Fossil family grouping is like trying to figure out the exact position of every puzzle piece when 70% of the pieces are missing. Lots of floating pieces whose color palette doesn't help
IT'S TIME TO STOP! Please stop torturing yourself with basal dinosaur phylogeny! It can *never* be resolved! Get on with your life and find a girlfriend or something!
Taxonomy is only good for knowing the rough chronology of creature appearance on Earth, and knowing what creatures lived around the same time (as well as the given geographical areas of inhabitation) you can better understand the possible environmental relationships between said creatures (whether directly or indirectly), and thus better understand Earth at the respective time periods
Simply put: the Dinosaur family tree seems to be more complicated than previously assumed - because of recent findings, we are no longer quite certain about which Dinosaurs are related. Even if you decide in different ways why some of them should be more closely related, some newer findings still make things less clear than previously. To be continued... really.
I am making a presentation about this subject, read 85% of the papers you're referring too and I was getting so confused. This is gold, thank you so much!!!
I met Paul Barrett at an event at the RVC in London a few weeks ago, and it was really interesting to hear first hand where these new ideas about dinosaur phylogeny came from. He was actually pretty convincing.
YAY! New episode of one of my favorite shows on RUclips! I guess this is what I get for using literally no other social media than RUclips. Won't complain, though.
The like/dislike ratio of these videos speaks for itself. Guys you make a wonderful job at offering contrasted knowledge in a very easy to swallow pill. Anyone can have access to these as long as they speak English and regardless of their previous education, together with some really funny dry humour make for WONDERFUL videos everyone who is interested in the matter should watch. Thank you for these years of knowledge and fun.
Well, this was certainly an interesting episode. It's amazing how an entire phylogeny can be completely flipped on its head by the discovery of a single genus. Can't wait for the _Velociraptor_ episode! :)
I recently got hooked to YDAW and I'm loving it!! I was wondering if you could look into Masiakasaurus and if you even had gotten it as a request before?
It would be Ornithoscelida. Since no filaments have been observed in Sauropods but there have been filaments/feathers found in some Theropods and some Ornithischians (though its long been debated whether these are homologous to the feathers seen in Theropods).
Question: Wikipedia puts Chilesaurus at 145 MYA, right at the end of the Jurassic. But if that's the case, how could it possibly be a basal ornithischian? The stegosaurus for example were already well established twenty million years prior.
So basically ornithoscelida lives, sauropodomorphs are a separate group and herrerasaurus' are basal dinosaurs, not what I was expecting but it's fine, I guess
I really love these vids.....can we keep hoping for episodes on mosasaurs, plesiosaurs and other critters? (I know they're not "dinosaurs" but they're still fascinating)
How much merit would you say _Chilesaurus_ being the remnants of a basal maniraptoran clade has? Because I checked many of the skeletal features in _Chilesaurus_ against maniraptors and I saw many similarities...
This left my head spinning. I love my dinosaur like the next guy, but the technical talk about the issues with classification went mostly over my head. The more struggled to understand, the more interesting the discussion was. The sad thing is that this was probably a simplified overview, but to many big words, letters and use of the number one and zero. Lol. My mind processes the images and want something more concrete, like instead of "zero", say the trait. I would love a much more in depth analysis video of this type, I am also curious if or why the same methods for classifying animals today can be used. We are bound to have gaps in that data set as well.
I'm studying taxonomics at degree level and this is completely underatandable. But consider what I did for my early years; I still had to abide by the traditional ornithischia/saurischia layout, which didn't offer a further insight into the basis of my study. Had it not been for this video, I would not feel confident in confronting any previous consensus about this. Seems taxonomy needs to be taught at a somewhat greater scale. I am also starting a paleobiology course which looks into cladistic analysis further.
Lots of nuance here, took a while to wrap my head around it, but I wonder whether filamentous "protofuzz" could be at the basal end of archosauria, instead of having to evolve twice for pterosauria/pterosauroidi as well as ortnithoscelida? I'd appreciate your answer if you ever come across this comment, thanks
idk where elso to ask to im just gonna go on here and ask on a palentology video. im a rising sophmore in college majoring in biology and anthropology but my passion lies in excavation work and this type of thing like rearangement of cladistics and construction of phylogenetic trees. my university doesnt offer that many opportunities that let me experience field work and learn the modern conception of, for example, the dinosaur phylogeny aside from like two classes in palentology so like what would be ways that i could learn and somehow get into a carrer in this field either in college, out of college or even after college. thanks!
Taxonomy sure seems fine with stealing away colloquial terms like "bug" (meaning a terrestrial arthropod) and redefining it as a taxonomic term, then informing people they're wrong when they're using a term that's been around for ages.
The problem is that Saurischia is already in use and the new definition isn't very stable as was shown in the video. So it would make more sense to have Ornithoscelida and Sauropodomorpha as the basis of Dinosauria, with Herrerasaurs being Dinosauromorphs.
How would these methods change klades for animals of today? Or is this question not helpful ar all? Or can modern animal not be used as test/proof for validity of the methods?
Fossil family grouping is like trying to figure out the exact position of every puzzle piece when 70% of the pieces are missing. Lots of floating pieces whose color palette doesn't help
Please don’t stop making these! We love them!
They're not stopping. It's moving. lol. It's probably already moved.
IT'S TIME TO STOP!
Please stop torturing yourself with basal dinosaur phylogeny! It can *never* be resolved! Get on with your life and find a girlfriend or something!
YES I was worried YDAW was starting to become a fossil of it’s own!
He made a new channel, search YDAW
Taxonomy is only good for knowing the rough chronology of creature appearance on Earth, and knowing what creatures lived around the same time (as well as the given geographical areas of inhabitation) you can better understand the possible environmental relationships between said creatures (whether directly or indirectly), and thus better understand Earth at the respective time periods
I love Dinos. Didn't understand a god damn word of this.
RIGHT! so glad to see YDAW back, but this was my least fav episode.
Simply put: the Dinosaur family tree seems to be more complicated than previously assumed - because of recent findings, we are no longer quite certain about which Dinosaurs are related. Even if you decide in different ways why some of them should be more closely related, some newer findings still make things less clear than previously.
To be continued... really.
Yeah lol, I'm a vertebrate palaeontology student and even I had to rewind a couple times to make sure I understood properly.
@@predabot__6778 instead of solving the puzzle scientists should find out what dinosaurs really looked like.
After ten years they finally upload. We've been blessed today boys and girls
I am making a presentation about this subject, read 85% of the papers you're referring too and I was getting so confused. This is gold, thank you so much!!!
YES ! Finally ! Keep it up, I love this series so much !
Discord server in description
I met Paul Barrett at an event at the RVC in London a few weeks ago, and it was really interesting to hear first hand where these new ideas about dinosaur phylogeny came from. He was actually pretty convincing.
YAY! New episode of one of my favorite shows on RUclips!
I guess this is what I get for using literally no other social media than RUclips. Won't complain, though.
NO SHIT!!!!! best surprise of the day i thought u were dead man!
No but close. He has a kid.
I understood like.. 10% of what you were talking about here. D: I'm going to have to watch this a few more times with a dictionary in hand.
The like/dislike ratio of these videos speaks for itself. Guys you make a wonderful job at offering contrasted knowledge in a very easy to swallow pill. Anyone can have access to these as long as they speak English and regardless of their previous education, together with some really funny dry humour make for WONDERFUL videos everyone who is interested in the matter should watch. Thank you for these years of knowledge and fun.
The dislikes are just people with shaky hands who clicked the wrong button by mistake.
This video provided far too much info for my little brain to handle.
And I loved it.
Always excited to see a new YDAW
Well, this was certainly an interesting episode. It's amazing how an entire phylogeny can be completely flipped on its head by the discovery of a single genus.
Can't wait for the _Velociraptor_ episode! :)
Really want to see the Giganautosaurus! Thought all hope had been lost. Good to see you back! ☺️
I'm gonna use "PREPARE TO BE RESOLVED" now.
I was just wondering about this series few days ago, glad to see you back!
(note: as a rule I'm very parsimonious with my exclamation marks)
welcome back!!! your show has been a HUUUUGE help in my work
A lot of the bracketing and relations stuff goes over my head, but that just means I'll have to watch this more than once.
The animation on this is beautiful and I think I will have to watch it at least ten times before I really get it.
Yay! YDAW is back!
So glad you're back! And also happy this is dumbed down a bit more so I understand it better than previous parts ;-)
Where are these videos gone???????
Haha, good ole Saltopus!
I'm so glad to see a new ydaw! These are some of my absolute favorite videos on RUclips.
I recently got hooked to YDAW and I'm loving it!! I was wondering if you could look into Masiakasaurus and if you even had gotten it as a request before?
Oh thank goodness this is continuing
It's been too long since I got to watch a new one of these. Thanks for keeping on with this!
YOURE BACK YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
We LOVE this show, never stop making these videos!
THHAAAANK YOU SO BLIPPING MUCH, FOR THIS AMAZING VIDEO!
Subbed. My daughter of 3 loves to watch your channel.
Always a good day when ydaw gets a new episode 😍
This video is about dinosaurs! I like it.
Truly love your videos!!!
I missed you guys!
I love this series with all my heart
At 10:24, you say, "all the fluff is now in one subgroup". What is that subgroup?
Also, welcome back!
It would be Ornithoscelida. Since no filaments have been observed in Sauropods but there have been filaments/feathers found in some Theropods and some Ornithischians (though its long been debated whether these are homologous to the feathers seen in Theropods).
Subscribed! Keep up the good work.
It's been 84 years....
But seriously a new channel! Whoo hoo!
Also taxonomy is weird. Dinosaurs are weird.
I thought you guys were gone forever!!! LOve ya STEVE!!!!
Oh what a great time to be a dinosaur fanatic.
Thank you for the valuevable content!!!
Please make a video about Scansoriopterygidae
Question: Wikipedia puts Chilesaurus at 145 MYA, right at the end of the Jurassic. But if that's the case, how could it possibly be a basal ornithischian? The stegosaurus for example were already well established twenty million years prior.
descendent of a basal Ornithischian. Similar to how we have egg laying Monotremes today that have traits ancestral to all mammals but have been lost.
So basically ornithoscelida lives, sauropodomorphs are a separate group and herrerasaurus' are basal dinosaurs, not what I was expecting but it's fine, I guess
FINALLY!!!, Also you should update the Spinosaurus Video.
Why?
@@eltio8288 Spino's got a new fancy tail! also knucklewalking has been pretty much #cancelled
SECOND PART finally released??!! NANI the fuck!!!???
Sorry, it just surprissed me a lot.
I really love these vids.....can we keep hoping for episodes on mosasaurs, plesiosaurs and other critters? (I know they're not "dinosaurs" but they're still fascinating)
How much merit would you say _Chilesaurus_ being the remnants of a basal maniraptoran clade has? Because I checked many of the skeletal features in _Chilesaurus_ against maniraptors and I saw many similarities...
ITS BACK!!!!
Yay, it's finally up!!
can we get a YDAW episode for corythosaurus(or kaprosuchus)
Synapisode? That’s a clever word mash. It’s gotta good ring to it. 👍
This left my head spinning. I love my dinosaur like the next guy, but the technical talk about the issues with classification went mostly over my head. The more struggled to understand, the more interesting the discussion was. The sad thing is that this was probably a simplified overview, but to many big words, letters and use of the number one and zero. Lol. My mind processes the images and want something more concrete, like instead of "zero", say the trait. I would love a much more in depth analysis video of this type, I am also curious if or why the same methods for classifying animals today can be used. We are bound to have gaps in that data set as well.
amazing animations
I love this series
Need more YDAW
Can you please do Concavenator I would really love to know more about this dinosaur.
I'm studying taxonomics at degree level and this is completely underatandable. But consider what I did for my early years; I still had to abide by the traditional ornithischia/saurischia layout, which didn't offer a further insight into the basis of my study. Had it not been for this video, I would not feel confident in confronting any previous consensus about this. Seems taxonomy needs to be taught at a somewhat greater scale. I am also starting a paleobiology course which looks into cladistic analysis further.
Was this the last episode thisguy ever did? Does someone know what is he up to?
He has a channel called “your dinosaurs are wrong” now
This is my nerdiest guilty pleasure
Can you do an episode on Dakotaraptor?
Nicely done
Where is this song from in the background it’s strait fire
Will you do an episode on herrerasaurus or austroraptor?
I know it's been a couple years- but Baryonyx?
I feel like I’ve had a stroke then went to a biology lecture
Sounded like you have found a Platypus of dinos and now can't choose which way it is related to others. It has too many features .
Please do iguanodon!!!
10:45 has this been done to mammals recently?
Yes, it's always being done.
But mammalian cladistics are much better known due to us having dna for most of major groups.
What if Herrerasauruses scar was an injury?
Omg a ydaw episode ahhhhhhhhhhh
You guys should do protoceratops
Chilleasaur is a blessed boi!
Can you do pachyrhinosaurus
AAAA THEY UPLOADes
guyss we need new videos PLZ
And about Compsognathus
Btw, how about leaellynasaura for the next your dinosaurs are wrong video? :)
I really wish this was some type of show on National Geographic Or Nat Geo kids
Yea -Like the Archeopteryx/cladistics-episode, I'm going to have to watch this one a couple of times. Slowed down.
So is herrasourus still a dinosaurs.
Lots of nuance here, took a while to wrap my head around it, but I wonder whether filamentous "protofuzz" could be at the basal end of archosauria, instead of having to evolve twice for pterosauria/pterosauroidi as well as ortnithoscelida? I'd appreciate your answer if you ever come across this comment, thanks
Ahhhh good old phylogeny.
I was really wondering about the sauropod and theropod relationship, it's weird.
idk where elso to ask to im just gonna go on here and ask on a palentology video. im a rising sophmore in college majoring in biology and anthropology but my passion lies in excavation work and this type of thing like rearangement of cladistics and construction of phylogenetic trees. my university doesnt offer that many opportunities that let me experience field work and learn the modern conception of, for example, the dinosaur phylogeny aside from like two classes in palentology so like what would be ways that i could learn and somehow get into a carrer in this field either in college, out of college or even after college. thanks!
Can you please do acrocanthasaurus?? Or diabloceratops
Gotta go out and find a couple of Triassic fossils. Just give me two days.
Taxonomy sure seems fine with stealing away colloquial terms like "bug" (meaning a terrestrial arthropod) and redefining it as a taxonomic term, then informing people they're wrong when they're using a term that's been around for ages.
The problem is that Saurischia is already in use and the new definition isn't very stable as was shown in the video. So it would make more sense to have Ornithoscelida and Sauropodomorpha as the basis of Dinosauria, with Herrerasaurs being Dinosauromorphs.
can you do zhuchengtyrannus?
[pls]
YES YDAW!!!!
The way you talk and the animation makes the video look like a Ted Ed video
How would these methods change klades for animals of today? Or is this question not helpful ar all? Or can modern animal not be used as test/proof for validity of the methods?
COVER AMARGASAURUS PLEASE!
Where is the velociraptor your dinosaurs are wrong
I like this.
I have a quiestion a bout tarbosaurus bataar did he or she have the theeth like the rex in jp
Or lips?????
Can you do YDAW #24 Ornitholestes?