A meta game is at its peak when there's a lot of diversity and balance. A meta game is at its worst when your force to used or have a certain type of weapon/character in your team if you want to be successful. I hope splatoon 3 can have a diverse meta game and not a unbalanced meta.
i dont think this is always true. I think the big issue with the current meta isnt that there is only one way to play, but that the one way to play is overly simple and unfun. A perfectly balanced multiplayer game is a myth when you also want diversity
@@timcrnkovich4326 I'm a bit curious about how you came to the conclusion in your last sentence. Doesn't balancing mean making as many weapons/load-outs as equally viable as possible?
@@ThreeBeeHDb I think what he means is that certain weapons must have clear disadvantages/ advantages in order for it to be fun. Otherwise it's just the same weapon with a different skin. That or maybe he's criticizing the modern usages of the term "diversity" as it relates to political and social ideas.
Its completely doable. Pirates have achieved every single version of this game (and every other switch game) and thanks to the work of some amazing modders a completely vanilla switch can host its own match without connecting to Nintendo's servers just by changing your switch's dns setting. All we need now is for someone to organise a tournament!
I actually feel kinda sentimental. The 3.0 era was when I first joined the Splatoon community, it's nice to know that I joined at the peak of the game.
@@anjavinding5412 Why bother using the Aerospray PG when you can use the Kensa .52 gal? Kensa .52 gal paints better meaning it gets booyah bombs more than the weapon that was meant to paint a lot, that's not a joke, and on top of that it has splash wall and an absurdly fast kill time. That's just how broken it is.
@@PetikG why bother using the [insert weapon here] when you can use the Kensa .52 gal? Kensa .52 gal paints better meaning it gets booyah bombs more than the weapon that was meant to paint a lot, that's not a joke, and on top of that it has splash wall and an absurdly fast kill time. That's just how broken it is.
Honestly with how both of Splatoon 2's new weapon classes had top tier representation in this meta, and how it was generally just... good to play in, I'd say this was perhaps the most iconic era of the game.
Also, vids like this make me even more excited for splatoon 3. With so many more people in the competitive space now making content, imagine how comprehensive future look-backs on splatoon 3 patches would be!
I kinda stopped paying attention to the comp scene a bit around this time, despite still playing the game a ton, so I never got to realize that there was a golden age even happening at the time. God I wish I played more competitively back then.
THIS is where I spent the last half of my experience of Splatoon 2 when I dropped out due to NSO. I loved it, and I wish I bit the bullet and paid for NSO so I could of been there for the game to grow instead of coming back to MPU Kensa hell
wow i got this game pretty late and didn’t know a lot of these weapons cool gimmicks weren’t even in the game at first until patch 3.2, that really is probably the best patch of the game i wish i played during that time, the diversity looks so refreshing. seeing so many teams without armor looks surreal
It was around this time that I picked up Splatoon up for the first time in my life. Not just Splatoon 2, but either game in general. I picked it up after after a friend convinced me with how many unique weapons there are. Seeing this, it really paints a picture at what a rough turn the meta has taken and how boring it would appear to newcomers with the current meta because of how seemingly one note it is. High hopes for Splatoon 3 to get things back on track.
Good shit. Unrelated I watched some of that three hour FLC video and highkey he really said Splat one was bad because you could 1 v 4 with invincibility, Splat 2 is bad because you can't and hopefully 3 won't be bad lmao
Splat 1 was good bc it gave the player more playmaking power. Not to mention you won't get invincibility specials all the time bc of QR meta. Aka you die a lot in splat 1. Splat 2 is bad bc of poor balance decisions. K 52, Armor and missiles spam. It screws over individual playmaking power a lot. That is why I hope splat 3 has a lot of individual playmaking power, maybe a little team play. But I want it to be the more of the "skilled players wins," not the "better team players win from ability spam."
4:00 I hope they do something similar with backlines in splat 3 since we have a bow now. For example: splatling counters bow Bow counters charger and charger counters splatling.
Thank you for making these history videos. As someone who started playing right when the kensa weapons were getting added I missed out on a lot of this and it's super interesting to see what the game was like back then.
It's funny how back in 4.0 I was a bit negative about the game even though in hindsight it was my favorite version. I shouldn't miss a meta where Sting Ray was more... Sting Ray but at least then the weapons that destroyed my precious Blasters were actually fun to fight.
im not sure if the new mic is too quiet or if im just too used to the old mic being too loud, but it’s nice to hear one of ur vids with better audio quslity!
I'd argue, dispite this being way before Bamboo became full on meta, Bamboo was a great counterpick for dealing with Brellas and Blasters. Dualies gave some problems, but the damage buff from 80 to 85 made it slightly better in some situations, such as breaking brella shields and made it a even better weapon for pairing up, and could paint well enough to run circles around the custom blasters. Inkjets were still an issue, but Bamboo's output was enough pressure to hold them at bay if you knew the weapon. I'm happy to say I'm still a dedicated Bamboo User : ) 3.0 was durring the time when I was in a team, and while we weren't anything crazy, it was fun. I'm glad I was in comp durring those days, and I hope 3 gives other classes the limelight they deserve again ^-^
Chargers were just playing duck hunt but the ducks also had a gun for the majority of this meta. Everything else definitely had its best balancing though
most of the time i spent playing splatoon 2 was around this era and it was really fun. i was still shit at the game for a good part of it but even so i still got to have a lot of fun. i really miss the good old days of the ballpoint splatling lmao
Your videos are usually around 8 minutes, which is the same amount of time it usually takes for me to finish my food. So whenever I’m looking for some thing to watch while eating, I’m always happy to see a notification from you. Thank you for making content, keep up the good work!
Rewatching this series is giving me hope for splatoon 3. It's reminding me that 1 and 2 were also janky at launch, and that 3 is as good as it is right now is an achievement. Sure, there's room for improvement, and nintendo will certainly be improving it for a long time to come, just as they did with this game
I remember I first got into Splatoon 2 a month before this era and most of my play time consisted of this period, it would also be during this era that I would enter the only Splatoon 2 tournament I would ever enter, one that sadly fell apart partway through and never got to conclude, but the team I was on happened to be the one that got the farthest along in terms of matches before the whole thing died, so we could be considered the winners in an unofficial sense as it also turned out we seemed to be the strongest of the teams from what was able to be seen, though I still wished the tournament could have played out to conclusion to know for sure. All in all, a time period of good memories.
Glad that this series of videos exists bc I dropped off Splatoon 2 hard around 4.0 due to losing my save data from having to send my Switch in for warranty and not having a way to back up the data. Thankfully I have a second Switch now so that will never be a problem for me again.
1:35 Range Blaster didn't get that 6% blast radius nerf actually. It was only to the regular blaster, so range blaster actually has a bigger blast radius than regular blaster, as odd as it seems
what surprises me about some of these changes is nintendo going out of their way to make brand new assets specifically for these changes, like the jr. having it's own unique ink tank model, the h3 having a new hit sound, the unique "shockwave" the stinger was given previously, etc. they could've just used the charger's hit sound for the h3, or have the increased jr. ink tank be solely a numerical increase, but it's nice to see they put some extra work into those changes.
I love these videos it makes me think about splat 3 meta and how comp will be I hope we get to see different weapon being used in solo q in 3,because in 2 right now it just shooters, no blaster, roller ,and brella (I really miss when my friends used this weapon with me.)😟
Not a topic in this video, but a question: do you think that the meta would have been considerably different outside of Japan if the CJet saw use there? I'm a vCharger main, and I always enjoyed having range, and the ray, but HATED being shut down by ray spam from other weapons. Edit: If it wasn't Custom Jet Squelcher, what would it have been? vMachine?
I need tips on how to stay in x rank in rainmaker, i recently got in hand have really struggled though im planing on picking up the foil squeezer over the octoshot that i would normally use.
Damn, that comment at the end didn't age amazingly... Hopefully devs will realize soon enough that they are already bringing too much shooter privilege in splatoon 3, but I mean, at this point it might truly be their intention considering the way things are going With how cool splatoon 3's specials are it would be a dream to have diversity like this in the meta
Oh 3.0s, how I miss you. For me, Splatoon 2 died here. The 4.0s and beyond are a different game, and by far the worst in the Splatoon series. Also, just saying, the reason 3.0 was great wasn't because there was an rps meta (definitely still helped), rather everything else had a chance to succeed, with nothing being too overbearing or too outclassed. Plus, both of the new S2 weapon classes (dualies/brellas) were both at the top, along with a very fun weapon class in blasters. Someone needs to host a 3.0 tournament someday.
The main changes I Gould give to 52 are making the wall take up 70% instead of 60% making the 52 a little more ink hungry so it can’t camp behind the wall and making boyah bomb 200p
You know how that saying goes: If it isn't broken, don't try to fix it.
Nintendo tried to fix it anyway.
And at the same time neglecting what actually needs fixing.
A meta game is at its peak when there's a lot of diversity and balance. A meta game is at its worst when your force to used or have a certain type of weapon/character in your team if you want to be successful. I hope splatoon 3 can have a diverse meta game and not a unbalanced meta.
well said
i dont think this is always true. I think the big issue with the current meta isnt that there is only one way to play, but that the one way to play is overly simple and unfun. A perfectly balanced multiplayer game is a myth when you also want diversity
@@timcrnkovich4326 I'm a bit curious about how you came to the conclusion in your last sentence. Doesn't balancing mean making as many weapons/load-outs as equally viable as possible?
@@ThreeBeeHDb I think what he means is that certain weapons must have clear disadvantages/ advantages in order for it to be fun. Otherwise it's just the same weapon with a different skin. That or maybe he's criticizing the modern usages of the term "diversity" as it relates to political and social ideas.
This is so true I hope the support specials are viable
Imagine if someone was able to get the code from back in these versions and emulate it. That’d be so sick
Its completely doable. Pirates have achieved every single version of this game (and every other switch game) and thanks to the work of some amazing modders a completely vanilla switch can host its own match without connecting to Nintendo's servers just by changing your switch's dns setting. All we need now is for someone to organise a tournament!
I would absolutely love for that to happen, I’m just unfortunately incapable of doing it lol
I actually feel kinda sentimental. The 3.0 era was when I first joined the Splatoon community, it's nice to know that I joined at the peak of the game.
I miss those days, now it's all like mpu spam, stingray spam and ink armor spam and K52 and neo splash and stuff
I love neo splash
Also aerospray pg
@@anjavinding5412 Why bother using the Aerospray PG when you can use the Kensa .52 gal? Kensa .52 gal paints better meaning it gets booyah bombs more than the weapon that was meant to paint a lot, that's not a joke, and on top of that it has splash wall and an absurdly fast kill time.
That's just how broken it is.
Neo splash is fair tho
It's just a fun weapon that paints well. It not like the k52
@@PetikG why bother using the [insert weapon here] when you can use the Kensa .52 gal? Kensa .52 gal paints better meaning it gets booyah bombs more than the weapon that was meant to paint a lot, that's not a joke, and on top of that it has splash wall and an absurdly fast kill time.
That's just how broken it is.
Honestly with how both of Splatoon 2's new weapon classes had top tier representation in this meta, and how it was generally just... good to play in, I'd say this was perhaps the most iconic era of the game.
yea having a lot of brella/dualie rep really helped it stand out
Also, vids like this make me even more excited for splatoon 3. With so many more people in the competitive space now making content, imagine how comprehensive future look-backs on splatoon 3 patches would be!
Ik it would be the perfect summer game
Drizzle season to sizzle season: Ice water
I kinda stopped paying attention to the comp scene a bit around this time, despite still playing the game a ton, so I never got to realize that there was a golden age even happening at the time. God I wish I played more competitively back then.
Crab
Splatoon 3 in one word
"I really hope Splatoon 3 isn't just shooters shooters shooters"
Poor past Chara, he has no idea.
I mean it isint know only vsplatter and squeezer
THIS is where I spent the last half of my experience of Splatoon 2 when I dropped out due to NSO. I loved it, and I wish I bit the bullet and paid for NSO so I could of been there for the game to grow instead of coming back to MPU Kensa hell
I wish that mpu damage up wasn't a thing and that thermal ink was better
wow i got this game pretty late and didn’t know a lot of these weapons cool gimmicks weren’t even in the game at first until patch 3.2, that really is probably the best patch of the game
i wish i played during that time, the diversity looks so refreshing. seeing so many teams without armor looks surreal
It was around this time that I picked up Splatoon up for the first time in my life. Not just Splatoon 2, but either game in general. I picked it up after after a friend convinced me with how many unique weapons there are. Seeing this, it really paints a picture at what a rough turn the meta has taken and how boring it would appear to newcomers with the current meta because of how seemingly one note it is. High hopes for Splatoon 3 to get things back on track.
never forget what they took from us
reject support kshot, return to slayer ttek (and enperries)
Good shit. Unrelated I watched some of that three hour FLC video and highkey he really said Splat one was bad because you could 1 v 4 with invincibility, Splat 2 is bad because you can't and hopefully 3 won't be bad lmao
I mean, its kinda true, obviously very oversimplified
Splat 1 was good bc it gave the player more playmaking power. Not to mention you won't get invincibility specials all the time bc of QR meta. Aka you die a lot in splat 1. Splat 2 is bad bc of poor balance decisions. K 52, Armor and missiles spam. It screws over individual playmaking power a lot.
That is why I hope splat 3 has a lot of individual playmaking power, maybe a little team play. But I want it to be the more of the "skilled players wins," not the "better team players win from ability spam."
Enperry Splat Dualies: I used to rule the world
back before people would say your throwing for not using mpu on bamboo, the good days
Yay been waiting for this
Is this the new mic? Sounded great!
3.0 was one of my favourite patches, nothing was overshadowing another thing.
4:00 I hope they do something similar with backlines in splat 3 since we have a bow now. For example: splatling counters bow
Bow counters charger and charger counters splatling.
Thank you for making these history videos. As someone who started playing right when the kensa weapons were getting added I missed out on a lot of this and it's super interesting to see what the game was like back then.
3.0 meta was so good, hopefully splatoon 3 can pull off the same kind of meta. Great video as always!
i hope splatoon 3 meta is as diverse as this
Man, as a blaster main, i REALLY miss this old meta ):
Oh, so this time, Chara talks about Splatoon 2 Torna: The Golden Age
It's funny how back in 4.0 I was a bit negative about the game even though in hindsight it was my favorite version. I shouldn't miss a meta where Sting Ray was more... Sting Ray but at least then the weapons that destroyed my precious Blasters were actually fun to fight.
im not sure if the new mic is too quiet or if im just too used to the old mic being too loud, but it’s nice to hear one of ur vids with better audio quslity!
Chargers combating Inkjets is like Archers combating Pegasus and Wyvern Knights in Fire Emblem.
Funny you say that when S3 brings bows to the mix.
I'd argue, dispite this being way before Bamboo became full on meta, Bamboo was a great counterpick for dealing with Brellas and Blasters. Dualies gave some problems, but the damage buff from 80 to 85 made it slightly better in some situations, such as breaking brella shields and made it a even better weapon for pairing up, and could paint well enough to run circles around the custom blasters.
Inkjets were still an issue, but Bamboo's output was enough pressure to hold them at bay if you knew the weapon. I'm happy to say I'm still a dedicated Bamboo User : )
3.0 was durring the time when I was in a team, and while we weren't anything crazy, it was fun. I'm glad I was in comp durring those days, and I hope 3 gives other classes the limelight they deserve again ^-^
Chargers were just playing duck hunt but the ducks also had a gun for the majority of this meta. Everything else definitely had its best balancing though
most of the time i spent playing splatoon 2 was around this era and it was really fun. i was still shit at the game for a good part of it but even so i still got to have a lot of fun. i really miss the good old days of the ballpoint splatling lmao
Let's go! I'm loving this series so far. Can't wait to see the next one!
honestly I miss this meta so much, fighting felt great and the variety led to me flexing so many unique weapons
Ayyy, this is around the time I started playing Splatoon 2.
Your videos are usually around 8 minutes, which is the same amount of time it usually takes for me to finish my food. So whenever I’m looking for some thing to watch while eating, I’m always happy to see a notification from you. Thank you for making content, keep up the good work!
I really like this series. Well done
can't believe it has been 3 years since. good times
It sucks that one of my mains Glooga Dualies Deco would have been perfect if they would of buff it’s ink consumption a lot sooner…
Not gonna lie, i’ve had a tiring day and really needed a video like this to chill out too :)
Back when it wasnt quad shooters double armor double k52, variety time
Interesting!!! I Joined Splatoon 2 Later Sadly But I Find This Fascinating Thank You For This Video Chara!!!! 😃
2018 was pretty much the Splatoon 2 equivalent to what August 2015-January 2016 was for Splatoon 1.
I really would like a game where every weapon type has one great weapon that can be used in the meta.
Just got splatoon 1 so I could practice out for splat 3 can’t wait!
Around this time I was a Heavy main
MAN I miss those days, I love naut but heavy is just so honest
Its such a massive shame you never see it nowadays
Love this vids and CANNOT wait for kachine fuzzy meta coverage bc that shit brought overflow to light
Rewatching this series is giving me hope for splatoon 3. It's reminding me that 1 and 2 were also janky at launch, and that 3 is as good as it is right now is an achievement. Sure, there's room for improvement, and nintendo will certainly be improving it for a long time to come, just as they did with this game
The 3.1 Patch was there more or less because that was when the Octo Expansion was released. So that is (likely) why there were few changes.
I am going to cry until we get more splatoon 3 news.
I remember I first got into Splatoon 2 a month before this era and most of my play time consisted of this period, it would also be during this era that I would enter the only Splatoon 2 tournament I would ever enter, one that sadly fell apart partway through and never got to conclude, but the team I was on happened to be the one that got the farthest along in terms of matches before the whole thing died, so we could be considered the winners in an unofficial sense as it also turned out we seemed to be the strongest of the teams from what was able to be seen, though I still wished the tournament could have played out to conclusion to know for sure. All in all, a time period of good memories.
Glad that this series of videos exists bc I dropped off Splatoon 2 hard around 4.0 due to losing my save data from having to send my Switch in for warranty and not having a way to back up the data. Thankfully I have a second Switch now so that will never be a problem for me again.
1:35 Range Blaster didn't get that 6% blast radius nerf actually. It was only to the regular blaster, so range blaster actually has a bigger blast radius than regular blaster, as odd as it seems
yea I just used range for the size comparison
I love these vid cuz it’s fun to learn about a meta without armor being 100% needed there are 0 comps rn without armor and the game is kinda dumb
we in the golden age of splatoon 3!
what surprises me about some of these changes is nintendo going out of their way to make brand new assets specifically for these changes, like the jr. having it's own unique ink tank model, the h3 having a new hit sound, the unique "shockwave" the stinger was given previously, etc. they could've just used the charger's hit sound for the h3, or have the increased jr. ink tank be solely a numerical increase, but it's nice to see they put some extra work into those changes.
this video deadass gave me post meta depression
tetras had 170p wow, even now getting splashdown on it is pretty fast but it doesn’t really matter bc splashdown is garbage
I Use kensa 52gal a lot and I mean you are not wrong, its annoying as heck to play aginst
love your content chara, keep up the great work
I didn't know 3.0 released on my birthday
I miss the golden era
9:58 Splatoon in a nutshell.
Great video, don't have much to say XP
I love these videos it makes me think about splat 3 meta and how comp will be I hope we get to see different weapon being used in solo q in 3,because in 2 right now it just shooters, no blaster, roller ,and brella (I really miss when my friends used this weapon with me.)😟
This was the time in which i dropped off the game... that 6% blaster nerf felt huge to me at the time
im glad that this was when i initially got into the game.
I played ballpoint exclusively during this whole era and dropped it after it became meta. Fun times
I thought my 3ds was on when I heard that Mario bros theme. But it was just the video😂😂😂
I mained Emperry back then for some reason. I did not know metas existed. I just happened to get attached to it.
happier times
This... is something I will never be able to see this glory.
0:11 Hmmm...those bubbles are pretty THICC, ngl.
I forgot about the reef only having a single zone before!
Boy did splatoon 3 not have this divert the start
Miss when shooters werent the end all be all weapon.... splatoon 3 has rlly fucked it up
Such a fun meta to play in.
Callie came back and the meta became a paradise
Coincidence?
TAKE US BAAAAAAAAACK
MPU was the biggest mistake of 2019
can't wait for 5.5 meta
1:17 How much impact does a damage nerf to Stingray have in a tournament setting? Here's your answer: ruclips.net/video/EtgQwAg4iWc/видео.html
Im sad i didn't have the game by that time 😔
Awwww yes the best patch/meta ages
Not a topic in this video, but a question: do you think that the meta would have been considerably different outside of Japan if the CJet saw use there? I'm a vCharger main, and I always enjoyed having range, and the ray, but HATED being shut down by ray spam from other weapons.
Edit: If it wasn't Custom Jet Squelcher, what would it have been? vMachine?
would merging this meta with the current one be a good idea
And then shooters existed.
S3 is close, but Stringers and Brellas are so weak rn.
I remember when dual squelcher were op
i havent seen a player use tenta brella in a while...
I need tips on how to stay in x rank in rainmaker, i recently got in hand have really struggled though im planing on picking up the foil squeezer over the octoshot that i would normally use.
So there was a time when brella was a viable meta weapon… Around this time I didn’t care for Splatoon much so I had no idea.
90% of when I get splatted is because of k52, i now wish that weapon got a nerf
Interesting
Maybe they could just ban shooters outright in splatoon 4....... yeah that's not gonna happen, and it wouldn't be fair.
Damn, that comment at the end didn't age amazingly... Hopefully devs will realize soon enough that they are already bringing too much shooter privilege in splatoon 3, but I mean, at this point it might truly be their intention considering the way things are going
With how cool splatoon 3's specials are it would be a dream to have diversity like this in the meta
WE HAVE IT
We HAD it
Oh 3.0s, how I miss you.
For me, Splatoon 2 died here. The 4.0s and beyond are a different game, and by far the worst in the Splatoon series.
Also, just saying, the reason 3.0 was great wasn't because there was an rps meta (definitely still helped), rather everything else had a chance to succeed, with nothing being too overbearing or too outclassed. Plus, both of the new S2 weapon classes (dualies/brellas) were both at the top, along with a very fun weapon class in blasters.
Someone needs to host a 3.0 tournament someday.
The main changes I Gould give to 52 are making the wall take up 70% instead of 60% making the 52 a little more ink hungry so it can’t camp behind the wall and making boyah bomb 200p
Are you using a different mic or what?
yes, now its an actual mic instead of a headset mic
@@ProChara it's a great change you sound a lot better
If you could shape current meta, starting from 3.2, how would you adjust 3.2?
too long for 1 comment tbh id have to think about it a while
@@ProChara Potential video idea then =P
is it my imagination or you could jump way higher?