In general WT doesn't use historical sources for the pen but seems to simulate the shells and base the pen on that.
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To be fair late war Germany was had run out of supplies of the necessary alloying metals required to make high quality Armour plate add to their method of hardening the plates this lead to problems with armour being brittle, with inconsistent quality (check out the Australian Armour and Artillery museum's channel for their restoration of a Jagpanther where one of the restores complain about the problems welding the inconsistent plates) and if you look at a lot of pictures of damaged German tanks you will see the armour has cracked around the impact site. So from point blank to the tinner rear turret an rear armour taking multiple rapid hits I don't think it is imposable for the armour of a Tiger to have failed plus there is a lot of wiggle room for the definition of "Knocked Out"
Germany changed their manufacturing method and increased thickness by up to 5mm to make up for the lack of materials. Most pictures of cracked plates you see have been fired at dozens of times. The whole Grayhound story was debunked completely long ago.
During in korean war,In the ROK army, the M8 Greyhound was operated as an armored vehicle that could also be used for radio relays, but because they knew they could not deal with it, they used it to engage the T-34/85, and so the 27 Greyhounds that were directly under the Army Headquarters, in greyhound's were destroyed or It was abandoned , or were used to suppress communist guerrillas in the rear. and ultimately all M8 Greyhounds belonging to the ROK Army were lost. In the early stages of the Korean War, There is also a story that two Greyhounds taking cover on the other side of the river linked up and one of them destroyed the tracks of a T-34, aimed at the T-34 crew who had opened their hatch, and fired a 37mm armor-piercing bullet into the hatch, destroying it. This can be quickly understood by looking at the internal photos of the T-34. Due to the characteristics of the Christie suspension, the iron bars encroach on some of the crew area, which is because they are suspension bars. Also, T-34's considering the lack of ventilation and the hatch on the front, and the fact that drivers fired the gun during battle and opened the driver's hatch to release gas through the hatch, there were frequent cases of destruction during WW2, it is not impossible. Greyhound went out to the 8th Division in Gangneung to relay the radio message, and there was a story that the communication was good with the Namsan Armored Regiment communication center in Seoul, and that in order to raise morale, they called the armored car a tank and went around to various units before the war broke out, saying, "We have so many tanks!" Considering that the Greyhounds were bluffing in this way and that uneducated commanders often thought "guns on -> movement -> tanks" and sent them in, it seems somewhat convincing that the Greyhounds were able to destroy the T-34s in the Battle of Chuncheon, which was somehow a battle.
My unit has one of these on display outside of a squadron headquarters building. Every year we do a “Cav Week” which is like a week long unit birthday celebration, a couple years ago I was waiting at a red light at a four way intersection on base and saw it drive by on the main road. I had to have a double take, very funny to see haha
In the hallway of our barracks in Germany, there were photos of M8 Greyhounds performing recon duties for the 3rd Armor Div. during WW2. The M8 was an excellent recon vehicle, being small, fast, and relatively well armed!
Didn’t one knock out a jagtiger in an urban setting once? Got behind it at close range and put one up,the exhaust pipe, so to speak. Or did I imagine that one? Nice one JJ:) like to stay but I’ve ……..galgo! Get it? Galgo?
I've heard that tall tale in all kinds of versions. Most commonly it's with a King Tiger as the victim. The story goes the M8 crew were cooling their heels hidden off the side of a road when a single German tank went past them and didn't see the Greyhound. The only way this makes much sense to me is if the tank was in fact a King Tiger or Panther, both of which have hatches on the back side of their turrets for tossing out spend rounds and for crew egress. They passed by and the M8 sneaks out on to the road right behind them. The only way this works is if that back hatch was open and the M8 crew proceeded to pump 37mm, 30cal and 50cal rounds directly inside the turret. That would end that German crew's day in a hurry. It could have also been a Jagdtiger, also have a large square hatch in the rear of the superstructure.
Lovely video! Looking forward to the one on the F-86 Sabre. I'd also be interested in a video on the M48 Patton, and if there's even enough footage, one on the experimental Chrysler TV-8, the only tank designed to be powered by a nuclear reactor.
Hello again Johnny johnson Colombia , Mexico & Ecuador are some of the Notable users of the M8 Greyhound. Colombia & Ecuador uses the M45 Quadmount on their M8 Greyhound. Also Colombia has a TOW version. Mexico has replaced the 37mm Anti Tank Gun with a 20mm GIAT Autocannon. Also Fact ,The Brazilian Engesa EE-9 Cascavel & later the EE-11 Urutu are further derived from Prototype models based on M-8 Greyhound .
Anyone else love seeing these videos and realising weird vehicles in great films are some kind of bizarre modification of vehicles you've since come to be very interested in?? I ask because my love of film began way before i got interested in armoured vehicles!
Here’s a fact Mexico still uses the M8 Greyhound as part of its mechanized forces along with M2 and M9 half tracks for I believe Divisions 6 and 7 although they replaced the 37mm gun with a 20mm autocannon
I know the account of the Grayhound taking out a Tiger II always makes me want to cry fowl. Basically story goes a grayhound snuck up behind one and fired a few shots into the rear until it burst into flames. Issue with that story is, the Tiger II is better armored in the rear than it is even on the sides. Being it's 80mm sloped armor. Basically it's better protected in the rear than a Sherman tank is from the front, and a 3.7cm gun should struggle vs that. The 3.7cm gun on the grayhound with it's highest penetrating ammunition would still struggle even against 80mm flat plate let alone sloped. Even weak spots in that rear armor has casted steel even thicker than the rear plate protecting it like the holes for the exhaust being a good example the cast steel protecting the entry/exit holes of the exhaust is very thick. That being said, based on the account though, it's more likely the tank that was destroyed was a Panther tank. A Grayhound should have little issue based on how the story was told, to have knocked out a Panther tank in this manor. They have exposed fuel tanks in the rear of the tank, and the rear armor itself is only 40mm thick. 3.7cm might have some issues, but repeated shots would insure many penetrations let alone a shot into the exposed fuel tanks. Which for many panther models didn't even have armor plating for some dumb reason. Being a Panther and Tiger II have a similar hull design, I wouldn't be surprised if it's mistaken identity. Basically I can see a Grayhound successfully knocking out any German tank from shots to the rear but the Tiger I and II. There are some places where a Grayhound could penetrate a Tiger I but they're on the sides not the rear. Tiger II doesn't have those vulnerabilities though. US GIs didn't exactly have a great understanding on how to identify what they were fighting. One of my favorites was a field report where the officer called all German Tanks Panthers, or would say Panther IV, and Panther V. Instead of Panzer.
German Panthers and both Tiger versions had hatches on the back of the turret for throwing out spent casings. I could see a Greyhound or Stuart putting a 37 through an open hatch...not saying that's what happened. Just that it's within the realm of possibility.
The 37mm could penetrate the armor of a Panther from anywhere but the front when the impact angle was high. The armor on these cutouts is also less effective, so it’s quite possible that a 37mm would penetrate the armor when hitting near the edge of a hatch, even on a Tiger. While it’s not very common, a light vehicle can easily outmaneuver a heavy vehicle at close range and disabled it. Of course that generally doesn’t happen because medium and heavy tanks would be accompanied by many more vehicles.
One did kill a Tiger tank. The M8 was in hiding next to a road, the tiger and the M8 left it's hiding spot and cam up behind the Tiger firing its 37mm right into it's engine compartment several times. The tank screeched to a halt and the crew ran into the woods. The Sergeant in charge of the M8 received the Army Legion of Merit Award I believe.
It didn't, there's 0 proof to back it up, while there's an ocean of proof to prove it didn't. Neither German nor Allied documentation aligns with the claimed kill.
An hint about its early use as TD could be argued by the open top turret, that was usual on the M10/M36 and M18. This feature caused a lot of troubles to the crews, expecially when, after the war, was used in COIN roles, as by the french in Indochina, some added thin metal's roofs on their turrets, to avoid being hit by splinters , or worst, by an incendiary bottle thrown by insurgents.
Huh. So the Die Hard armored vehicle was actually lite military tech. Thought it was made uniquely for the SWAT fellows. 1:00: Seems it's quite a good vehicle. Not unlike how Allied players in Red Alert 2 opt to replace Grizzly Tanks with Soviet Rhinos. 3:12: Was that a V-1? With those clips of The Adventurers in mind, the light vehicle sure became surprisingly oppressive.
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Penetration charts should always be taken with a massive grain of salt, or rather an entire mountain of salt. Why? Because the penetration charts were made under idealized conditions under the best possible circumstances, against a stationary block of metal, rather than actual battlefield conditions.
Absolutely. Though in the field there is luck too. Sometimes tanks were manufactured under the worst circumstances and you could get lucky and hit a bad weld or discount steel. But you are right generally those pen charts are a stretch.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Good to bring up the problems of lousy manufacturing. I remember thinking one of my troopers had gone full hulk mode when he kicked through an "armored plate" until I discovered that it had all the armor qualities of a coke can. When you've got a country increasingly relying on slave labor (and increasing the brutalization of that population at all times) it's no surprise that a lot of German kit wasn't up to its design specs.
Not sure how a Greyhound managed to knock out a Tiger as the rear was 80 mm and as stated the gun could only penetrate 60 mm. The hull side plates were only 60 mm thick so it would be possible to penetrate there, assuming you could shoot passed the road wheels.
What's that film "The Adventurers (1970)"? My DVD rental service has a film of that name from that year, but it seems to about relationship dramas among the rich, with no mention of urban combat.
“The wealthy playboy son of an assassinated South American diplomat discovers that his father was really murdered on orders of the corrupt president of the country--a man who was his father's friend and who, in fact, his father had helped put into power. He returns from living a jet-set life in Europe to lead a revolution against the government, only to find out that things aren't quite as black and white as he had assumed.” (IMDB) It actually has a fair bit of combat scenes.
@@GunnerHeatFire"The Adventurers' is an irresistible mega-movie loaded with all the trappings and treacheries, power plays and passions, intrigues and in-fighting of the world's super-rich. At the center of the jet-setting story is troubled playboy Dax (Bekim Fehmiu), raised far from his South American homeland of Corteguay. Amid the high society and political intrigue of Italy, Dax uses romance as a stepping stone to success...and all the while schemes to bring vengeance on those who once wronged him and his family." - CinemaParadiso . "Scheming to bring vengeance" must be where the M8s come in.
Interesting Fact:
The M8 Greyhound is still in service in other countries with Colombia operating modernized versions of the M8 replacing the 37mm gun with an M2 50 cal and a TOW missle launcher!
Colombia is poor . . . 😔
@@overdrivelzma.9219 yeah but i guess its still capable of knocking out tanks so its better than nothing
That's good and also parts you mentioned that are attached on that could be good for a future video like the TOW missile and M2 Browning and also may look into this type of vehicle that's still doing a number from WWII to the present day Technical's (Vehicle) basically it's taking a civilian vehicle more notably a jeep or truck and slapping guns on it usually the back not very much armor but really have quick drive anyway look that up and tell JJ all about that as well.
@@emgab1481yeah but also I don’t think Colombia really needs to fight a lot of tanks, they probably need to do a lot of patrolling to fight like FARC or narcos, so probably a lot of patrolling in remote areas and light infantry stuff rather than armored warfare. I figure maybe in that case an m8 might be all you need, though I’m sure theres alternatives
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The Greyhound had a second career in postwar west Germany with the Federal Border Guard, though there the 37mm was removed and the turret was armed with an MG42 (the BGS called it MG 42 even if in 7,62mm NATO) only. The BGS contrary to the the Bundeswehr retained Wehrmacht style helmets and uniforms, but armored cars were the only armored vehicles available. These were later replaced by british Saladin and Saracen cars. The alert police battalions of the state police also used these for a short while, also with MG only armament. I guess these vehicles came directly from US army stock.
Excellent additional info! Thank you sir.
Sounds like something the Swiss would do too.
Edit: surprised to see the Swiss didn't use it. Neither did Denmark or Ireland but almost any other western european country did.
The Swiss used the Staghound armoured car it seems.
That's also hard to imagine and also speaking of German MG's may want to tell Johnson about the Mg's the Luftwaffe was using in it's planes like the MG-15 as another idea for a video or this lesser known one MG-13 before the likes of MG-34 and 42 arrived also told in another channel about it anyway may want to have a look or as they say now Google it.
@johnnyjohnsonesq The bundesgrenzschutz (BGS) are especially fascinating to me in their earliest iterations during the 50s since they essentially just used debadged Wehrmacht uniforms and helmets, as well as WW2 camo patterns and equipment like the Zeltbahn for a long time, along with even WW2 weapons such as the typical K98k and MP40 (in few numbers as parts were becoming hard to find), but even some odder choices like French and Italian submachine guns such as the MAB38/MP1. More interestingly is that the K98 rifles the BGS used were made by the French. 18,000 of them. The Greyhound also even had a version used by the BGS called the Zobel, which had the turret removed to fit a semi enclosed 20mm auto cannon, although I’m not sure on how many were created.
@@antiquatedideas1107 For that it's really fascinating and may want to tell JJ about the including those K98 rifles or if you're looking for more modern weapons or like the Cold War infamous AK-47, RPG-7, DSHK machine gun, PKM, M2 Browning and M-14 rifles really hit the bill among more recent fodder like those Technicals I mentioned earlier including this conflict known as the Toyota Wars. Anyway really check it out it's nuts among others. Even the B-52 and TU-95 bombers can be good too.
One of my favorite greyhound voice lines in company of heros is when they say “Hi”
Also anytime they were engaged they asked to be pulled back. The Greyhound was my favourite unit in COH
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Haha, yeah that was always good for a laugh. Lotta good voice lines, I always enjoyed the rifleman line about Johnson stealing doilies.
They were a menace in 1v1, as a well micro'ed m8 can completely dominate midgame
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The only Greyhound I rode in the Army was a Greyhound bus when I was on leave.
Its name chosen for bitter irony, its seats chosen to breed resistance to pain!
My Dad, a WWII vet, loved the M8 - based on the standard 6x6 truck - he spoke about it often and never called it a Greyhound. He was a radioman in the 3rd Inf. Div.
The M88 Greyhound was nicknamed "Patton's Ghost" because they can sneak into the countryside off-road.
The most infamous of this ambushes was during the Bulge. A greyhound managed to knocked out a king tiger point blank.
The M8 Greyhound has always been my favorite world war II vehicle, I have A cobi m8 greyhound set that I got a while ago and in my free time I'll drive it around my house and pretend that I'm on a mission to find my cats. Very fun!
Watching those guys just send it over bumps and off-road looks like an absolute blast and nerve-wracking at the same time.
Agree... and don't forget that cameraman. He stayed until the last possible second to get the perfect photo!! 📸
At 1:03 if that set looks familiar it's because that is the exterior set for Hogan's Hero's, which was used and subsequently destroyed during the production of that movie
I was about to mention that
Yeah, that Tiger kill is a myth. It's been repeated so many times, it's taken as fact.
The M6 37 gun cant penetrate the armor of a Tiger at any range, even point blank at the rear.
The Germans didn't have any Tigers in the St Vith area at the time. Only one German unit that was in combat in The Battle of the Bulge, Schwere Panzer Abteilung 301, had Tigers. None of them were lost at St Vith.
The crew of the M8 never claimed they killed a Tiger. An officer of a nearby infantry unit, Captain S. H. Anstey, said it. It was quite common for Pz. IVs to be mistaken for Tiger tanks. That is what most likely happened.
Armored Cars deserve more recognition!
8/10 for the puns at the end. Well done.
I find it interesting that today regular civilian cars have engines with 2-3x as much horsepower as armored cars from the war. Technology, right?
It’s funny when they talk about engines used in tanks and stuff and they are really weak compared to what you’d expect. The tech really has improved a lot.
@@AdamantLightLP Horsepower and torque are generated differently. If you want high speed then you need high RPM and high RPM generate high HP. To get those high revs you make your pistons oversquare, that is the diameter is larger than the stroke or the piston is wider than the con-rod is long, that way the piston moves a short distance on its power-stroke before returning. If you want high torque then you need a long lever-effect. To get that lever-effect you make your stroke (con-rod) longer than your piston diameter. The piston travels a long distance on its power-stroke before returning. That's why two identical capacity engines with the same number of valves can have such widely differing performance.
Those old engines were designed to move masses of metal, torque was far more important than revs and horsepower.
The story goes it snuck up on a Tiger 2 (King Tiger) and fired 3 rounds into its back
M8 King Slayer.
@SeanDahle Although it's a great story, the account itself is very dubious with records that doesn't support the event other than accounts. Tank Encyclopedia went into depth debunking the myth.
@@BHuang92 Exactly
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsqThere is somerhing I don't get. Why do some games(like war thunder) present penetration much higher than often stated? For example 89mm vs 60mm for this gun.
@@novkorova2774 Johnnys number seems to be based directly on the specification for 450m. The WT number you are quoting is for point blank range. As in literally touching the enemy tank.
However those are not the only numbers. The British penetration table shows very different results much closer to the WT numbers including possible 80mm penetration at point blank range.
In general WT doesn't use historical sources for the pen but seems to simulate the shells and base the pen on that.
Mexico still uses modified m8 greyhounds
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I loved the M8 Greyhound in the 1961 warmovie "The Guns of Navarone"
Good camo colors.
In Venezuela the army reserves still used this M8 Greyhounds from WW2. They had good taste.
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To be fair late war Germany was had run out of supplies of the necessary alloying metals required to make high quality Armour plate add to their method of hardening the plates this lead to problems with armour being brittle, with inconsistent quality (check out the Australian Armour and Artillery museum's channel for their restoration of a Jagpanther where one of the restores complain about the problems welding the inconsistent plates) and if you look at a lot of pictures of damaged German tanks you will see the armour has cracked around the impact site. So from point blank to the tinner rear turret an rear armour taking multiple rapid hits I don't think it is imposable for the armour of a Tiger to have failed plus there is a lot of wiggle room for the definition of "Knocked Out"
Germany changed their manufacturing method and increased thickness by up to 5mm to make up for the lack of materials.
Most pictures of cracked plates you see have been fired at dozens of times.
The whole Grayhound story was debunked completely long ago.
Still a viable light armored asset to this day, one could argue. Fire and Infantry support plus Scouting.
The last thing I was expecting today was a clip from "Ilse: She-Wolf of the SS"! 😲😂
During in korean war,In the ROK army, the M8 Greyhound was operated as an armored vehicle that could also be used for radio relays, but because they knew they could not deal with it, they used it to engage the T-34/85, and so the 27 Greyhounds that were directly under the Army Headquarters, in greyhound's were destroyed or It was abandoned , or were used to suppress communist guerrillas in the rear. and ultimately all M8 Greyhounds belonging to the ROK Army were lost. In the early stages of the Korean War, There is also a story that two Greyhounds taking cover on the other side of the river linked up and one of them destroyed the tracks of a T-34, aimed at the T-34 crew who had opened their hatch, and fired a 37mm armor-piercing bullet into the hatch, destroying it. This can be quickly understood by looking at the internal photos of the T-34. Due to the characteristics of the Christie suspension, the iron bars encroach on some of the crew area, which is because they are suspension bars. Also, T-34's considering the lack of ventilation and the hatch on the front, and the fact that drivers fired the gun during battle and opened the driver's hatch to release gas through the hatch, there were frequent cases of destruction during WW2, it is not impossible. Greyhound went out to the 8th Division in Gangneung to relay the radio message, and there was a story that the communication was good with the Namsan Armored Regiment communication center in Seoul, and that in order to raise morale, they called the armored car a tank and went around to various units before the war broke out, saying, "We have so many tanks!" Considering that the Greyhounds were bluffing in this way and that uneducated commanders often thought "guns on -> movement -> tanks" and sent them in, it seems somewhat convincing that the Greyhounds were able to destroy the T-34s in the Battle of Chuncheon, which was somehow a battle.
The M8 Greyhound never got the exposure that tanks or half tracks got, but it did good service for the US Army in particular.
The 37mm cannon wasn’t a popgun. But except against light tanks it wasn’t effective against armor. But HE and cannister shells we effective
I still like their cameo in the Blues Brothers
I missed that. That is my dad's cult movie. I thought there was a Sherman at the end. I don't remember any other armored vehicles.
My unit has one of these on display outside of a squadron headquarters building. Every year we do a “Cav Week” which is like a week long unit birthday celebration, a couple years ago I was waiting at a red light at a four way intersection on base and saw it drive by on the main road. I had to have a double take, very funny to see haha
Always fascinating this vehicle..thanks for sharing this....cheers Johnny...E..
In the hallway of our barracks in Germany, there were photos of M8 Greyhounds performing recon duties for the 3rd Armor Div. during WW2. The M8 was an excellent recon vehicle, being small, fast, and relatively well armed!
Didn’t one knock out a jagtiger in an urban setting once? Got behind it at close range and put one up,the exhaust pipe, so to speak. Or did I imagine that one?
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I've heard that tall tale in all kinds of versions. Most commonly it's with a King Tiger as the victim. The story goes the M8 crew were cooling their heels hidden off the side of a road when a single German tank went past them and didn't see the Greyhound. The only way this makes much sense to me is if the tank was in fact a King Tiger or Panther, both of which have hatches on the back side of their turrets for tossing out spend rounds and for crew egress. They passed by and the M8 sneaks out on to the road right behind them. The only way this works is if that back hatch was open and the M8 crew proceeded to pump 37mm, 30cal and 50cal rounds directly inside the turret. That would end that German crew's day in a hurry. It could have also been a Jagdtiger, also have a large square hatch in the rear of the superstructure.
The M8 certainly catches up to its lure
Lovely video! Looking forward to the one on the F-86 Sabre.
I'd also be interested in a video on the M48 Patton, and if there's even enough footage, one on the experimental Chrysler TV-8, the only tank designed to be powered by a nuclear reactor.
Hello again Johnny johnson
Colombia , Mexico & Ecuador are some of the Notable users of the M8 Greyhound.
Colombia & Ecuador uses the M45 Quadmount on their M8 Greyhound. Also Colombia has a TOW version.
Mexico has replaced the 37mm Anti Tank Gun with a 20mm GIAT Autocannon.
Also Fact ,The Brazilian Engesa EE-9 Cascavel & later the EE-11 Urutu are further derived from Prototype models based on M-8 Greyhound .
Johnny and his doggone puns.
(See what I did, there..?)
Set phasers to fun....errr...pun...no ...hang on warping factor 8...beam me up....😅😅😅😅
@1:22 New Zealand appears to have engaged stealth mode on the map...
Tasmania is missing too
Anyone else love seeing these videos and realising weird vehicles in great films are some kind of bizarre modification of vehicles you've since come to be very interested in??
I ask because my love of film began way before i got interested in armoured vehicles!
0:57 Did you know that the M8 in Die Hard was a small model that was blown up on a fake minture prop set made to look like the building and street.
Late in the war many Grayhounds were issued a Bazooka to help make up for their lack of anti-armor performance.
Here’s a fact Mexico still uses the M8 Greyhound as part of its mechanized forces along with M2 and M9 half tracks for I believe Divisions 6 and 7 although they replaced the 37mm gun with a 20mm autocannon
Ha! I was just using a giant cluster of these against the germans in Company of heroes 3.
Anyway, Great video once again Johnny!
One of my favorite ww2 vehicles
I once heard of a Greyhound version that was designed to carry about 40 passengers at one time across large distances in relative comfort.
I know the account of the Grayhound taking out a Tiger II always makes me want to cry fowl. Basically story goes a grayhound snuck up behind one and fired a few shots into the rear until it burst into flames. Issue with that story is, the Tiger II is better armored in the rear than it is even on the sides. Being it's 80mm sloped armor. Basically it's better protected in the rear than a Sherman tank is from the front, and a 3.7cm gun should struggle vs that. The 3.7cm gun on the grayhound with it's highest penetrating ammunition would still struggle even against 80mm flat plate let alone sloped. Even weak spots in that rear armor has casted steel even thicker than the rear plate protecting it like the holes for the exhaust being a good example the cast steel protecting the entry/exit holes of the exhaust is very thick.
That being said, based on the account though, it's more likely the tank that was destroyed was a Panther tank. A Grayhound should have little issue based on how the story was told, to have knocked out a Panther tank in this manor. They have exposed fuel tanks in the rear of the tank, and the rear armor itself is only 40mm thick. 3.7cm might have some issues, but repeated shots would insure many penetrations let alone a shot into the exposed fuel tanks. Which for many panther models didn't even have armor plating for some dumb reason. Being a Panther and Tiger II have a similar hull design, I wouldn't be surprised if it's mistaken identity.
Basically I can see a Grayhound successfully knocking out any German tank from shots to the rear but the Tiger I and II. There are some places where a Grayhound could penetrate a Tiger I but they're on the sides not the rear. Tiger II doesn't have those vulnerabilities though.
US GIs didn't exactly have a great understanding on how to identify what they were fighting. One of my favorites was a field report where the officer called all German Tanks Panthers, or would say Panther IV, and Panther V. Instead of Panzer.
German Panthers and both Tiger versions had hatches on the back of the turret for throwing out spent casings. I could see a Greyhound or Stuart putting a 37 through an open hatch...not saying that's what happened. Just that it's within the realm of possibility.
The 37mm could penetrate the armor of a Panther from anywhere but the front when the impact angle was high.
The armor on these cutouts is also less effective, so it’s quite possible that a 37mm would penetrate the armor when hitting near the edge of a hatch, even on a Tiger.
While it’s not very common, a light vehicle can easily outmaneuver a heavy vehicle at close range and disabled it.
Of course that generally doesn’t happen because medium and heavy tanks would be accompanied by many more vehicles.
In "The Train" 1964) is the M8 in Wehrmacht use scene.
make sure you pick armor doctrine so they can capture points.
1:00, and the quaterback is toast!
Pretty Kool! I'd love to have one to bebop around in!😅
One did kill a Tiger tank. The M8 was in hiding next to a road, the tiger and the M8 left it's hiding spot and cam up behind the Tiger firing its 37mm right into it's engine compartment several times. The tank screeched to a halt and the crew ran into the woods. The Sergeant in charge of the M8 received the Army Legion of Merit Award I believe.
It didn't, there's 0 proof to back it up, while there's an ocean of proof to prove it didn't. Neither German nor Allied documentation aligns with the claimed kill.
Thought for a second there we weren't gonna get the "aaaaaaalright". Had me worried 😂
I work in a museum and we have a greyhound which if I remember correctly, was the first to reach Mauthausen concentration camp in Austria
I hope you get the credit of views for replays too, concentrated knowledge and imagery makes them great to review.
These puns are so creative
An hint about its early use as TD could be argued by the open top turret, that was usual on the M10/M36 and M18. This feature caused a lot of troubles to the crews, expecially when, after the war, was used in COIN roles, as by the french in Indochina, some added thin metal's roofs on their turrets, to avoid being hit by splinters , or worst, by an incendiary bottle thrown by insurgents.
Good job Johnny m8.
Johnny, you didn't mention how cool this thing looks.
Your puns are killing me. 😅. Thanks for another great video
Hit it again - Hans Gruber 1988
Send in the car.
2:20 so is the M6 37mm GMC the first technical?
Nice video, M8.
second best starting "tank" in Warthunder
Love how the Chinese tree gets an M8 with a stabilizer for free to everyone, but the US has it as an event vehicle that no-one has…
I do agree tho!
What’s the first?
That camera man at 3:51.
I think what kept me playing BFV was solenmly multiplayer, the maps and the variety of Arsenals offered in game notably vehicles.
I love how the greyhound looks
M8 in 1964 Le train spotted in the German army scene.
Looks fun to drive.
A kickak ass unit in Wargame Red Dragon !
Mexico still has a few in service. Battle Order did a piece on Mexican ad hoc armored units.
Damn Johnny. 230k subs. Didn't even notice.
heheheh hound, also thanks for the movie recommendation " The Adventurers"
Regarding your afterword, Johnny: Bow wow! 🐕
A good looking machine.
Brutal first scene 💀
Fortunately no one fired
Canister shots are nasty, learned about it from Company of Heroes
110 Horsepower is insane. That’s how much my 02 Honda Civic had brand new
Can do a video on the DhsK heavy machine gun?
I can! I'm just doing fewer gun videos these days as I think RUclips is crushing such videos. But I'll do it anyway, just have to give me sometime.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Thanks . . .
There is a really cool 1 to 16 model kit of this I kinda want.
I found it so fetching that you caught me, Johnny! I didn't make it to shelter in time.
I dunno know why but I suddenly feel like a vodka n grapefruit. Perhaps I'll go fetch one, quickly. Thanks again, Johnny Catch ya for another one.
Huh. So the Die Hard armored vehicle was actually lite military tech. Thought it was made uniquely for the SWAT fellows.
1:00: Seems it's quite a good vehicle. Not unlike how Allied players in Red Alert 2 opt to replace Grizzly Tanks with Soviet Rhinos.
3:12: Was that a V-1?
With those clips of The Adventurers in mind, the light vehicle sure became surprisingly oppressive.
Love how the 50s have the bfa on them
Love using it in the game Hell Let Loose.
You ain't nothin but a hound dog crying all the time but you ain't no friend of mine
Because you're nothing but a You ain't nothin but a hound dog😂😂😂😂😂❤
lmao 37 go BRRRTT
This guy is first ^^^^^
My favorite armored car alongside the puma, also did anyone notice that there was a greyhound in one of the Godzilla movies
Penetration charts should always be taken with a massive grain of salt, or rather an entire mountain of salt. Why? Because the penetration charts were made under idealized conditions under the best possible circumstances, against a stationary block of metal, rather than actual battlefield conditions.
Absolutely. Though in the field there is luck too. Sometimes tanks were manufactured under the worst circumstances and you could get lucky and hit a bad weld or discount steel. But you are right generally those pen charts are a stretch.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Good to bring up the problems of lousy manufacturing. I remember thinking one of my troopers had gone full hulk mode when he kicked through an "armored plate" until I discovered that it had all the armor qualities of a coke can. When you've got a country increasingly relying on slave labor (and increasing the brutalization of that population at all times) it's no surprise that a lot of German kit wasn't up to its design specs.
A Greyhound appears in Season 3, episode 24 of ‘Adam 12.’
Germany loved experimenting with their tanks especially if they were allied ones
So thats the name of this oddball!
Saw the m8 in the 1998 godzilla movie yesterday next thing I see is this.
Just so you know, the M8 vs Tiger at St. Vith story has been disproven for a few years now.
I'm pretty sure I had an action man version growing up in the '80s
You missed the Liberator series on Netflix, they had an entire episode about 2 Greyhounds.
Dang I watched that too. Completely forgot.
Not sure how a Greyhound managed to knock out a Tiger as the rear was 80 mm and as stated the gun could only penetrate 60 mm. The hull side plates were only 60 mm thick so it would be possible to penetrate there, assuming you could shoot passed the road wheels.
Also it was a Tiger II in that case, not a Tiger I.
@@FirstDaggerand it never happened
@@FirstDaggerTiger 2’s had extremely shoddy production, not saying it happened. But I could see it being a possibility.
4:50 i looked this movie up and read Darren was in it. I think thats him at timestamp, but to me, he will always be Vic Fontaine!
Wow good eye! I never caught that. There's one hologram who really gets around.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq i love this reply bahaha. Yeah he really swings!
What's that film "The Adventurers (1970)"? My DVD rental service has a film of that name from that year, but it seems to about relationship dramas among the rich, with no mention of urban combat.
“The wealthy playboy son of an assassinated South American diplomat discovers that his father was really murdered on orders of the corrupt president of the country--a man who was his father's friend and who, in fact, his father had helped put into power. He returns from living a jet-set life in Europe to lead a revolution against the government, only to find out that things aren't quite as black and white as he had assumed.”
(IMDB)
It actually has a fair bit of combat scenes.
@@GunnerHeatFire"The Adventurers' is an irresistible mega-movie loaded with all the trappings and treacheries, power plays and passions, intrigues and in-fighting of the world's super-rich.
At the center of the jet-setting story is troubled playboy Dax (Bekim Fehmiu), raised far from his South American homeland of Corteguay. Amid the high society and political intrigue of Italy, Dax uses romance as a stepping stone to success...and all the while schemes to bring vengeance on those who once wronged him and his family."
- CinemaParadiso . "Scheming to bring vengeance" must be where the M8s come in.
the greyhound is truly the last of a generation, since armoured cars arent really a thing anymore
They are very much still: The up-armored Humvee was one, the J-LTV is one, the French AMX-10 is one with a bit more firepower...
@@hendrickziegler8487 nah, theres a difference between apcs and armored cars
Japanese Type 16
@@flarvin8945 thats a whelled afv, not really in the same vein as the ww1/ww2 armored cars. similar to the french armour
@@Black.Templar_002 panhard ERC, Eland and spahpanzer luchs.