"i coded on my ipad" *remotes into a normal computer, connects the iPad to another screen, uses a physical keyboard, literally circumvents the idea of using an iPad for coding in every way* lol
@@BS-jw7nf I've been developing for 16 years now and used PC previously, but now I'm interested in the new iPad. I don't want old one and the new one is pretty cheap, only around 1500€. Lightning port, 5G, etc. 13" tablets are very good for dev imo, my Surface 13" with browser IDE (Codespaces) + VPS control via SSH has been perfect experience. M1 is limited on the new iPad. I know what I am doing.
It's funny cos you had ro remote into your computer and then connect back to the same monitor that was connected to your pc and it kinda defeats the whole purpose of coding on the ipad in the first place.
Yeah exactly. All the comments are saying the same 😂. I suppose it means you can carry around one light device though but you can buy thin and powerful laptops too.
Apart from being a fantastic tool for artists, the iPad Pros feel like a tool for a job already fixed with laptops. Apple keeps forcing you to use their iOS products how they want. Hardware isn't the issue, the OS continues to be the limiting factor. You defiantly have to do more workarounds to get a job done, which begs the question - why not just use a laptop? iPads are still a consumption product first.
@@eckee yes. But we need to accept that. The iPad is a tool for everyone. With everyone I mean really everyone from 4 to 80+ years. It needs to be easy in use without having the issue to permanently run in failures etc We are geeks but the most iPad users aren’t ^^ And they aren’t asking for what we ask.
What I like about the iPad Pro is how light and portable it is. The battery life is great, but it varies on what you’re doing. The OS isn’t that bad, but yeah it’s limiting. It reminds me of Windows with their tablets, on how they look and acted like a regular Windows 8 OS, but when it came to installing software you could only get them through their windows store as “apps” which felt very dumb. But also give it time, its evolving. The iPad in its beginning made no sense and memes pour out about “hey I got my new iPad (ipod/iphone) 20 with its huge 2x1 feet screen”. Yet, it only made sense to use it to watch movies and browse the internet or even look up news. Now it can easily be used as a more compact laptop, the storage isn’t bad due to how things are more compressed. I can have Microsoft office and take less than 500MB on the iPad while it would take around 4GB average on a PC. In the long run you conserve more memory on an iPad than having to pay more money for storage on a iMac. It all depends on your needs honestly. And your budget
That's a big issue with Apple. They don't love users doing things they didn't think of. Making M1 MacOS programs work on an iPad pro is a pretty obvious choice, but Apple is more worried about error messages showing up and ruining their reputation, than they are about users being able to do whatever they want.
I think I'd used my iPad as primary device for production for 6 months. 80% of dev time is outdoor. iPad's battery work very well. Now I use Blink Shell connecting to AWS Lightsail VPS everyday, so it is just working on a Linux machine. Less than 10% of time, I use Textastic + Working Copy (best UX, tho). Dev locally on iPad doesn't work at all (for money... um...).
The web version is good however it lacks some serious tools like SSH, PlatformIO IDE, integrated terminal, run & debug, etc. I feel like it's wiser to just get the cheapest macbook with m1 or a very cheap windows laptop (Idealpad, huawei matepad) and then install arch linux on it.
@@araskoca8172 you can also literally have a emulated complete linux environment, for free, it's called iSH. You can do whatever you want, vim, http, ftp, sftp servers, and almost any other thing you can use linux for,
I’ve been doing iPad mini 5 as my main device for about a year. Surprisingly, I didn’t really think about it until now. I do, however work with movie production, and I rely on the provided PCs for that kind of work, as they’ve got avid, DaVinci, and all Adobe programs.
During the covid-19 pandemic, I also set up a similar process as you: working on an ipad remoted to a PC. I had to buy additional hardware (with an app included) to help turn my PC on and off remotely
I think this video does a pretty good job of showing why you shouldn’t code via an iPad. Coding is not a touch-first activity, so for an iPad to perform, at a minimum it has to offer a laptop-like interface, with a keyboard and mouse or trackpad. In other words, you would have to use the iPad as a laptop anyway But the software on an iPad is not code-friendly, so you have to rely on either cloud computing or remote access to another computer. You are basically trying to bypass the iPad’s unsuitable OS and just use the hardware. But we’ve already established that the hardware you’re using is trying to emulate a laptop So now you’re using an iPad without its core hardware feature (the touch screen) in favor of a laptop-like interface, while trying to avoid the software limitations inherent to iPadOS (its lack of support for local coding of any kind) by accessing a computer OS instead. So, what you have is a laptop, except you can’t use it for coding without an internet connection. What a suboptimal situation! Surely it’s smarter to simply buy a cheap, used laptop if you’re going to use it as a glorified dummy terminal anyway? I love the iPad, and I wish things were different, but as it stands, the iPad is a poor choice for coding.
@@eggnog97 Nope it isn’t gonna come anytime soon because apple wants you to buy an iPad AND a Mac for home and one for travel, where iPad is for light tasks, Travel MacBook is for actual work and the Home Mac is for real real real work. The iPad will not ever be a Mac with pro apps because apple wants money.
An iPad purely for programming is silly, even with the benefits like tapping where you want the cursor because you can just get a touch screen laptop. I'm looking into this because I'm really into the note taking aspect and using it for art, but it's too expensive to justify buying it just for that purpose. So I look at it as a replacement for my laptop, but then it isn't really a replacement if I can't program on it. So for me, the ability to remote desktop to my PC is a huge game changer for buying an iPad
I also tried a few things to do coding on an iPad. Coder , Remote login etc. As you said, without a keyboard and touchpad, you can't do anything productive. So the device to go is still my 12 inch Macbook from 2015. It is even lighter than the iPad with keyboard. My development environment is on a linux virtual machine and I make a backup of the image every evening. Takes only 3 minutes with an ssd. When I wan't to do some coding or support on the road, I copy the image to the 12inch Macbook and have the complete environment as I left it. The Macbook can handle the virtual machine with no problem. Lots of advantages. I have two backups (SSD and 12inch Macbook). The Macbook can easily sit on the lap while working and is a complete MacOS device. I will think about the iPad again when Apple has something like Lenovo does with the Duet: Tablet mode (iPadOS) when undocked, desktop mode (MacOS) when docked. A keyboard with function keys and ESC-key would be mandatory.
I'm a engineer engaged in the construction industry and I use my ipad pro 11 2020 model for plan reviews, commenting, shop drawings, estimating, emails, and the rest is for entertainment. Most of the heavy work I do on my windows laptop. All in all my ipad serves its purpose.
I wish I could install macOS or linux on iPad. This would really be a breakthrough technology. You do not really need a mouse if you have touch screen and a wireless keyboard should work fine. All I am missing is - operating system.
a good effort..., but a touchscreen samsung, dell or hp could do more and even at a much lower cost. The minute anyone use a keyboard with an iPad they are showing a pc laptop is better for what there doing. The problem with iPads is the os which is a workflow killer.
Hi,Adrian. For the next clip, please list or show the development tools of favorited programming language, it will help more people using iPad as development tools. I also use iPad as development tools for Rust and Haskell, but consumed a lot of time searching the tools. If it possible, please make the next clip for that.
I just discovered that using my iPad notes app (GoodNotes in my case) is very helpful for outlining some code and getting an idea of what to do before going to actually code it on the IDE. A physical notepad is not the same as iPad notepad and all its features like erase, redo, move text, etc.
So technically, you need a computer turned on 24/7 just to use your ipad like a laptop. Solution: Buy a laptop. Personally I think the title was a bit clickbaity considering he knew the outcome and still chose it. Should have been "I tried coding on my ipad and failed" then proceeding on explaining why and then that a realistic solution would just to be- buy a laptop. Also, there's multiple other ways he could have tried before resulting to remote desktop apps. FTP is not really secure either so I wouldn't recommend that but he didn't even try SSHing into a server and figuring out something that way, nor 100s of other apps that could have provided him different functions and maybe solutions. I could easily code on any system using an ipad if it was just for web design, like in this case. SSH into the server, git clone over my vim config files from github and bam.. Done! (configs aren't really needed either) Just need a basic terminal app. I don't own an ipad anymore but from when I did- I'm sure there was an app called Terminus or something which I used to use and its as basic as adding in a new connection to all your servers with a given name, then jobs a good'un. Another thing I would instantly think of would be to run a linux distro on the ipad itself. I'm sure someone has figured out a way to do something similar to the Termux app on android which then he could have installed code-server and used that near enough natively. This is obviously aside from the keyboard issue itself not including f keys and such. If this isn't a solution as I'm not really sure what apps are on the ios store anymore. I'm sure he could have got a raspberry pi that could have been powered through the ipads port or an external power bank then ssh'd into that to do basically the same thing. I'd still class this as not really coding on the ipad, more like coding on the raspberry pi using the ipad as a monitor, but I'd still class it as a better solution than remote desktop. As first of all, you'd need to own a pc in the first place (most people already will) but for viewers who are coming to learn how to code natively on the ipad due to the fact they might not have a pc.. This would just be a bummer for them. The video production and information is good in some sense, but it should have completely been done a different way and looked at all possible solutions first rather than focusing on remote desktop for like 90% of it. Comes across to me that he's had an idea and jumped at the first thing he thought of rather than doing a bit of research just for a video. I don't want to knock the guy because he is making a video for viewers to help them which is a selfless act in itself. By no means am I trying to either. Just the title and the way the video is structured solely focusing on remote desktop is definitely not benefitable to anyone wanting to code on an ipad.
Setup a command line workflow, Get a shell/terminal app for iPad (Blink is great), ssh into computer, learn Vim. Vim is perfect for iPad! There is no UI, so it maximizes code area, and it requires no mouse/cursor input.
Hm... I think doing everything 100% on the ipad would be the ultimate dream. Using a remote desktop app still feels a bit like cheating, but at least you have the portability.
@@AdrianTwarog they won't. iPadOS is sandboxed from macOS and iOS, if they would unlock actual desktop on iPads, there would be no reason to sell MacBooks anymore. Thats just Apple.
Google remote desktop allows you to code anywhere from ur "home base"...Ive used it for years and code from my phone on a regular basis...a tablet or practically anything that will run the remote desktop app is a perfect gateway
While this is just projecting your desktop to an iPad, as an aspiring software engineer with a decently beefy computer, doing this without having to buy a whole other laptop will help a lot especially when I am not home often. Being able to use my iPad to use my PC sounds great to me.
This is another perfect illustration that there is no point for high performance iPad. I did similar thing few year ago and ended in the same way, RDP, which effectively turning the iPad into an expensive terminal and probably most much cheaper Android Tablet can do.
Reason why iPads being powerful is pointless is because iOS running the device is limited. Apple either just give power users MacOS or seriously upgrade to a better OS instead of insisting running the iPad with a gimped iPhoneOS that’s hold it back.
@@AdmiralBison iPad OS will never equal to MacOs and Apple will never make iPad fully as laptop replacement. Apple still have Macbook segment to earn the profit.
For you. No point for high performance for you. You’re just not the target audience for this device. All that new features they’ve added, and how Apple advertises it, it is clear that main target audience is creative crowd. Specifically graphic designers/video creators/writers. And even for video creators they promote it as a supplementary device (considering prices on professional video equipment $1099+ for the iPad Pro is nothing). I’m pretty sure no one at Apple thinks about coders as a target audience for iPad Pro. It is weird why people try use it for this purpose. Probably just a nature of programmers…
i had an ipad and it was a great experience for studying and talking a note while reading a books and search something on google that related on your study objectives im a stundent and this ipad give me a lot of benefits to make my study visions
I was thinking to replace my old Lenovo X1 yoga laptop with an iPad for occasional remote working but the iPad OS is just garbage. If only MacOS would be available for the new M1 iPad pro I would buy one immediately.
You see there is a solution, just leave you X1 running at home with remote desktop turned on and run around with an iPad lol. And yes, I also see this M1 iPad as a waste of potential with that iPad OS. I guess our only hope is that Microsoft with make a similarly great ARM chip and make the Windows RT actually good, then only apple would feel pressured to make iPad actually useful.
I hated Koder on my iPad. I just found it too annoying. So I set up VS Code via Code-Server on the AWS free tier and started using it that way. However, I still prefer my MacBook for long coding sessions as after a while, the smaller screen on the iPad starts to drive me crazy.
I have exactly same goal, I want to do coding using iPad or Android tablet. As for now, I use it as a terminal, but it depends on a home computer. But I want to do the same on the beach or other location. How many people do have same problem? If a lot, then it is the time to start a good business.
For me this is excellent. I've been looking for an iPad knowing the limits of coding. Having remote desktop can be useful for a full desktop machine been used remotely with an iPad.
Perfect a programmer with an iPad. What I use my I pad for is for drawing prototypes and taking notes. Its easier for a full stack developer keep implementing features and steering away from the initial design.
@Isaaq Both have 100% DciP3 and around the same PPI, whats the difference in content consumption? I would argue that the UI feels better on ipad coz of the 120hz display..
@@sivamanipatnala5517 I want iPad for reading books and watching videos, MacBook takes a lot of space with its keyboard and trackpad. It also can't be folded as iPad.
@Isaaq But still, the ipad pro's price tag doesnt justify its functionality , or lack of functionality there is, software is just very much limited and the ipad pro is just a bad product overall, I guess we must see what apple has to unveil in their WWDC tomorrow ...
Totally worth it buying a 16gb ipad pro M1 and then remote onto my pc, but I don't really seem to understand why. Ipad os rocks, for noobs. For developers, designers etc. ur cheap PC or laptop is the best thing.
Yeah it’s more I want a simple device to carry around, the iPad feels good but don’t need the highest specs especially if I found Remote Desktop the best option
@@AdrianTwarog if only some big tech company could launch an IDE, and if iPad os just tones down a bit and give free hand on storage and file mgmt, developers can do wonders. Few days to wwdc, let’s see.
I'm a developer by day, and an illustrator by night. It's a strange thing, because for serious development work, the iPad is a worthless toy. But then, when I switch to my illustrator persona, nothing is better than the iPad, and the laptop feels like a clunky remnant of a bygone era. If only the iPad could do development as well as it does some other things.
I'm not sure this is right. Apple's sales of iPads overshadow Macs for quite a big margin. From a financial point of view, they'd be happy if iPads cannibalized Macs. It's probably in their long-term strategy. They just don't want to do it so suddently.
I have textastic as my coding app on the iPad. What I want to be able to do is SSH into my pi and run my code on there. Need to figure out the workflow but Textastic has SSH built in so I think I could do it. I find it such a nice experience coding on the iPad.
Sitting in this position for hours might actually kill your back ... thats the main reason why any workflow on ipads for as long as there is no real second display output is a nightmare, and as it turns out apple just doesnt care..
@@udtaraijin yeah but we already have e-ink devices with android like the onyx note air (or max lumi that's bigger) and you can plug a direct USB keyboard... Or a bluetooth...
Maybe you could customize the desktop so that it suits the tablet-like screen. Things like font scaling and tablet mode. In art community, we have Tablet Pro on-screen hotkeys, you probably could configure it to work with f-keys.
@@AdrianTwarog It might be overkill, but you could use Apple Pencil on remote with Duet Display Pro. May solve the mouse problem but might be too expensive for a simple function. Basically, you're making your iPad into remote desktop Surface Pro.😂
To be fair this is a reasonable setup when your work cannot be done easily and locally on any of the laptops available, or you will sacrifice portability, e.g. EDA/large simulation etc. Not that this is the way to go b/c the softwares should improve, but it indeed is coding on an iPad or other tablet.
I think using chromebooks for coding is making much more sense then using a ipad,at least I can work locally and have full control of the linux container
I’m a computer science student 👩🏻💻 I code on my iPad Air & magic keyboard And I love it , But iPad it’s not for everyone You have to know what u need on the device so u can buy what u like and what u need 👍🏼
I just use my 14" laptop, practical and portable anywhere. When I'm at my office, just hdmi into my bigger screen and boom, same powerhouse with bigger environment. Buuut, bringing my tablet with me anywhere for customer support via remote desktop/anydesk is awesome and very practical indeed.
Adrian- very nice idea for this vid 😉 I think soon or later we will have more possibilities for coding on mobile devices at least for front-end tach 😉 Im not sure I was watching somethink about pencode options for flutter so it looks like you can do a lot online 😉😊 Adrian can you do similar video about design soft ? maybe test figma on ipad or try to find useful app like affinity designer or maybe somethink more pro for designers?
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@@Hatzlaha да дело не в этом, у самого и макбук есть и айпэд с клавой, это девайсы для разных кейсов, то что может и где нужен айпэд, макбук не заменит его и наоборот. С выходом модели на М1, надеюсь начнут понемногу давать взрослый софт на айпэд, ждём WWDC. По сути вполне можно настроить среду для полноценного кодинга на айпэд, если есть внешний сервер, но нормально работать это все равно не позволит. Я устраиваю себе раз в неделю «день iPad», в этот день я использую в работе только айпэд и ничего больше, первые эксперименты были очень болезненные, но сейчас я вполне обхожусь и без подключений к домашнему кому через удаленку, так было проще всего конечно сделать
@@alienmorf А у Вас какой iPad? Просто сейчас как раз выбираю новый iPad, с размером не могу определиться. Вроде как хочется 12.9 на м1 из-за экрана хочется, но в тоже время не хочется с размером напутать, ибо часто iPad использую без клавы и будет ли 12.9 удобен в таком формате использования, не знаю. Да и цена такая, что вообще задуматься несложно, о целесообразности такого планшета.
He is not emulating. Also, this just shows that it is almost necessary to erase all the evidence that you are using an iPad to get work done on an ipad.
It can’t runs apps though and the apps on windows store aren’t that good but if you need a tablet or a really portable device for coding surface is good
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"i coded on my ipad" *remotes into a normal computer, connects the iPad to another screen, uses a physical keyboard, literally circumvents the idea of using an iPad for coding in every way* lol
exactly
😂
Thanks you save my time
right. why am i getting recommended this shit
Might as well get an M1 macbook pro instead of ipad + magic keyboard.
This is more like "I tried coding on windows with remote control and an ipad keyboard" 👀
@@BS-jw7nf I've been developing for 16 years now and used PC previously, but now I'm interested in the new iPad. I don't want old one and the new one is pretty cheap, only around 1500€. Lightning port, 5G, etc. 13" tablets are very good for dev imo, my Surface 13" with browser IDE (Codespaces) + VPS control via SSH has been perfect experience. M1 is limited on the new iPad. I know what I am doing.
I can code on my ipad, as long as I add a keyboard and remote to my real computer
just use your laptop [khabi lame face]
Yeah so smh it's just basically a laptop🤦♀️
@@RRJOfficial 1500€ isn't cheap wtf lol
It's funny cos you had ro remote into your computer and then connect back to the same monitor that was connected to your pc and it kinda defeats the whole purpose of coding on the ipad in the first place.
Yeah exactly. All the comments are saying the same 😂. I suppose it means you can carry around one light device though but you can buy thin and powerful laptops too.
He turned his iPad Pro into a Surface Pro X 😂. Basically a thin and light laptop.
@@bradavon Correct me if I'm wrong but I think 12'9 iPad pro combined with a magic keyboard are heavier than a MacBook air
@@vincenttse3167 yeah I know right. Heavier then a Surface Pro X too. The apple magic keyboard is over engineered.
@@vincenttse3167 Yep. The iPad pro is unfortunately not for us programmers.
Apart from being a fantastic tool for artists, the iPad Pros feel like a tool for a job already fixed with laptops. Apple keeps forcing you to use their iOS products how they want. Hardware isn't the issue, the OS continues to be the limiting factor. You defiantly have to do more workarounds to get a job done, which begs the question - why not just use a laptop? iPads are still a consumption product first.
And they aren’t cheaper than laptops when you add the keyboard case. However if Apple lets us use macOS apps on M1 iPad Pro I’m buying it.
@@IboKnowsBest Yeah, I expect so too. It's a shame Apple locks their amazing hardware behind software.
@@eckee yes. But we need to accept that. The iPad is a tool for everyone. With everyone I mean really everyone from 4 to 80+ years. It needs to be easy in use without having the issue to permanently run in failures etc
We are geeks but the most iPad users aren’t ^^
And they aren’t asking for what we ask.
What I like about the iPad Pro is how light and portable it is. The battery life is great, but it varies on what you’re doing. The OS isn’t that bad, but yeah it’s limiting. It reminds me of Windows with their tablets, on how they look and acted like a regular Windows 8 OS, but when it came to installing software you could only get them through their windows store as “apps” which felt very dumb. But also give it time, its evolving. The iPad in its beginning made no sense and memes pour out about “hey I got my new iPad (ipod/iphone) 20 with its huge 2x1 feet screen”. Yet, it only made sense to use it to watch movies and browse the internet or even look up news. Now it can easily be used as a more compact laptop, the storage isn’t bad due to how things are more compressed. I can have Microsoft office and take less than 500MB on the iPad while it would take around 4GB average on a PC. In the long run you conserve more memory on an iPad than having to pay more money for storage on a iMac. It all depends on your needs honestly. And your budget
That's a big issue with Apple. They don't love users doing things they didn't think of. Making M1 MacOS programs work on an iPad pro is a pretty obvious choice, but Apple is more worried about error messages showing up and ruining their reputation, than they are about users being able to do whatever they want.
I think I'd used my iPad as primary device for production for 6 months. 80% of dev time is outdoor. iPad's battery work very well.
Now I use Blink Shell connecting to AWS Lightsail VPS everyday, so it is just working on a Linux machine.
Less than 10% of time, I use Textastic + Working Copy (best UX, tho).
Dev locally on iPad doesn't work at all (for money... um...).
You cloud install code-server on a raspberry pi and run this server over usb c, then you can access an instance on vs code on the iPad
VS Code is going to release its web version, after which ipad is going to become a real productivity tool.
But when
Lmao that Microsoft needs to release a web version before the iPad becomes useful
The web version is good however it lacks some serious tools like SSH, PlatformIO IDE, integrated terminal, run & debug, etc. I feel like it's wiser to just get the cheapest macbook with m1 or a very cheap windows laptop (Idealpad, huawei matepad) and then install arch linux on it.
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This is just “I try coding remotely on my pc via ipad for a week”
Haha that was the result, not the journey :
@@AdrianTwarog pretty sure it was both tho
@@AdrianTwarog thing is, there are much better apps for coding on iPad.
@@filippocld can you suggest best coding app that doesnt needs purchases??
@@araskoca8172 you can also literally have a emulated complete linux environment, for free, it's called iSH. You can do whatever you want, vim, http, ftp, sftp servers, and almost any other thing you can use linux for,
I’ve been doing iPad mini 5 as my main device for about a year. Surprisingly, I didn’t really think about it until now. I do, however work with movie production, and I rely on the provided PCs for that kind of work, as they’ve got avid, DaVinci, and all Adobe programs.
Petition to rename this video to "I tried coding on a smaller wireless display for a week'
But you can use an old android tablet if you use a remote desktop software and an external display ... You don't even need an iPad.
Exactly!
but its slow tho
@@TheHy6xD not for typing
During the covid-19 pandemic, I also set up a similar process as you: working on an ipad remoted to a PC. I had to buy additional hardware (with an app included) to help turn my PC on and off remotely
I think this video does a pretty good job of showing why you shouldn’t code via an iPad. Coding is not a touch-first activity, so for an iPad to perform, at a minimum it has to offer a laptop-like interface, with a keyboard and mouse or trackpad. In other words, you would have to use the iPad as a laptop anyway
But the software on an iPad is not code-friendly, so you have to rely on either cloud computing or remote access to another computer. You are basically trying to bypass the iPad’s unsuitable OS and just use the hardware. But we’ve already established that the hardware you’re using is trying to emulate a laptop
So now you’re using an iPad without its core hardware feature (the touch screen) in favor of a laptop-like interface, while trying to avoid the software limitations inherent to iPadOS (its lack of support for local coding of any kind) by accessing a computer OS instead. So, what you have is a laptop, except you can’t use it for coding without an internet connection. What a suboptimal situation! Surely it’s smarter to simply buy a cheap, used laptop if you’re going to use it as a glorified dummy terminal anyway? I love the iPad, and I wish things were different, but as it stands, the iPad is a poor choice for coding.
I had used my iPad as a whole nearly a year and kept everything there...thanks for the idea...I think I would like to try coding too
You should!
@@AdrianTwarog 😊
iOS 15 will bring an updated Swift Playgrounds that’ll let you make apps from the iPad! :D Announced at WWDC today 👍
Wich app?
@@brandnaqua bruh but it only has the swift coding language
Still waiting for Xcode to support on iPad.
One day
It’s coming in iOS 15
It was leaked.. I might have found it in shortcuts
@@eggnog97 Nope it isn’t gonna come anytime soon because apple wants you to buy an iPad AND a Mac for home and one for travel, where iPad is for light tasks, Travel MacBook is for actual work and the Home Mac is for real real real work. The iPad will not ever be a Mac with pro apps because apple wants money.
@@eggnog97 YOOO XCODE PREVIEWS
An iPad purely for programming is silly, even with the benefits like tapping where you want the cursor because you can just get a touch screen laptop. I'm looking into this because I'm really into the note taking aspect and using it for art, but it's too expensive to justify buying it just for that purpose. So I look at it as a replacement for my laptop, but then it isn't really a replacement if I can't program on it. So for me, the ability to remote desktop to my PC is a huge game changer for buying an iPad
The goal was to show the process, the results are for you to see, seems like each person has their own conclusion :)
@@AdrianTwarog Yeah I was overthinking it looking into people using a raspberry pi as a server to attach to the iPad. Remote desktop is way easier lol
@@TheSimpsoys I use a Raspberry pi and ssh into it with my iPad, it works great!
Agreed here
I also tried a few things to do coding on an iPad. Coder , Remote login etc. As you said, without a keyboard and touchpad, you can't do anything productive. So the device to go is still my 12 inch Macbook from 2015. It is even lighter than the iPad with keyboard. My development environment is on a linux virtual machine and I make a backup of the image every evening. Takes only 3 minutes with an ssd. When I wan't to do some coding or support on the road, I copy the image to the 12inch Macbook and have the complete environment as I left it. The Macbook can handle the virtual machine with no problem. Lots of advantages. I have two backups (SSD and 12inch Macbook). The Macbook can easily sit on the lap while working and is a complete MacOS device. I will think about the iPad again when Apple has something like Lenovo does with the Duet: Tablet mode (iPadOS) when undocked, desktop mode (MacOS) when docked. A keyboard with function keys and ESC-key would be mandatory.
Hope Flutter comes natively to iPad M1. That said iPadOS needs a Massive upgrade to be a Pro OS. The hardware capabilities far exceed the OS
Upgraded iPadOS is still iPadOS, not OSX.
The iP was already not hardware limited when it ran on the A series processors. Now with the M1, it’s even more software limited.
Then it wouldn't be an iPad.
I'm a engineer engaged in the construction industry and I use my ipad pro 11 2020 model for plan reviews, commenting, shop drawings, estimating, emails, and the rest is for entertainment. Most of the heavy work I do on my windows laptop. All in all my ipad serves its purpose.
What softwares you use to do your construction field works?
@@silmiyaali9050 DWG FASTVIEW, magicplan, sketchup, easy build pro, shapr3d
@@jnbq3537 is there any difference between autocad for window and auto cad for ios
And how was the performance while using autocad??
I wish I could install macOS or linux on iPad. This would really be a breakthrough technology. You do not really need a mouse if you have touch screen and a wireless keyboard should work fine. All I am missing is - operating system.
a good effort..., but a touchscreen samsung, dell or hp could do more and even at a much lower cost. The minute anyone use a keyboard with an iPad they are showing a pc laptop is better for what there doing. The problem with iPads is the os which is a workflow killer.
Yeah true, the solutions I came up with could end up working on any device,
iPad : Monitor
OS : Windows
Shirt : Linux
Hotel : Trivago
hahhahahahahha
Hi,Adrian. For the next clip, please list or show the development tools of favorited programming language, it will help more people using iPad as development tools. I also use iPad as development tools for Rust and Haskell, but consumed a lot of time searching the tools. If it possible, please make the next clip for that.
yeah that is a good thing and the most exciting thing about it is that you can take it with you every where
Lol I've been using remote desktop to do this for years now 😂😂 nothing beats having the performance of a full desktop everywhere you go 👌
I just discovered that using my iPad notes app (GoodNotes in my case) is very helpful for outlining some code and getting an idea of what to do before going to actually code it on the IDE. A physical notepad is not the same as iPad notepad and all its features like erase, redo, move text, etc.
Why didn't you just use Remote Desktop? It's built into Windows Pro.
...and Windows Home. But, the purpose is to allow the iPad to control the PC, not the other way around. Mind to explain?
@@orvvrono windows home doesnt have that feature
Basically using ipad to code, is only useful if you don’t have a good laptop but have a good desktop computer
So technically, you need a computer turned on 24/7 just to use your ipad like a laptop.
Solution: Buy a laptop.
Personally I think the title was a bit clickbaity considering he knew the outcome and still chose it.
Should have been "I tried coding on my ipad and failed" then proceeding on explaining why and then that a realistic solution would just to be- buy a laptop.
Also, there's multiple other ways he could have tried before resulting to remote desktop apps.
FTP is not really secure either so I wouldn't recommend that but he didn't even try SSHing into a server and figuring out something that way, nor 100s of other apps that could have provided him different functions and maybe solutions.
I could easily code on any system using an ipad if it was just for web design, like in this case.
SSH into the server, git clone over my vim config files from github and bam.. Done! (configs aren't really needed either)
Just need a basic terminal app. I don't own an ipad anymore but from when I did- I'm sure there was an app called Terminus or something which I used to use and its as basic as adding in a new connection to all your servers with a given name, then jobs a good'un.
Another thing I would instantly think of would be to run a linux distro on the ipad itself. I'm sure someone has figured out a way to do something similar to the Termux app on android which then he could have installed code-server and used that near enough natively. This is obviously aside from the keyboard issue itself not including f keys and such. If this isn't a solution as I'm not really sure what apps are on the ios store anymore. I'm sure he could have got a raspberry pi that could have been powered through the ipads port or an external power bank then ssh'd into that to do basically the same thing. I'd still class this as not really coding on the ipad, more like coding on the raspberry pi using the ipad as a monitor, but I'd still class it as a better solution than remote desktop. As first of all, you'd need to own a pc in the first place (most people already will) but for viewers who are coming to learn how to code natively on the ipad due to the fact they might not have a pc.. This would just be a bummer for them.
The video production and information is good in some sense, but it should have completely been done a different way and looked at all possible solutions first rather than focusing on remote desktop for like 90% of it.
Comes across to me that he's had an idea and jumped at the first thing he thought of rather than doing a bit of research just for a video.
I don't want to knock the guy because he is making a video for viewers to help them which is a selfless act in itself. By no means am I trying to either.
Just the title and the way the video is structured solely focusing on remote desktop is definitely not benefitable to anyone wanting to code on an ipad.
Setup a command line workflow, Get a shell/terminal app for iPad (Blink is great), ssh into computer, learn Vim. Vim is perfect for iPad! There is no UI, so it maximizes code area, and it requires no mouse/cursor input.
Hm... I think doing everything 100% on the ipad would be the ultimate dream. Using a remote desktop app still feels a bit like cheating, but at least you have the portability.
Until they actually let you run a desktop on an ipad
@@AdrianTwarog they won't. iPadOS is sandboxed from macOS and iOS, if they would unlock actual desktop on iPads, there would be no reason to sell MacBooks anymore.
Thats just Apple.
Google remote desktop allows you to code anywhere from ur "home base"...Ive used it for years and code from my phone on a regular basis...a tablet or practically anything that will run the remote desktop app is a perfect gateway
I’ve searched for this kinda testing video for years.
Appreciate it!!! Thx!
While this is just projecting your desktop to an iPad, as an aspiring software engineer with a decently beefy computer, doing this without having to buy a whole other laptop will help a lot especially when I am not home often. Being able to use my iPad to use my PC sounds great to me.
🌟Dm for help/support .
This is another perfect illustration that there is no point for high performance iPad. I did similar thing few year ago and ended in the same way, RDP, which effectively turning the iPad into an expensive terminal and probably most much cheaper Android Tablet can do.
Reason why iPads being powerful is pointless is because iOS running the device is limited.
Apple either just give power users MacOS or seriously upgrade to a better OS instead of insisting running the iPad with a gimped iPhoneOS that’s hold it back.
@@AdmiralBison iPad OS will never equal to MacOs and Apple will never make iPad fully as laptop replacement. Apple still have Macbook segment to earn the profit.
iPads should run macOS
@@RameezRazaRiaz99 only if they remove Macbook segment then yes.
For you. No point for high performance for you. You’re just not the target audience for this device. All that new features they’ve added, and how Apple advertises it, it is clear that main target audience is creative crowd. Specifically graphic designers/video creators/writers. And even for video creators they promote it as a supplementary device (considering prices on professional video equipment $1099+ for the iPad Pro is nothing). I’m pretty sure no one at Apple thinks about coders as a target audience for iPad Pro. It is weird why people try use it for this purpose. Probably just a nature of programmers…
i had an ipad and it was a great experience for studying and talking a note while reading a books and search something on google that related on your study objectives im a stundent and this ipad give me a lot of benefits to make my study visions
I was thinking to replace my old Lenovo X1 yoga laptop with an iPad for occasional remote working but the iPad OS is just garbage. If only MacOS would be available for the new M1 iPad pro I would buy one immediately.
You see there is a solution, just leave you X1 running at home with remote desktop turned on and run around with an iPad lol. And yes, I also see this M1 iPad as a waste of potential with that iPad OS. I guess our only hope is that Microsoft with make a similarly great ARM chip and make the Windows RT actually good, then only apple would feel pressured to make iPad actually useful.
"you were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you didn't stop to think if you should."
I hated Koder on my iPad. I just found it too annoying. So I set up VS Code via Code-Server on the AWS free tier and started using it that way. However, I still prefer my MacBook for long coding sessions as after a while, the smaller screen on the iPad starts to drive me crazy.
I miss my 13” MacBook
I have exactly same goal, I want to do coding using iPad or Android tablet. As for now, I use it as a terminal, but it depends on a home computer. But I want to do the same on the beach or other location. How many people do have same problem? If a lot, then it is the time to start a good business.
Exactly !
I use a GPD win 3, with a logitech bluetooth keyboard. It is an actual PC
Should have waited for Onexplayer
"is making sure I don't have to switch between my lap, my desktop, and my tablet"
KVMs are amazing!
For me this is excellent. I've been looking for an iPad knowing the limits of coding. Having remote desktop can be useful for a full desktop machine been used remotely with an iPad.
VS Code is coming to iPad Natively in WWDC. VS Code for m1 mac is based on iOS architecture instead of Apple Silicon Arch.
I thought I was on 2x Speed! Great Intro..until I figured out I had CAPS LOCK on... 😂
I waste no time, or breath!
i learned to code using a Surface Pro 7. So for like a year and a half, all I knew was small screens. it got the job done.
GitHub codespaces solved everything for me. Thanks for the vid
Perfect a programmer with an iPad.
What I use my I pad for is for drawing prototypes and taking notes. Its easier for a full stack developer keep implementing features and steering away from the initial design.
Is it good for Adobe photoshop ans SOLIDWORKS ??
Adrian, I’m truly sorry to say that MacBook Air M1 should be the one for you to do everything. 🤪
@Isaaq Both have 100% DciP3 and around the same PPI, whats the difference in content consumption? I would argue that the UI feels better on ipad coz of the 120hz display..
@@sivamanipatnala5517 I want iPad for reading books and watching videos, MacBook takes a lot of space with its keyboard and trackpad. It also can't be folded as iPad.
@@TheHy6xD for watching videos, ipad’s aspect ratio isnt that good, and u get huge black bars on the top and bottom…
@Isaaq What about blooming?
@Isaaq But still, the ipad pro's price tag doesnt justify its functionality , or lack of functionality there is, software is just very much limited and the ipad pro is just a bad product overall, I guess we must see what apple has to unveil in their WWDC tomorrow ...
Totally worth it buying a 16gb ipad pro M1 and then remote onto my pc, but I don't really seem to understand why. Ipad os rocks, for noobs. For developers, designers etc. ur cheap PC or laptop is the best thing.
Yeah it’s more I want a simple device to carry around, the iPad feels good but don’t need the highest specs especially if I found Remote Desktop the best option
@@AdrianTwarog if only some big tech company could launch an IDE, and if iPad os just tones down a bit and give free hand on storage and file mgmt, developers can do wonders. Few days to wwdc, let’s see.
I'm a developer by day, and an illustrator by night. It's a strange thing, because for serious development work, the iPad is a worthless toy. But then, when I switch to my illustrator persona, nothing is better than the iPad, and the laptop feels like a clunky remnant of a bygone era. If only the iPad could do development as well as it does some other things.
Apple does not want yout to use the iPad as a mac. It would have been great to do it but they will kill their macs if they do.
Probably true, way you say it makes sense
I'm not sure this is right. Apple's sales of iPads overshadow Macs for quite a big margin. From a financial point of view, they'd be happy if iPads cannibalized Macs. It's probably in their long-term strategy. They just don't want to do it so suddently.
I don't do hardcore coding, but I use a keyboard and a Android phone or tablet. Use termux and proot-distro. No other apps needed.
An actual useful real life review. Thumbs up from me
Thanks :)
I have textastic as my coding app on the iPad. What I want to be able to do is SSH into my pi and run my code on there. Need to figure out the workflow but Textastic has SSH built in so I think I could do it. I find it such a nice experience coding on the iPad.
Would be nice to try the same thing on the android side (with the galaxy tab S8+ / ultra for example) 😃
is that possible?
@@confidential303 probably not.
coding is just really great to start wherever you are a computer programmer
He slowly just turned the iPad into a (remote) desktop with a monitor 😂
iPad with the keyboard has nearly the same weight as a MacBook Pro so I think weight wise it makes more sense to carry a 13” MacBook around
One of the best iPad experience video on RUclips till today. Thanks so much!
Sitting in this position for hours might actually kill your back ... thats the main reason why any workflow on ipads for as long as there is no real second display output is a nightmare, and as it turns out apple just doesnt care..
What about coding in an e-ink device like the onyx note air so you don't burn your eyes? That could be a challenge...
Challenge won’t in reading, it will be in typing on an e ink display.
Or a google nest!
@@udtaraijin yeah but we already have e-ink devices with android like the onyx note air (or max lumi that's bigger) and you can plug a direct USB keyboard... Or a bluetooth...
Try to use the PlayJS. That's a entire Node JS Enviroment running on iPad OS, is awesome!
Your iPad secretly sent me this video recommendations 😂
thank you ipad :D
You can use a mouse on an iPad, USB with a dongle, or Bluetooth.
Maybe you could customize the desktop so that it suits the tablet-like screen. Things like font scaling and tablet mode. In art community, we have Tablet Pro on-screen hotkeys, you probably could configure it to work with f-keys.
Cool ill need to check it out
@@AdrianTwarog It might be overkill, but you could use Apple Pencil on remote with Duet Display Pro. May solve the mouse problem but might be too expensive for a simple function. Basically, you're making your iPad into remote desktop Surface Pro.😂
Hey that’s a pretty cool idea, I might just try it out
@@AdrianTwarog Another idea. You could use your phone as the preview device with local host tunneling like ngrok.io or exposed or something similar
@@delulu6969 that’s also cool, I’m gonna check that out
To be fair this is a reasonable setup when your work cannot be done easily and locally on any of the laptops available, or you will sacrifice portability, e.g. EDA/large simulation etc. Not that this is the way to go b/c the softwares should improve, but it indeed is coding on an iPad or other tablet.
That means you really need a real computer 😀
Haha in a sense!
@@AdrianTwarog No not "in a sense". You literary need a real computer.
@@AdrianTwarog not if you take the good app. Please try « Code App »
Some people might want to use FTP, and I haven’t check Android to see if there are better app solutions!
I’ll check it out
I was also thinking to use ipad for Coding but now I can say no one can replace macbook
Hey Adrian! I've been studying your youtube videos so I can make mine better. And it's very obvious the efforts you put into each one. Great work man!
Jump Desktop is great, but doesn’t have Webcam Redirection yet, so you can’t do proctored coding challenges or other web-cam required applications.
You made the perfect video sir!
Thabks!
This is basically click bite. You use ipad like middleman. In this case you can simply use any phone.
3:28 what a low latency shit omg
I just bought a Surface Pro 8 years ago and haven't looked back. Would love to finally see a touch optimised Mac OS for the iPad Pro
So cool to see, great video!
Thanks!
I was waiting for the moment when you start coding on iPad, but you were using it just as a terminal to your desktop.
My Lord! That monitor looks amazing I wonder it’s better than having multiple.
Is it helpful for coding?
I’m so happy I found this in my career depends on it in the future
... so basically you need a laptop 😂
The thumbnail was super funny, great job it made me entertained.
It was game over when you used remote desktop. It simply means you can't do it and it's a waste of investment.
I think using chromebooks for coding is making much more sense then using a ipad,at least I can work locally and have full control of the linux container
Yeah, i just need a big monitor and a keyboard and a hdmi converter. Then I’ll be all good to start coding on my Ipad 😂
By then, you might as well have a laptop
I’m a computer science student 👩🏻💻
I code on my iPad Air & magic keyboard
And I love it , But iPad it’s not for everyone
You have to know what u need on the device
so u can buy what u like and what u need 👍🏼
This video was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
I just use my 14" laptop, practical and portable anywhere. When I'm at my office, just hdmi into my bigger screen and boom, same powerhouse with bigger environment. Buuut, bringing my tablet with me anywhere for customer support via remote desktop/anydesk is awesome and very practical indeed.
Adrian- very nice idea for this vid 😉 I think soon or later we will have more possibilities for coding on mobile devices at least for front-end tach 😉 Im not sure I was watching somethink about pencode options for flutter so it looks like you can do a lot online 😉😊 Adrian can you do similar video about design soft ? maybe test figma on ipad or try to find useful app like affinity designer or maybe somethink more pro for designers?
Interesting I’ll take a look, thanks for the ideas!
Next video idea: how I just used a mouse and keyboard to do anything on a computer, by connecting them to a computer
My favorite iPad is a MacBook Pro
That works quite well minus the lack of touchscreen
@@AdrianTwarog you don’t get it. Touchscreen is just broken. All you have to do is ….
Which ide you were using for coding/programming?
I prefer vs code
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Это видео надо было назвать - как я использовал мой PC удаленно с помощью iPad…..
Um, not sure what you said?
@@AdrianTwarog I said: this video should have been called - how I used my PC remotely using an iPad ;)
Так ещё и iPad Pro с яблочной клавой это уже цена макбука, легче и удобней тогда уже просто его и купить.))
@@Hatzlaha да дело не в этом, у самого и макбук есть и айпэд с клавой, это девайсы для разных кейсов, то что может и где нужен айпэд, макбук не заменит его и наоборот. С выходом модели на М1, надеюсь начнут понемногу давать взрослый софт на айпэд, ждём WWDC. По сути вполне можно настроить среду для полноценного кодинга на айпэд, если есть внешний сервер, но нормально работать это все равно не позволит. Я устраиваю себе раз в неделю «день iPad», в этот день я использую в работе только айпэд и ничего больше, первые эксперименты были очень болезненные, но сейчас я вполне обхожусь и без подключений к домашнему кому через удаленку, так было проще всего конечно сделать
@@alienmorf А у Вас какой iPad? Просто сейчас как раз выбираю новый iPad, с размером не могу определиться. Вроде как хочется 12.9 на м1 из-за экрана хочется, но в тоже время не хочется с размером напутать, ибо часто iPad использую без клавы и будет ли 12.9 удобен в таком формате использования, не знаю. Да и цена такая, что вообще задуматься несложно, о целесообразности такого планшета.
I enjoyed this video so much. I hope you will continue to post these videos.
Very interesting! Not sure I'd be able to do it, but looks cool :)
:) cheers friend!
"As any good developer the very first thing I did was turn on dark mode".
everyone have to agree with that
Yes, because light attracts bugs.
Use a Microsoft Surface Pro if you wish to code on a tablet. Ipad OS is crap for must stuff beside watching videos!
The idea was coding natively on IPad Pro chip. Emulating your pc can be done with any hardware
He is not emulating.
Also, this just shows that it is almost necessary to erase all the evidence that you are using an iPad to get work done on an ipad.
Get a surface pro lol, one device that can do everything.
It can’t runs apps though and the apps on windows store aren’t that good but if you need a tablet or a really portable device for coding surface is good
Surface pro Is Trash
I think you should do it again knowing that stage manager is something new that apple bought...