Just look at T1 vs BLG. Faker and Zeus died and BLG tried to do Baron 5v3. T1 didn't panic. They knew BLG had Ahri/Jhin and couldn't do the Baron that fast. They approached properly by clearing vision. They knew Zeus had TP and would get there soon. They then synchronized their engage with Oner/Guma having perfect target selection. Then won the fight and got Baron.
they just got unlucky on that mid fight if rend didnt go on sylas and rumble died they wouldve spent less time trying to kill rumble than be 1 shot for ezreal but yea scarier regions take their times
LEC teams do not understand that doing a 5 vs 4 baron isn't 100% safe it's more the times u lose it and get aced then u get it cause baron shreds damages and cc your team . Lec teams also greed baron 5 vs 1 where the 1 iis the enemy jungle and they paid a won game against T1 for this . 2 important games lost to baron
@@theteamxxx3142 The point in this video isn't just that. The play is correct but they play it out super poorly 90% of the time. Taking 5v4 around baron is the correct play if 2 of the enemy team is still coming from base, 7:42 . If you don't do it, a winning game state will turn into an even one, or even worse you will bleed out slowly from playing too passive.
@@jenzu4229 There are many micro mistakes that ended up in them losing, at the beggining of the fight caps retreats while on taric ult so we missed a good amount of dmg that he could have done wihtout retaliation. If Hans sama flashes on Elk's face he could have stun him with taric e (he was pretty close when that happened) and even if ezreal cleanses akali would destroy him very quickly, if Hans sama pops E a second earlier Rumble dies. If they commit and all 4 of them just go front face against elk he can't kill them all. There are a lot of tiny mistakes, G2 could have won that but at the end of the day its about performance. They did great and I'm pretty sure they could have won that but thats in the past. Its good to know they have the abilitie to come back from that point in the game
good analysis on ur part i think theres also a desperation element cuz T1 legit could not give that baron or they lose. its just a type of play that a team like FNC would never go for or even realise they can 3v5 cause theyre so shriveled up in their own thoughts, theyre so afraid of throwing further so they sit there and watch G2 takes everything, the baron, the nexus, the summer cup, the season final cup, their entire life morgage etc
I agree with Dom that teams are soft giving up. As a fan of LEC, teams got complacent with potentially only being 2nd best in the region and maybe only trying to show up on game day instead of proving themselves day to day. You know who want to prove themselves? Rookies. The era of Perkz and Caps only happened because EU invested in their rookies in 2015. So many good rookies showed up within the timeframe of 2015-2018, and 2018-2020 FNC, G2 were the products of this evolvement. I think Mad lions and Rouge did a very nice job after this era and made good teams from rookies as well, and I respect MAD for getting to worlds with 4 rookies(the only teams that really did bring new players for a long time), but we hold onto old values for too long and lack the mindset of innovation in our region to prosper these rookies to new heights. Instead we invest into the good old players, stagnate our league and put the our eggs in the only basket that can do anything - G2.
LEC are pivoting to imports now since they aren't finding a good rookies and the vets are always fumbling internationally. Some report that players from the LPL might go to LEC. The eastern teams are just better and the gap definitely isn't closing anytime soon
This video is 100% correct, everything he says about the Baron contest give me flashbacks of Odoamne and Larssen not making space for Hans Sama Kalista with Rogue at 2021 Worlds. They just crumble under pressure and revert to monkey brain uga buga mistakes since they have no practice and fundamentals to fall back onto
scarra was rigth, franchising ruined competetivness, gone are the days where shit teams got relegated and good teams/orgs would get a chance at the biggest stage, paycheckstealers are everywhere instead we get streamerteams getting kicked from competition, not because they arent good enougth but because they are not allowed to profit off theyre performance.
even GenG loses to BRO, it just really put the perspective of lower ranked teams being competitive or top tier teams making mistakes the lower ranked team punishing it
@@TheDamnEasycorrect me if im wrong but g2 this year didnt lose in a best of series to teams other than fnc and mad the whole year right? Like if we go by one game series geng also has games where they go 0-1 but turn it 2-1 and in lec that 0-1 would be a loss.
@@justhair17GenG only lost 1 Bo5 all year, but even in the ones they won they have been consistently pushed for sure. 3-2 against T1 and DK, very close 3-1 victories against HLE. G2 have won multiple series' they did not deserve to win. Even in LCS we have seen TL and FLY push each other very consistently which is a large reason why they are even performing as well as they are. The glow up that players like Yeon, APA, Massu, Busio have had goes beyond any player in LEC has had this year
It's beyond insane to me that G2 has this many wins in the LEC, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2020 and 2024 they won everything, and even in most of those other years they maybe only lost one finals, looking at 2022 and 2023. I bet that other LEC teams look at it as competing amongst themselves to fight for second believing that they will just lose to G2 in the finals. The only reason a team should win that much in a single region is because either there isn't enough done to push the other teams to improve their infrastructure or the other teams have conceded any kind of ambitions (even long term) of being successful because of G2. Which is why I think we hear stories about players like Humanoid and how he will soft int games he feels are lost in scrims. They don't think that they can win and so soft give up on achieving anything. For me this is the key reason EU has fallen off so much, most of the ambitions of winning are lost and they don't know what they can do to change it, so are stuck in this status quo of thinking its not a certain player or coaches fault so keep them around for a year or 2 longer than they should be.
it may be harsh but i think they're becoming the new TSM, dominant locally and trash internationally. Too comfy with no resistance, no competition and all the time to become complacent.
@@neo_child Nah TSM was just disgusting always. You had pig Doublelift who was dating the manager(*????) and running into ryze who kills him in 0 seconds, Bjerg who was really never even 50% what Caps is, and then oldschool NA boys on other lanes who just were never on a level where they should be at an international tournament. Hauntzer btw is probably the worst western player of all time.
I blame ocelote/Carlos. In 2018 Fnatic and G2 were competitive, then g2 stole FNC's best player (caps). FNC somehow recover and in 2020 they almost beat TES in a bo5 at worlds. Then G2 steal their best player again (rekkles), and prevent perkz from going to a LEC team (the contract was later deemed illegal for how controlling it was). Then rekkles doesnt work, so G2 have worsened both themselves and FNC, but instead of letting rekkles go back to a different LEC team they send him to KC, effectively ending his career. In summary, g2 sent 2 of the 3 best LEC players of all time to different regions, continually made their only real rival weaker, then get surprised when the region becomes anti-competitive and the quality of LEC drops massively.
Not just G2 - Rogue did it. Fnatic have done it. EU orgs don’t like competition, that’s why we had franchising where they suffocated all the leagues below them and stuffed them full of 25 year old wash outs… because western teams are striving to keep their jobs. Not win.
@@uhmkey No it’s the fact that G2 deliberately tried to weaken the rest of EU by contract prisoning players, sending them off to different regions or holding them to ransom - which did weaken the LEC.
@@PeoplePleaser578 My comment is mostly a reply to OP's first 3 sentences (and getting G2 getting Rekkles since it's a simillar situation). Those moves are entirely seperate from jailing players afterwards and should be praised imo.
@@uhmkey Read his comment he does say it’s more to do with them jailing them and disposing them afterwards than it is to do with buying them. G2 should be praised but also shouldn’t with Rekkles for example - Because they deliberately screwed over Perkz and then took Rekkles not because they actually wanted him… but because it would weaken Fnatic to not have him (Grabbz talked about this, that they only went after Rekkles because of Fnatic and not because they actually wanted him). G2 basically tried their hardest to screw over the competition… then complain they don’t get good practice and there is limited competition.
The difference in mindset too, the LEC teams goal is to win LEC whereas the G2's goal is to win worlds already thats why they built teams consisting of new and high potential players
LEC teams goals AREN'T to win LEC this statement is super fake I mean it's like me saying my goal is to be an astronaut even though I never studies aerospace engineering in my life.
@@jordanhood2166 I don't know if that's true though. If my team is down 20 kills in a soloQ game I also don't ff because I know enemy team is also dogshit and doesn't know how to finish. They just need to make one mistake and you can turn it. I have seen that so many times already.
@@Micha-qv5uf nah he's right for the most part, usually the people that don't surrender are the ones running it down. At least that has been my experience recently from playing and watching streams
As an LEC fan I can say - that is true. The LEC itself is to blame for the bad past results. People are most of the time chilling and accepting. I mean out of 10 teams 8 get out of the first round - that is not right!!! And you have too many chances to get to worlds and literally chill until summer and still be able to get there. That's not correct. There is rly G2 that just really wants to compete at international level. Fnatic which should be competitive too until 2019 which was 8 years of from the first season on, just "accepted" that there are good enough to get to worlds, but there you don't expect any results. And the other teams ... I have the feeling that MOST of the players don't grind, because they are scared of failure... because it hurts if you give ur best and lose. So yeah, atm we are a 1 team region and I hope that changes again. I expected nothing from NA - i mean EU won MSI and Worlds and also have more Runners ups in Worlds too. I think NA go the only runners up at season 1 where FNATIC won worlds, but this is the first year I have to say that FLY and TL - NA can be proud of them, because they are promissing teams. Would like to have watched a FLY vs Weibo Quaters, because GENG ... that's impossible to win. Anyways, wish you a good luck NA and hope you will give them some good games.
This baron fight is such a crazy example. Yike is *COMPLETELY* disjointed, miky is sitting on baron while they turn, hans is in narnia not hitting ANYTHING (why??), caps is trying but whatever. I was watching that fight excited for the turn, but they just tossed it. They literally ran in, one at a time.
@@neotokyo385 this level of degenerate gameplay, the whole team is throwing it. The call was to stall baron, then yike randomly hops in for some reason. Poor communication, and yike dies with miky trying to save the bad play instead of making the correct play. Looks like inting but it's definitely a lack of communication. Miky did make some disgusting plays and got caught FAR more than he should, BUT they made him primary engage with no real backup front line for numerous games.
@@neotokyo385 Miky is a great player it looks more like communication and macro issues rather than individual player skills, that and getting caught due to lack of vision. I mean G2 has the best EU and probably best western roster I think they need to focus more on Macro and comms rather than roster changes... (A lotta people flaming Miky and Yike but I generally think they are great players)
@@meeh7335 no friend... he's not getting "infinite heals", like his health is very clearly going DOWN. ALSO his passive is on no one AND he's not in range of anyone to use his abilities. ALSO tanking baron shreds almost all of your resists which is why he and xin popped like a balloon... AND he burnt flash to get back in range... AND he didn't use his q or ult properly... Like 99.9999% of the time i lawyer up for miky and hyllisang lol. This is.... absolutely not the time for that. The only solace IS THEY ALL screwed up, he wasn't the "sole reason". The whole play sucked
Hot take, G2 is culpable for the downfall of LEC competition. 2016-2020, there was competition locally and internationally. 2021 Perkz wants to go to FNC but G2 block it. Common that G2 blocks talent going top teams. Imagine 2021 you have a more competitive FNC alongside MAD and RGE becoming new competitors on the scene
G2 didn't fail the LEC, the LEC failed G2 when G2 was given the red carpet to the trophy every single split/playoffs without much resistance It's so sad to witness LEC in this form right now
I feel like most LEC Teams are just built to perform decently.. They don't actually want to win everything. That is One of the reason I love MAD lions.. Their Previous roster made it to worlds.. And Also won a Split with Nisqy and Chasy. But they wanted More so They Completely Rebuilt their Team from Scratch
G2 killed the region, the exact moment when lec started to fall is when Ocelote fucked over FNC and Prkz by forcing him to play adc and then delaying his release to force him into NA. Until that point the region was really competitive and FNC was a serious contender to the title, after that the region simply died. never forget what G2 did.
Basically what bwipo said but everyone had a cry. He might have been a bit harsh against some players but at this point we need to hold the paycheck stealers accountable.
Bwipo is a clown lol. He says they don't want to improve in eu while going through na for money and it's not even like he's playing well. It's just that you bwipo stans are not familiar with common sense!
I don't usually agree with Dom but this one I'm 100% with him. That is a very good take on the game state in LEC. No resistance. G2 doesn't have any good fight in LEC thus making them very vulnerable to eastern team's tenacity. This reminds me of how many times LCK or LPL team just 3v5 EU or NA team and easily win.
The only reason Bwipo is still in the tournament is because of their luck in draws. Sure, they played HLE in a non elimination series. But G2 drew all the best teams🤣 FLY had insane luck, playing against the likes of PNG, GAM, PSG….
@@PatBat3man agree but that does not change Bwipo was right. I think G2 is by far the best western team, unfortunately we don't get to see them 3-1 or 3-0 FLY or TL
Accurate analysis by Dom. G2’s “competition” in the LEC are more fanboys than competitors. They have the mindset that “well G2 is gonna win it all anyway so what’s the point” and don’t give it their all during matches/scrims. It screws over G2 when it comes to international competition
When you look at teams like GenG, BLG, HLE, T1 I really agree with the sentiment that they put up way more resistance until the end than bad teams. Even when they're losing they feel like zombie teams that take 100 shots to put down, and in so many games they'll come back from deficits and win. I feel like the only teams that really fight from behind in the west are G2 and FLY.
Ahh yes the poor g2 who doesnt get pushed enough in LEC because others are bad and have gotten complacent. Shall we remind Dom and other g2 fan boys how we got to this point ? Lets remember the glorious 2020 Off-season. Perkz was let go,nemesis was let go. Perkz wanted to go back to mid ,obviously g2 would let FNC take perkz and take Upset as their adc. So we would have these 4 OMEGA rosters battling it out. Rogue with Odo, Inspired, Larssen, Hans & Trymbi MDK with Armut, Elyoya, Huma, Carzzy & Kaiser FNC with Bwipo, Selfmade, Perkz, Rekkles & Hyli And then on top of that a G2 with Wunder, Jankos, Caps, Upset & MikyX What we got instead Perkz was sent to fucking NA ,Rekkles was taken away and lured by empty promises to G2 and THAN got sent to shadow realm in KC after being pretty much best player in g2. Which than led to ROgue next year do same shit and fuck EU region even more splitting the talent even further apart. G2 made its own bed. You wanna blame FNC/MDK/BDS for not being a good competitor ? Fine but remember its the G2 that started this chain of events and made orgs to implement all these fucked up clauses and stupid buyouts to not let their players join teams in their region. League is a game of knowledge game and competition at this point. Mechanics are 2nd tier atm. Almost everybody can farm properly and play their 3-5 champions to close perfection. Rekkles and Perkz are some of the smartest ppl when it comes to this game. Take them away and you effectively take away years and years of knowledge . Now couple that with sending Inspired/hans sama/Bwipo to fucking away and you can see the ripple effect on how teams play years later. Game sense isnt something you are gonna develop in 2nd tier divisions it takes time and experience.
Correct and add on top of that riot changing the format to pure garbage where bottom 6 teams go for easy and quick results (not being bottom 2) instead of improving with seasons or splits . I take BDs for example went from nothing to a decent team , same was for rogue from bottom to winning LEC when it still matters . Now winning LEC feels like winning nothing and there's no long view just short . I'll rather copy LCK format than make LCK and LPL suffer the same fate next year
Actually deranged Rekkles fanboy talk. And yes, G2 are responsible for Inspired and Bwipo going to America somehow, as if EU players going to NA hasn't been a thing since the inception of the league. And btw, Rekkles wasn't in the LEC cause people didn't WANT him, cause he's a pain in the ass to work with.
Underrated comment honestly. SO many people are loving to make G2 as an org out to be the victims here but they ruined the competitiveness of EU themselves. Sure there are other factors that went on but G2 had a very intentional and deliberate hand in their own stagnation.
I think the main problem in the LEC at the moment is players not being really motivated to learn/to improve. There is a cool interview from tolkin with grabz where he pretty much said players will rather watch EU masters than teams/matches where they can learn something (i.e LPL/LCK)
There is a reason why there are sayings like "Monsters are not created in a vacuum, they are products of their environment." or "Competition breeds innovation." There is no competition in LEC... No environment for innovation or monsters to be born... and G2 suffers because of it. It is rather hard to improve when you only get too face real competition twice a year...
Yeah some people are just fucked up, but the majority of people who do bad shit is because they’re were raised by bad people or in an environment where they have to do crime etc G2 is like a delinquent lol they barely have to try to get by
When G2 has a gold lead against an eastern team it just looks like an even game. if g2 has a gold lead against any western team it is basically gg if they are behind it is 50/50 at best
@@Xalexalexale I think being invisible in this meta makes sense, there were only a few games in Swiss where the ADC was able to really shine but he has too many blunders in important matches like the stupid death against Gragas.
The thing I've always noticed with EU is that it's basically G2 and others in recent years. I agree that some of it is probably the other teams being okay with losing, but I think the reason they're so beaten down is because G2 spends at least half of their domestic games literally trolling and still win most of those convincingly simply because EU as a whole isn't strong enough to compete with them unless G2 troll especially hard... Like in LEC playoffs by dropping a random Irelia top in game 5 vs MDK's hyper mobile team and Vi, or picking Noc-Ori into two of the most mobile ADC's in the game, or their attempts at making Gwen jungle a thing when she wasn't even meta in Top. No one taking their opponents seriously would ever make those calls, but G2 doesn't care, because they don't take their opponents seriously and in a lot of cases, they don't have to.
Your point is still valid overall but the gwen pick wasn't a try as being troll or anything like that. The G2 staff legit thought it was a lowkey strong pick on the patch, they were wrong ofc but the intention was good.
I mean when the 2nd best team in the region has literally no chance against G2 it's hard to inspire confidence in teams 3-5 that they have any chance...
I'm a G2 fan but somehow I hated watching G2 this year because it felt like they were gifted games and series they shouldn't have won too often. It's more a problem of watching LEC not G2 but yeah. Sadly I'm not surprised that G2 is looking for a new support; Mikyx is a good player but his weaknesses he couldn't fix like dying randomly are punished too hard when playing against elite LPL and LCK teams outvalueing his great engage. As to Yike, I'm not sure, I think he's the best in the LEC, but he was overall invisible every early game this year not even getting leads in CS.
i kinda agree and disagree. FNC, BDS and don't just throw in the towel vs G2 and run it down but they do not have any idea how to properly play the game behind or ahead. G2 is the ONLY LEC team that focuses on Macro and even then its not to the level of LCK/ LPL but FNC, BDS, MDK so on have no idea AT ALL how to play ahead or behind properly so its why G2 dominated the region.
Maybe in the next year when afaik there will be 3rd international tournament it will be better for G2. Cuz I've lost faith in any improvement of LEC from the rumors: FNC keep Huma + Razork + Oscar for another year of macro masterclass, BDS get 113 in again, MDK is almost the same which is good enough for LEC I guess but don't think can push G2, VIT has Carrzy + Hilly and I hope players that will follow him and not diva midlaner who is most likely out of LEC, Vladi + Caliste might be a good carry core for KC, Jackies jailed in GX etc. So as you can see the pieces are there to build around, but GMs of EU would rather cuck whole region altogether than create another good roster that can compete vs G2
I see only one way for the LEC to become better again: G2 nurtures staff that then leaves, gets leading roles in other orgs and establishes a similar culture there. We truly are a one team region and nothing will improve if it stays that way.
i dont understand how we haven't figured out how to play vs lck and lpl, there is so much gamefootage we can learn from and watch but i doesnt seem like ppl do, or they do but dont understand what to do ingame, i mean if lebron can watch gamefootage and learn we should be able to do the same with league
It's for the same reason that hardstuck low elo players (gold and below) won't suddenly get diamond from watching replays and their favorite streamers - You can have all the knowledge and prep, but if you don't practice against it, you won't be ready for it. Especially if a team suddenly innovates on a strategy you prepared against.
Eastern teams have a bigger pool of talent + they practice way more due to their culture. They can vod review their games but that won't help them at all
@@Crimzy2304But they will get them diamond if they put enough time AND thoughts into it. Demos not here to watch, they are here to learn from. And also by steadily increasing the level (going from gold to plat, plat to eme etc.) they will face enemies that will refine your knowledge and gameplay. But in case of G2 they are hardstuck GM players that have to compete with high Chal enemies when their practice partners are diamonds at best. Of course it will be harder for them if noone else step up their game
It is dissapointing G2 didn't make it out. I would put them at about 5th or 6th in strength at this competition. They could easy take any NA team, they smashed Weibo and they were very close with the LPL#1 Seed.
@@ContessaTaylor-l5b he's no that far wrong . G2 > weibo DK FLY and TL . They inted at baron against BLG because of a failed TP track and they also didn't respect oner and fliipped a baron . Those were 2 games lost to themselves rather then the opponent . Geng T1 BLG LNG HLE are still better as for TES some can argue they might choke again in a bo5 like they did at MSI this makes G2 top 6-7
@@theteamxxx3142 they can't even beat NRG last year how ya think they gonna fair against TL/FLY whom they are losing against in scrims? G2 fans are the most delusional fanboys ever. They haven't been able to escape groups in 4 years lmao
So... your just saying LEC needs to be more competitive? I agree with that. A lot of teams need to begin swapping players out. Heard G2 is letting Yike and Mikyx explore options. Fnatic should get a new mid and maybe a change in the bot lane duo. Same goes for the LCS teams. I think TL needs to swap out their Jungle for someone else and they can import that in and splurge a little. Flyquest hasnt lost yet but make Bwipo a coach or something he is washed. Every team has little things they can change but i agree LEC as a whole has been G2 and no one else. Just zero resistance in the last 2-3 years. I feel at times maybe they need the crazy player like a Hylissang or a Jeonghoon with elite pocket picks. Something that gives them a bit of an edge for G2. Or just bring some young prospect up that has good mechanics. I felt the relatableness to this team was the fact at times this team had no imports it is strictly an EU team. So... it might feel weird to import but we will see what they do. There is truth to the memes against some NA teams like TL which was like 4 Koreans and FQ has 1 Korean but then 2 EU players. I feel G2 might understand that connection and choose not to import but it will be hard to ignore acquiring players that have massive talent that might come for cheaper than they have before.
@yousufzohair4342 oh no I know that. 😅😂 I just mean someone with different picks to throw in. You obviously need to find some sort of young prospect to fill the spot.
I dunno, I think the baron play by g2 they should be playing to turn way earlier on the baron, at the beginning hans and miky are positioned to block bin and on from entering, but they let them walk up for free 2 v 4 because caps is afk or something. Then they still don't turn when on wiffs his stun when its still 2 v 4, and they don't turn until after knight arrives then they just get hands diffed. Hans should be tripple killing them for free here but his spacing is fucking awful, he has flash and no one on enemy team does, but instead of positioning forward and baiting them with his flash he just does 0 dmg cause he's spacing too far away and can't hit, then wastes his flash just to walk into the stun anyway because he isn't positioning up he's positioning down and gets fucked by rumble ult and sylas for it. An adc with good fight awareness and who can count and is aware of enemy cooldowns should be hard carrying this situation imo. And if I'm playing kalista in this game in solo queue, I'm flaming my ryze being fucking useless.
I have not watched the video yet, but as Fnatic fan since season 2 I CAN TELL YOU what is wrong with eu teams. Its that theres no "dictators" No leaders no heroes no identity. Teams take the safe way, "copy" the good teams and they try their best. No amount copying good teams and doing it their way will NEVER EVER win in International level. Sure you can stumble around into rank 2 in LEC just because of the caliber of players, but if your team has no "identity" they will not outplay team with Better players. EU has worse players, if they want to win they need to play as a team THEIR WAY. Not the way koreans play or etc. MDK was worst team to qualify from play-ins and FNC was worst team qualified already in Swiss. Neither had ANY chance to win ANY GAME against eastern teams. G2 well, they are best players in EU, and they have some identity(they might be better team if their competition wasnt fucking FNC). Still they picked Orianna and Nocturne 1 and 2, sure its nice combo. Tough against world class team you will tell your gameplan in first 2 picks, kinda easy to play against straticly right? Flyquest played nunu right? So imagine their enemy played a team that was super tanky, but super SLOW... so flyquest went with speed and easily won. This is what you need to do in international level, you cannot just play the "tutorial(like white eggshell color, everyone has it everyone knows it" comb. Personally i think G2 best games were the last 2 games from them against BLG, the ryze pick was the thing they needed too bad they panicked. So how to fix EU teams = you need a DICTATOR in game and DICTATOR outside game, basicly you need a good leader who can tell WHAT to do after the chaos of teamfights ends. Decision making is EXTREMELY slow on EU teams to the point they dont make fucking decision they let enemy make them. Then they need to find their way of playing, for example G2 caps on Agency champs that have a threath is 10x more harder to play against than orianna caps. Just because something is good and in meta, does not mean you "need" to play it. You can also use the meta to your advantage otherways. And lastly the region as a whole need to grow some fucking balls. Ill be honest i dont know much about picks or high elo LOL. The feeling these eU teams eminate on rift is fear, confusion and cowardice. From coaching staff to picks to the way calls are made in game and out are just smelling like part fear. Can the EU teams just play in the way they can have pride in their WORK and EFFORT they put in? Last 3 worlds, there were only few players who played like they were PROUD of them self. You can only be proud of your self, when you take the shit seriously. There are not many players who can say they are proud of their EFFORT. Lastly the orgs, i guess they cost so much to run so they take the easy way. Get top placements in LEC all good. Well guess what, its not "all good"... last season of LOL was so fucking boring. LEC, worlds most games EU teams played were just boring to hell. Everyone played the same, same thing everytime all the time. Will not fix writing errors on my rant, seriously concidering not watching FNC games anymore: its been what 5 - 6 years since they won something? 4 years since they were evenclose to winning? Honestly the team closest to Wage stealing is Fnatic team members from coaching, owners to players. I guess there is effort, but it definetly isnt genuine effort. Why hit your head against a wall, when you could make geniuine effort and get a FUCKING hammer.
actually insane to me how one small decision like turning there at baron literally cost them the entire tournament in the end. Cause there is a very low chance they still lose this game after they get baron with that comp.
The root of the issue is the same one that plagues all sports. You’re already part of the in crowd. Already have your paycheck coming in. Why would you over exert yourself and risk burnout? Just cruise comfortably near the top and stay there as long as you can before being replaced.
Ok but its a regional culture thing, the eastern teams don't give a fuck about that because they don't have insane egos and think they are special out of thin air. And also have respect for being good at the game and hold that as a principle. In EU the egos are off the roof and players are very emotional, that is the mentality for the last couple years even in soloq and that is the problem imo
This is an issue of franchising, not of all esports. SC2 didn't have this issue and you know why? because the best players got resigned to their teams that were paying them a higher paycheck than they would be getting from other teams and the players who weren't performing as well got dropped and had to resign to other teams.
Results are bad but we could challenge asian teams in the late game. We lost multiple times while being ahead and 1 late game teamfight away from victory. It means we can still challenge these teams in fair and square battle. It's not great performance but our best one since 2020 imo.
@@robertwide6592 they also punish mistakes unlike LEC teams . G2 lost 1 game to T1 and 1 game to BLG for that . Against HLE it was more like draft diff if u want to win worlds u cannot lose those games
@@robertwide6592 Like usual but it's possible to adapt. They also have better and reliable mechanics + champion pool. We can't compete with that but we can create atleast one team that can challenge this for sure. It's just that current TOP EU/NA rosters are a mess.
idk why mikyx gets flamed here. in that situation miky did the correct play. hit nash with taric and heal your xin to full hp while enemy chunks at you. If yike didnt flash turn they wouldve gotten nash and ulted out
yeah, sure, whatever you say. But in the end, G2 played in group stage, as Eu number 1, vs: Korean 1st seed, China 1st seed, former world champions; they can't beat them, shame on G2.
G2 draw was disgustingly unlucky but like BB said in an interview, it wouldnt matter even if they were the third best team in the world, if they cant beat all the teams (and thus win worlds) he doesnt care if they lose in swiss, quarters or semifinals or even the finals. if it doesnt win worlds, its losing. i mean thats what he said anyway
agreed. Scrims or even champions queue should be treated as a real game. Practice makes perfect and even at the highest levels you’ll see complete throws. Even if it is COMPLETELY lost, anything can happen.. Maybe a 1% chance of winning or 0.1% chance. Either way, if they ever ever want to have a chance at winning worlds they need to be hungry. That means no FFing solo queue or scrims or champions queue, no soft inting or not playing hard, real focused practice. Reviewing how teams play, knowing timers down to the second.
He was probably agreeing with dom and trying to finish first. Watch, yike is the one that freaks out when new guy shows up, and they all soloq follow their teammate. They just weren't on the same page and didn't coordinate
They don't need to turn. That's the problem. They skarner is literally coming from base when the baron is at 4k hp. Its Rumble Rell Sylas there - 3 melee champs. Yike should just ult when rell/rumble go in to push them away, finish baron and then assess if the fight is good or just leave. Even if 1 or 2 die as long as they get baron on some and get out it is worth.
The problem is that there is no competition in EU. I agree that teams soft give up but the problem is that the rest of the teams are just not that good. In 2019-2020 in G2's glory days, FNC was a good fucking team that could compete with them and gave them a hard time. Teams were so much more competitive. The quality of teams has dropped significantly since then. #Bwipo_was_right
I used to hate Dom dude was always negative and I felt like he was talking out his ass half the time. Now that G2 is out of worlds and seeing how weak lec is bro was right all along. Lec needs to change their format to bo3 and bring back all the talent they once had. Bring back Crownie, Perks Nemisis, give Bo an actual cohesive team.
said it before and will say it again, G2s problem is their own region is so bad, they do not get tested in the way they need to be in order to compete with the asian teams.
this is what I was saying for awhile now, region is just so dogshit that G2 cant improve, its like challenger players smurfing in diamond elo for whole year and then they go to a tournament and play against other challengers. Cant improve if you're playing against worse opponents, cuz you just dont get punished for your mistakes. Put G2 in LPL for one year and they could genuinely become the best team in the world
The more I watch that Baron the more I get the feeling that G2 found the only way to lose that play. Probably played in the worst way possible without getting investigated by Riot for wintrading
League needs more S-tier tournaments. Even Msi feels like B-tier meanwhile we have like 15 S-tier tournaments in CS and they actually feels like it. And im not even talking about majors or World final. League definitely needs tournaments like Katowice, Cologne, Rio or even something like ESL Proleague. Im sure this will skyrocket league's popularity and the competition between western teams and eastern teams.
Riot wouldn't let this happen since this basically abandons the regular season or would significantly decrease its duration in order to fit in more tournaments. Plus CS has a lot of tournament organizers with their own funding/sponsoring while Riot is basically just themselves. While I do think these could be a great idea to increase regional competitiveness, they would have to make serious changes to their system + find sponsors.
@@carlotan8712 I think riot can easily manage this and i dont think there will be a problem with finding sponsors. Also in my opinion this will help regular seasons. Maybe some teams will put an extra effort to get a spot in these tournaments.
@@armi5219 We had all these things back in the mid to late 2010’s, with western teams even winning these non-riot sponsored events and the results were still the same: eastern teams all peaking by the time MSI/Worlds group stage starts while Western teams start packing their bags and heading to the airport.
@@carlotan8712 I just want to point out that it didn't just end up that way by accident. Riot strictly controls the LoL tournament scene because they don't want anyone else getting a piece of the pie, at the expense of the quality of competition. The Swiss stage is a perfect example of them sacrificing real competitiveness for empty hype by giving scrub-tier regions every chance possible to make it to worlds and get 3-0'd or 3-1'd just because it brings in money. CS was far more open from the start, and by the time Valve realized the whole e-sports thing was serious, most of the big tournaments were already established and there would have been massive pushback in trying to centralize everything into a handful of Valve events. As a result the CS scene, despite having way less money in it than LoL for most of its lifetime, is way healthier than LoL because teams aren't just trying to survive until Worlds and then lose, but rather aiming for the next Cologne or IEM or what have you. CS isn't without its problems obviously (it massively centralized in Europe after covid) but Riot seems to genuinely not care about its own competitive scene as long as people are still dropping cash on it.
People keep complaining about the draw like it actually matters is crazy to me. At this point G2 expectation should be beating Asian teams, not getting out of Swiss stage. If G2 lost to all the Asian team now they probably still lost to them in quarters so why does it even matter? The expectation for G2 should be higher than getting out of the groups, it should be actually beating Asian teams. FLY making out of groups matters to them because they never had this kind of success, G2 has made as far as Finals at MSI so why does it matter if they get out of swiss or not? They still gonna get killed in quarters because they can't beat Asian teams. G2 also lost to NRG last year so what makes you think they won't lost to FLY or TL? It's not like NA got rolled over by Asian teams, they fought pretty hard against them as well, FLY was one team fight away from beating HLE in game 1.
@@yousufzohair4342 No? You beat Pain, and WBG in BO1, you lost to HLE in BO1. Then you lost to BLG, and T1, in BO3 so what's the different? You beat a LPL #4 seed, is that success for you? Even if you draw TL/FLY and beat them, make in the quarters, you lose to top Asian teams in BO5, you still feel the same.
if you don't commit practice to fully playing out your game from loosing position to the best of your ability. How are you going to play when you face teams that are on paper stronger than you? Will you fold over and colapse? I think the real reason for it is ego , there is too many superstar players with ego. If they took ownership of their own failures , then they would be more resistant, but these players push blame on their team mates and in return don't improve on their failures and don't learn how to play from loosing position. They fold over as soon as a mistake is done. You saw it in all asian games , they have set plays from loosing positions , because they still understand how to play out fights and won't loose out on tempo much. EU does not have this at all.
Maybe the hard focus on worlds from a lot of teams also hurt the region. The goal is just to get to worlds and then go from there. Why exhaust yourself contesting G2 when you already qualified?
I mean, look historically then LEC has only ever had two good teams any given year! Is either been FNC + G2 or FNC and SK with a few years where we had a few odd teams but they never really had any success internationally. I guess rogue and mad had a year each with decent results
yike threw their whole worlds run with that clueless flash in. i agree with dom they shouldve just finished baron and flashed out. But yike is being replaced next year. G2 will try to get inspired, elyoya, or skewmond (EUM star jungler)
No, you can't have Inspired back! He's OUR Rookie Whisperer now. 😂🤞🏻 Jokes aside--sure, the concept of a G2 Inspired team sounds ubeatable on paper, but you have to remember that "superteams" like that tend to fail more often than they succeed. There ends up being too many strong voices trying to be the leader of the events of the game, and no one ends up actually listening or following the calls for plays. It happens over and over and over again. The main reason FlyQuest look so good at Worlds, aside from the fact that Inspired is very talented, is because the team itself is balanced with a rookie botlane and an accommodating mid who are more than happy to follow his lead on what is happening in the game and how to win from there. I just don't see that happening with G2 when BB/Caps are already in that role. 2 is company and 3's a crowd, as they say. *shrug* NA has picked up on the success of this model. We have begun putting even more teams together like this FlyQuest one. I think it's why 100 Thieves beat C9 and why TL has shown so much success this year as well (despite a super tough loss at the end here). As a fan of League in general, it's tough to watch the old guard retire (like Bjerg and Doublelift) but it's also exciting to watch the new guys (Danny, APA, Massu, etc) show up HUNGRY for wins and stage time and then actually deliver on their practice and performance. EU only did this with MAD, but I hope to see more teams like it and I hope MAD sees so much success next year, like TL did this year. 👍🏻
G2 literally already went through the failed superteam arc when they got Rekkless, I really really hope they won't just run it back with Inspired for no reason.
@@mrmcawesome9746 Exaaaaactly. I even enjoy this current G2 roster a lot. Yike is really, really good too! I see no reason why they can't just run it back for "3rd time's a charm" if all the players still believe they can win together.
@@lizzb1065 the player said themselves this year was a failure and if 2023 was a fluke this year is the confirmation . If u want to win worlds u have to beat BLG and not gift games losing to baron and they did it twice 1 against BLG 1 against T1 , against HLE it was draft scaling diff . Anyway it's skewmond confirmed
Ive been saying this all year, G2 has no competition in LEC. Even when theyre losing, they end up winning the game because no team can close out vs them
MAD lions didn’t deserve to be here. I would have rather seen BDS get that experience. MAD made it out of Play-Ins just to take 2 losses from other Play-Ins teams in Swiss stage. With harder draws they would have gotten knocked out of Play-Ins just like 100 Paycheck Thieves
Can anyone start talking about increasing the lec and lcs games during the seasons? They play far less matches every year, naturally they gonna be worse
I don't agree with they not knowing how to play the situation they don't watch LCK or LPL? They can't extrapolate information and situations? They don't have coaches that would question those situations? Brother ITS A BARON SITUATION THEY SHOULD KNOW THOSE LIKE THE BACK OF THEIR HANDS ITS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IN THE GAME
been saying this for a while, most LEC teams only aim to win region whereas G2 aims for internationals and as such never put up a fight when their chips are down...tell me why during the splits teams beat G2 but come finals they always hoist the trophy, i'm an avid G2 fan but each international tournament disappointment sets because they lose in games where they had actual chances of winning
One point is the pool of players available. Half of LEC players know there is no talents at all to replace them so they don't need to put any effort into renewing their contract.
The problem is also there is no real punishment for losing, you get last and oh well that's it. there is no relegation or reason to try really hard especially if it costs teams more money
That sounds like an excuse to me. It's not so much different in Asia. Look at their lineups man. Most of these people are ancient. They don't bring huge amounts of talented rookies in every year. Instead it's the same players every year beating the shit out if the west with only minor changes.
Another thing that hardcore griefs the region is this idiotic BO1 format. I'm not surprised teams soft ff, one bad earlygame and you are cooked for the week. The amount of actual games the LEC gets is insanely low, not to mention the scrim cancels. I'm not sure in which season it was but I do remember Romain posting how teams like FNC were just skipping scrims against them almost the entire season. So they don't practice against the strongest team, they don't contest them in the actual matches and they soft ff when the game looks bad because it's just a BO1. Half of the LEC plays not to be eliminated from the League itself, they don't even try to upset teams like G2. Meanwhile the other 3 are racing to be the 2nd so they get some money without tiring themselves out preparing against G2. During this, G2 doesn't actually give a shit about them, they drop random games sometimes because they are testing off-off meta crap, as they just win the playoffs anyway. They are actively trying to use the main season to prep for internationals - without any team to compete. If it was just 2-3 teams who were actually trying and weren't the Sad Lions. Imho the current G2 is insanely strong and they were able to give some of the best teams in the world a very serious run for their money. However, only the W matters in the end.
G2 is 100% a team that needs better practice. Last msi they did well they got to China early to skrim. This year they didn’t bootcamp and their scrims results looks disastrous in comparison
Swiss makes it way harder for western teams to get out. While there were groups of death, in which even some asian teams choke, there were always at least 2 groups of "life" where top western teams are paired with lower ranking asian teams permanently the entire group stage and with certainty. You just cannot get that in swiss.
Swiss makes it actually super easy for 1 western team to get out compared to a normal bracket. As if you get lucky you don't have to win a single game against LCK /LPL to get out (FLY & NRG) are prime examples.
I'm sorry, what? The entire reason why they changed format to swiss is to give western teams higher chance to get out, this is also why we don't have proper seeding. It's not coincidence why it happened in 2023, in 2022 we were 1 bug away from having 4 LCK and 4 LPL knockout stage, every group having LCK and LPL team made it extremely hard for western teams to get out
Aaargh why has it to be like this. So you just analysed that they could have taken the baron there for free because no smite for blg and then ryze-ult out. And from there on it's a win.
If the renek tanks the sylas e they just win the game. So close actualy, and very sad for G2. They were competitive for once, I think they had a little shot at winning it all. Next year will be bad for the west, maybe in 2-3 years we can do something. If caps is still here.
Its sad how the west only hope to beat eastern teams is G2. And if G2 doesn't get the practice it just makes it extra hard for them. LCS is even more sad cus they don't have a G2. Fly's coach is happy that they took a game of HLE? Who the fuck would be happy taking a game of HLE if u lose in the end? Thats also a shit mentality. TL has the right mentality but they don't have the hands and skill to follow up on it. Kinda ironic how G2 basically has the best of both teams. These teams need to face eachother more often, maybe add a extra tournament just between the LEC and the Americas. So G2 has better practice and Fly/TL can try and be the teams fnc is suppose to be to G2 and give them a challenge
I do agree but I hate the idea that the responsibility for g2 losing is not on g2. Yes the region sucks but you cant pretend to be a great team then lose and the say that it is not your fault.
I watch LEC every year and i agree, "they've been beaten into submission" is totally that, they're just feeling ok with losing 'to G2 because its normal, like they couldnt stand a chance' ??? We also have a problem about recruiting players, every good player (In ERL lets say), wants to go to G2 if they have the chance So G2 always have a 'super team' with the best prospects, while others team are left with washed up veterans (and some famous paycheck stealers), mid tier players or rookies that have to learn in one split (of 9 BO1, lol) I wish we had a region with at least 3/4 teams that can compete internationally, so far lets be honest its barely one, G2
Lec format is just so terrible. Players need to tryhard since the beginning, there is not enough matches, you cannot test picks because your life is always on the line. So all you get is a monotonous ban pick, which is not only boring for the public, but it hurts competitiveness and long term projects. Kc is a great example and vitality superteams as well. They just are regarded as massive failures for not performing well in 9 matches. Ridiculous shit. And now you have 4 titles, which is preposterous. Just makes it so meaningless
I would also like to get some insight in how these orgs function, what is coaching staff actually doing. Because 2019 G2 had macro that was just so unconventional and insane, where is that shit now?
inbetween they had the biggest most disgusting fraud that has ever been allowed to coach an elite team in nelson. If you look at that guys history every single team he touches gets worse.
I've never watched any Worlds besides a bit of 2022 where DRX had a miracle run, so i don't even have any hopes as someone from EU. But i've been paying attention and watching almost all games this Worlds and EU just gives me depression so i stopped caring even for that brief moment i got sucked in. Not sure why any western fan should even care at this point, it's always just either Korea or China, boring.
They don't have the accountability. Like asian teams treat it like work and it is their work. They show up to win not just not to lose vs stronger teams every game. Unlike Western teams like they expect to lose and wouldn't even try sometimes.
Korea and china have a vast talent pool. Better top end talent too. G2 could win worlds, but they would need luck and some crazy meta change that they were good at.
the main problem is the inability to say u suck. yall EU fans prop up g2 like some kinda messiah asian team killer is why their heads are too big to actually learn the game and improve.
Just look at T1 vs BLG. Faker and Zeus died and BLG tried to do Baron 5v3. T1 didn't panic. They knew BLG had Ahri/Jhin and couldn't do the Baron that fast. They approached properly by clearing vision. They knew Zeus had TP and would get there soon. They then synchronized their engage with Oner/Guma having perfect target selection. Then won the fight and got Baron.
they just got unlucky on that mid fight if rend didnt go on sylas and rumble died they wouldve spent less time trying to kill rumble than be 1 shot for ezreal but yea scarier regions take their times
LEC teams do not understand that doing a 5 vs 4 baron isn't 100% safe it's more the times u lose it and get aced then u get it cause baron shreds damages and cc your team . Lec teams also greed baron 5 vs 1 where the 1 iis the enemy jungle and they paid a won game against T1 for this . 2 important games lost to baron
@@theteamxxx3142 The point in this video isn't just that. The play is correct but they play it out super poorly 90% of the time. Taking 5v4 around baron is the correct play if 2 of the enemy team is still coming from base, 7:42 . If you don't do it, a winning game state will turn into an even one, or even worse you will bleed out slowly from playing too passive.
@@jenzu4229 There are many micro mistakes that ended up in them losing, at the beggining of the fight caps retreats while on taric ult so we missed a good amount of dmg that he could have done wihtout retaliation. If Hans sama flashes on Elk's face he could have stun him with taric e (he was pretty close when that happened) and even if ezreal cleanses akali would destroy him very quickly, if Hans sama pops E a second earlier Rumble dies. If they commit and all 4 of them just go front face against elk he can't kill them all.
There are a lot of tiny mistakes, G2 could have won that but at the end of the day its about performance. They did great and I'm pretty sure they could have won that but thats in the past. Its good to know they have the abilitie to come back from that point in the game
good analysis on ur part i think theres also a desperation element cuz T1 legit could not give that baron or they lose. its just a type of play that a team like FNC would never go for or even realise they can 3v5 cause theyre so shriveled up in their own thoughts, theyre so afraid of throwing further so they sit there and watch G2 takes everything, the baron, the nexus, the summer cup, the season final cup, their entire life morgage etc
I agree with Dom that teams are soft giving up. As a fan of LEC, teams got complacent with potentially only being 2nd best in the region and maybe only trying to show up on game day instead of proving themselves day to day. You know who want to prove themselves? Rookies. The era of Perkz and Caps only happened because EU invested in their rookies in 2015. So many good rookies showed up within the timeframe of 2015-2018, and 2018-2020 FNC, G2 were the products of this evolvement. I think Mad lions and Rouge did a very nice job after this era and made good teams from rookies as well, and I respect MAD for getting to worlds with 4 rookies(the only teams that really did bring new players for a long time), but we hold onto old values for too long and lack the mindset of innovation in our region to prosper these rookies to new heights. Instead we invest into the good old players, stagnate our league and put the our eggs in the only basket that can do anything - G2.
LEC are pivoting to imports now since they aren't finding a good rookies and the vets are always fumbling internationally. Some report that players from the LPL might go to LEC. The eastern teams are just better and the gap definitely isn't closing anytime soon
This video is 100% correct, everything he says about the Baron contest give me flashbacks of Odoamne and Larssen not making space for Hans Sama Kalista with Rogue at 2021 Worlds. They just crumble under pressure and revert to monkey brain uga buga mistakes since they have no practice and fundamentals to fall back onto
the current format is very bad for developing rookies
scarra was rigth, franchising ruined competetivness, gone are the days where shit teams got relegated and good teams/orgs would get a chance at the biggest stage, paycheckstealers are everywhere instead we get streamerteams getting kicked from competition, not because they arent good enougth but because they are not allowed to profit off theyre performance.
So FNC had a full team of veterans?
even GenG loses to BRO, it just really put the perspective of lower ranked teams being competitive or top tier teams making mistakes the lower ranked team punishing it
G2 lost to the weakest teams plenty of times as well though
@@TheDamnEasycorrect me if im wrong but g2 this year didnt lose in a best of series to teams other than fnc and mad the whole year right? Like if we go by one game series geng also has games where they go 0-1 but turn it 2-1 and in lec that 0-1 would be a loss.
@@urekmazino4935 I mean GenG rarely lost in a bo5 as well. They lost the final, but they were very dominant the whole year
@@justhair17GenG only lost 1 Bo5 all year, but even in the ones they won they have been consistently pushed for sure. 3-2 against T1 and DK, very close 3-1 victories against HLE.
G2 have won multiple series' they did not deserve to win. Even in LCS we have seen TL and FLY push each other very consistently which is a large reason why they are even performing as well as they are. The glow up that players like Yeon, APA, Massu, Busio have had goes beyond any player in LEC has had this year
@@urekmazino4935funny how u don’t ever whatch ur region lmao they lost to mad lion hahahahahha
It's beyond insane to me that G2 has this many wins in the LEC, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2020 and 2024 they won everything, and even in most of those other years they maybe only lost one finals, looking at 2022 and 2023. I bet that other LEC teams look at it as competing amongst themselves to fight for second believing that they will just lose to G2 in the finals.
The only reason a team should win that much in a single region is because either there isn't enough done to push the other teams to improve their infrastructure or the other teams have conceded any kind of ambitions (even long term) of being successful because of G2. Which is why I think we hear stories about players like Humanoid and how he will soft int games he feels are lost in scrims. They don't think that they can win and so soft give up on achieving anything.
For me this is the key reason EU has fallen off so much, most of the ambitions of winning are lost and they don't know what they can do to change it, so are stuck in this status quo of thinking its not a certain player or coaches fault so keep them around for a year or 2 longer than they should be.
it may be harsh but i think they're becoming the new TSM, dominant locally and trash internationally.
Too comfy with no resistance, no competition and all the time to become complacent.
@neo_child TSM wish they had a fraction of the international success G2 have lmao
@@neo_child nah that's more like Bad Kittens but at least Bad Kittens made out of group stage at least twice
@@neo_child Nah TSM was just disgusting always. You had pig Doublelift who was dating the manager(*????) and running into ryze who kills him in 0 seconds, Bjerg who was really never even 50% what Caps is, and then oldschool NA boys on other lanes who just were never on a level where they should be at an international tournament. Hauntzer btw is probably the worst western player of all time.
Literally the only reason MDK made worlds is because they dont soft ff to G2 and won thet one BO5 against them
And also Because They have weird Plot Armour
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And also because the entire region is garbage besides G2
One single bo5 but mad lions and fnc are the only teams to beat g2 in a bo5 this entire year.
I blame ocelote/Carlos. In 2018 Fnatic and G2 were competitive, then g2 stole FNC's best player (caps). FNC somehow recover and in 2020 they almost beat TES in a bo5 at worlds. Then G2 steal their best player again (rekkles), and prevent perkz from going to a LEC team (the contract was later deemed illegal for how controlling it was). Then rekkles doesnt work, so G2 have worsened both themselves and FNC, but instead of letting rekkles go back to a different LEC team they send him to KC, effectively ending his career.
In summary, g2 sent 2 of the 3 best LEC players of all time to different regions, continually made their only real rival weaker, then get surprised when the region becomes anti-competitive and the quality of LEC drops massively.
Not just G2 - Rogue did it. Fnatic have done it. EU orgs don’t like competition, that’s why we had franchising where they suffocated all the leagues below them and stuffed them full of 25 year old wash outs… because western teams are striving to keep their jobs. Not win.
there's no way you're insinuating that the roster move that gave us the best eu team ever by a longshot was bad, because it "weakened fnc".
@@uhmkey No it’s the fact that G2 deliberately tried to weaken the rest of EU by contract prisoning players, sending them off to different regions or holding them to ransom - which did weaken the LEC.
@@PeoplePleaser578 My comment is mostly a reply to OP's first 3 sentences (and getting G2 getting Rekkles since it's a simillar situation). Those moves are entirely seperate from jailing players afterwards and should be praised imo.
@@uhmkey Read his comment he does say it’s more to do with them jailing them and disposing them afterwards than it is to do with buying them. G2 should be praised but also shouldn’t with Rekkles for example - Because they deliberately screwed over Perkz and then took Rekkles not because they actually wanted him… but because it would weaken Fnatic to not have him (Grabbz talked about this, that they only went after Rekkles because of Fnatic and not because they actually wanted him). G2 basically tried their hardest to screw over the competition… then complain they don’t get good practice and there is limited competition.
10:00 the Rumble would also be hitting Baron with Q helping you leash if you go inside too, so it's even faster
The difference in mindset too, the LEC teams goal is to win LEC whereas the G2's goal is to win worlds already thats why they built teams consisting of new and high potential players
Even worse knowing fnatic is the only one giving a fuck about winning lec despite being terrible as the regions 2nd best
LEC teams goals AREN'T to win LEC this statement is super fake I mean it's like me saying my goal is to be an astronaut even though I never studies aerospace engineering in my life.
But they aren't trying to win LEC they are just trying to be second place to G2.
whe whole of europe won't hit surrender on a 20 kill deficit soloq game but they'll instantly send it in pro play. good to see
Any chance you're from Korea? 😂
however we do that to abuse our team, the "we're 20 kills down and you're stick in here with me" kinda mentality
@@jordanhood2166 I don't know if that's true though. If my team is down 20 kills in a soloQ game I also don't ff because I know enemy team is also dogshit and doesn't know how to finish. They just need to make one mistake and you can turn it. I have seen that so many times already.
@@Micha-qv5uf i have exactly the same thinking and experience. Never FF. Your Opponents are dogshit too.
@@Micha-qv5uf nah he's right for the most part, usually the people that don't surrender are the ones running it down. At least that has been my experience recently from playing and watching streams
As an LEC fan I can say - that is true. The LEC itself is to blame for the bad past results. People are most of the time chilling and accepting. I mean out of 10 teams 8 get out of the first round - that is not right!!! And you have too many chances to get to worlds and literally chill until summer and still be able to get there. That's not correct. There is rly G2 that just really wants to compete at international level. Fnatic which should be competitive too until 2019 which was 8 years of from the first season on, just "accepted" that there are good enough to get to worlds, but there you don't expect any results. And the other teams ... I have the feeling that MOST of the players don't grind, because they are scared of failure... because it hurts if you give ur best and lose. So yeah, atm we are a 1 team region and I hope that changes again. I expected nothing from NA - i mean EU won MSI and Worlds and also have more Runners ups in Worlds too. I think NA go the only runners up at season 1 where FNATIC won worlds, but this is the first year I have to say that FLY and TL - NA can be proud of them, because they are promissing teams. Would like to have watched a FLY vs Weibo Quaters, because GENG ... that's impossible to win. Anyways, wish you a good luck NA and hope you will give them some good games.
S1 was EU vs EU, NA where in semis.
This baron fight is such a crazy example. Yike is *COMPLETELY* disjointed, miky is sitting on baron while they turn, hans is in narnia not hitting ANYTHING (why??), caps is trying but whatever.
I was watching that fight excited for the turn, but they just tossed it. They literally ran in, one at a time.
Tbh I'm iron but miky just looked like he was inting a lot of the time. Like wintrading
@@neotokyo385 this level of degenerate gameplay, the whole team is throwing it. The call was to stall baron, then yike randomly hops in for some reason. Poor communication, and yike dies with miky trying to save the bad play instead of making the correct play.
Looks like inting but it's definitely a lack of communication. Miky did make some disgusting plays and got caught FAR more than he should, BUT they made him primary engage with no real backup front line for numerous games.
@@neotokyo385 Miky is a great player it looks more like communication and macro issues rather than individual player skills, that and getting caught due to lack of vision. I mean G2 has the best EU and probably best western roster I think they need to focus more on Macro and comms rather than roster changes...
(A lotta people flaming Miky and Yike but I generally think they are great players)
bruh hitting baron for infinite heals and stun xdd i agree he does questionable things but this one was the best play.
@@meeh7335 no friend... he's not getting "infinite heals", like his health is very clearly going DOWN. ALSO his passive is on no one AND he's not in range of anyone to use his abilities. ALSO tanking baron shreds almost all of your resists which is why he and xin popped like a balloon... AND he burnt flash to get back in range... AND he didn't use his q or ult properly...
Like 99.9999% of the time i lawyer up for miky and hyllisang lol. This is.... absolutely not the time for that. The only solace IS THEY ALL screwed up, he wasn't the "sole reason". The whole play sucked
Hot take, G2 is culpable for the downfall of LEC competition. 2016-2020, there was competition locally and internationally.
2021 Perkz wants to go to FNC but G2 block it. Common that G2 blocks talent going top teams.
Imagine 2021 you have a more competitive FNC alongside MAD and RGE becoming new competitors on the scene
You can include 2015 too... EU had two teams legitimately in semi-finals... We will never even dream about it.
G2 didn't fail the LEC, the LEC failed G2 when G2 was given the red carpet to the trophy every single split/playoffs without much resistance
It's so sad to witness LEC in this form right now
I feel like most LEC Teams are just built to perform decently.. They don't actually want to win everything. That is One of the reason I love MAD lions.. Their Previous roster made it to worlds.. And Also won a Split with Nisqy and Chasy. But they wanted More so They Completely Rebuilt their Team from Scratch
@@yousufzohair4342 and if they upgrade mid lane and fix their mid game they can at least contest the title while FNC fumbles another season
G2 killed the region, the exact moment when lec started to fall is when Ocelote fucked over FNC and Prkz by forcing him to play adc and then delaying his release to force him into NA.
Until that point the region was really competitive and FNC was a serious contender to the title, after that the region simply died.
never forget what G2 did.
Basically what bwipo said but everyone had a cry. He might have been a bit harsh against some players but at this point we need to hold the paycheck stealers accountable.
It sounds like you think it is any different in NA
Mikyx especially lol
I agree with you, but right now i would considwr bwipo being the same
Bro you got out of groups from only winning against minor regions, bwipo has no legs to stand on
Bwipo is a clown lol. He says they don't want to improve in eu while going through na for money and it's not even like he's playing well. It's just that you bwipo stans are not familiar with common sense!
I don't usually agree with Dom but this one I'm 100% with him. That is a very good take on the game state in LEC. No resistance. G2 doesn't have any good fight in LEC thus making them very vulnerable to eastern team's tenacity. This reminds me of how many times LCK or LPL team just 3v5 EU or NA team and easily win.
as someone who agrees with him like 90% of the time im curious why you dont? what does he usually say thats "wrong"?
Bwipo was right
The only reason Bwipo is still in the tournament is because of their luck in draws. Sure, they played HLE in a non elimination series. But G2 drew all the best teams🤣 FLY had insane luck, playing against the likes of PNG, GAM, PSG….
@@PatBat3mandoesnt mean he’s not right
@@PatBat3man agree but that does not change Bwipo was right. I think G2 is by far the best western team, unfortunately we don't get to see them 3-1 or 3-0 FLY or TL
Bwipo is mostly right but sadly since he's bad at the game no one take him seriously
@@PatBat3manu sound salty
Exactly. No roster shuffles will make G2 Esports stronger. The only way they can get better if the region geta stronger.
the FNC in the 2019 that pushed G2 to double 5 game series in the LEC summer before Worlds was a blessing for G2
Accurate analysis by Dom. G2’s “competition” in the LEC are more fanboys than competitors. They have the mindset that “well G2 is gonna win it all anyway so what’s the point” and don’t give it their all during matches/scrims. It screws over G2 when it comes to international competition
When you look at teams like GenG, BLG, HLE, T1 I really agree with the sentiment that they put up way more resistance until the end than bad teams. Even when they're losing they feel like zombie teams that take 100 shots to put down, and in so many games they'll come back from deficits and win. I feel like the only teams that really fight from behind in the west are G2 and FLY.
Ahh yes the poor g2 who doesnt get pushed enough in LEC because others are bad and have gotten complacent.
Shall we remind Dom and other g2 fan boys how we got to this point ? Lets remember the glorious 2020 Off-season.
Perkz was let go,nemesis was let go. Perkz wanted to go back to mid ,obviously g2 would let FNC take perkz and take Upset as their adc. So we would have these 4 OMEGA rosters battling it out.
Rogue with Odo, Inspired, Larssen, Hans & Trymbi
MDK with Armut, Elyoya, Huma, Carzzy & Kaiser
FNC with Bwipo, Selfmade, Perkz, Rekkles & Hyli
And then on top of that a G2 with Wunder, Jankos, Caps, Upset & MikyX
What we got instead Perkz was sent to fucking NA ,Rekkles was taken away and lured by empty promises to G2 and THAN got sent to shadow realm in KC after being pretty much best player in g2. Which than led to ROgue next year do same shit and fuck EU region even more splitting the talent even further apart.
G2 made its own bed. You wanna blame FNC/MDK/BDS for not being a good competitor ? Fine but remember its the G2 that started this chain of events and made orgs to implement all these fucked up clauses and stupid buyouts to not let their players join teams in their region.
League is a game of knowledge game and competition at this point. Mechanics are 2nd tier atm. Almost everybody can farm properly and play their 3-5 champions to close perfection. Rekkles and Perkz are some of the smartest ppl when it comes to this game. Take them away and you effectively take away years and years of knowledge . Now couple that with sending Inspired/hans sama/Bwipo to fucking away and you can see the ripple effect on how teams play years later. Game sense isnt something you are gonna develop in 2nd tier divisions it takes time and experience.
True
Correct and add on top of that riot changing the format to pure garbage where bottom 6 teams go for easy and quick results (not being bottom 2) instead of improving with seasons or splits . I take BDs for example went from nothing to a decent team , same was for rogue from bottom to winning LEC when it still matters . Now winning LEC feels like winning nothing and there's no long view just short . I'll rather copy LCK format than make LCK and LPL suffer the same fate next year
Thank you, that 2020 off season fucked Europe
Actually deranged Rekkles fanboy talk. And yes, G2 are responsible for Inspired and Bwipo going to America somehow, as if EU players going to NA hasn't been a thing since the inception of the league.
And btw, Rekkles wasn't in the LEC cause people didn't WANT him, cause he's a pain in the ass to work with.
Underrated comment honestly. SO many people are loving to make G2 as an org out to be the victims here but they ruined the competitiveness of EU themselves. Sure there are other factors that went on but G2 had a very intentional and deliberate hand in their own stagnation.
I think the main problem in the LEC at the moment is players not being really motivated to learn/to improve. There is a cool interview from tolkin with grabz where he pretty much said players will rather watch EU masters than teams/matches where they can learn something (i.e LPL/LCK)
There is a reason why there are sayings like "Monsters are not created in a vacuum, they are products of their environment." or "Competition breeds innovation."
There is no competition in LEC... No environment for innovation or monsters to be born... and G2 suffers because of it. It is rather hard to improve when you only get too face real competition twice a year...
Yeah some people are just fucked up, but the majority of people who do bad shit is because they’re were raised by bad people or in an environment where they have to do crime etc
G2 is like a delinquent lol they barely have to try to get by
When G2 has a gold lead against an eastern team it just looks like an even game. if g2 has a gold lead against any western team it is basically gg if they are behind it is 50/50 at best
Hans flashing to avoid the Rell when Sylas and Rumble are hitting Xin and have no CDs to follow is sad
ngl Hans had a pretty bad tournament. He's invisible in a lot of the important fights and especially the BLG series
@@Xalexalexale I think being invisible in this meta makes sense, there were only a few games in Swiss where the ADC was able to really shine but he has too many blunders in important matches like the stupid death against Gragas.
The thing I've always noticed with EU is that it's basically G2 and others in recent years.
I agree that some of it is probably the other teams being okay with losing, but I think the reason they're so beaten down is because G2 spends at least half of their domestic games literally trolling and still win most of those convincingly simply because EU as a whole isn't strong enough to compete with them unless G2 troll especially hard... Like in LEC playoffs by dropping a random Irelia top in game 5 vs MDK's hyper mobile team and Vi, or picking Noc-Ori into two of the most mobile ADC's in the game, or their attempts at making Gwen jungle a thing when she wasn't even meta in Top. No one taking their opponents seriously would ever make those calls, but G2 doesn't care, because they don't take their opponents seriously and in a lot of cases, they don't have to.
Your point is still valid overall but the gwen pick wasn't a try as being troll or anything like that. The G2 staff legit thought it was a lowkey strong pick on the patch, they were wrong ofc but the intention was good.
Teams stopped trying because they can. You go last in the region, it doesn’t matter, cuz your boss already paid your lec slot for next year
I mean when the 2nd best team in the region has literally no chance against G2 it's hard to inspire confidence in teams 3-5 that they have any chance...
I'm a G2 fan but somehow I hated watching G2 this year because it felt like they were gifted games and series they shouldn't have won too often. It's more a problem of watching LEC not G2 but yeah.
Sadly I'm not surprised that G2 is looking for a new support; Mikyx is a good player but his weaknesses he couldn't fix like dying randomly are punished too hard when playing against elite LPL and LCK teams outvalueing his great engage. As to Yike, I'm not sure, I think he's the best in the LEC, but he was overall invisible every early game this year not even getting leads in CS.
i kinda agree and disagree. FNC, BDS and don't just throw in the towel vs G2 and run it down but they do not have any idea how to properly play the game behind or ahead. G2 is the ONLY LEC team that focuses on Macro and even then its not to the level of LCK/ LPL but FNC, BDS, MDK so on have no idea AT ALL how to play ahead or behind properly so its why G2 dominated the region.
Maybe in the next year when afaik there will be 3rd international tournament it will be better for G2. Cuz I've lost faith in any improvement of LEC from the rumors: FNC keep Huma + Razork + Oscar for another year of macro masterclass, BDS get 113 in again, MDK is almost the same which is good enough for LEC I guess but don't think can push G2, VIT has Carrzy + Hilly and I hope players that will follow him and not diva midlaner who is most likely out of LEC, Vladi + Caliste might be a good carry core for KC, Jackies jailed in GX etc. So as you can see the pieces are there to build around, but GMs of EU would rather cuck whole region altogether than create another good roster that can compete vs G2
A byproduct of being a one team region is the expectation of G2 winning I think just creates a defeatist mindset for their opposition.
I see only one way for the LEC to become better again: G2 nurtures staff that then leaves, gets leading roles in other orgs and establishes a similar culture there. We truly are a one team region and nothing will improve if it stays that way.
I cant believe rogue was the last lec team to make worlds quarters in 2022. Thats two freaking years ago
i dont understand how we haven't figured out how to play vs lck and lpl, there is so much gamefootage we can learn from and watch but i doesnt seem like ppl do, or they do but dont understand what to do ingame, i mean if lebron can watch gamefootage and learn we should be able to do the same with league
Laziness from the west
It's for the same reason that hardstuck low elo players (gold and below) won't suddenly get diamond from watching replays and their favorite streamers - You can have all the knowledge and prep, but if you don't practice against it, you won't be ready for it. Especially if a team suddenly innovates on a strategy you prepared against.
Eastern teams have a bigger pool of talent + they practice way more due to their culture. They can vod review their games but that won't help them at all
@@Crimzy2304But they will get them diamond if they put enough time AND thoughts into it. Demos not here to watch, they are here to learn from. And also by steadily increasing the level (going from gold to plat, plat to eme etc.) they will face enemies that will refine your knowledge and gameplay. But in case of G2 they are hardstuck GM players that have to compete with high Chal enemies when their practice partners are diamonds at best. Of course it will be harder for them if noone else step up their game
the feminization of the west
It's that time of a year when everyone brings the worst in them to comments.
It is dissapointing G2 didn't make it out. I would put them at about 5th or 6th in strength at this competition. They could easy take any NA team, they smashed Weibo and they were very close with the LPL#1 Seed.
lol
average g2 fan delusion
@@ContessaTaylor-l5b he's no that far wrong . G2 > weibo DK FLY and TL . They inted at baron against BLG because of a failed TP track and they also didn't respect oner and fliipped a baron . Those were 2 games lost to themselves rather then the opponent . Geng T1 BLG LNG HLE are still better as for TES some can argue they might choke again in a bo5 like they did at MSI this makes G2 top 6-7
@@theteamxxx3142 Contessa might be the delusional one xD
@@theteamxxx3142 they can't even beat NRG last year how ya think they gonna fair against TL/FLY whom they are losing against in scrims?
G2 fans are the most delusional fanboys ever. They haven't been able to escape groups in 4 years lmao
So... your just saying LEC needs to be more competitive? I agree with that. A lot of teams need to begin swapping players out. Heard G2 is letting Yike and Mikyx explore options. Fnatic should get a new mid and maybe a change in the bot lane duo. Same goes for the LCS teams. I think TL needs to swap out their Jungle for someone else and they can import that in and splurge a little. Flyquest hasnt lost yet but make Bwipo a coach or something he is washed. Every team has little things they can change but i agree LEC as a whole has been G2 and no one else. Just zero resistance in the last 2-3 years. I feel at times maybe they need the crazy player like a Hylissang or a Jeonghoon with elite pocket picks. Something that gives them a bit of an edge for G2. Or just bring some young prospect up that has good mechanics. I felt the relatableness to this team was the fact at times this team had no imports it is strictly an EU team. So... it might feel weird to import but we will see what they do. There is truth to the memes against some NA teams like TL which was like 4 Koreans and FQ has 1 Korean but then 2 EU players. I feel G2 might understand that connection and choose not to import but it will be hard to ignore acquiring players that have massive talent that might come for cheaper than they have before.
Brother Hylissang is just not that good brother.. look at his Laning phases you will get what I am saying.
@yousufzohair4342 oh no I know that. 😅😂 I just mean someone with different picks to throw in. You obviously need to find some sort of young prospect to fill the spot.
I dunno, I think the baron play by g2 they should be playing to turn way earlier on the baron, at the beginning hans and miky are positioned to block bin and on from entering, but they let them walk up for free 2 v 4 because caps is afk or something. Then they still don't turn when on wiffs his stun when its still 2 v 4, and they don't turn until after knight arrives then they just get hands diffed. Hans should be tripple killing them for free here but his spacing is fucking awful, he has flash and no one on enemy team does, but instead of positioning forward and baiting them with his flash he just does 0 dmg cause he's spacing too far away and can't hit, then wastes his flash just to walk into the stun anyway because he isn't positioning up he's positioning down and gets fucked by rumble ult and sylas for it. An adc with good fight awareness and who can count and is aware of enemy cooldowns should be hard carrying this situation imo. And if I'm playing kalista in this game in solo queue, I'm flaming my ryze being fucking useless.
I have not watched the video yet, but as Fnatic fan since season 2 I CAN TELL YOU what is wrong with eu teams.
Its that theres no "dictators" No leaders no heroes no identity. Teams take the safe way, "copy" the good teams and they try their best. No amount copying good teams and doing it their way will NEVER EVER win in International level. Sure you can stumble around into rank 2 in LEC just because of the caliber of players, but if your team has no "identity" they will not outplay team with Better players.
EU has worse players, if they want to win they need to play as a team THEIR WAY. Not the way koreans play or etc.
MDK was worst team to qualify from play-ins and FNC was worst team qualified already in Swiss. Neither had ANY chance to win ANY GAME against eastern teams.
G2 well, they are best players in EU, and they have some identity(they might be better team if their competition wasnt fucking FNC).
Still they picked Orianna and Nocturne 1 and 2, sure its nice combo. Tough against world class team you will tell your gameplan in first 2 picks, kinda easy to play against straticly right?
Flyquest played nunu right? So imagine their enemy played a team that was super tanky, but super SLOW... so flyquest went with speed and easily won.
This is what you need to do in international level, you cannot just play the "tutorial(like white eggshell color, everyone has it everyone knows it" comb.
Personally i think G2 best games were the last 2 games from them against BLG, the ryze pick was the thing they needed too bad they panicked.
So how to fix EU teams = you need a DICTATOR in game and DICTATOR outside game, basicly you need a good leader who can tell WHAT to do after the chaos of teamfights ends.
Decision making is EXTREMELY slow on EU teams to the point they dont make fucking decision they let enemy make them.
Then they need to find their way of playing, for example G2 caps on Agency champs that have a threath is 10x more harder to play against than orianna caps. Just because something is good and in meta, does not mean you "need" to play it. You can also use the meta to your advantage otherways.
And lastly the region as a whole need to grow some fucking balls. Ill be honest i dont know much about picks or high elo LOL. The feeling these eU teams eminate on rift is fear, confusion and cowardice. From coaching staff to picks to the way calls are made in game and out are just smelling like part fear.
Can the EU teams just play in the way they can have pride in their WORK and EFFORT they put in? Last 3 worlds, there were only few players who played like they were PROUD of them self.
You can only be proud of your self, when you take the shit seriously. There are not many players who can say they are proud of their EFFORT.
Lastly the orgs, i guess they cost so much to run so they take the easy way. Get top placements in LEC all good. Well guess what, its not "all good"... last season of LOL was so fucking boring. LEC, worlds most games EU teams played were just boring to hell. Everyone played the same, same thing everytime all the time.
Will not fix writing errors on my rant, seriously concidering not watching FNC games anymore: its been what 5 - 6 years since they won something? 4 years since they were evenclose to winning? Honestly the team closest to Wage stealing is Fnatic team members from coaching, owners to players. I guess there is effort, but it definetly isnt genuine effort. Why hit your head against a wall, when you could make geniuine effort and get a FUCKING hammer.
actually insane to me how one small decision like turning there at baron literally cost them the entire tournament in the end. Cause there is a very low chance they still lose this game after they get baron with that comp.
That FNC series v G2 should tell you EVERYTHING about how bad LEC has been.
Even the analyst and casters couldn't believe how they threw that game
what program is showing that "temps to plummet" on his taskbar?
Such a great video
i feel this, other LEC teams is not playing the way the G2 plays.. that's why they are the best team.
The root of the issue is the same one that plagues all sports. You’re already part of the in crowd. Already have your paycheck coming in. Why would you over exert yourself and risk burnout? Just cruise comfortably near the top and stay there as long as you can before being replaced.
Ok but its a regional culture thing, the eastern teams don't give a fuck about that because they don't have insane egos and think they are special out of thin air. And also have respect for being good at the game and hold that as a principle. In EU the egos are off the roof and players are very emotional, that is the mentality for the last couple years even in soloq and that is the problem imo
This is an issue of franchising, not of all esports. SC2 didn't have this issue and you know why? because the best players got resigned to their teams that were paying them a higher paycheck than they would be getting from other teams and the players who weren't performing as well got dropped and had to resign to other teams.
Results are bad but we could challenge asian teams in the late game. We lost multiple times while being ahead and 1 late game teamfight away from victory. It means we can still challenge these teams in fair and square battle. It's not great performance but our best one since 2020 imo.
They have better macro
@@robertwide6592 they also punish mistakes unlike LEC teams . G2 lost 1 game to T1 and 1 game to BLG for that . Against HLE it was more like draft diff if u want to win worlds u cannot lose those games
@@robertwide6592 Like usual but it's possible to adapt. They also have better and reliable mechanics + champion pool. We can't compete with that but we can create atleast one team that can challenge this for sure. It's just that current TOP EU/NA rosters are a mess.
This actually makes a lot of sense
idk why mikyx gets flamed here. in that situation miky did the correct play. hit nash with taric and heal your xin to full hp while enemy chunks at you. If yike didnt flash turn they wouldve gotten nash and ulted out
yeah, sure, whatever you say. But in the end, G2 played in group stage, as Eu number 1, vs: Korean 1st seed, China 1st seed, former world champions; they can't beat them, shame on G2.
G2 draw was disgustingly unlucky but like BB said in an interview, it wouldnt matter even if they were the third best team in the world, if they cant beat all the teams (and thus win worlds) he doesnt care if they lose in swiss, quarters or semifinals or even the finals. if it doesnt win worlds, its losing. i mean thats what he said anyway
Stems from the scrim culture where teams ff @ 20
agreed. Scrims or even champions queue should be treated as a real game. Practice makes perfect and even at the highest levels you’ll see complete throws. Even if it is COMPLETELY lost, anything can happen.. Maybe a 1% chance of winning or 0.1% chance. Either way, if they ever ever want to have a chance at winning worlds they need to be hungry. That means no FFing solo queue or scrims or champions queue, no soft inting or not playing hard, real focused practice. Reviewing how teams play, knowing timers down to the second.
The baron situation is a 100% e flash on rumble the moment he walks up I don't know what Mikeyx was doing
He was probably agreeing with dom and trying to finish first. Watch, yike is the one that freaks out when new guy shows up, and they all soloq follow their teammate. They just weren't on the same page and didn't coordinate
They don't need to turn. That's the problem. They skarner is literally coming from base when the baron is at 4k hp. Its Rumble Rell Sylas there - 3 melee champs. Yike should just ult when rell/rumble go in to push them away, finish baron and then assess if the fight is good or just leave. Even if 1 or 2 die as long as they get baron on some and get out it is worth.
brand missed the q stun timing on naut rip
The problem is that there is no competition in EU.
I agree that teams soft give up but the problem is that the rest of the teams are just not that good.
In 2019-2020 in G2's glory days, FNC was a good fucking team that could compete with them and gave them a hard time. Teams were so much more competitive. The quality of teams has dropped significantly since then.
#Bwipo_was_right
they just don't have competition domestically.... I agree
such a werid era, we havent seen a single EU vs NA match for the entire year,(MSI/Worlds).
TL bodied FNC at MSI and the EWC though.
we need a crackhead energy team in eu like fnatic 2020
Just 5 mfa who hate eachother but want to win
I used to hate Dom dude was always negative and I felt like he was talking out his ass half the time. Now that G2 is out of worlds and seeing how weak lec is bro was right all along. Lec needs to change their format to bo3 and bring back all the talent they once had. Bring back Crownie, Perks Nemisis, give Bo an actual cohesive team.
said it before and will say it again, G2s problem is their own region is so bad, they do not get tested in the way they need to be in order to compete with the asian teams.
this is what I was saying for awhile now, region is just so dogshit that G2 cant improve, its like challenger players smurfing in diamond elo for whole year and then they go to a tournament and play against other challengers. Cant improve if you're playing against worse opponents, cuz you just dont get punished for your mistakes. Put G2 in LPL for one year and they could genuinely become the best team in the world
The more I watch that Baron the more I get the feeling that G2 found the only way to lose that play. Probably played in the worst way possible without getting investigated by Riot for wintrading
I love how they say EU > NA when EU has a single team. At least NA is competitive, even if they're all not on the same level as the rest of the world.
Not looking good for C9… really sucks the berserker Korean import project has officially “failed”. Blabber a little washed / stale?
what did TL do more than FNC this worlds? same for 100t
League needs more S-tier tournaments. Even Msi feels like B-tier meanwhile we have like 15 S-tier tournaments in CS and they actually feels like it. And im not even talking about majors or World final. League definitely needs tournaments like Katowice, Cologne, Rio or even something like ESL Proleague. Im sure this will skyrocket league's popularity and the competition between western teams and eastern teams.
Riot wouldn't let this happen since this basically abandons the regular season or would significantly decrease its duration in order to fit in more tournaments. Plus CS has a lot of tournament organizers with their own funding/sponsoring while Riot is basically just themselves. While I do think these could be a great idea to increase regional competitiveness, they would have to make serious changes to their system + find sponsors.
@@carlotan8712 I think riot can easily manage this and i dont think there will be a problem with finding sponsors. Also in my opinion this will help regular seasons. Maybe some teams will put an extra effort to get a spot in these tournaments.
The whole reason teams aren't investing money is because there are no sponsors for league teams any more
@@armi5219 We had all these things back in the mid to late 2010’s, with western teams even winning these non-riot sponsored events and the results were still the same: eastern teams all peaking by the time MSI/Worlds group stage starts while Western teams start packing their bags and heading to the airport.
@@carlotan8712 I just want to point out that it didn't just end up that way by accident. Riot strictly controls the LoL tournament scene because they don't want anyone else getting a piece of the pie, at the expense of the quality of competition. The Swiss stage is a perfect example of them sacrificing real competitiveness for empty hype by giving scrub-tier regions every chance possible to make it to worlds and get 3-0'd or 3-1'd just because it brings in money. CS was far more open from the start, and by the time Valve realized the whole e-sports thing was serious, most of the big tournaments were already established and there would have been massive pushback in trying to centralize everything into a handful of Valve events. As a result the CS scene, despite having way less money in it than LoL for most of its lifetime, is way healthier than LoL because teams aren't just trying to survive until Worlds and then lose, but rather aiming for the next Cologne or IEM or what have you. CS isn't without its problems obviously (it massively centralized in Europe after covid) but Riot seems to genuinely not care about its own competitive scene as long as people are still dropping cash on it.
Other's are living in a reality were the LPL cheating scandals and matchmaking are not allowed to talk about, therefore "There's no war in Ba Sing Se"
People keep complaining about the draw like it actually matters is crazy to me. At this point G2 expectation should be beating Asian teams, not getting out of Swiss stage. If G2 lost to all the Asian team now they probably still lost to them in quarters so why does it even matter? The expectation for G2 should be higher than getting out of the groups, it should be actually beating Asian teams. FLY making out of groups matters to them because they never had this kind of success, G2 has made as far as Finals at MSI so why does it matter if they get out of swiss or not? They still gonna get killed in quarters because they can't beat Asian teams. G2 also lost to NRG last year so what makes you think they won't lost to FLY or TL? It's not like NA got rolled over by Asian teams, they fought pretty hard against them as well, FLY was one team fight away from beating HLE in game 1.
Brother.. G2 did beat WBG and TES though
What are you on?
@@yousufzohair4342 No? You beat Pain, and WBG in BO1, you lost to HLE in BO1. Then you lost to BLG, and T1, in BO3 so what's the different? You beat a LPL #4 seed, is that success for you? Even if you draw TL/FLY and beat them, make in the quarters, you lose to top Asian teams in BO5, you still feel the same.
if you don't commit practice to fully playing out your game from loosing position to the best of your ability.
How are you going to play when you face teams that are on paper stronger than you? Will you fold over and colapse? I think the real reason for it is ego , there is too many superstar players with ego.
If they took ownership of their own failures , then they would be more resistant, but these players push blame on their team mates and in return don't improve on their failures and don't learn how to play from loosing position.
They fold over as soon as a mistake is done. You saw it in all asian games , they have set plays from loosing positions , because they still understand how to play out fights and won't loose out on tempo much.
EU does not have this at all.
We need a blue lock season for LEC
Maybe the hard focus on worlds from a lot of teams also hurt the region. The goal is just to get to worlds and then go from there. Why exhaust yourself contesting G2 when you already qualified?
Partly me thinks that it is a format issue. BO1 is just so easy to gg and just win against another team.
I mean, look historically then LEC has only ever had two good teams any given year!
Is either been FNC + G2 or FNC and SK with a few years where we had a few odd teams but they never really had any success internationally.
I guess rogue and mad had a year each with decent results
When all the eu pros went to na or got held in contract jail the whole region died
yike threw their whole worlds run with that clueless flash in. i agree with dom they shouldve just finished baron and flashed out. But yike is being replaced next year. G2 will try to get inspired, elyoya, or skewmond (EUM star jungler)
No, you can't have Inspired back! He's OUR Rookie Whisperer now. 😂🤞🏻
Jokes aside--sure, the concept of a G2 Inspired team sounds ubeatable on paper, but you have to remember that "superteams" like that tend to fail more often than they succeed. There ends up being too many strong voices trying to be the leader of the events of the game, and no one ends up actually listening or following the calls for plays. It happens over and over and over again. The main reason FlyQuest look so good at Worlds, aside from the fact that Inspired is very talented, is because the team itself is balanced with a rookie botlane and an accommodating mid who are more than happy to follow his lead on what is happening in the game and how to win from there. I just don't see that happening with G2 when BB/Caps are already in that role. 2 is company and 3's a crowd, as they say. *shrug* NA has picked up on the success of this model. We have begun putting even more teams together like this FlyQuest one. I think it's why 100 Thieves beat C9 and why TL has shown so much success this year as well (despite a super tough loss at the end here). As a fan of League in general, it's tough to watch the old guard retire (like Bjerg and Doublelift) but it's also exciting to watch the new guys (Danny, APA, Massu, etc) show up HUNGRY for wins and stage time and then actually deliver on their practice and performance. EU only did this with MAD, but I hope to see more teams like it and I hope MAD sees so much success next year, like TL did this year. 👍🏻
@@lizzb1065 i think it would only work if g2 agree to follow inspired as the igl. otherwise its gonna be a failed super team
G2 literally already went through the failed superteam arc when they got Rekkless, I really really hope they won't just run it back with Inspired for no reason.
@@mrmcawesome9746 Exaaaaactly. I even enjoy this current G2 roster a lot. Yike is really, really good too! I see no reason why they can't just run it back for "3rd time's a charm" if all the players still believe they can win together.
@@lizzb1065 the player said themselves this year was a failure and if 2023 was a fluke this year is the confirmation . If u want to win worlds u have to beat BLG and not gift games losing to baron and they did it twice 1 against BLG 1 against T1 , against HLE it was draft scaling diff . Anyway it's skewmond confirmed
Ive been saying this all year, G2 has no competition in LEC. Even when theyre losing, they end up winning the game because no team can close out vs them
MAD lions didn’t deserve to be here. I would have rather seen BDS get that experience. MAD made it out of Play-Ins just to take 2 losses from other Play-Ins teams in Swiss stage. With harder draws they would have gotten knocked out of Play-Ins just like 100 Paycheck Thieves
Dom the average Asmongold enjoyer
Can anyone start talking about increasing the lec and lcs games during the seasons? They play far less matches every year, naturally they gonna be worse
Make some video bout offseason. 2 out of 5 G2s pieaces are on market looks like
I don't agree with they not knowing how to play the situation they don't watch LCK or LPL? They can't extrapolate information and situations? They don't have coaches that would question those situations? Brother ITS A BARON SITUATION THEY SHOULD KNOW THOSE LIKE THE BACK OF THEIR HANDS ITS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IN THE GAME
been saying this for a while, most LEC teams only aim to win region whereas G2 aims for internationals and as such never put up a fight when their chips are down...tell me why during the splits teams beat G2 but come finals they always hoist the trophy, i'm an avid G2 fan but each international tournament disappointment sets because they lose in games where they had actual chances of winning
One point is the pool of players available. Half of LEC players know there is no talents at all to replace them so they don't need to put any effort into renewing their contract.
The talent exists, the LEC is just closed to trying new blood. That's also true for the LCS.
The problem is also there is no real punishment for losing, you get last and oh well that's it. there is no relegation or reason to try really hard especially if it costs teams more money
That sounds like an excuse to me. It's not so much different in Asia. Look at their lineups man. Most of these people are ancient. They don't bring huge amounts of talented rookies in every year. Instead it's the same players every year beating the shit out if the west with only minor changes.
Another thing that hardcore griefs the region is this idiotic BO1 format. I'm not surprised teams soft ff, one bad earlygame and you are cooked for the week. The amount of actual games the LEC gets is insanely low, not to mention the scrim cancels. I'm not sure in which season it was but I do remember Romain posting how teams like FNC were just skipping scrims against them almost the entire season. So they don't practice against the strongest team, they don't contest them in the actual matches and they soft ff when the game looks bad because it's just a BO1. Half of the LEC plays not to be eliminated from the League itself, they don't even try to upset teams like G2. Meanwhile the other 3 are racing to be the 2nd so they get some money without tiring themselves out preparing against G2. During this, G2 doesn't actually give a shit about them, they drop random games sometimes because they are testing off-off meta crap, as they just win the playoffs anyway. They are actively trying to use the main season to prep for internationals - without any team to compete. If it was just 2-3 teams who were actually trying and weren't the Sad Lions.
Imho the current G2 is insanely strong and they were able to give some of the best teams in the world a very serious run for their money. However, only the W matters in the end.
WAIT that baron 4v5 against BLG THEY HAD KALISTA ? I immediately forgot that series ... why didnt they just finish the baron wtf ????
G2 is 100% a team that needs better practice. Last msi they did well they got to China early to skrim. This year they didn’t bootcamp and their scrims results looks disastrous in comparison
Swiss makes it way harder for western teams to get out.
While there were groups of death, in which even some asian teams choke, there were always at least 2 groups of "life" where top western teams are paired with lower ranking asian teams permanently the entire group stage and with certainty. You just cannot get that in swiss.
i love swiss but i think it's coz i come from csgo and that's the format for majors
Swiss makes it actually super easy for 1 western team to get out compared to a normal bracket. As if you get lucky you don't have to win a single game against LCK /LPL to get out (FLY & NRG) are prime examples.
@@kennystillalive7119 super easy for ONE, but groups gives having two or more western teams in quarters a higher chance.
@@falaflani4831 what do u think about navi winning bro
I'm sorry, what? The entire reason why they changed format to swiss is to give western teams higher chance to get out, this is also why we don't have proper seeding. It's not coincidence why it happened in 2023, in 2022 we were 1 bug away from having 4 LCK and 4 LPL knockout stage, every group having LCK and LPL team made it extremely hard for western teams to get out
Aaargh why has it to be like this. So you just analysed that they could have taken the baron there for free because no smite for blg and then ryze-ult out. And from there on it's a win.
What is the win rate for Na in last 5years vs lck/lpl?
EU continuing to be content with being perceived as "third best" is the exact mentality that is the issue with the LEC
If the renek tanks the sylas e they just win the game. So close actualy, and very sad for G2. They were competitive for once, I think they had a little shot at winning it all. Next year will be bad for the west, maybe in 2-3 years we can do something. If caps is still here.
Its sad how the west only hope to beat eastern teams is G2. And if G2 doesn't get the practice it just makes it extra hard for them. LCS is even more sad cus they don't have a G2. Fly's coach is happy that they took a game of HLE? Who the fuck would be happy taking a game of HLE if u lose in the end? Thats also a shit mentality. TL has the right mentality but they don't have the hands and skill to follow up on it. Kinda ironic how G2 basically has the best of both teams. These teams need to face eachother more often, maybe add a extra tournament just between the LEC and the Americas. So G2 has better practice and Fly/TL can try and be the teams fnc is suppose to be to G2 and give them a challenge
I do agree but I hate the idea that the responsibility for g2 losing is not on g2. Yes the region sucks but you cant pretend to be a great team then lose and the say that it is not your fault.
Imagine if caps went to lck or lpl
Sadly there is no competition for G2 in LEC, i think they lack on competition for G2 players.
I watch LEC every year and i agree, "they've been beaten into submission" is totally that, they're just feeling ok with losing 'to G2 because its normal, like they couldnt stand a chance' ???
We also have a problem about recruiting players, every good player (In ERL lets say), wants to go to G2 if they have the chance
So G2 always have a 'super team' with the best prospects, while others team are left with washed up veterans (and some famous paycheck stealers), mid tier players or rookies that have to learn in one split (of 9 BO1, lol)
I wish we had a region with at least 3/4 teams that can compete internationally, so far lets be honest its barely one, G2
Lec format is just so terrible. Players need to tryhard since the beginning, there is not enough matches, you cannot test picks because your life is always on the line. So all you get is a monotonous ban pick, which is not only boring for the public, but it hurts competitiveness and long term projects. Kc is a great example and vitality superteams as well. They just are regarded as massive failures for not performing well in 9 matches. Ridiculous shit. And now you have 4 titles, which is preposterous. Just makes it so meaningless
I would also like to get some insight in how these orgs function, what is coaching staff actually doing. Because 2019 G2 had macro that was just so unconventional and insane, where is that shit now?
Different team
inbetween they had the biggest most disgusting fraud that has ever been allowed to coach an elite team in nelson. If you look at that guys history every single team he touches gets worse.
the game is also way different from season 9
I've never watched any Worlds besides a bit of 2022 where DRX had a miracle run, so i don't even have any hopes as someone from EU. But i've been paying attention and watching almost all games this Worlds and EU just gives me depression so i stopped caring even for that brief moment i got sucked in.
Not sure why any western fan should even care at this point, it's always just either Korea or China, boring.
They don't have the accountability. Like asian teams treat it like work and it is their work. They show up to win not just not to lose vs stronger teams every game. Unlike Western teams like they expect to lose and wouldn't even try sometimes.
Korea and china have a vast talent pool. Better top end talent too. G2 could win worlds, but they would need luck and some crazy meta change that they were good at.
the main problem is the inability to say u suck. yall EU fans prop up g2 like some kinda messiah asian team killer is why their heads are too big to actually learn the game and improve.
This is the result of socialized medicine
Doesn't G2 actively try to worsen their competition in the LEC? I think I remember them trying to keep players like Perkz from playing with Fnatic