NASCAR Champions & Stars Admit iRacing is Unrealistic
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- NASCAR's own champion hardly touches the game and thinks braking feels "weird", while their most recent road course winner and color commentator both wonder why their cars are almost impossible to control if any sort of slip angle is induced.
iRacing is promoted as the pinnacle of PC racing simulations and the most accurate depiction of race cars on a home computer, with a lengthy testimonials page featuring several pro drivers proclaiming it's usefulness as a training tool, yet when put on the spot, the greatest drivers in North America admit they can hardly complete a lap on it because it's so unrealistic.
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For whatever reason, motorsports media and sim racing outlets seem completely uninterested in talking about this. You would think the industry leader in racing simulators being totally and completely inaccurate at every single track would be sort of a big deal, wouldn't you? 
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What I don't understand is that Nascar and iRacing have done these pro races for about a year now, and it seems like at no point did iRacing ever ask for driver feedback. Cause nothing has changed about how any of the Nascar cars handle on iRacing. It's very odd.
iracing delevopers in a nutshell. If you only knew how incompetent they are.
iRacing doesn't care about feedback, period. Even if you were a pro driver that tried to drop feedback to the community on the forums, you would get instant backlash...that's why many including some of the pro real-life guys not taking a chance on iRacing anymore because there is no feedback system.
Iracing has been bad for a decade. Finally they’re changing things because the critical feedback went more mainstream
I casn PROMISE you there was feedback delivered
This ticked me off about iRacing. I dropped $100+ for tracks and cars but it’s so unrealistic. I get on ACC and it’s like ‘ ok this is it’s I race in real life and ACC is as close as it gets
THANK YOU! Damn man I drove real late models for years and had decent car control
& had people tell me I was whining when I said iracing just didn't feel right. It's hard as hell to catch a slide for me, tried every setting under the sun.
I sill enjoy racing on iracing but the cars are extremely difficult to control and I think it's why it leads to a ton of ipacing.
Woud love to find a sim with more realistic car control
AC is significantly better when catching a slide, but it's road racing only. Unless you force yourself to enjoy European sports car racing, it'll never scratch that itch. I like racing everything so I didn't mind acclimatizing myself to a roster of cars I started out being unfamiliar with.
If this was a 60 dollar game I'd be forgiving.
But for a game that runs up to a couple hundred dollars just for the nascar stuff,
I expect the best thing possible
It is best thing possible
@@kenanbajric1776it’s really not. It’s fun for sure but as someone who races irl it’s pretty unrealistic but not too too unrealistic. Just some things are like ‘ really dude. Yeah ok’ lol
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If I remember correctly they tried to ban Indy Car drivers Scott Dixon, Will Power and Simon Pagenaud for saying iracing is a video game until Roger Penske intervened.
It says ‘game’ on the iracing home page like 6 times though 😂
@@JimmySmithYTThese kids think they are really racing and iRacing is the same as driving a real race car. Tell me you have never been in a race car without telling me you have never been in a race car!
They take Soooooo much offense if you call it a game. Spoiler alert! It’s a video game.
The funny thing (that not a lot of people want to hear about) is, that NR2003's physics were seemingly much closer back then, to how the old '03 Cup cars have handled IRL, than iRacing is today compared to their 2021 counterparts. But god forbid you say anything critical about iRacing. The community will go right after you, while cashing out 113 bucks a year, just to keep their paid content accessible. Quite sad to see the state the Sim Racing world is in today. But that applies to almost every branch nowadays, it's just the way things are apparently. Love your channel and the content you post on here, Austin. Keep it up!
I was hearing from someone who drove the next gen cars on Iracing that yes the cars are harder to drive and you have to turn the Force Feedback up to get a feel for the car.
I still like the old Nascar games Papyrus did. They hold up damn well to this day. Even the first game from 1994.
The first game had Hoosier vs Goodyear (1994 was the last year drivers had a choice) so that alone was attention to detail they added in.
Even nascar challenge on the nes had car setup options.
On the nes and gameboy.
That is insane to me that dinosaur tech could do that
The biggest difference and hardest thing for me in iRacing or just sim racing in general is how easy it is to lock up the brakes compared to a real car. Like chase said in most sims you cant feel the brake or the balance of the car at all and that makes it very easy to just lock up
They fixed that. You can now buy a brake pedals that gives actual feedback. It’s $2000 but it’s also the only option on the market
people seems to forget the core of iracing is based on a 18 years old engine, nr 2003 is as old as live for speed and 2 years older than rfactor1. sure, it has been improved and refined over the years but the underlying technology is archaic if compared to modern sims.
@lol shit They started suing NR2003 modders for this precise reason, they were being outdone by the community they told to mod the hell out of the game. Especially those trying to bring it up to rFactor standards of simulation. iRacing is basically 90% NR2003 code.
I've not even drove a car at race pace before and I know cars don't feel as slippery as Iracing physics
What people with actual on-track experience (of any kind) have been saying for a long time.
This. I tried it out and went to the discord and was like ‘ hey guys what’s up with this’ I race in real life so I know. I immediately get flamed.
studio 397 has the next nascar game. Bring us that + rfactor 3 :D
they are only doing the physics. 704 are the main devs and motorsport games is the publisher.
Oh this has aged terribly lol. I didn't think it would get worse *but it did*
Yea, this didn’t age well.
i mean yea it was kind of expected because a game say its realistic but in all REALITY it finds a way to mess up either on traction or steering speed etc.
and the difference is that a game can be virtual but can potentially do somewhat of a justice on how the vehicles drive like mtm for example its not the best because of windows xp but it was good with the weight and the gear ratios and tracks
But yet IceRicer fanboys will think it's so realistic and THE REAL PROS they don't have the knowledge of how real cars and physics behave. ALSO ALSO the devs are carless and why to bother if the fan at the end of the day will pay for the subscription.
Then what do you say to Tony Kanaan, Max Verstappen, and Daniel Morad. They say they can make the car behave exactly as in real life.
Daniel and Tony are both Rolex 24 winners. Tony is an Indy 500 winner and Indy champion. Max is a 3 time world champion in F1
@Michael-pi8ps Daniel Says also the tires need improvement and they don't behave like real car once you push it to the limit. Also, others real GT3 cars driver says the same things.
@@Michael-pi8psI’ve driven F4 cars irl and it’s not easy to lock up the brakes like in iRacing lol. It’s insane
This was delicious to watch, but in all honesty I'm still quite agnostic about how much weight to put on what real drivers say about sim racing cause it's not their domain. As an example, suppose you took one of the top MX5 drivers from real life and put them in say an Indycar or F1 car, they might not have any clue how to actually drive fast in it. So there's no reason to assume that any real life driver is going to know how to adapt to the sim. Regardless, I still believe iRacing has significant issues with physics.
You are a dumbass.
...and iRacing continues to get worse now that they have introduced rain onto the platform. Rain to go along with the ice-rink style tires...what a goofy combination in 2024!
For sure. My thing is I can’t do F1 races anywhere else. There’s F1 24 leagues which are fun but I’d like more options
Raceroom multiplayer is very good also,not as many people but majority of drivers race clean,i was surprised in iracing with the amount of crashes
They need to fix how oversteer works
It's for sure the best for it's multiplayer offering and competition. you don't even need to search if you want to race. Sure is not the best in class for driving feeling on many cars. That said i have to admit it has become way more forgiving lately. A big issue i think is the original FFB, quite muted. Since i'm using irffb i'm experiencing much less unrecoverable spins though. All in all it's not bad, it's just expensive compared to other sims that offer almost no multiplayer. Basically other sims don't offer such multiplayer service like iracing and let communities and leagues organize all. I am admin at a 700+ member community, and it's a lot of work to keep people involved and fill grids, i swear. PS: i play with all other sims as well. Iracing is offering a spot on racing organization, a service you have to pay, like you pay netflix or your mobile phone subscription.
I can't say anything cuz i don't have iRacing and i don't play it but it's common sense iRacing is virtual NOT REAL LIFE
iRacing prides itself on how realistic it is and has tried to sue drivers for calling it a video game as opposed to a real driving simulator
I hate this about iracing too but I think they do this on purpose to enforce clean driving. I wish it wasn't like, still the best sim imo
With the state of iracing today, this remark did not age well...lol
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That doesn't make any sense. Make it harder to enforce clean racing? I think better tyre grip/FFB would encourage players to race clean.
@@kak8895 I've thought a little more (unrealistic) tire grip would make the game better overall.
Problem is; that would negate the (unwarranted) necessity of being a set up master to being in any form competitive.
And we can't have that!
The brakes in iRacing have always been one of my biggest complaints. I can't recall the last time iRacing made a significant change to them. But oooo look over here Next gen Nascar and Lamborghini GT3!
There is plenty to dislike about iracing, but there isn’t one SINGLE sim I’ve played that feels entirely realistic. It’s up to the driver to figure out how to be fast, just like racing irl.
@lol shit Totally agree, but iracing is more streamlined making it an enticing option.
@lol shit lmao no.
Try driving actually fast in RFactor 2, slip angle of doom, impossible to spin out, pulling on the wheel and countersteering mid corner with 30 degrees slip angle in order to be fast is realistic?
All Sims have this particular issue of feeling great when youre taking it serious and try to drive how you expect race cars to drive, but fall apart once you pick up the pace ans notice the physics exploits you need to master in order to be fast fast.
This is true for Iracing, Rfactor 2, AC, ACC, R3E, AMS1, AMS2 etc.
It all depends on your personal choice of what kind of compromise you want to take on the realism, Do you like to overdrive the car but then have the issue of running into unrealistic amounts if slip angle without losing time, or rather under drive the car in a good multiplayer system but then Die when the tires are introduced to minimal oversteer.
@@TheInsaiyan This is untrue, you used a flawed tires based car and call the entire simulation a failure because of that. That are MANY cars in rFactor 2 with which you absolutely can't do this but since there was an issue with GT3 tires, the whole simulation is crap ? It was just a tire model flaw that have been fixed for months now. And BTW, overturning the wheel doesn't imply a spin 100% of the time, it implies issues for sure but not as much as you think and the spin is not the most common one.
Unless you’re Double J.
I drive with my azz and if I can't feel the car then ill be wrecking.
Funny how the daytona 500 winner this year started on iracing 😂😂
Literally everyone did at this point though. This is like saying random NFL players "got their start" on Madden. Like no shit, we all grew up playing video games.
@AustinOgonoski @AustinOgonoski no no. You and me both know exactly what I mean. Kid never sat in a racecar as a kid and didn't even get into sim racing until his dad got him a setup for his 13th birthday. You of all people should know that. What are you even talking about Austin? No other driver in professional driving across planet earth has done that dude. Yes they all do sim racing now but name another driving in the top of their series where they can't go ant further up that didn't hop in a REAL car until 15 years old and dominated his way to the top through MANY series in a few short years. Obviously you're being biased and have some sort or problem with the kid because what you said made absolutely no sense Austin. Goober.
Also, how tf is playing madden comparable to playing actual football? Wait don't answer that lmao we're talking SIM RACING and REAL RACING.
@@ecomm7048Why does your account have literally no sim racing stuff, instead random playlists like "Db", "Hb", and "Facebook Ads."
@AustinOgonoski because I am a man of many skills. I do marketing (small time local) as a side gig. I write music. And many many other things. I'm a man of many talents. Now let me explain since you think I don't know what I'm talking about, Austin I live in Mooersville North Carolina. Aka Race City USA.less than a mile from DEI and about 20 mins from Charlotte motor speedway. I havent missed a race there in 20 years Lived Lived here my whole life. That was sooooo weird of you to do. And honestly if you lived near me, I'd punch younin the nose the first time I met you. I'm also a residential contractor who specializes in luxury home renovations and painted Joey laganos who house. I've had this youtube channel for over 10 years, yes I have playlist of other things. NO I don't sim race, but son I know racing and raced in real life. You twat. Now let me know you stay near me sometime so we can test that attitude in person. Internet boy. Regardless I made over 300k last year AFTER taxes at 27 years old. A kid like you, isn't putting down a man like me. Espcially when you start trying to pull irrelevant stuff out of a hat when I make you look stupid. Fool.
oh nos real life drivers can't race esport sims its like there two seperate sports with different skills required 🤯
iRacing prides itself on how realistic it is and has tried to sue drivers for calling it a video game as opposed to a real driving simulator
If it is truly realistic, then I don't why real drivers should require a new set of skills to race competitively.
Loooool
As someone who has faced since 1982 and still does... someone whose job entailed trips to the simulator twice a year....iRacing is incredibly realistic and immersive (especially in VR) and is head and shoulders above any of the other plarforms.
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Literally every sim has VR now bud.
@@AustinOgonoskihe didn’t say they didn’t….bud
ACC is just as good, but it’s only GT
@@AustinOgonoski Yea, every have, all sucks. iRacing rocks it.
I have over 1,000 hours in driver simulation. There will NEVER be a 100% accurate depiction of any type of driving on a sim machine. IRacing is the CLOSEST to the real thing there is.
Ok bot with no channel info and not even an avatar.
but I AM a real person with REAL EXPERIENCE.
@@chadrogers934 If you truly did have real experience, one of the first things you'd notice is iRacing's peaky slip angle which results in the car wrecking with even just a tiny bit of slip - which is not realistic. Then you'd wonder why the tires are quickest when cold, and get slower with each passing lap as they generate heat. You'd also be confused why there's no dirty air in a lot of the NASCAR stuff, and why the brakes are so poor even after a couple of laps. And lastly, most guys who race in real life and are tech savvy enough to join iR, don't have an anonymous RUclips account with literally no details; usually they upload a couple vids of them driving something, somewhere.
@@AustinOgonoski to be honest i gave never used iracing.. too busy working
@@AustinOgonoski u play AC dude.
Dude we get it. You dont like iracing. I get it isnt realistic but come on.
Not pointing it out just allows for it to continue this way. I don't have iRacing so I can't comment on it myself but everyone knows it is pushed as being the ultimate sim, and yet lots of people will say that it isn't really the best and could be improved, but for some reason this criticism which could be constructive is brushed under the rug. I know the complaining can be tiring but I think this is something that should be put out there because at the end of the day, I think everyone would like to see it improve.
@@jamesshives5679 they have heard the same complaints and they have not changed it. Give it up.
I think these videos are great and he should keep doing them.
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Ehehehehe nope