This was the horn I started bass on. The "conventional wisdom" at the time was, "get a Bach if you wanna be a pro". I didn't want to, but ... I did. Sweated this for 20 years. Hated it. Very uneven response throughout the horn, which meant having to screw around getting tonally even sounds on it. Very stuffy double paddle register. Finally sold it and got a Yamaha Xeno 822g - epiphany. Even response, wonderful tone. Just did a concert with 3 Shires tenors and they loved the sound I was getting. So whatever works for the individual. If your Bach works for you, fine. The guy who bought my old Bach loved it. So it simply wasn't the horn for me.
@@AidanRitchie - It must be me, because when I sold it, it was to the bass player in Slokar's t-bone quartett, who's trombone prof here in Basel and first in the Berlin Radio Orchestra. He wanted a set of trombones here for his students and also he didn't have to lug his instruments from his home in Berlin when teaching in Basel. He found it to be a typical Bach. But you're right, I only did try the one, but when I bought it, had at the time no experience in what a bass bone -should- or -could- be. So I had at the time no basis of useful comparison. And a former student of mine who'd in the meantime gotten her degree in bass bone with Armin Bachmann, had a lovely 10" Bach and stll makes the nicest bass sound I've ever heard. Others I'd heard were all going on how the new Edwards with the Thayer valves were the cat's meow, but I always found their produced sound to be airy without core. My Yamaha Xeno 882g (dependent) just seems to get better and better - got a Wedge 110G Gen 2 which is similar to a Bach 1.25G and sound similar to a Schilke 59 with a little more bite when necessary, but with the broad, dark sound and evenness of sound and response I never got on a Bach. And as I said, the Shires guys had no complaints with my sound blending with them in Brass Ensemble (NOT Brass Band) setting. I spent some time going back through many of your videos, comparing your sound on different bass bones and ... IMHO you produce to the listener's ear, at least on the RUclips channel, pretty much the same sond no matter if on Bach, Holton or whatever. It's your sound. How it feels doing it is of course very individual, but you seem to be able to take the sound in your head and work out relatively guickly, what you need, regardless of horn or mouthpiece, what should come out the other end. Sure wish could do that. But at 69 years of age, that'll have to be for some next life for me.
Looks like a fantastic project horn! I never really liked the Bach 50 valves or wrap tbh... They gave me a lot of troubles and I found the ergonomics to be horrendous for my hands lol. Maybe now that I'm a better player the horn would respond better to my playing style, but I wasn't enjoying playing it at the time.
Yup, and I've played a few as well, never liked them. This one seems pretty good, but I do wonder if it's just because I am so much better at the instrument...
This was the horn I started bass on. The "conventional wisdom" at the time was, "get a Bach if you wanna be a pro". I didn't want to, but ... I did. Sweated this for 20 years. Hated it. Very uneven response throughout the horn, which meant having to screw around getting tonally even sounds on it. Very stuffy double paddle register.
Finally sold it and got a Yamaha Xeno 822g - epiphany. Even response, wonderful tone. Just did a concert with 3 Shires tenors and they loved the sound I was getting. So whatever works for the individual. If your Bach works for you, fine. The guy who bought my old Bach loved it. So it simply wasn't the horn for me.
If I had only played one Bach 50, I might feel the same way!
@@AidanRitchie - It must be me, because when I sold it, it was to the bass player in Slokar's t-bone quartett, who's trombone prof here in Basel and first in the Berlin Radio Orchestra. He wanted a set of trombones here for his students and also he didn't have to lug his instruments from his home in Berlin when teaching in Basel. He found it to be a typical Bach. But you're right, I only did try the one, but when I bought it, had at the time no experience in what a bass bone -should- or -could- be. So I had at the time no basis of useful comparison. And a former student of mine who'd in the meantime gotten her degree in bass bone with Armin Bachmann, had a lovely 10" Bach and stll makes the nicest bass sound I've ever heard. Others I'd heard were all going on how the new Edwards with the Thayer valves were the cat's meow, but I always found their produced sound to be airy without core.
My Yamaha Xeno 882g (dependent) just seems to get better and better - got a Wedge 110G Gen 2 which is similar to a Bach 1.25G and sound similar to a Schilke 59 with a little more bite when necessary, but with the broad, dark sound and evenness of sound and response I never got on a Bach. And as I said, the Shires guys had no complaints with my sound blending with them in Brass Ensemble (NOT Brass Band) setting.
I spent some time going back through many of your videos, comparing your sound on different bass bones and ... IMHO you produce to the listener's ear, at least on the RUclips channel, pretty much the same sond no matter if on Bach, Holton or whatever. It's your sound. How it feels doing it is of course very individual, but you seem to be able to take the sound in your head and work out relatively guickly, what you need, regardless of horn or mouthpiece, what should come out the other end. Sure wish could do that. But at 69 years of age, that'll have to be for some next life for me.
wow, amazing sound!!
Gone now!
Looks like a fantastic project horn! I never really liked the Bach 50 valves or wrap tbh... They gave me a lot of troubles and I found the ergonomics to be horrendous for my hands lol. Maybe now that I'm a better player the horn would respond better to my playing style, but I wasn't enjoying playing it at the time.
Yup, and I've played a few as well, never liked them. This one seems pretty good, but I do wonder if it's just because I am so much better at the instrument...