@@TruLuan Christ said divorce was a condescension to human weakness here: Matthew 19:7-10 They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce and to put her away?” He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning this was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, excepting sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” His disciple said to Him, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, then it is better to not marry.” The Church has the authority to exercise oikonomia as a condescension to human weakness. Matters related to marriage and divorce are brought to the bishops. They are not up to the layperson. To divorce is a sin, and sin cannot be blessed. There’s an old saying that goes, “the Church blesses a first marriage, merely performs a second marriage, tolerates a third, but absolutely forbids a fourth.” No person need to marry three times to get it right.
And that's if the first marriage "qualified" as a marriage with the church's blessing to begin with. There are a lot of instances where a legal marriage & divorce may not be considered as having ever been a marriage by the church.
@@ndmmt-wu7kzlike i was legaly married in city hall but few years later we planned church marriage and to baptise our children. The priest suggested that he do the marriage first than baptisme otherwise in church books children will be written as born outside of marriage.
@@xxFairestxx let me clarify, I want to be sure you knew I wasnt talking about you. You have actually been a very good source of information surrounding Eastern Orthodoxy. You dont fit the trending "orthobro" community and thats refreshing
So many people miss what the "exception" Christ gave actually means. Marriage is until death with no exceptions. The only time its okay to remarry is if your spouse dies. In the Matthew 19 text Jesus wasn't referring to a legitimate marriage(both husband and wife's first marriage)when He gave the exception to divorce, He was talking about a marriage that isn't legitimate meaning they are "married" in a legal sense but in God's eyes they are in adultery because they are with someone other than their actual husband or wife. In other words It's sexually immoral for two people to be with one another if they also have a living spouse, so in that case they should get a certificate of divorce and hopefully be reconciled to their own husband or wife.
Incorrect friend. Read 1 Cor. 5 and you'll see the "Fornicator" had sex with a another man's "WIFE". Please don't ASS-U-ME she was only betrothed. Fornication can be with a betrothed woman or a married woman. Both are equally, sins worthy of death, and mandated death prior to Christ.
There is a possibility to get religiously remarried in the orthodox church " kat' economia' meaning as exeption but the mystery, and the text and hymnes in the second marriage is kinf of sililar to funeral and kind of asking repentance and forgiveness for what the person is doing ...Only the first marriage is full of wishes joy and cheerful
Jesus’ exception for divorce is pornia which is translated to fornication in English but means several things, one being outside of the marriage standard…. I think all the churches not just EO miss this one…
Why is there no marriage in the resurrected world when Adam and Eve were married in Eden? Did Jesus mean that there is only no marriage in heaven and not the new Eden? Could Adam and Eve have procreated before the fall? Can we procreate in the resurrected world?
So when Jesus says if you get divorced and remarried, that’s adultery and then the apostle Paul says no adultery. Going to heaven we could just pretend they didn’t say that.
So many people miss the "exception" Christ gave. Marriege is until death with no exceptions. The only time its okay to remarry is if your spouse dies. In the Matthew 19 text Jesus wasn't referring to a legitimate marriage(both husband and wife's first marriage)when He gave the exception to divorce, He was talking about a marriage that isn't legitimate meaning they are "married" in a legal sense but in God's eyes they are in adultery because they are with someone other than their actual husband or wife. In other words It's sexually immoral for two people to be with one another if they also have a living spouse so in that case they should get a certificate of divorce and hopefully be reconciled to their own husband or wife.
@@olijomusic2481 1 Corinthians 7:8-11 KJV [8] I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. [9] But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. [10] And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: [11] but and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
Being unevenly yoked ie a Christian married to a heathen or a pagan or a blasphemer etc etc etc; it is better for that Christian to divorce and remain celibate united to God Alone; both for his/her sake and that of the children, should such a regrettable union have known issue.
Thats not Biblical. Unequally yoked applies BEFORE marriage. After marriage the two are one. You're applying human reason and will get whatever utilitarian answer you want. Jesus made no exception similar to what you said. His word matters more.
As you said here, Christ Himself had a hard line on this and gave one exception. 3 strikes you’re out? No.
Like Christ also said, it is a condescension to human weakness. Once could’ve been a fluke. Twice could be a coincidence. Three times is a pattern.
@@cesarriveraii550Where does Christ say that?
@@TruLuan Christ said divorce was a condescension to human weakness here:
Matthew 19:7-10
They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce and to put her away?” He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning this was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, excepting sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” His disciple said to Him, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, then it is better to not marry.”
The Church has the authority to exercise oikonomia as a condescension to human weakness. Matters related to marriage and divorce are brought to the bishops. They are not up to the layperson. To divorce is a sin, and sin cannot be blessed.
There’s an old saying that goes, “the Church blesses a first marriage, merely performs a second marriage, tolerates a third, but absolutely forbids a fourth.” No person need to marry three times to get it right.
And that's if the first marriage "qualified" as a marriage with the church's blessing to begin with. There are a lot of instances where a legal marriage & divorce may not be considered as having ever been a marriage by the church.
Like an annulment?
@@ndmmt-wu7kz marriage not in the church to non-believers or to religions outside of economia - those don't even count as having been married
@@ndmmt-wu7kzlike i was legaly married in city hall but few years later we planned church marriage and to baptise our children. The priest suggested that he do the marriage first than baptisme otherwise in church books children will be written as born outside of marriage.
3 times? Where does this teaching come from?
So my spouse can just divorce me and get remarried a total of 3 times?
It’s not a “just” - ecclesiastically this is quite the process
@@Theoria but Jesus said only in places of infidelity…?
They’ll just throw out the word “economia” for things that are unorthodox within the Eastern Orthodox church
@@codyleger1750 True. I love my faith with all my heart, but this trend is sneaking up….I see it too.
@@xxFairestxx let me clarify, I want to be sure you knew I wasnt talking about you. You have actually been a very good source of information surrounding Eastern Orthodoxy. You dont fit the trending "orthobro" community and thats refreshing
So many people miss what the "exception" Christ gave actually means. Marriage is until death with no exceptions. The only time its okay to remarry is if your spouse dies. In the Matthew 19 text Jesus wasn't referring to a legitimate marriage(both husband and wife's first marriage)when He gave the exception to divorce, He was talking about a marriage that isn't legitimate meaning they are "married" in a legal sense but in God's eyes they are in adultery because they are with someone other than their actual husband or wife. In other words It's sexually immoral for two people to be with one another if they also have a living spouse, so in that case they should get a certificate of divorce and hopefully be reconciled to their own husband or wife.
Incorrect friend.
Read 1 Cor. 5 and you'll see the "Fornicator" had sex with a another man's "WIFE".
Please don't ASS-U-ME she was only betrothed.
Fornication can be with a betrothed woman or a married woman.
Both are equally, sins worthy of death, and mandated death prior to Christ.
Exactly.
You got it
If you have this point of view, you're not allowed to reunite after being with someone another. It's an abomination. Read Deuteronomy 24:4
There is a possibility to get religiously remarried in the orthodox church " kat' economia' meaning as exeption but the mystery, and the text and hymnes in the second marriage is kinf of sililar to funeral and kind of asking repentance and forgiveness for what the person is doing ...Only the first marriage is full of wishes joy and cheerful
Jesus’ exception for divorce is pornia which is translated to fornication in English but means several things, one being outside of the marriage standard…. I think all the churches not just EO miss this one…
Hmm. I don’t think I ever k no ironed how similar this backdrop is to the Jedi archives
It's the library of Trinity College Dublin. And yes, was the model for the Jedi archives!
Where is the scripture? Why don’t we work from scripture outward?
Seems like a practice of convinience
I really like your stuff dude. You, and jay dyer are the reasons I overcame the whole orthodox conversion anxiety.
Why is there no marriage in the resurrected world when Adam and Eve were married in Eden? Did Jesus mean that there is only no marriage in heaven and not the new Eden? Could Adam and Eve have procreated before the fall? Can we procreate in the resurrected world?
Eden and Heaven are two different things bro, you are using them interchangeably.
So when Jesus says if you get divorced and remarried, that’s adultery and then the apostle Paul says no adultery. Going to heaven we could just pretend they didn’t say that.
So many people miss the "exception" Christ gave. Marriege is until death with no exceptions. The only time its okay to remarry is if your spouse dies. In the Matthew 19 text Jesus wasn't referring to a legitimate marriage(both husband and wife's first marriage)when He gave the exception to divorce, He was talking about a marriage that isn't legitimate meaning they are "married" in a legal sense but in God's eyes they are in adultery because they are with someone other than their actual husband or wife. In other words It's sexually immoral for two people to be with one another if they also have a living spouse so in that case they should get a certificate of divorce and hopefully be reconciled to their own husband or wife.
No reconciliation. Read deuteronomy 24:4
@@olijomusic2481 1 Corinthians 7:8-11 KJV
[8] I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. [9] But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. [10] And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: [11] but and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
Being unevenly yoked ie a Christian married to a heathen or a pagan or a blasphemer etc etc etc; it is better for that Christian to divorce and remain celibate united to God Alone; both for his/her sake and that of the children, should such a regrettable union have known issue.
Thats not Biblical. Unequally yoked applies BEFORE marriage. After marriage the two are one. You're applying human reason and will get whatever utilitarian answer you want. Jesus made no exception similar to what you said. His word matters more.
St.Tikhon the Martyr, counselled divorce to any woman married to a Bolshevik Red. Do you Anathematize him also?
Its fornication in kjv not sexual immortality
The eastern “orthodox” position is sinful blasphemy. Become Catholic 🇻🇦
But I've seen Catholics also accept remarriage
But I have seen Catholics also accept remarriage
I'd like to understand, please, could u explain me?
In terribly sorry but....
Catholicism is everything the KJV word of God is not.
That's what makes it distinct from biblical Christianity.
3 strikes and you are out!
As he said, Christ himself had a hard line. Infidelity only. No 3 strike rule.
@@xxFairestxx seems like the EO has 3 strike rule... did you listen?
@@gorequillnachovidal Did you listen? Christ didn’t have that rule. It’s progressivism creeping into our Church.
@@xxFairestxx i am talking about the EO. show stfu. you are not arguing my point so go talk to a wall
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