I need to come up and be put on your testing machine Brian, After one round of chemo, I am not hitting on all cylinders 😞. Sorry too be behind watching your's and other videos, but out of steam for sure, Bear.
No worries I am 3 weeks behind on watching videos. I need to get caught up on yours. Keep on keeping on as Harold would say. Don’t let the old c get ya down
I had to replace the speedo cable but otherwise it just does it’s thing. A little underpowered for running big stuff but in the 70s when it was probably made 250hp was big power in the medium diesel world
I bought a set of the stage 1 power jets for a VE 2 or 3 months ago. At the time I bought mine, their website said good up to 500hp. Now it’s saying up to 350. I’m still happy with them though. I replaced some 5x.012’s, and feel I still have the same power, but way less smoke. I’m running a S300G also. Your videos and testing of the turbo made me follow what you did.
I told them their 2s should be a stage 1. I have less driving around smoke with these than I did with the stock 6x.009. Probably mainly because I had worked a lot on limiting fueling with the 7x.011 so it didn’t trail smoke accelerating all the time. Have you noticed any fuel mileage increase? I did one tank and then the next I didn’t and my driving has had a lot of power testing thrown in which scews the results too. I have to make a 400mi run tomorrow maybe I can behave long enough to tell a bit. I usually try to do at least 1500miles to get a reliable average.
I feel like I gained a little mpg. I made a lot of changes to my truck recently, so I don’t have years worth of averages like I had. I just converted my truck from a stock everything and auto to a G56, steed speed manifold, S300G, head studs, rebuilt pump, 5x.012’s then swapped to the power jets after a few thousand miles. I just got 16.2 mpg on my last fill up. That’s up probably 1 mpg from what I was getting with the 5x.012’s. My truck is a 4x4 with 3.54 gears and 35” tires. I did install the silver spring in the afc and backed the star wheel out, and machined the afc cover to get full travel of the fuel pin.
The extended cab w350 I drove all the time hauling the pulling truck usually got about 16. The 4wd and the truck catching more under frame air really seemed to hurt mileage as it had 370s and an hx40 I figured it was about 300hp. My current setup drives and hauls way better than it did. The 300g is a lot more drivable with similar power to the 60mm hx40 and egt control. How do you like yours?
I really like it. I kind of wish I could have done a piece at a time to see how each part affected power, but it was one of those things. If my truck is gonna be down, I’m going to do everything I’ve been wanting to do. I may need to play with the afc some more. I get some black smoke when I first accelerate, but, I don’t feel the surge of power until I get to around 15 lbs of boost, then it climbs rapidly to close to 35. I know Ive heard people say it takes fuel to “light” the turbo, but I don’t know if that’s what I’m feeling happen. My EGT’s driving empty on flat ground at 70-75 are just under 800. I guess that’s good? I didn’t have gages before all this.
I have 2 sets of DDP nozzles in the stage III configuration. One set I plopped on some rebuilt Bosch sticks. It was over $400 just for the nozzles. They are running a special that ends on July 1st 2024. $400 on your Bosch cores. I had a spare head I yanked out the injectors cleaned them up and sent them in to get done. $426+ $11 for me to USPS the cores to DDP. I am going to run 18psi from a Carter in tank pump for a '98 Ram. My VE is a THD 'Maxfueled" build. The part number for the Carter pump is here : CQAFP Fuel Pump Module Assembly M2496269: Fuel Pump, Sending Unit and Strainer it drops in like the factory module that has no pump. Haven't figured how to get the fuel gauge to work yet! What did you do to get your VE to handle 30-60lbs of supply pressure?
I am a gambler none of the pumps I have run on the stand except the one off old yellow have anything special to keep the seal in. The pump on my crew cab has never been off and is all stock parts and it regularly runs 18psi at idle and almost 50 at full boost. 20 years ago I had a 24v electric pump setup on old yellow and it would not maintain fuel pressure under load. That is when I put the aeromotive setup on it.
@@jackgreen412 Windshields are regular glass laminated over plastic so they won't throw glass in your face. Windshields will crack without completely breaking. (I know, because I need to get mine replaced)
@@jimurrata6785 I'm aware of that; constant claims for glass can't be good. You'd think by living in the country we'd avoid vandalism, never thought about trees acting that way. I know deer can be destructive .
Brian I noticed that your belt is on it's very last hole. I was wondering your plan in regards to this. {A} purchase a new belt. That will cost money. Thus take away valuable money from the shop. Or {B} go on a diet. Which means the cutting back on Pepsi. Not a good thing. I will stay tuned to see which measure you take.
My preferred solution is to wear the pants that fit without a belt. For some reason last 5 pairs I ordered that are marked the same size as the previous 5 pairs are 2” bigger waist so I have to wear a belt so they don’t fall down. Apparently inches have changed over the last 3 years
It would make it easier to compare but obviously there is more to how much power a nozzle makes than just the flow rating. As a buyer I prefer a realistic horsepower value to flow ratings since you could easily have a nozzle flow a lot but make no power. The 12x.012 nozzles I use on the bench are a fine example the flow fuel like crazy but won’t make a lick of power.
So better atomization resulting in less unburnt fuel is the only reason I can fathom for more power out of less fuel. Am i missing something? Possibly timing of how fast the fuel is injected in the stroke as well?
Yes I believe the altered spray pattern produces more turbulence in the cylinder so the fuel mixes and burns faster so it can better expand and do work before the piston is so far down the bore it’s just making smoke and heat and not more cylinder pressure.
What did you run supply pressure at with the 7 x.11 injectors? Camera angle didn't let us see gauge! When you ran first set at 30 PSI you got a lot more variation in supply pressure, that when you ran them at 60 PSI, so first set testing may have been hampered by supply pressure affect? What are you running for supply pressure in truck? And is it like an 'Air Dog' pump?
I take it you are happy with the PowerJet injectors? Do they appear to use good nozzles? I've got a P-pump 12V and am looking at their PowerJet's or else Dynamite Diesel's. No core charge on the Dynamite's. I first thought stage 1 injectors but it seems I might as well go stage two on either. I may try their upgraded HX35 60/64 turbo. Nothing fancy.
I am pretty sure the powerjet nozzles are made by ddp especially since they are pilot hole and ddp just released they have the patent on that. Their smoke on acceleration is much less than any other nozzle of the same flow rate. Stage 2s can solidly make 500hp with a p-pump but you don't have to turn them up that much if you don't want to. I have tested 60-64 and I don't like them. My 57-65s300g beats it at everything below 2500rpm where I normally drive. The Agressor 62-65 would be a good choice if you want that 500+hp match to what the injectors can do.
@@bcbloc02 Thanks for the info on the injectors but also the turbo. I'd be happy to have something that runs good up to 2,500rpm. So guess I'd better talk to PDD or whoever a bit before I order anything. The pilot hole injectors do sound like the way to go. I just need to see on the turbo and probably do something more like what you have.
@@bcbloc02 After talking to PDD, I guess PDD and DDP collaborated on these injectors with pilot holes. PDD doesn't recommend theirs over Dynomite's. Well, PDD did recommend the Stage 1 Dynomite injectors witha K27 turbo for power up to 2500 rpm. After that I talked to Chris at Engineered Diesel. He seems quite knowledgeable and so I might work with him on a turbo setup. He recommends looking at a S300 turbo plus aftermarket exhaust manifold and insulation on everything. This will be for a '97 F250 re-power. I am in uncharted territory as I've never owned a Ford until now (bought unfinished project truck).
@@boomupengineering 3 piece manifold for sure. In normal driving the k27 will out drive an s300 unless it is an s300g like what I run. Go stage 2 you won’t regret it.
The guy stopped making them after Dionne Warwick had a hit with his songs. He had to change some of the words. Do You Know The Way To Test A Diesel didn't have the right commercial ring.
I think it is called a tech 10 because it is a 10hp. It will barely run an a pump full tilt. A p pump on more than about 200cc will choke it. It needs to be at least a 20hp to do very much with it. Even my 14mm ve will choke it down at high rpm’s.
@@bcbloc02 I that was another question. Guess need to look for a big guy. I want one just to play with. As I start to get more into injections pump and injectors it’s nice to have the equipment. Working on do my own line of injector nozzles. But have a way to test thing would be nice
@@bcbloc02Any chance you know how I could get the most cc out of an A pump with mix matching parts from John Deere to case pump? I have a good case 9.5 mm but herd you could use John Deere delivery valves . Not looking for a lot but want a pump I can use the tractor, but turn it up to pull once or twice a year at a local brush pull. It would be for an international 436 engine, I even have an A pump off of a 466 for parts too.
@@Ihbinder14 the hot setup was the Deere 11mm plungers with a case cam. On the Deere that requires an injection line order swap because the direction of rotation is backwards between the two your ih might turn the same as the case. Unless rules preclude it modifying the engine to use a p pump will give you a lot more performance and be more reliable and those pumps can be had very affordable.
how does the fuel level get into the measurement area to be measured if the fuel from the injectors is getting sprayed into the white plastic thingies and they are at a lower level?
As far as I know every diesel has fuel return from the injectors. Lots of the newer stuff has the returns through the head like 24V cummins stuff. All the Deere and IH stuff of the same vintage as 6b had external fuel returns too.
It's my understanding in big trucks DD15 Detroits, XM15 (?) Cummins etc the fuel becomes part of your cooling system. So a smaller radiator=less weight. My driver side fuel tank on my company 2018(?) Freightliner Cascadia get hot to the touch when I got to refuel it. My engine is a choked down DD15.
I need to come up and be put on your testing machine Brian, After one round of chemo, I am not hitting on all cylinders 😞. Sorry too be behind watching your's and other videos, but out of steam for sure, Bear.
No worries I am 3 weeks behind on watching videos. I need to get caught up on yours. Keep on keeping on as Harold would say. Don’t let the old c get ya down
Nice, I have alot of hours on those Bacharach stands. Also Bosch 515 and 815 with digital metering.
I had to replace the speedo cable but otherwise it just does it’s thing. A little underpowered for running big stuff but in the 70s when it was probably made 250hp was big power in the medium diesel world
Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.
very good video brian..thanks for your time
The truck sounds great.
The injection test stand is pretty interesting.
Thanks for sharing.
Have a great day.
I bought a set of the stage 1 power jets for a VE 2 or 3 months ago. At the time I bought mine, their website said good up to 500hp. Now it’s saying up to 350. I’m still happy with them though. I replaced some 5x.012’s, and feel I still have the same power, but way less smoke. I’m running a S300G also. Your videos and testing of the turbo made me follow what you did.
I told them their 2s should be a stage 1. I have less driving around smoke with these than I did with the stock 6x.009. Probably mainly because I had worked a lot on limiting fueling with the 7x.011 so it didn’t trail smoke accelerating all the time. Have you noticed any fuel mileage increase? I did one tank and then the next I didn’t and my driving has had a lot of power testing thrown in which scews the results too. I have to make a 400mi run tomorrow maybe I can behave long enough to tell a bit. I usually try to do at least 1500miles to get a reliable average.
I feel like I gained a little mpg. I made a lot of changes to my truck recently, so I don’t have years worth of averages like I had. I just converted my truck from a stock everything and auto to a G56, steed speed manifold, S300G, head studs, rebuilt pump, 5x.012’s then swapped to the power jets after a few thousand miles. I just got 16.2 mpg on my last fill up. That’s up probably 1 mpg from what I was getting with the 5x.012’s. My truck is a 4x4 with 3.54 gears and 35” tires. I did install the silver spring in the afc and backed the star wheel out, and machined the afc cover to get full travel of the fuel pin.
The extended cab w350 I drove all the time hauling the pulling truck usually got about 16. The 4wd and the truck catching more under frame air really seemed to hurt mileage as it had 370s and an hx40 I figured it was about 300hp. My current setup drives and hauls way better than it did. The 300g is a lot more drivable with similar power to the 60mm hx40 and egt control. How do you like yours?
I really like it. I kind of wish I could have done a piece at a time to see how each part affected power, but it was one of those things. If my truck is gonna be down, I’m going to do everything I’ve been wanting to do. I may need to play with the afc some more. I get some black smoke when I first accelerate, but, I don’t feel the surge of power until I get to around 15 lbs of boost, then it climbs rapidly to close to 35. I know Ive heard people say it takes fuel to “light” the turbo, but I don’t know if that’s what I’m feeling happen. My EGT’s driving empty on flat ground at 70-75 are just under 800. I guess that’s good? I didn’t have gages before all this.
Do you have a stock fuel pin or an aftermarket?
You can really see the difference in the aftermarket injectors.
Awesome video Brian! Thank you for the information, love this ve performance
Cool test rig Brian ! ----Doozer
Interesting!
Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
I have 2 sets of DDP nozzles in the stage III configuration. One set I plopped on some rebuilt Bosch sticks. It was over $400 just for the nozzles. They are running a special that ends on July 1st 2024. $400 on your Bosch cores. I had a spare head I yanked out the injectors cleaned them up and sent them in to get done. $426+ $11 for me to USPS the cores to DDP. I am going to run 18psi from a Carter in tank pump for a '98 Ram. My VE is a THD 'Maxfueled" build. The part number for the Carter pump is here : CQAFP Fuel Pump Module Assembly M2496269: Fuel Pump, Sending Unit and Strainer it drops in like the factory module that has no pump. Haven't figured how to get the fuel gauge to work yet! What did you do to get your VE to handle 30-60lbs of supply pressure?
I am a gambler none of the pumps I have run on the stand except the one off old yellow have anything special to keep the seal in. The pump on my crew cab has never been off and is all stock parts and it regularly runs 18psi at idle and almost 50 at full boost. 20 years ago I had a 24v electric pump setup on old yellow and it would not maintain fuel pressure under load. That is when I put the aeromotive setup on it.
Just noticed you blew out your passenger side vent window. Did the same when I locked my keys in an old Chevelle. Wasn't that pricey. (Back then.)
A friend did that once in a Chevy celebrity, the fixed rear quarter window was worth more than the car...
It's just the tint film.
Side windows are tempered. It would have blown into a thousand little shards if it was so much as chipped.
@@jimurrata6785 That is good! I've had 2 windshields broken this year by hickory nuts. Not parking there anymore!
@@jackgreen412 Windshields are regular glass laminated over plastic so they won't throw glass in your face.
Windshields will crack without completely breaking. (I know, because I need to get mine replaced)
@@jimurrata6785 I'm aware of that; constant claims for glass can't be good. You'd think by living in the country we'd avoid vandalism, never thought about trees acting that way. I know deer can be destructive .
Brian I noticed that your belt is on it's very last hole. I was wondering your plan in regards to this. {A} purchase a new belt. That will cost money. Thus take away valuable money from the shop. Or {B} go on a diet. Which means the cutting back on Pepsi. Not a good thing. I will stay tuned to see which measure you take.
My preferred solution is to wear the pants that fit without a belt. For some reason last 5 pairs I ordered that are marked the same size as the previous 5 pairs are 2” bigger waist so I have to wear a belt so they don’t fall down. Apparently inches have changed over the last 3 years
It’s 2023, Inches now identify as 7/8’s of an inch.
@@bcbloc02It's called "American sizing" 😂
How would it be if everyone rated their nozzles flow with an industry standard test. Great vid.
It would make it easier to compare but obviously there is more to how much power a nozzle makes than just the flow rating. As a buyer I prefer a realistic horsepower value to flow ratings since you could easily have a nozzle flow a lot but make no power. The 12x.012 nozzles I use on the bench are a fine example the flow fuel like crazy but won’t make a lick of power.
Great video.
So better atomization resulting in less unburnt fuel is the only reason I can fathom for more power out of less fuel. Am i missing something? Possibly timing of how fast the fuel is injected in the stroke as well?
Yes I believe the altered spray pattern produces more turbulence in the cylinder so the fuel mixes and burns faster so it can better expand and do work before the piston is so far down the bore it’s just making smoke and heat and not more cylinder pressure.
👍👍 what kind of supply pressure to the VE??... i filled the crankcase with fuel one time..but anyway.. thanks for the video... have a good week 👊
I run 20-50psi on the truck depending on boost level. I ran 30 to 60 on the stand with only variance in fuel delivery above 2500rpm
Everytime i eee one of these videos, i regret getting rid of my old first gen
What did you run supply pressure at with the 7 x.11 injectors? Camera angle didn't let us see gauge! When you ran first set at 30 PSI you got a lot more variation in supply pressure, that when you ran them at 60 PSI, so first set testing may have been hampered by supply pressure affect? What are you running for supply pressure in truck? And is it like an 'Air Dog' pump?
I run a mechanical piston pump on the truck that is boost referenced from 20 to 50psi
A WEENER and Hi Sheba!
I take it you are happy with the PowerJet injectors? Do they appear to use good nozzles? I've got a P-pump 12V and am looking at their PowerJet's or else Dynamite Diesel's. No core charge on the Dynamite's. I first thought stage 1 injectors but it seems I might as well go stage two on either. I may try their upgraded HX35 60/64 turbo. Nothing fancy.
I am pretty sure the powerjet nozzles are made by ddp especially since they are pilot hole and ddp just released they have the patent on that. Their smoke on acceleration is much less than any other nozzle of the same flow rate. Stage 2s can solidly make 500hp with a p-pump but you don't have to turn them up that much if you don't want to. I have tested 60-64 and I don't like them. My 57-65s300g beats it at everything below 2500rpm where I normally drive. The Agressor 62-65 would be a good choice if you want that 500+hp match to what the injectors can do.
@@bcbloc02 Thanks for the info on the injectors but also the turbo. I'd be happy to have something that runs good up to 2,500rpm. So guess I'd better talk to PDD or whoever a bit before I order anything. The pilot hole injectors do sound like the way to go. I just need to see on the turbo and probably do something more like what you have.
@@bcbloc02 After talking to PDD, I guess PDD and DDP collaborated on these injectors with pilot holes. PDD doesn't recommend theirs over Dynomite's. Well, PDD did recommend the Stage 1 Dynomite injectors witha K27 turbo for power up to 2500 rpm. After that I talked to Chris at Engineered Diesel. He seems quite knowledgeable and so I might work with him on a turbo setup. He recommends looking at a S300 turbo plus aftermarket exhaust manifold and insulation on everything. This will be for a '97 F250 re-power. I am in uncharted territory as I've never owned a Ford until now (bought unfinished project truck).
@@boomupengineering 3 piece manifold for sure. In normal driving the k27 will out drive an s300 unless it is an s300g like what I run. Go stage 2 you won’t regret it.
Is that a SP 710 stand? I still have several adapters for bacharach stands.
I think most of the Bacharach stands use the same rail mount. I might be interested in what adapters you have if you want to get rid of them.
what model of a bench do you have? i looking for something like that for testing
The guy stopped making them after Dionne Warwick had a hit with his songs. He had to change some of the words. Do You Know The Way To Test A Diesel didn't have the right commercial ring.
I think it is called a tech 10 because it is a 10hp. It will barely run an a pump full tilt. A p pump on more than about 200cc will choke it. It needs to be at least a 20hp to do very much with it. Even my 14mm ve will choke it down at high rpm’s.
@@bcbloc02 I that was another question. Guess need to look for a big guy. I want one just to play with. As I start to get more into injections pump and injectors it’s nice to have the equipment. Working on do my own line of injector nozzles. But have a way to test thing would be nice
@@bcbloc02Any chance you know how I could get the most cc out of an A pump with mix matching parts from John Deere to case pump? I have a good case 9.5 mm but herd you could use John Deere delivery valves . Not looking for a lot but want a pump I can use the tractor, but turn it up to pull once or twice a year at a local brush pull. It would be for an international 436 engine, I even have an A pump off of a 466 for parts too.
@@Ihbinder14 the hot setup was the Deere 11mm plungers with a case cam. On the Deere that requires an injection line order swap because the direction of rotation is backwards between the two your ih might turn the same as the case. Unless rules preclude it modifying the engine to use a p pump will give you a lot more performance and be more reliable and those pumps can be had very affordable.
how does the fuel level get into the measurement area to be measured if the fuel from the injectors is getting sprayed into the white plastic thingies and they are at a lower level?
It is a sealed container but the graduals are open on the top so it is forced up the hose and into the measuring gradual by injection pressure.
why do 6bt injectors have return lines when other diesels dont ?
As far as I know every diesel has fuel return from the injectors. Lots of the newer stuff has the returns through the head like 24V cummins stuff. All the Deere and IH stuff of the same vintage as 6b had external fuel returns too.
It's my understanding in big trucks DD15 Detroits, XM15 (?) Cummins etc the fuel becomes part of your cooling system. So a smaller radiator=less weight. My driver side fuel tank on my company 2018(?) Freightliner Cascadia get hot to the touch when I got to refuel it. My engine is a choked down DD15.
Hello from hot TEXAS!
Nobody cares about Tejus. Third world s hole country.
I believe it’s customary to write first here? Thanks Brian.
So near and yet so far …
Sure why not