UPDATE: I know this video took longer than expected. I apologize. I was trying to wait until everything was accurately translated and she had time to make and send the symbols and translations. She did an amazing job with sending more and more documents, translations, images, etc... every day. I decided to make this video explaining her process and what we now know with part 1. Part 2 will have more translations and a better look at her cypher. We will also be discussing on Tuesday's Hylian Gamescast. Also, I am aware the audio may have a few messups. Sorry.
Based on the "deciphered" alphabet I think the text on the door would say something along the lines of "KUONROURSDN?KHERHEON???" (the ?s being letters that haven't been "deciphered" yet based on the information in this video). If it were chamber of sages you would expect the usual Japanese word 賢者の間 (kenja no ma) or at least just "kenja" anywhere but everything looks gibberish to me. I'm still very skeptical about this "translation" or the "deciphered" alphabet for that matter.
@@heinrichvonschnitzel8600 aren’t the sages dead when they become sages? That was my reading on it when I played the games anyway. Also I agree that would be cool!
Will you be making the original Japanese text available in the next video? I'm a native-Japanese-speaker, but reading through what was available in this video just made me very confused, and I was unsure of how Zoey was translating. Certain parts, like "hikaru", meaning light, I totally agree with (though this is the verb form of light, the noun form of light is ひかり, or "hikari") - but certain parts really were just a jumble of random letters, or gibberish. Will there be more updated versions of her work in the next video? I'd also be really interested in learning how she translated them. And certain things that stood out to me: "Aitoru" isn't actually a word I've heard before - so it could very well mean "meeting of lovers"? Though if so it's a very uncommon word. To me it sounds more like "taking of love", just without the particle of を in between. (So correctly it would be written 「あいをとる」or "ai wo toru") And if we were to take that hiragana and turn it to kanji, it would become 相取る, pronounced as "aidoru", which refers to 「人の助けを借りて行なうこと。 ② 共謀して詐欺など悪事を働くこと。 また、その人。 ③ 餠などをつく時、相方にまわる捏取(こねど)り。」 , or... you know how when Japanese people make mochi, one person uses the hammer, and the other sticks their hand into the mochi with water in between each beat? That kind of thing/relationship - working together? Still, I commend her for her work! Thank you for making this video!!
Honestly, I have no idea how "AITSR" could be interpreted as あいとる to begin with. Furthermore the text on the logo looks more like IUSR? to me with the final symbol being unreadable and that looks even less Japanese. I really doubt even the letters are correct. Then there's also the issue that you could easily try to make sense of almost any kana-based sequences in Japanese even if they are complete gibberish given the lenient phonotactic restrictions of such a sequence. You basically only have to make sure ん or voiced consonants don't appear in unusual places. The only word that looks somewhat natural in this "translation" is ひかる and considering it has neither repeating kana nor repeating letters in any romanization system you could just put any 6-letter word without repeating letters there. It might as well be, say, zeruda for all we know.
@@yum2735 Yesss exactly 👏👏 You summed it up so well - and yeah. I could believe that maybe this new script/text is a cipher on Japanese, but most definitely the key is wrong. I didn't actually check the original decoding, though. AITSR? Really? It's probably not but even if we were to say that key was correct wouldn't it be more logical to assume that that TS is a つ? How do you get と from that? And even then it's still not a word 😅
Ah, I really like your idea with the Mochi reference of working together. If this is like what is says, I hope that it suggests that both Link and Zelda are playable... I'm not convinced of the translation method in this video, but it's interesting none the less
I think the theory that it's "aidoru" - 相取る makes much more sense considering that these runes were found on the two dragons. It could be referring to Link and Zelda working together as a pair in protecting Hyrule from Malice and so on. The chosen hero and the goddess incarnate/descendant. Yin and Yang. Maintaining balance in the world. That kind of stuff. I'm so excited for this game!!!
@@Alice-oi3ew hey there, I forgot to mention in my other comment to you that I made a few errors in my transcription for the image I sent to Jesse and I’ve updated that. Sorry for the confusion!
This is SOOOO COOOOL I didn't expect such complex code breaking to be involved. And what attention to detail on Nintendo's part to include any of this in the first place!
Hi As someone who speaks Japanese, I am confused about how „ai to ru“ translates to „meeting of lovers“ ? „Ai“ could mean either „love“ or „meeting“ and „to“ can be roughly translated as „and“ or „with“, but the „ru“ does not make sense whatsoever?
Thank you for the info! I did some checks with what we can see in the video. A lot of the process is to translate the japaneese text, but not how it was found, I expected more insight on why some choices were made. The first text (left side) is: H I K A R U K U K A R S H I H I K A R K A Already we can see some errors (or choices not made clear) with the text proposed by Joey: The "Deer" character ("C" in her mail, coding a "K") is an "F" (coding an "M") in two places in her transcription. So her last two columns are U M A R S H I H I K A R M A I Why this choice? But it's possible, we had codes with the same character encoding two letters before. Also, she added an "I" at the end of the last column. Again, why? I understand having the R floating, it could be something happening. But adding a I at the end to have a transcrption fit is not satisfactory. And why some R (like the first) have to be completed, and other not? Then, all the translations break the first column. They are based on "Hikaruku", but the "K" and "U" of "KU" are from different columns. It doesn't feel right, but it could be possible. The second text (right side) is: D A R I O S A O H E D A I E N K R O N We can see also some inconsistencies here: The first character of the second column is a "Snake", or an "S" for her (transcribed to "O"). But she misread the character to a "Deer", or "C" for her (transcribed to "K" or "M" for her). So her second column is "K H E D A I", which is incorrect, meaning the translation for this should be mostly incorrect to, or at least revised. And, the transcrption to hiragana of this text is a bit strange. It is transcribed to (I will put it in romaji for everyone to see): Da R(u) I O (no S) A / Ka He Da I / E N K(a) R(u) O N I already said that KaHeDaI is incorrect because it is not the "Deer" character, so it should be "OHeDaI", but why choosing to remove the "S" in the first column? She removed an entire character. And, contrary to the first text, this time both R and K must be completed with vowels. There seems to be no rule. Instead of explaining how to make sense of this strange japaneese sentence, I would have loved to see explainations on how this sentence was created to begin with. So, with that in mind, I really apreciate all the efforts put into the transcription, but there is too much inconsistencies to find it satisfactory. Why adding a character, and removing one? Did the translation have the mistake of the second column of second text corrected? Why the K need a vowel in the second text, but not the first one? Why some "R" need vowels, but not the first? Why not following the columns to form "Hi ka ru ku", but then explain that the translation is correct because of them? So, I wait for further work on that, because there is too much inconsistencies. Like she said, the right solution will feel right, and this doesn't feel right. Too much tweaking involved to make it work make me uneasy, it looks like she's trying to make sense of random kanas by adding vowels, removing some characters and cutting the form of the text (columns). But again, this is still great work, with a lot of insight. What I think is that there was too much work put in the translation of the transcribed text, but not enough refining said transcription, so that it is in vain. If you read this Zoey, keep going at it, this is not supposed to be harsh critic (english is not my first language), I think you do great work but this needs some changes for it to fit! I hope to see some more analysis on that :D
Hey there. I put the wrong characters on the final image and I’ve since corrected it. The characters in the initial email have evolved over time as I’ve weeded out mistakes that I’ve made. I originally indexed the rune for K twice under different key letters. The current text is: DARIOSAOHEDAIENKARAON HIKARUKUKARASHIHIKARAKA I’m currently working with native speakers to update the Hiragana with the correct Kanji because on its own, there’s too much guesswork involved. As far as adding/removing characters. On the left panel, if you remove the A after the second HIKAR, you’re still left with the stem word 光 all I’m doing by adding it is adding what’s implied by the stem word, which can be HIKAR/I/U/E/A. The reason for choosing A was based on the nearby vowel endings to keep it consistent. The other thing that I’ve just learned about is that historically, transliterations for Zelda games haven’t always included the Dakuten and it’s lead to situations where “ga” gets turned into “ka” but expanded for multiple syllables. This can cloud the message and meaning. I didn’t actually remove any characters at all, I just made a mistake in my final image.
@@Magic.Pixie.Dreamgirl Thank you for the clarification! I hope you will have time to present your updated work for the glyph-to-letters. I was quite sure that you had corrected the mistakes seen in the mail in the video, but the rest of the video was focused on the translation so I focused on what was shown. Yeah I don't recall any instances of Zelda characters with dakuten, so it increases further the amount of possibilities to chek... I may be onto somthing myself, I will try this weekend maybe because, like you, I lack time with my job! Thank you for your work!
Not as on-board with it now. But I Initially was thinking the unknown deity might be something akin to the sun goddess Amaterasu. Days without the sun rising could refer to story of her fight with her brother the moon god Tsukuyomi where she hid herself away in a cave and deprived the world of light. Maybe the 7 tear looking things around her were actually light magatama since a strand of them belonged to her and is one of the three treasures of Japan. The twin dragons following one another could have been the two gods before their fight when they were almost inseparable. Not sure they were ever lovers. Though, that sort of stuff isn't too uncommon with gods for some reason.
This video doesn't go indepth on that aspect. The next video will. She has a few different spreadsheets she sent that explains it, but she is finding out more almost each time she messages me and I don't want to rush her.
you've done a great job! but as a Japanese, i actually couldn't understand what the sentences mean. most Japanese zelda analysts still think that it corresponds with English, so i'm very excited to see where it goes.
Hey there. I made a mistake in what I sent to Jesse originally and put an M where I should have put a K. I’ve updated that image so that it shows correct as I go!
This Zoey person is me in high school and college. Make something up out of thin air, fill my 15 page essay with it, and write it in such a convincing way that the teachers think it's legit. In my over 20 years of speaking Japanese, I never heard of anything (a word, a phrase, or otherwise) even close to "Ai to ru". How could one possibly arrive at the conclusion that it means "meeting of lovers". It's gibberish. But most people are probably thinking "this person seems to know what they're talking about, so they must be right"
I'm japanese and still can't understand, how she translate｢ひかるくまらしひからまい だるいおあかへだいえんかるおん｣to English. This sentence means nothing. This isn't even a sentence or "old japanese" sentence. 誰かなんでこの日本語がこう訳されてるのか分かったら教えてくれ。
So this is like, ACTUAL shit? Like real translation, 100% no bs on the right track kind of deal, not theory? Man this Zoey is the modern day Zelda. She 100% tapped into the Triforce of wisdom for this shit. Wtf this is incredible. But for reals, this is ACTUALLY it? I'm so fucking happy rn
This is incredible... I wonder what would happen if nintendo were to do something like a direct and ... Ok like picture it ,Aonuma appear on screen and bow, then he says "We know that you guys are really excited about The legend of zelda tears of the kingdom,however unfortunately we can not show anything today. I call uppon all the zelda youtubers , you have one week to find a cure to cancer or we are not showing anything untill the game come out. Please understand" Bow again,nintendo logo end of video. If I was nintendo I would take a shot at this
"When the sun shines, the moon shines. When the moon shines, the stars shine. When the sun sets, the moon turns red. Daylight comes and goes, but the sun never shines." This how the mysterious "zonai" text has been translated. I this this talk about the 3 different map we might get in TOTK. Even more interesting is changing the word "when" for "where" "Where the sun shines, the moon shines. Where the moon shines, the stars shine." Refering to the sky island "Where the sun sets, the moon turns red." Refering to the ground maybe with a endless cycle of blood moon with the rise of ganon and his malice. "Daylight comes and goes, but the sun never shines." Refering to the underground world. Where the sun never shines...
This is nonsense. If we go by your key, the left panel should translate to "HIKARUK-UKARSHI-HIKARUKA" and the right panel to "DARIOSA-OHEDAI-ENKRON". You cannot attribute so many "transcription errors" into making up a phrase that sounds like gibberish in Japanese.
I do see a mistake in that work. But let’s take what you have and convert it to raw Hiragana. ひかるくからしひからか, which means “from brightest day to darkest”.
@@flyingstraightup I wish I had more time to go in depth but I don’t. I’m not sure of your proficiency with Japanese but if you like, go put the Hiragana into deepl or romajidesu and see for yourself. I don’t recommend Google translate ever because it doesn’t handle lots of text that doesn’t have indicators of possession (の)
@@Magic.Pixie.Dreamgirl Unfortunately, as a Japanese native speaker I do have to agree that this sounds like quite a bit of nonsense. The ひかる, part, sure, I understand where you're coming from, as well as the から, but changing it to 「ひかるく」 (I'm assuming this is being interpreted as "light", but being turned into a verb? ひかる is already a verb in itself, there's no reason to add the く) is just grammatically incorrect. 「しひからか」is just a non-sentence as well. (Or at the very least, has nothing to do with darkness.) Same goes for the right panel - it really just means absolutely nothing, so I was incredibly confused when it was shown on screen as if it were a complete sentence. If we were to write out your translation in Japanese, of "from brightest day to the darkest", it would be something more along the lines of 「ひかるひからくらいひへ」, and even then that's just "from a bright day to a dark day". You could express it differently, of course, for example 「ひかりのひからくらやみのひへ」(and I won't claim to know all of Japanese vocabulary, I'm certain there are better ways to express it using better compound words), but what I'm trying to say is that it sounds nothing like the sentence you've produced here. The examples I've provided here also are really basic - like a child's Japanese - which could be poetic, I suppose? But I doubt so. From what I can tell this seems to be a program trying to make connections or translations where there aren't any translations to be made? Still, I'd really appreciate getting to know more about your process, and look forward to the next video!
It should also be noted that we’re all going on the strong assumption that the text is definitively Zonai. There’s strong evidence to make this case, but it’s not been officially confirmed by Nintendo so we don’t know that it is 100% Zonai writing
i belive the meeting of lovers could mean this there is a theory that the golden orb is zeldas spirit and that she died during the fall maybe meeting of lovers means the meeting of zeldas spirit and link
Thank you for translating! Can’t wait for the next part. I found it interesting about the 2 lovers. I actually came across an image the other day and thought the image was similar to the image on Links shield. It’s called ‘The Rising Woman Symbol’ which represents the divine femine energy (the moon) merging with the divine masculine energy (the sun) to create the alchemy of divine union with spirit.
Hmm I'm thinking, has anyone tried to use that to translate those symbols seen in the very first trailer? 🤔 in the green glowing spiral holding Ganondorf. Hear people saying it was gerudo but idk.
I actually looked at it and drew out most of the swirl as best as I could in a straight line while watching the trailer frame by frame. I got about 3~5 lines per page and from what I can see there are about about 6-7 symbols repeating over and over again. Only one of the letters seems to match the Gerudo language, which is the letter for "s". The rest seem to different from Gerudo and even different from the runes written on the wall next to the unidentified floati-boi diety. It is possible looking at my sheets for both sets of characters that the swirl has a "cursive" version of the runes on the wall flowing through it though.
I just want to say I genuinely love y’all and your coverage. I’m employed full time and raising a family so I can’t pay as much attention to game coverage as much as I’d like but man I love pulling your videos up and just listening while cooking or cleaning or working out. Love y’all! Keep up the great work!
"The meeting of lovers" I get so choked up at the cutscenes.. Because everything begins to feel like a huge metaphor, that overarching theme of love defeating anything and being the real source of power.
Just a small rant. Why are people saying creature in the trailer with the 7 tears around it is Vaati? Why would Vaati and Zelda be holding hands??? C'mon people stop. 🤣🤣🤣
This video has inspired me to do this and has allowed me to meet so many amazing people. I still can't even explain half of it but thank you, all of you.
A tip for pronouncing Japanese words well enough for talking about a translation like this: The vowels in Japanese are a i u e o, and they are pronounced sort of like, ah, ee, ooh, eh, oh. Or like the vowels in talk, tea, too, pet, no. This is true even when two vowels are next to each other, so "ai" is "ah ee", which sounds like the English word "eye". For any pedants who see this, this is an oversimplification, but just knowing this and pronouncing the consonants like in English will get you as close as you need to be for reading out a Japanese word while talking in English about what it means.
I had a free it was something to do with Japanese how the text layout in the game. But it kinda cool they have different text base off different civilization in game
I don't know much about translating unknown scripts, but I imagine it's easy to come up with something that fits but is totally wrong. I'm also sceptical that it's possible to work out the translation with so little text available. This stuff should be treated as speculative until it's reviewed by someone else who knows about cryptography and translation.
I myself treat it as speculative in spite of my own efforts and research hours. With English, it’s very easy to luck into things. The Z13 cipher has thousands of possible solutions. With Japanese it is harder but not impossible.
my goodness… aren’t you just stating the utterly obvious? and repeating what Zoey said herself? she’s clearly put a LOT of well reasoned thought into this… and offers what she has found very humbly. comments like yours are discouraging… and i for one would very much like for her to continue pursuing these fascinating cyphers. maybe consider others who freely give their time and energy for our pleasure and entertainment.
@@Magic.Pixie.Dreamgirl Do you have the Japanese text with Kanji? I'm trying to make sense of your translations, e.g. how does あいとる mean "meeting of lovers"? Another idea to explain the lack of characters and frequent repetition: It could be a Hiragana-based abjad like the one sometimes used in Japanese internet slang, e.g. kwsk = KuWaSiKu = 詳しくor BBA = BaBaA = ばばぁ. You basically take the first letter of every romanized Hiragana symbol (one row, one symbol except for the あ-row). This type of abjad wouldn't have significantly fewer letters than an alphabet but probably a lot more repetition in Japanese.
This is why Nintendo tries to hide so much of TOTK and is so careful at putting out trailers. 😁 You guys are very good at this and Nintendo knows it. Good job. 👍👍
I hope the devs are tickled and delighted at the community's voracious dedication to solving these crumbs they give us. You KNOW they wanted us to see that text. It was obvious on the tapestry :)
What lovers though? Hudson and Rhondson? Kafei and Anju? I can't think of any other lovers as main back characters. Unless it references the fan want for Link and Zelda to be a couple?
Hey! so odds are I’m just overthinking stuff but the upside down triangle on the mystery person in the new trailer might be something to look into. Idk for sure but I think a few years ago I heard a theory video mention the upside down triangle cutout in the middle of the triforce that I might try to find to see for sure. update! I rewatched the video and it’s by Nintendo black crisis. It’s not that the tetraforce physically exists, but instead that it takes the whole triforce to create the shape, giving it a special symbolism! NBC explains it in more depth but next time I get hold of botw I’m gonna start the game over and figure out in which great plateau shrine the monk is making an upside down triangle to see if it has any symbolism regarding the matter!
This video feels like a waste of time. The so called process could’ve been summed up in a 5 minute video, not 16. And as others have pointed out, the translation process is off or highly speculative. I don’t think this is the smoking gun you think it is...looking forward to the part 2 video where you actually will connect the ideas.
I thought the entire video was super interesting, the detailed process and revisions towards more accurate solutions were really intriguing. I thought Zoey's work given such little information to go off of was incredible. Definitely not a waste of time and even though I had the video on x2 speed I thought it was well worth watching.
I have a (not so) small theory that I basically stole from a german channel ("Roxtendo"), but it's just too good to not share since it doesn't have english subtitles even a year after the upload. So... What if everything happening in the Zelda Universe is trapped in a loop? Not literally going back in time, but events being predestined to happen again and BotW is the Legend told in Skyward sword happening again. Like, the calamity of "Demise" (now old Ganondorf) rising from the ground, forcing Hylia (In BotW it's the suspiciously powerful Zelda) to lift the Ground and safe Hyrule's citizens. In SS' Legend, the evil monsters, qoute "burn woods" (to wipe out powerful Deku Tree), explaining why he isn't seen in any of TotK's trailers. More possible evidence could be found in OoT; Why does Link dream of Ganondorf chasing Zelda+Impa? Fate? Or maybe hidden memories from a previous loop? How can Windmill Dude know the song of storms? He remembers young Link from a previous loop. There are far more examples of possible proof for this, but too much to put in a YT comment. If you understand german, here's the original theory: ruclips.net/video/50s1AFOnC5M/видео.html
I don’t think the text seen in the dragons for the logo means meeting of lovers The ouroborus doesn’t mean it nor does it represent anything of the sort
@@julien6871 , but that's not the only meaning, the cycle is normaly represented by one dragon or serpent biting its own tale, but here there are two dragons, probably representing two people tied together, or two lovers, this is the second meaning, so yes, "meeting of lovers" makes sense, besides its what the text says
UPDATE: I know this video took longer than expected. I apologize. I was trying to wait until everything was accurately translated and she had time to make and send the symbols and translations. She did an amazing job with sending more and more documents, translations, images, etc... every day. I decided to make this video explaining her process and what we now know with part 1. Part 2 will have more translations and a better look at her cypher. We will also be discussing on Tuesday's Hylian Gamescast. Also, I am aware the audio may have a few messups. Sorry.
I wanted to give a very big thank you to the Gamescast for sharing this ❤️❤️❤️ y’all rock!
@@Magic.Pixie.Dreamgirl thank YOU for putting in the amount of effort it took to get this going!! Bravo!
@@varden506 I live for this type of research ❤️❤️❤️
@GameOver Jesse,
Your comment about poor quality of anime translation made me hearken back to the days of low grade fansubbing. 😬
Thank you Zoey!
this could just be my confirmation bias, but “building of counselors” sounds like it could be an alternate phrasing for something like “hall of sages”
Based on the "deciphered" alphabet I think the text on the door would say something along the lines of "KUONROURSDN?KHERHEON???" (the ?s being letters that haven't been "deciphered" yet based on the information in this video). If it were chamber of sages you would expect the usual Japanese word 賢者の間 (kenja no ma) or at least just "kenja" anywhere but everything looks gibberish to me. I'm still very skeptical about this "translation" or the "deciphered" alphabet for that matter.
And meeting of lovers, could either A. Mean zelda+link romance is about to die via, perhaps mipha? Or perhaps Zelda is vibing up in there too?
@@koki1829 Mipha is dead though. Sidon on the other hand...
@@heinrichvonschnitzel8600 aren’t the sages dead when they become sages? That was my reading on it when I played the games anyway.
Also I agree that would be cool!
@@koki1829 Nah there's no rule that they have to be dead, they just always tend to be dead lmao
I live for these videos that do extremely detailed research. It shows how passionate the Zelda community is and I love it.❤
I love how Zonai script is based on Bronze-Age Chinese characters. It's really a cool-looking writing system.
Even if it’s not perfect, I do appreciate the love and work that went into this translation. Excellent job!
Will you be making the original Japanese text available in the next video? I'm a native-Japanese-speaker, but reading through what was available in this video just made me very confused, and I was unsure of how Zoey was translating. Certain parts, like "hikaru", meaning light, I totally agree with (though this is the verb form of light, the noun form of light is ひかり, or "hikari") - but certain parts really were just a jumble of random letters, or gibberish. Will there be more updated versions of her work in the next video? I'd also be really interested in learning how she translated them.
And certain things that stood out to me:
"Aitoru" isn't actually a word I've heard before - so it could very well mean "meeting of lovers"? Though if so it's a very uncommon word. To me it sounds more like "taking of love", just without the particle of を in between. (So correctly it would be written 「あいをとる」or "ai wo toru")
And if we were to take that hiragana and turn it to kanji, it would become 相取る, pronounced as "aidoru", which refers to 「人の助けを借りて行なうこと。 ② 共謀して詐欺など悪事を働くこと。 また、その人。 ③ 餠などをつく時、相方にまわる捏取(こねど)り。」 , or... you know how when Japanese people make mochi, one person uses the hammer, and the other sticks their hand into the mochi with water in between each beat? That kind of thing/relationship - working together?
Still, I commend her for her work! Thank you for making this video!!
Honestly, I have no idea how "AITSR" could be interpreted as あいとる to begin with. Furthermore the text on the logo looks more like IUSR? to me with the final symbol being unreadable and that looks even less Japanese. I really doubt even the letters are correct. Then there's also the issue that you could easily try to make sense of almost any kana-based sequences in Japanese even if they are complete gibberish given the lenient phonotactic restrictions of such a sequence. You basically only have to make sure ん or voiced consonants don't appear in unusual places. The only word that looks somewhat natural in this "translation" is ひかる and considering it has neither repeating kana nor repeating letters in any romanization system you could just put any 6-letter word without repeating letters there. It might as well be, say, zeruda for all we know.
@@yum2735 Yesss exactly 👏👏
You summed it up so well - and yeah. I could believe that maybe this new script/text is a cipher on Japanese, but most definitely the key is wrong. I didn't actually check the original decoding, though. AITSR? Really? It's probably not but even if we were to say that key was correct wouldn't it be more logical to assume that that TS is a つ? How do you get と from that? And even then it's still not a word 😅
Ah, I really like your idea with the Mochi reference of working together. If this is like what is says, I hope that it suggests that both Link and Zelda are playable...
I'm not convinced of the translation method in this video, but it's interesting none the less
I think the theory that it's "aidoru" - 相取る makes much more sense considering that these runes were found on the two dragons. It could be referring to Link and Zelda working together as a pair in protecting Hyrule from Malice and so on. The chosen hero and the goddess incarnate/descendant. Yin and Yang. Maintaining balance in the world. That kind of stuff. I'm so excited for this game!!!
@@Alice-oi3ew hey there, I forgot to mention in my other comment to you that I made a few errors in my transcription for the image I sent to Jesse and I’ve updated that. Sorry for the confusion!
This is SOOOO COOOOL I didn't expect such complex code breaking to be involved. And what attention to detail on Nintendo's part to include any of this in the first place!
Zoey, the code breaking detective. 🤯
Awesome work Zoey!! 👏👏👏
Hi
As someone who speaks Japanese, I am confused about how „ai to ru“ translates to „meeting of lovers“ ?
„Ai“ could mean either „love“ or „meeting“ and „to“ can be roughly translated as „and“ or „with“, but the „ru“ does not make sense whatsoever?
Extremely excited to see this.
Building of counselors makes me think chamber of sages.
Thank you for the info!
I did some checks with what we can see in the video. A lot of the process is to translate the japaneese text, but not how it was found, I expected more insight on why some choices were made.
The first text (left side) is:
H I K A R U K
U K A R S H I
H I K A R K A
Already we can see some errors (or choices not made clear) with the text proposed by Joey:
The "Deer" character ("C" in her mail, coding a "K") is an "F" (coding an "M") in two places in her transcription.
So her last two columns are
U M A R S H I
H I K A R M A I
Why this choice? But it's possible, we had codes with the same character encoding two letters before. Also, she added an "I" at the end of the last column. Again, why? I understand having the R floating, it could be something happening. But adding a I at the end to have a transcrption fit is not satisfactory. And why some R (like the first) have to be completed, and other not?
Then, all the translations break the first column. They are based on "Hikaruku", but the "K" and "U" of "KU" are from different columns. It doesn't feel right, but it could be possible.
The second text (right side) is:
D A R I O S A
O H E D A I
E N K R O N
We can see also some inconsistencies here:
The first character of the second column is a "Snake", or an "S" for her (transcribed to "O"). But she misread the character to a "Deer", or "C" for her (transcribed to "K" or "M" for her). So her second column is "K H E D A I", which is incorrect, meaning the translation for this should be mostly incorrect to, or at least revised.
And, the transcrption to hiragana of this text is a bit strange.
It is transcribed to (I will put it in romaji for everyone to see):
Da R(u) I O (no S) A / Ka He Da I / E N K(a) R(u) O N
I already said that KaHeDaI is incorrect because it is not the "Deer" character, so it should be "OHeDaI", but why choosing to remove the "S" in the first column? She removed an entire character. And, contrary to the first text, this time both R and K must be completed with vowels. There seems to be no rule. Instead of explaining how to make sense of this strange japaneese sentence, I would have loved to see explainations on how this sentence was created to begin with.
So, with that in mind, I really apreciate all the efforts put into the transcription, but there is too much inconsistencies to find it satisfactory. Why adding a character, and removing one? Did the translation have the mistake of the second column of second text corrected? Why the K need a vowel in the second text, but not the first one? Why some "R" need vowels, but not the first? Why not following the columns to form "Hi ka ru ku", but then explain that the translation is correct because of them?
So, I wait for further work on that, because there is too much inconsistencies. Like she said, the right solution will feel right, and this doesn't feel right. Too much tweaking involved to make it work make me uneasy, it looks like she's trying to make sense of random kanas by adding vowels, removing some characters and cutting the form of the text (columns).
But again, this is still great work, with a lot of insight. What I think is that there was too much work put in the translation of the transcribed text, but not enough refining said transcription, so that it is in vain. If you read this Zoey, keep going at it, this is not supposed to be harsh critic (english is not my first language), I think you do great work but this needs some changes for it to fit! I hope to see some more analysis on that :D
Hey there. I put the wrong characters on the final image and I’ve since corrected it. The characters in the initial email have evolved over time as I’ve weeded out mistakes that I’ve made. I originally indexed the rune for K twice under different key letters.
The current text is:
DARIOSAOHEDAIENKARAON
HIKARUKUKARASHIHIKARAKA
I’m currently working with native speakers to update the Hiragana with the correct Kanji because on its own, there’s too much guesswork involved.
As far as adding/removing characters. On the left panel, if you remove the A after the second HIKAR, you’re still left with the stem word 光 all I’m doing by adding it is adding what’s implied by the stem word, which can be HIKAR/I/U/E/A. The reason for choosing A was based on the nearby vowel endings to keep it consistent. The other thing that I’ve just learned about is that historically, transliterations for Zelda games haven’t always included the Dakuten and it’s lead to situations where “ga” gets turned into “ka” but expanded for multiple syllables. This can cloud the message and meaning. I didn’t actually remove any characters at all, I just made a mistake in my final image.
@@Magic.Pixie.Dreamgirl Thank you for the clarification! I hope you will have time to present your updated work for the glyph-to-letters. I was quite sure that you had corrected the mistakes seen in the mail in the video, but the rest of the video was focused on the translation so I focused on what was shown. Yeah I don't recall any instances of Zelda characters with dakuten, so it increases further the amount of possibilities to chek... I may be onto somthing myself, I will try this weekend maybe because, like you, I lack time with my job! Thank you for your work!
My brain is far too small to understand all of this lol
@gigazyte is there somewhere we can see your works? Is it all in the discord or on a subreddit?
Holy nutmeg. This is insane reverse-engineering!
*Great work Zoey!*
Not as on-board with it now. But I Initially was thinking the unknown deity might be something akin to the sun goddess Amaterasu. Days without the sun rising could refer to story of her fight with her brother the moon god Tsukuyomi where she hid herself away in a cave and deprived the world of light. Maybe the 7 tear looking things around her were actually light magatama since a strand of them belonged to her and is one of the three treasures of Japan. The twin dragons following one another could have been the two gods before their fight when they were almost inseparable. Not sure they were ever lovers. Though, that sort of stuff isn't too uncommon with gods for some reason.
It’s fun you should say that. I’ve headcanon’d that Demise is based on Susanoo.
Super glad you explained how she translated it, I was so curious and other ytubers that talked abt it didnt show that
This video doesn't go indepth on that aspect. The next video will. She has a few different spreadsheets she sent that explains it, but she is finding out more almost each time she messages me and I don't want to rush her.
@@GameOverJesse very excited to learn more about it! I love codes and cyphers, but really know nothing about them 😂
Am I the only one thinking the closest Zelda equivalent for "Building of Counselors" is "Temple of Sages"?
you've done a great job! but as a Japanese, i actually couldn't understand what the sentences mean. most Japanese zelda analysts still think that it corresponds with English, so i'm very excited to see where it goes.
Hey there. I made a mistake in what I sent to Jesse originally and put an M where I should have put a K. I’ve updated that image so that it shows correct as I go!
This Zoey person is me in high school and college. Make something up out of thin air, fill my 15 page essay with it, and write it in such a convincing way that the teachers think it's legit.
In my over 20 years of speaking Japanese, I never heard of anything (a word, a phrase, or otherwise) even close to "Ai to ru". How could one possibly arrive at the conclusion that it means "meeting of lovers". It's gibberish. But most people are probably thinking "this person seems to know what they're talking about, so they must be right"
I'm japanese and still can't understand, how she translate｢ひかるくまらしひからまい だるいおあかへだいえんかるおん｣to English.
This sentence means nothing.
This isn't even a sentence or "old japanese" sentence.
誰かなんでこの日本語がこう訳されてるのか分かったら教えてくれ。
"Nothing Can Stop What is Coming"
-Qanondorf
Wait a minute, "meeting of lovers"?
I'm huge fan of the idea of a romance between Link and Zelda, can I get my hopes up then?
I’m right there with you! 😭
SHOUT OUT TO ZOEY, the real MVP
This is why we cant get lengthy teasers/trailers for Zelda games. A few seconds can give alot of information. :)
Yay, thank you so much everyone, amazing video and I love all of you guys. I can’t wait for part 2, thank you so so very much ❤
She should also look at the original canon trailer to see what the words in the green swirls was
Iirc, she’s already started on it, but it’s a pain in he butt.
12:58 every time i see that trailer i just keep thinking how link and his master sword look like they are slowly turning into demise
So this is like, ACTUAL shit? Like real translation, 100% no bs on the right track kind of deal, not theory? Man this Zoey is the modern day Zelda. She 100% tapped into the Triforce of wisdom for this shit. Wtf this is incredible. But for reals, this is ACTUALLY it? I'm so fucking happy rn
This is incredible...
I wonder what would happen if nintendo were to do something like a direct and ...
Ok like picture it ,Aonuma appear on screen and bow, then he says
"We know that you guys are really excited about The legend of zelda tears of the kingdom,however unfortunately we can not show anything today.
I call uppon all the zelda youtubers , you have one week to find a cure to cancer or we are not showing anything untill the game come out.
Please understand"
Bow again,nintendo logo end of video.
If I was nintendo I would take a shot at this
"When the sun shines, the moon shines. When the moon shines, the stars shine. When the sun sets, the moon turns red. Daylight comes and goes, but the sun never shines."
This how the mysterious "zonai" text has been translated.
I this this talk about the 3 different map we might get in TOTK.
Even more interesting is changing the word "when" for "where"
"Where the sun shines, the moon shines. Where the moon shines, the stars shine." Refering to the sky island
"Where the sun sets, the moon turns red."
Refering to the ground maybe with a endless cycle of blood moon with the rise of ganon and his malice.
"Daylight comes and goes, but the sun never shines."
Refering to the underground world. Where the sun never shines...
This is nonsense. If we go by your key, the left panel should translate to "HIKARUK-UKARSHI-HIKARUKA" and the right panel to "DARIOSA-OHEDAI-ENKRON". You cannot attribute so many "transcription errors" into making up a phrase that sounds like gibberish in Japanese.
I do see a mistake in that work. But let’s take what you have and convert it to raw Hiragana. ひかるくからしひからか, which means “from brightest day to darkest”.
Consider that this isn’t even including the proper Kanji at this point. If anything, not using Kuma (shade) makes it work even better
“Hikaruku” could translate to “shining”, and “kara” does mean “from”. But how does “しひかる” translate to anything like “darkness”?
@@flyingstraightup I wish I had more time to go in depth but I don’t. I’m not sure of your proficiency with Japanese but if you like, go put the Hiragana into deepl or romajidesu and see for yourself. I don’t recommend Google translate ever because it doesn’t handle lots of text that doesn’t have indicators of possession (の)
@@Magic.Pixie.Dreamgirl Unfortunately, as a Japanese native speaker I do have to agree that this sounds like quite a bit of nonsense. The ひかる, part, sure, I understand where you're coming from, as well as the から, but changing it to 「ひかるく」 (I'm assuming this is being interpreted as "light", but being turned into a verb? ひかる is already a verb in itself, there's no reason to add the く) is just grammatically incorrect. 「しひからか」is just a non-sentence as well. (Or at the very least, has nothing to do with darkness.) Same goes for the right panel - it really just means absolutely nothing, so I was incredibly confused when it was shown on screen as if it were a complete sentence.
If we were to write out your translation in Japanese, of "from brightest day to the darkest", it would be something more along the lines of 「ひかるひからくらいひへ」, and even then that's just "from a bright day to a dark day". You could express it differently, of course, for example 「ひかりのひからくらやみのひへ」(and I won't claim to know all of Japanese vocabulary, I'm certain there are better ways to express it using better compound words), but what I'm trying to say is that it sounds nothing like the sentence you've produced here. The examples I've provided here also are really basic - like a child's Japanese - which could be poetic, I suppose? But I doubt so.
From what I can tell this seems to be a program trying to make connections or translations where there aren't any translations to be made? Still, I'd really appreciate getting to know more about your process, and look forward to the next video!
Wow this is why I love being a Zelda fan. Such a cool community. Great job by everyone involved, thanks for all the hard work!
Wait a zonai zen sound like
yoga 🧘♀️🧘♂️ for balanced of life ✨️ 😌
It should also be noted that we’re all going on the strong assumption that the text is definitively Zonai. There’s strong evidence to make this case, but it’s not been officially confirmed by Nintendo so we don’t know that it is 100% Zonai writing
i belive the meeting of lovers could mean this there is a theory that the golden orb is zeldas spirit and that she died during the fall maybe meeting of lovers means the meeting of zeldas spirit and link
Thank you for translating! Can’t wait for the next part. I found it interesting about the 2 lovers. I actually came across an image the other day and thought the image was similar to the image on Links shield. It’s called ‘The Rising Woman Symbol’ which represents the divine femine energy (the moon) merging with the divine masculine energy (the sun) to create the alchemy of divine union
with spirit.
Hmm I'm thinking, has anyone tried to use that to translate those symbols seen in the very first trailer? 🤔 in the green glowing spiral holding Ganondorf. Hear people saying it was gerudo but idk.
I actually looked at it and drew out most of the swirl as best as I could in a straight line while watching the trailer frame by frame. I got about 3~5 lines per page and from what I can see there are about about 6-7 symbols repeating over and over again.
Only one of the letters seems to match the Gerudo language, which is the letter for "s". The rest seem to different from Gerudo and even different from the runes written on the wall next to the unidentified floati-boi diety. It is possible looking at my sheets for both sets of characters that the swirl has a "cursive" version of the runes on the wall flowing through it though.
"Meeting of lovers"
Zelink fans going crazy rn lol.
I just want to say I genuinely love y’all and your coverage. I’m employed full time and raising a family so I can’t pay as much attention to game coverage as much as I’d like but man I love pulling your videos up and just listening while cooking or cleaning or working out. Love y’all! Keep up the great work!
Zoey is AWESOME!
Yesssss! Been waiting for this
"When the sun sets, the moon turns red" - Yeah, that sounds like blood moon to me 🤔
"The meeting of lovers"
I get so choked up at the cutscenes..
Because everything begins to feel like a huge metaphor, that overarching theme of love defeating anything and being the real source of power.
Just a small rant. Why are people saying creature in the trailer with the 7 tears around it is Vaati? Why would Vaati and Zelda be holding hands??? C'mon people stop. 🤣🤣🤣
Why not a lot of things could happen over ten thousand years
People have been trying to make Vaati at thing any time there's an eye symbol.
Another great video Jesse. Commonwealth Realm and you are amazing Zelda channels. Can’t wait for Tuesday.
Meeting/joining of souls?
Moon turns red- blood moon in last trailer, building of counselors- building of constructs
Excelente trabajo!. Imagino las horas que llevo descifrar esto, gracias por compartirlo con todos los zelderos!
Zoey M, gracias y mucho exito para ti
This video has inspired me to do this and has allowed me to meet so many amazing people. I still can't even explain half of it but thank you, all of you.
A tip for pronouncing Japanese words well enough for talking about a translation like this: The vowels in Japanese are a i u e o, and they are pronounced sort of like, ah, ee, ooh, eh, oh. Or like the vowels in talk, tea, too, pet, no. This is true even when two vowels are next to each other, so "ai" is "ah ee", which sounds like the English word "eye".
For any pedants who see this, this is an oversimplification, but just knowing this and pronouncing the consonants like in English will get you as close as you need to be for reading out a Japanese word while talking in English about what it means.
I had a free it was something to do with Japanese how the text layout in the game. But it kinda cool they have different text base off different civilization in game
Hey Jesse what about the colector edition translate?, Giant Hugo from argentina
Just came in here to recommend people watch the first 17 minutes of "Nanatsu no Taizai: Tenkuu no Torawarebito". TOTK could be something like it.
Can someone tell me what the zonai runes say on the wooden plaque bonus gift… please?
I see people still trying to translate this. Is this outdated ?
I don't know much about translating unknown scripts, but I imagine it's easy to come up with something that fits but is totally wrong. I'm also sceptical that it's possible to work out the translation with so little text available. This stuff should be treated as speculative until it's reviewed by someone else who knows about cryptography and translation.
I myself treat it as speculative in spite of my own efforts and research hours. With English, it’s very easy to luck into things. The Z13 cipher has thousands of possible solutions. With Japanese it is harder but not impossible.
my goodness… aren’t you just stating the utterly obvious? and repeating what Zoey said herself? she’s clearly put a LOT of well reasoned thought into this… and offers what she has found very humbly. comments like yours are discouraging… and i for one would very much like for her to continue pursuing these fascinating cyphers. maybe consider others who freely give their time and energy for our pleasure and entertainment.
^^^ my thoughts lol, “I don’t know much about translating…” okay……………
@@Magic.Pixie.Dreamgirl Do you have the Japanese text with Kanji? I'm trying to make sense of your translations, e.g. how does あいとる mean "meeting of lovers"?
Another idea to explain the lack of characters and frequent repetition: It could be a Hiragana-based abjad like the one sometimes used in Japanese internet slang, e.g. kwsk = KuWaSiKu = 詳しくor BBA = BaBaA = ばばぁ. You basically take the first letter of every romanized Hiragana symbol (one row, one symbol except for the あ-row). This type of abjad wouldn't have significantly fewer letters than an alphabet but probably a lot more repetition in Japanese.
@@izzyizzi Correct, bozo, nothing I said in my comment required expert knowledge about translating.
The texts in the trailer reminds me of Chinese Great Seal script and the Oracle Bone script.
Wait, “building of counselors” sounds like sages
I've been waiting for this! Thank you!
How many subs did you guys get in the last few days?
Hint Mochi
Nintendo employee
Bye bye
This is why Nintendo tries to hide so much of TOTK and is so careful at putting out trailers. 😁 You guys are very good at this and Nintendo knows it. Good job. 👍👍
I hope the devs are tickled and delighted at the community's voracious dedication to solving these crumbs they give us. You KNOW they wanted us to see that text. It was obvious on the tapestry :)
Finally! Can't wait to watch!!!
I do not think that this translation is very reliable also because this alphabet is not present in any zelda
That’s not good logic lmao
AMAZING video!
DUDE OMG I’ve been wanting this since day one.
Vốn những bài hát ngày xưa đã rất hay rồi mà thêm giọng hát giàu cảm xúc của Phúc nữa thì đúng là cực phẩm cover😍
Man, I wish I was that smart
What lovers though? Hudson and Rhondson? Kafei and Anju? I can't think of any other lovers as main back characters. Unless it references the fan want for Link and Zelda to be a couple?
I just realized in his outfit changes. His hair is tied up in his Champion tunic/garbs. In his Age of Courage tunic/garbs his hair is free flowing!
Maybe it is about the 7th Goddess or something like that people have been saying
Jesse, I want you to look at the Japanese story of Taketori Monogatari. It might interest you and Zoey.
I’m going to dig into this!
@@Magic.Pixie.Dreamgirl ooh
Hey! so odds are I’m just overthinking stuff but the upside down triangle on the mystery person in the new trailer might be something to look into. Idk for sure but I think a few years ago I heard a theory video mention the upside down triangle cutout in the middle of the triforce that I might try to find to see for sure.
update! I rewatched the video and it’s by Nintendo black crisis. It’s not that the tetraforce physically exists, but instead that it takes the whole triforce to create the shape, giving it a special symbolism! NBC explains it in more depth but next time I get hold of botw I’m gonna start the game over and figure out in which great plateau shrine the monk is making an upside down triangle to see if it has any symbolism regarding the matter!
does anyone else HATE what YT have done with the new comments panel? It's so fkn annoying.
Idk if anyone else noticed that there are also rune symbols at 13:27 right behind Link's arm and hand glowing green. What does those translate to?
Terrific work! Congrats, you have big brains
Love deep dives like this, real dedication. Thanks for sharing, love the podcast as well! 💜
Amazing. Thanks for the work you do in these videos and sharing information from other contacts with us!
Zoey M is amazing. I was hoping someone would give the language an attempt!!! 😊
Thankyou Zoe and Jesse! It's very interesting and keep up the great work!!!
i think the hyrulian podcast people will have a field day tomorrow with all this.
I learned so much about Japanese poetry in this video lol
This video feels like a waste of time. The so called process could’ve been summed up in a 5 minute video, not 16. And as others have pointed out, the translation process is off or highly speculative. I don’t think this is the smoking gun you think it is...looking forward to the part 2 video where you actually will connect the ideas.
I thought the entire video was super interesting, the detailed process and revisions towards more accurate solutions were really intriguing. I thought Zoey's work given such little information to go off of was incredible. Definitely not a waste of time and even though I had the video on x2 speed I thought it was well worth watching.
I wonder what the wall in a link beteen worlds say. The ending scene
😎
“Meeting of lovers”. Sidon confirmed
I have a (not so) small theory that I basically stole from a german channel ("Roxtendo"), but it's just too good to not share since it doesn't have english subtitles even a year after the upload.
So... What if everything happening in the Zelda Universe is trapped in a loop? Not literally going back in time, but events being predestined to happen again and BotW is the Legend told in Skyward sword happening again. Like, the calamity of "Demise" (now old Ganondorf) rising from the ground, forcing Hylia (In BotW it's the suspiciously powerful Zelda) to lift the Ground and safe Hyrule's citizens. In SS' Legend, the evil monsters, qoute "burn woods" (to wipe out powerful Deku Tree), explaining why he isn't seen in any of TotK's trailers. More possible evidence could be found in OoT; Why does Link dream of Ganondorf chasing Zelda+Impa? Fate? Or maybe hidden memories from a previous loop? How can Windmill Dude know the song of storms? He remembers young Link from a previous loop. There are far more examples of possible proof for this, but too much to put in a YT comment. If you understand german, here's the original theory: ruclips.net/video/50s1AFOnC5M/видео.html
Cool but how do you explain the ruins from Skyward sword that is found in BOTW?
I'm... I'm in love with your voice. 🙁
Holy smokes this lady is smart.
Was on the edge of my seat with this one!
I hope this game has bamboo forests
I don’t think the text seen in the dragons for the logo means meeting of lovers
The ouroborus doesn’t mean it nor does it represent anything of the sort
Can you please provide what you believe it translates to than?
@@GameOverJesse I’m not sure but, meeting of lovers doesn’t exactly make that much sense for the visual representation Curse of Demise
@@julien6871 , but that's not the only meaning, the cycle is normaly represented by one dragon or serpent biting its own tale, but here there are two dragons, probably representing two people tied together, or two lovers, this is the second meaning, so yes, "meeting of lovers" makes sense, besides its what the text says
@@doloresgronenberg5882 either way this games symbol isn’t an Ouroboros.
@@doloresgronenberg5882 also just because someone says that it’s the translation doesn’t mean it’s 100% true
Terriko won't be in totk
Worth the wait!!! ❤
The Zelda fandom is the only fandom crazy enough to translated made-runes for an upcoming game. I love you all , amazing work
Perfect TRAINSLATION