Flounder is basically the only good one, aside from the supermarket. The rest are just walleye but somehow worse. Like at least walleye had the central boxes to spam bombs from, these are just flat squares though
Playing Splatoon 2 felt like they never wanted you to breathe, you can be attacked at any angle, there was like no place to hide on any map. I remember playing Splatoon 1 and loving all the little hidden corners you can hopefully flank the enemies with while most people are focusing on capturing mid. I loved hiding on the Flounder Heights walls. Splatoon 2 was so different and it felt like you'd die so easily
Tbh, I kinda like that about Splatoon 2. Its level design on most stages encourages more aggresion, while still being coordination based and having opportunities for some gorilla warfare tactics rather than being more slow, campy, and passive. It's not perfect but still very enjoyable. Especially on stages like Humpback, Mussleforge, and Blackbelly.
To people who are wondering why shellendorf clam blitz is bad. • Too much of a long range advantage •If you leave the long range alone they will score from the roof •Brushes have too much of an advantage on the uninkables making it impossible to chase them down if they have a powerclam •There’s not many ways to get onto the roof •You can score normal clams from the roof •You can score powerclams from the roof by jumping off it then getting back on the roof by jumping across blocks by the basket Combining all of these factors together shellendorf clam blitz ends up becoming a complete mess of who can keep control of the glass.
Me who main the Ink brush in Clam Blitz,don't see any problem with this map. Lol. But its true. S. Institute is a mess and give the brushes the upper hand because of the glass.
I use Octobrush, and while I don't mind Shellendorf clams as much as something like Blackbelly tower, I avoid the glass like the plague because anything with range instantly beats me up there.
Both clam blitz and shellendorf were both introduced in the same update/trailer. Kinda ironic since they would go on to be among the worst map-mode combos in the game.
I feel like knowing Nintendo, their thought process was probably "Oh, we would like it if team fights were to happen more! We should funnel everyone into the centre of the stage so that more fun and cool fights can happen!" but then it just kinda didn't work
They probably see how much action happens is areas of the map and go from there. Like piranha pit in on anything but Rainmaker. Only reason a person would really go into those lower areas is to put down squid beacons, but the way to get to it alone is pretty exposed
I wish they had tails that were like a web and not just one route. That’d give some diversity in ways to approach your target and not get instantly sniped when you’re on the rail because your trajectory is so predictable.
@@PopcornBunni i could stomach a lot of spla2n maps but i feel like 3 grabbed what was so bad about 2’s maps and made it worse. scorch, mincemeat, undertow, “hammerhead bridge”, mahi. The maps are so horrible they aren’t even fun. However, i feel like with flounder, museum, hagglefish, and mako the game definitely feels a lot better, but i wish that the base maps were actually playable. At least we don’t have walleye, moray, or port mackerel though, good god
1. You know what's funny, Splatoon 2 actually does have gimmicky stages. Just that they're "shifty stages" that you can only play during splatfest or pbs and turf war is the only playable mode. A good example is furler in the ashes which has the water dropping mechanic found in mahi mahi resort. (It's as if Mahi got split into Furler and Albacore) 2. If you think about it, you'll realise that most of the splatoon playerbase (who haven't played the first game) are missing out on some of the best maps this franchise has to offer. I played 2 first before getting a wii u to play 1. Mahi mahi quickly became my favourite map simply because of the water dropping mechanic as well as how it reminded me of delfino pier from mk wii (the same gimmick but in reverse as the water is rising and new areas of the stage open up as old areas get submerged) so I found an easy favourite unlike in 2 where I still am not certain on what my favourite map is. Because of this, I feel sorry for those who can only play splatoon 2 and being forced to suffer the worst of what the series has to offer. 3. There are other reasons for why Splatoon 1 is arguably better than splatoon 2 including less input lag, ability to backup save data, better ranking system and free online etc. But that's a topic for another day.
Tell me about saving data! I can understand why Nintendo is shy about it for splatoon. On the first game you could have a save file with S+ 67 for example and if after your playtime end up with less than what you started you could use that file to get back to S+ 67. But it's easily solvable. To play splatoon ranked battles you have to connect on the internet ( obviously! ). So… Why don't eliminate manual backups and force automatic only backups?? It's so easy and it could happen between matches.
idk if it's because i didnt have as much friends in S2 than in S1, but yea, i def had a better experience on S1. kinda off topic, but i also just love how the ink is flat textured in S1, in S2 it doesn't look as aesthetically pleasing imo; with how the edges/border of the ink being lighter than the rest, and how the reflectiveness is not even/consistent, makes it look odd
@@325.minutes Have to reply to this as another person who has a weird issue with Splatoon 2's ink. It takes away from the colors themselves when sitting under any light source turns the ink into blobby, light reflective piles, lmao. But the bigger issue is that it's very hard to read anything while you're moving around.
Half of Splatoon's gameplay appeal is its fluid movement, so it baffles me how Nintendo saw that and thought cramping mid was a good idea. Something you only mentioned once or twice but I think is also important: inkable surfaces giving more options as well as just making the game more enjoyable overall. Wahoo World, for whatever reason, gives you the options of an inkable floor that's only available half the time or an uninkable surface that's always there but will just get you killed anyways because you're being handicapped AND bottlenecked. Goby Arena has the uninkable ramp in the back that makes flanking SO much harder, basically forcing you to go up the left instead. Whether or not it's balanced is besides the point; it still feels terrible. Being forced to equip Run Speed Up just to get across these surfaces faster feels a tad silly to me. Nintendo really likes to brand Splatoon as "Turf War + some other stuff," so it confuses me why they thought large, uninkable surfaces was the way to go.
Splatoon 1's maps were experimental, but they felt like they were building a world and environment. splatoon 2 and 3's maps feel like simulated battle arenas.
I cannot agree more. If you asked me the one thing that Splatoon 3 needs to improve on over two, it's stages, even a little more so than specials IMO. Half the stages are either meh or just objectively bad. With this too comes the map rotation, which is a separate topic. Lots of people want the ability to play any map and mode at any given time, but I don't really see this being as possible as others, since I don't think Splatoon has the playerbase for this type of thing that COD does. It would create a split playerbase where a majority of players are queing in zones and tower control while leaving stuff like clam blitz unplayed. The current rotation system forces everyone to at some point play all the modes in the game, which isn't ideal, but almost necessary. I do agree that this needs a rework. One thing I would love is for Nintendo to crack down in 3 on what stages play particularly well with certain modes. This way we can get sort of "playlists" that are more static but in shifts, which will just improve the quality of these rotations by not having stages that just don't fit with other modes. The same stages of course don't have to be paired with each other every time, they can be mixed in with others. The point of emphasis here is shifting a focus of the best stages for each mode, rather than throwing in every stage for every mode at some point in the day, which I think we agree that not every stage works with everything.
“Now maybe this is absolutely gigabrain and Nintendo’s plan is to port over all the bad Splatoon 1 stages in order to port all the good ones into Splatoon 3.” And then Nintendo proceeded to ruin Hammerhead Bridge.
Also ruined mahi mahi resort. Both maps no longer have options and funnel players into mid. Eeltail Alley, undertow, Mincemeat Metalworks, and scorch gorge all force players into a mid section from a very limited point start. On top of that, they have ether limited push options into the enemy base or none at all. Undertow I find hilarious. For turf and zones you have this large ass bases, but forced into this super tiny inescapable arena in mid. While rainmaker and tower it's actually decent with more of the map open to the other team. TLDR: it seems the "funnel people into mid" design is here to stay for splatoon 3.
@@benvictim eeltail, mincemeat, and scorch also have the most annoying spots for snipers where they have 99% visibility of the entire map, if theres a sniper on the other team good luck trying to hide from them
Nintendo made every map the same where you are forced into the middle. Also butchering maps from 1 beats the point of brining them back in the first place.
This was a really good video. I have a lot of respect for competitive play but I am and always will be a casual. Splatoon 2 is so severely try-hard even in turf war, compared to 1. it's impossible for me to play the game with my friends anymore because they're sick of dying all the time. And it's all because of the forced mid-fights, just like you said. This video is a clear and comprehensive explanation of Splatoon 2's failure to just be fun. A quick aside, I find it bizarre how desperate the Splatoon 2 devs seemed to be to cater to competitive play. Splatoon 2 was even revealed with the promise of a large competitive tournament in the Switch reveal trailer. The design of stages forces fights, and the specials are team focused rather than individually empowering (aka. fun). It's weird because 99% of their players are not competitive, but casual, and they've done an ABYSMAL job at actually organizing events to begin with. They may as well not have bothered.
Yeah the thing about maps is they feel miserable at any skill level. Casual or comp shit maps will always feel terrible. I think Nintendo wanted more teamplay but didn't think about how a game dependent on teamplay to do anything would actually feel.
Even from a solo queue / casual perspective, few of the S2 maps are *fun* to play on. They range from "nah I don't feel like this right now" to "fine." There's no time you think "yes! THIS stage!" for any of the S2 maps except maybe The Reef. (My most hated stage is still probably Moray, though.)
@@lol-ih1tl idk. I was there when Moray was first introduced and it was fun for about a week before it became the single most hated stage in the game, but it was still well-loved by super casual players who made up the majority of the player base.
@@zammich3649 yup and it managed to return to 2 AND was added in smash. Nintendo loves it a little too much but I understand Moray is the most notorious splatoon map but I mean Urchin underpass was one of the firsts in the game and it only made its return to MK8DX I wish moray and urchin swapped places
I was genuinely happy when I heard they will port Mahi-Mahi over to Splatoon 3 and now that I've played it on Splat Zones and Clam Blitz I can confidentally say that I absolutely hate the map now. It's all so small all of the sudden, they got rid of the spawn from Splatoon 1 for some reason. It feels like they just cut each side off so that only mid remains. I've been playing Dynamo since Splatoon 1 and Mahi was my favourite map for it, now I can barrely do anything of help because not even the little platforms you could jump on are that high anymore. I don't know if I'm the only one with this problem but I felt like ranting about it. Museum D'alfonsino is fine I don't know why they felt like Mahi Mahi needed to be cramped down.
I can finally see why I felt odd playing 2 compared to s1, aside the weird specials that do nearly anything, the maps designs are really boring you only have certain ways to go in the map and if you got a bad team that can't push you're screwed, there aren't paths so you can infiltrate into the enemy's team's base and /or push from the back most of the time And yeah most maps don't have a gimmick that you really wanna play or is fun to use like museum d'alfonsino where you discovered the spinners to get into the enemy's base and the to jump to even more places above or just push from there above
It felt like Splatoon 2 was rushed to be released on the Switch during its launch year, as Splat 2 released a year after Splat 1's final fest. I missed Splatoon 1 as I played Splatoon 2 and would have gone back to Splatoon 1 if I still had my Wii U. The stage designs were just so boring and so were the specials
For whatever reason, people get attached to gimmicky or bad maps in shooters. Look at TF2 for example, where 2fort is the most popular map in the game. 2fort is horribly choke heavy and has no time limit, leading to several-hour long stalemates becoming commonplace.
...I mean, this is TF2 we're talking about. When you have hours to spare, hours-long games which can devolve into just about anything can be fun, and you can make new friends/play with your IRL ones anytime.
i think people treat 2fort as the deathmatch mode for tf2. the place newbies go to not pay attention and just kinda shitpost and kill people. they get mad if you steal the intel. though, what do i know? i only watched videos on the subject, i'd always just played payload lol
People like 2fort because it simplifies the classes to their most basic elements, meaning most of anyone can play 2fort well if they have good fundamentals. The map falls apart when the people playing are _too_ good at the game, resulting in a basically endless stalemate where neither side can gain any ground, which is part of the appeal and one of the main reasons people like to play on it. Maps like 2fort, Hightower, and Turbine are popular because they are "basically" team deathmatch because of the lack of a timer, but that doesn't mean that other maps aren't also popular. Upward is probably the most popular map in the game behind 2fort and Hightower, and it's one of the better designed maps.
albacore focuses so much on being a beautiful map with beautiful scenery that it forgot how to make the map work for short range. imo its not as bad as shellendorf but definitely needs to be fixed.
The one point I think is wrong is that all maps having all modes is a bad thing. The only reason that is a bad thing is because we don't have control over which combinations we get with the rotation system. Variety is never a bad thing when it's optional.
I can understand the point but I don't agree. Variety but it being terrible just isn't worth it. Flounder heights is one of my favorite stages, and I want it back, but playing that stage on rainmaker is a horrible experience. If there was a world where less good map modes could be available in PBs only sure but Nintendo won't do that honestly.
I've love to see you do a vid on the shifties, all of which were highly gimmicky and experimental, if you think any of them might serve as the foundations of a good ranked-mode stage. I think many of the gimmicks are a little extreme for ranked modes, but perhaps if you toned them down a little that would work well, or even just turned the gimmicks off for ranked like they do with Mako. Plus, a lot of us didn't play in many Splatfests and would love to see the stages shown off and talked about more.
This problems really affects me and I hope it gets fixed. I constantly find myself feeling cramped on Splatoon 2 stages especially if I play weapons I'm not used to. It also supports the fact that I don't have a favorite stage out of all the new ones in Splatoon 2.
18:48 living in a post spoon 3 launch world… it’s ironic what chara says with mahi in the background since s3 made it so tiny and destroyed the flank islands making it one of the most cramped and In fun stages of s3
Not to mention that they made mid-match spawning hell, all you need is a blaster/long range weapon pressed up against the wall of the higher spawn block and you're stuck.
Mahi in 1: A dynamic map with good spots for long range weapons and multiple angles to counter them from Mahi in 3: Dynamic? Angles to counter long range weapons? Islands? What is all that nonsense? All you need are wide open spaces for snipers to dominate and no flank routes whatsoever as well as to destroy all the islands, leaving a shell of its former self. Yay!
Splatoon 2: 1-2, maybe 3 viable methods of reaching mid Splatoon 1: Chara could spend a whole 15-20 minute video enumerating all the ways players could move into mid XD
At first, I was thinking "what is he on about" but now, I'll never look at splatoon 2 the same again. (I have noticed some of this myself, I just never thought much of it.)
Prochara : I feel like splatoon 3 maps are going to be the best in the series Nintendo : understood, we shall use tetris blocks as our map design and give them cover that feel out of place instead of blending them in the map to make them look like they are part of the decor. Oh and uninkable walls, lots of them, this tottaly won’t almost completly invalidate the existence of one of our new movement options.
the splatoon series is like siblings in away 1 - very good, favoured in many ways, is the role model of the 3 2 - the awkward middle child that not a lot of ppl like but does have notable features/achievements 3 - (HOPEFULLY) as good if not better than 1 and 2 and builds on both games ideas i just want a more fair game in terms of balancing :/ chargers vs splatlings debate shouldnt exist, maps favouring X amount of range is dumb to even think of, spam specials will bring this game to its knees (similar to what happened/happening in 2), etc
That's going to be the state of the franchise in the early Splatoon 3 era. But once Splatoon 3 is done with updates and Splatfests, the community will start appreciating 2 more, because by that point, all the Splatoon 2 little Timmies will be old enough for their opinions to matter on the internet.
As a Splatoon 1 veteran who got Splatoon 2 the year it launched, I think the only time I started to like Splatoon 2 was near the end of its life. Octo Expansion was amazing and I loved the lore that it brought, and the Final Fest was the most fun I ever had with the game (as well as emotional due to the final shifty station - genuinely the best part of Splatoon 2 was probably the Final Fest). But the game was horrid at launch and rarely got anything right... even the music at first in battles wasn't good (Wet Floor is terrible for Splatoon music) and the aesthetic in the first game was a lot better (90's kids aesthetics, just squid kids having fun with no parents around and being chaotic) compared to the second game (it had an oddly formal feeling to it as well as an early 2000's aesthetic... it wasn't bad but didn't fit the Splatoon feeling). I've hardly touched Splatoon 2 since the Final Fest because it's just not fun.
I have an idea. You could do a video about the rainmaker projectile. For example, if they bring back rainmaker in Splat 3, should it shoot like the one in Splat 1 or 2. Or maybe you have another idea, how the rainmaker could function. I feel like the rainmaker projectile in Splat 1 was too powerful, but in Splat 2 it's too underwhelming
Still finding the concept of eight Inklings filing their passports, packing bags, clearing security with ink weaponry (a headache, I assume) and boarding a multihour flight to play a three minute match at Museum
Great video. I prefer Splatoon's gimmick stages because they were unique and chaotic in their own way in comparison to 2. Honestly I would still be playing 1 if my disk wasn't scratched. :(
man I really miss splatoon 1 map designs where there were these really fucked off areas wayyy off to the side of mid that could go an entire match without even being used once, but were very useful for creating wide flanks or for specific weapon types to take advantage of. Splatoon 1 maps just feel a lot more experimental and more like classic arena shooter maps like those found in the quake games or unreal tournament. I wish splatoon 3 had map designs that did similar things
bro what happened... like jeez... now that i look at splatoon 1's maps it makes 2 and 3 feel so completely mistaken and homogeneous by comparison.. am i considering returning to splatoon 1?
i remember when i used to get lost in those areas and omg it felt like an adventure finding ur way around and learning the maps, oh how i miss good map designs
And you’d usually expect Splatoon 3 to knock it out of the park since it’s all about diversity in this game, mainly with the cultures. So maybe they could’ve made the stages unique and full of variety instead of going with the generic Splatoon 2 stages route. In fact they could’ve brought back the Splatoon 2 Shifty Stages if they’re gonna spice it up a lot more or make stages feel similar to that, those were the best parts about Splatoon 2.
This is very good. You articulate what I think but don't realize why I like or don't like it. For example, I never liked Flounder bc it is a horrible Hydra map but never thought about that being why.
There are so many maps where they could add some ink rails, and/or ride rails that would make them so much better, like in manta, a ride rail that goes from the left side near spawn on that low platform where the clam basket is to the enemy side on their right where snipers perch, the ride rail would travel along the outside of the stage and I feel like this would be really nice for the map. For inkblot, they should make the right side wall in the low area inkable so you can swim upwards toward the enemy spawn and flank. Moray could add more ink rails that let you take alternative routes to get up on the enemy side, and so much more. These would give more counter play to chargers camping in almost unreachable areas and make the game more fun.
if nintendo was willing to admit that they can mess up and make big changes in an update the games would be much better imo. they could change what mpu does on certain weapons, revamp rotations and map mode combinations, etc.
My guess too. They were like: "It's too complicated, everyone should be able to remember the maps as fast as possible and we want to attract more kids." Pretty sad and I don't actually think that simple stages are more popular in Splatoon, no matter if we talk about kids, teens or adults, it's probably the opposite
Finally, someone voicing my thought and it's someone who's actually good at the game. he Gimmick thing is by far the most important thing to be- I haven't played Splatoon 1 since I got 2, and the maps from 1 are still far more memorable for me and I was really young then. I really wan Mahi-Mahi, Hammerhead Bridge, and (I'm pretty sure this is an unpopular opinion) Saltspray Rig back since I loved them back in the day. I'm also mega hyped for Museum making a comeback. The forced-mids thing isn't something I (an extremely casual and not good player) noticed but you bringing it up really made me realise that.
The map I want to return the most in Splatoon 3 is The Reef (such a good stage minus the trees) and the least one I want back is Moray Towers. (It's just... yuck.) Splatoon 2 has sooo many flaws to even be considered a good (competitive) game imo, but the stages take the cake. It's like being forced to play on stages like Brinstar Depths, The Great Cave Offensive, Golden Plains etc. in Smash Ultimate.
it has limited entry but not splat 2 level bad, and it favors short range but long range can work on it, it more suffers from splat 2 specials its ass on tc/cb though, rainmaker/turf they made spawn bigger which fixed it, and its good on sz
I've always wondered why I disliked Splat Zones so much more in Splatoon 2 than 1. For a very long time I thought Splat Zones is a mode where camping decides who wins and I blamed the mode itself. Yet the maps are mostly at fault by not giving the player enough approach options that make camping kust tremendously easier
I hope the Splat 3 stages will have more gimmicks from the story mode like the trampolines. I think they were in one splatfeststage but i don't remember it clearly.
Dude I love your content! I’d love to see a ranking of the stages from Splatoon 1 and 2 and what makes them so good in even more detail perhaps in a tier list style video? (You don’t have to but it would be really cool :) ).
@@autismandgaming4532 oh no NOW it is. Brinewater Springs is probably the least inspired map design so far in the series, the lay out was seemingly made in 30 minutes.
I always found it weird how people explain Splatoon 1 as this game where it's so easy to die and unfair, the specials may be broken but there's so many ways to move that it really rewards playing smartly and you very rarely feel fenced in or like there's no escape options. My favourite map is Flounder Heights because there's so much verticality and you can zip around the map really fast to get from one point to another. About the only thing I dislike with Flounder Heights is spawn and even that has a lot of breathing room, as well as high ground to shoot at intruders below and a few good exit options. Mahi Mahi Resort is also a liked one of mine because the changing water level is a cool mechanic and those little islands are a good but risky option to come into mid, which makes it feel more exciting when you manage to catch the opposing team by surprise. Overall I just think Splatoon 1 gave people more breathing room and movement options which made things like inking walls to climb on them more of an impactful mechanic. The variety also made each map feel more distinct and interesting to play on. As an aside, I dislike the amount of non-inkable surfaces in Splatoon 2 because it just feels like it takes away a lot of options and it favours certain weapon types heavily. It also goes against the whole point of Splatoon for me tbh if they're going to just force you to walk around like a normal shooter to get certain places. Uninkable surfaces are good in moderation but I feel like Splatoon 2 overused them. I'm glad that so far, Splatoon 3 seems like it'll bring the energetic movement of 1 back a bit more. I'm really hoping the maps live up to that as well.
Tbh I’m really hoping Wahoo gets ported just because I love the theme, the boardwalk amusement park look was really cool. Maybe they can rework it tho?
@@cake5392 yeah, maybe creating side alleys could help. Maybe that little section on the right that you get to with the ride rail could be extended further? Kinda like the side alleys in urchin idk
I agree with everything you aid, but there are some maps like reef that work fine on all modes, so I'm fine if they bring it back, but yeah stuff like that sucks. Another problem with it is that it changes the way you need to play. For example, on sz, tc, and CB, blackbelly is seen as a small map that is quite easy to access the objective from spawn. On rm, however, not saying that it's bad, but it now becomes huge map that favors sting ray and stalling. Same for mako. On most of the modes, Your spawn is very close to mid with a lot of ways to get there. You got the main way, but also the inkrail and flank routes on the left and right. On rainmaker, however, you spawn at the top of a cliff with only one main way to leave and is instead heavily centered around the areas near spawn and not the map as a whole. I just wish stuff like this would be way better in 3, and not just that, but make maps specifically for certain modes.
Unfortunately for your list of desires towards the end there, but Wahoo did indeed return. Wahoo was always a map I never knew how exactly I felt about, when it released, I really liked it, but as time went on, I would shift between liking it, being indifferent about it, and disliking it proportional more or less to how often I was playing on it with the more frequently I was playing it correlating to a shift in the negative, but I was never sure is that was the stages fault or just me desiring more variety in the maps that happened to be available while I was online.
I just really want more special gimmicks. Albacore < Mahi because besides annoying run-only areas it’s really nothing special!! Museum > Inkblot since the moving platforms are just *super* cool. Saltspray > Walleye. Verticality and unique layout. Also the moving grid is awesome and I wish more construction-themed maps had moving equipment.
“I feel like splatoon 3 is gonna have the best maps that we’ve ever seen” yeah so that unfortunately didn’t fuckin happen lol. It’s actually baffling to me how everything in splatoon 3 except map design feels significantly better than any of the previous games but the maps feel 10x worse than ANYTHING in splat 1&2. How do they keep dropping the ball this hard on it when they nearly perfected it 7 years ago…
splatoon 3’s maps (eeltail/scorch) were actually so much better in their trailers compared to the actual release state, which is probably why he thought we’d be getting good maps in 3
New developers. People tend to forget that these games are made by people, and there were significantly different people behind the Splatoon 1 maps and the Splatoon 3 maps. And guess what they did right after Splatoon 3 was announced? They sent out a recruitment post for devs to create Splatoon stages. The stages in Splatoon 3 were the result of a fresh faced fumbling dev team who didn’t know what they were doing and wanted to make their mark on the series.
@@noizepusher7594 I didn't know the designer recruitment was a thing, It can be a possibile reason why the maps are like this but blaming everything on the new designers Is kind of a stretch.
@@Dula8207 how is it a stretch? Noticeable decline in map quality because of inexperienced developers who were bad at their jobs. Simple cause and effect. They sent out a recruitment post *specifically* for map designers to make changes to the old maps, and the changes made to old maps were bad, seems like they hired inexperienced people who didn’t know how to design Splatoon maps.
Routes? Just spam superjumps and expose your hiding teammates getting you and them killed, or switch mains so you get squid beacon, even if you can’t play that weapon! Easy fix each time :) In all seriousness, I agree. I loved maps like mahi mahi and heights, and I was dissappointed when they weren’t in Splatoon 2 :/
2 feels like they were trying to be more focused and give you a better line of sight without understanding fully what made maps work in the first place. 3 has some strangeness but feels way more focused
True, I saw a photo of the new design and I am not liking it. Flounder Heights was one of my favorite maps, not just for how it looked, but the layout and wide variety of ways to approach, especially with all the places you could hide on the walls. I don't like how the new version shrinks the walls down.
It seems that most maps are just unfair to chargers in general in both games. I love that the weapon requires skill to play but most weapons are heavily outclassed by it. Mostly by jet squelchers. Actually jet squelchers in general should have their damage REDUCED just so that splatlings and chargers may have an actual chance.
Same, though I feel like I know what the verdict will be with many of them, since a good chunk of them have even worse mid-stages than the normal maps. The Trick vs Treat Shifty Station is a war crime.
I feel like it would be cool to add some of the mechanics from hero mode, like moving objects and inkfurlers, to the turf war/ranked stages, around the edge of the stage, as a sort of risky flanking option.
Splatoon 3 map designers saw this video's title and took it as a challenge
Literally every splatoon 3 map hope wasn't realized. This shit is too good.
goby arena my beloved ❤
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"i feel like splartoon 3 is gonna have the best maps that we've ever seen"
Now here is a statement that aged like milk!
flounder is at least ok!
but yeah…
Flounder is basically the only good one, aside from the supermarket.
The rest are just walleye but somehow worse. Like at least walleye had the central boxes to spam bombs from, these are just flat squares though
We dont talk about splatoon 3 mahi mahi
@@autismandgaming4532 The sad part is that all Nintendo had to do was just port it over and it would have been just fine
I still have faith. Sure, the maps aren’t the best right now but we have time to improve and add good maps. Nintendo better not mess this up
Playing Splatoon 2 felt like they never wanted you to breathe, you can be attacked at any angle, there was like no place to hide on any map. I remember playing Splatoon 1 and loving all the little hidden corners you can hopefully flank the enemies with while most people are focusing on capturing mid. I loved hiding on the Flounder Heights walls. Splatoon 2 was so different and it felt like you'd die so easily
Also I can’t fucking stand special spam
Tbh, I kinda like that about Splatoon 2. Its level design on most stages encourages more aggresion, while still being coordination based and having opportunities for some gorilla warfare tactics rather than being more slow, campy, and passive. It's not perfect but still very enjoyable. Especially on stages like Humpback, Mussleforge, and Blackbelly.
Really? On Flounder Heights I was always afraid of people popping up from every angle and surprising me
This summed up my thoughts exactly. I remember in Splatoon 1 being able to sneak around so much more easily. Splatoon 2 you just die every 5 seconds.
@Dark Tenta missles on Wahoo
Tower control on camp triggerfish is the worst thing ever created.
i've never played camp on tower but camp on splat zones is just terrible
tower passing through water + ink armor = not a fun time getting knockbacked to the water half of the game
Any mode (except maybe turf) is horrible on camp triggerfish
@@this_username_is_taken7004 agreed, turf is the only mode that is fun for camp triggerfish.
Camp triggerfish on zones is equally bad and you’ll understand why if you look at the map and how it’s played
To people who are wondering why shellendorf clam blitz is bad.
• Too much of a long range advantage
•If you leave the long range alone they will score from the roof
•Brushes have too much of an advantage on the uninkables making it impossible to chase them down if they have a powerclam
•There’s not many ways to get onto the roof
•You can score normal clams from the roof
•You can score powerclams from the roof by jumping off it then getting back on the roof by jumping across blocks by the basket
Combining all of these factors together shellendorf clam blitz ends up becoming a complete mess of who can keep control of the glass.
Me who main the Ink brush in Clam Blitz,don't see any problem with this map. Lol. But its true. S. Institute is a mess and give the brushes the upper hand because of the glass.
I use Octobrush, and while I don't mind Shellendorf clams as much as something like Blackbelly tower, I avoid the glass like the plague because anything with range instantly beats me up there.
Both clam blitz and shellendorf were both introduced in the same update/trailer. Kinda ironic since they would go on to be among the worst map-mode combos in the game.
I main Kensa Octobrush so I actually don't mind that stage and mode together too much XD
I never really liked Shellendorf in the first place, I always found as way too open and cramped at the same time.
I feel like knowing Nintendo, their thought process was probably "Oh, we would like it if team fights were to happen more! We should funnel everyone into the centre of the stage so that more fun and cool fights can happen!" but then it just kinda didn't work
They probably see how much action happens is areas of the map and go from there. Like piranha pit in on anything but Rainmaker. Only reason a person would really go into those lower areas is to put down squid beacons, but the way to get to it alone is pretty exposed
Ngl Manta with rails at the sides of the map sounds really cool
Omg imagine if the rails were basically like the ropes of the ship that are tied to the mast, that would be so cool
I wish they had tails that were like a web and not just one route. That’d give some diversity in ways to approach your target and not get instantly sniped when you’re on the rail because your trajectory is so predictable.
Yeah I actually think manta is a good map
But
It’s ABSOLUTELY true that it needs rails
It would honestly fix the biggest problems with the map
Imagine making this whole video just for Splatoon 3 to have even worse maps
I gotta do it again now
3 maps are bad but they don't hold a candle to the bad maps of 2. It at least has Flounder and Museum from 1 to carry it.
im sad big run didnt destroy wahoo tbh
@@PopcornBunni i could stomach a lot of spla2n maps but i feel like 3 grabbed what was so bad about 2’s maps and made it worse. scorch, mincemeat, undertow, “hammerhead bridge”, mahi. The maps are so horrible they aren’t even fun. However, i feel like with flounder, museum, hagglefish, and mako the game definitely feels a lot better, but i wish that the base maps were actually playable. At least we don’t have walleye, moray, or port mackerel though, good god
@@Fridgemasters mincemeat metalworks the best map 😂
1. You know what's funny, Splatoon 2 actually does have gimmicky stages. Just that they're "shifty stages" that you can only play during splatfest or pbs and turf war is the only playable mode. A good example is furler in the ashes which has the water dropping mechanic found in mahi mahi resort. (It's as if Mahi got split into Furler and Albacore)
2. If you think about it, you'll realise that most of the splatoon playerbase (who haven't played the first game) are missing out on some of the best maps this franchise has to offer. I played 2 first before getting a wii u to play 1. Mahi mahi quickly became my favourite map simply because of the water dropping mechanic as well as how it reminded me of delfino pier from mk wii (the same gimmick but in reverse as the water is rising and new areas of the stage open up as old areas get submerged) so I found an easy favourite unlike in 2 where I still am not certain on what my favourite map is. Because of this, I feel sorry for those who can only play splatoon 2 and being forced to suffer the worst of what the series has to offer.
3. There are other reasons for why Splatoon 1 is arguably better than splatoon 2 including less input lag, ability to backup save data, better ranking system and free online etc. But that's a topic for another day.
Tell me about saving data! I can understand why Nintendo is shy about it for splatoon. On the first game you could have a save file with S+ 67 for example and if after your playtime end up with less than what you started you could use that file to get back to S+ 67.
But it's easily solvable. To play splatoon ranked battles you have to connect on the internet ( obviously! ). So… Why don't eliminate manual backups and force automatic only backups?? It's so easy and it could happen between matches.
idk if it's because i didnt have as much friends in S2 than in S1, but yea, i def had a better experience on S1. kinda off topic, but i also just love how the ink is flat textured in S1, in S2 it doesn't look as aesthetically pleasing imo; with how the edges/border of the ink being lighter than the rest, and how the reflectiveness is not even/consistent, makes it look odd
@@325.minutes Have to reply to this as another person who has a weird issue with Splatoon 2's ink. It takes away from the colors themselves when sitting under any light source turns the ink into blobby, light reflective piles, lmao. But the bigger issue is that it's very hard to read anything while you're moving around.
love how the only good stages are called the "shifty stages" lmao
@@jasonzervos yeah, they should just store data on the servers like ANY OTHER decent online game.
Half of Splatoon's gameplay appeal is its fluid movement, so it baffles me how Nintendo saw that and thought cramping mid was a good idea.
Something you only mentioned once or twice but I think is also important: inkable surfaces giving more options as well as just making the game more enjoyable overall.
Wahoo World, for whatever reason, gives you the options of an inkable floor that's only available half the time or an uninkable surface that's always there but will just get you killed anyways because you're being handicapped AND bottlenecked.
Goby Arena has the uninkable ramp in the back that makes flanking SO much harder, basically forcing you to go up the left instead. Whether or not it's balanced is besides the point; it still feels terrible.
Being forced to equip Run Speed Up just to get across these surfaces faster feels a tad silly to me. Nintendo really likes to brand Splatoon as "Turf War + some other stuff," so it confuses me why they thought large, uninkable surfaces was the way to go.
"You have only have one way to push because this area is terrible and there's no way to climb the wall over here without using glitches" LMAOOOO 😭😭😭
8:25 After launch I can confirm Nintendo did port good s1 stages and proceeded to make them worse to unplayable
The ported the stages they thought were the best first and then “fixed” the later ones
Splatoon 1's maps were experimental, but they felt like they were building a world and environment. splatoon 2 and 3's maps feel like simulated battle arenas.
Maps from 1 where diverse and allowed opportunities to attack from flank etc. Now it’s everyone is forced into the middle.
17:28 is long not flat*
Edit: Looks like Splatoon 3 maps are still bad, so we get to do a sequel to this oh joy.
I cannot agree more. If you asked me the one thing that Splatoon 3 needs to improve on over two, it's stages, even a little more so than specials IMO. Half the stages are either meh or just objectively bad. With this too comes the map rotation, which is a separate topic. Lots of people want the ability to play any map and mode at any given time, but I don't really see this being as possible as others, since I don't think Splatoon has the playerbase for this type of thing that COD does. It would create a split playerbase where a majority of players are queing in zones and tower control while leaving stuff like clam blitz unplayed. The current rotation system forces everyone to at some point play all the modes in the game, which isn't ideal, but almost necessary. I do agree that this needs a rework. One thing I would love is for Nintendo to crack down in 3 on what stages play particularly well with certain modes. This way we can get sort of "playlists" that are more static but in shifts, which will just improve the quality of these rotations by not having stages that just don't fit with other modes. The same stages of course don't have to be paired with each other every time, they can be mixed in with others. The point of emphasis here is shifting a focus of the best stages for each mode, rather than throwing in every stage for every mode at some point in the day, which I think we agree that not every stage works with everything.
@@Riddlesworths Ah thank you lol
5:48 Can you actually make that jump?
@@katsoupman3218 rail
“Now maybe this is absolutely gigabrain and Nintendo’s plan is to port over all the bad Splatoon 1 stages in order to port all the good ones into Splatoon 3.”
And then Nintendo proceeded to ruin Hammerhead Bridge.
Also ruined mahi mahi resort. Both maps no longer have options and funnel players into mid.
Eeltail Alley, undertow, Mincemeat Metalworks, and scorch gorge all force players into a mid section from a very limited point start. On top of that, they have ether limited push options into the enemy base or none at all.
Undertow I find hilarious. For turf and zones you have this large ass bases, but forced into this super tiny inescapable arena in mid. While rainmaker and tower it's actually decent with more of the map open to the other team.
TLDR: it seems the "funnel people into mid" design is here to stay for splatoon 3.
@@benvictim eeltail, mincemeat, and scorch also have the most annoying spots for snipers where they have 99% visibility of the entire map, if theres a sniper on the other team good luck trying to hide from them
Nintendo made every map the same where you are forced into the middle. Also butchering maps from 1 beats the point of brining them back in the first place.
This was a really good video. I have a lot of respect for competitive play but I am and always will be a casual. Splatoon 2 is so severely try-hard even in turf war, compared to 1. it's impossible for me to play the game with my friends anymore because they're sick of dying all the time. And it's all because of the forced mid-fights, just like you said. This video is a clear and comprehensive explanation of Splatoon 2's failure to just be fun.
A quick aside, I find it bizarre how desperate the Splatoon 2 devs seemed to be to cater to competitive play. Splatoon 2 was even revealed with the promise of a large competitive tournament in the Switch reveal trailer. The design of stages forces fights, and the specials are team focused rather than individually empowering (aka. fun). It's weird because 99% of their players are not competitive, but casual, and they've done an ABYSMAL job at actually organizing events to begin with. They may as well not have bothered.
Yeah the thing about maps is they feel miserable at any skill level. Casual or comp shit maps will always feel terrible.
I think Nintendo wanted more teamplay but didn't think about how a game dependent on teamplay to do anything would actually feel.
Damn. This really succinctly describes why 2 has always felt a little unfun to me as a casual player. SHEESH.
i relate to this too much
@@datoonie2569 it’s mainly because of NSO
Nintendo switch online weeded out all of the casuals that don’t play the game a lot
@@Dark-xv9iz Splatoon 2's sales have more than doubled after NSO launched. The only people who were weeded out were the Wii U babies.
18:10 did they really make scorch gorge and decide "hmm yes this map is too good make it worse" wth that layout looks so much nicer
its nintendo, they hate fans, they hate common sense
@@hAze_the_shrimp yes because actively putting effort into making a game worse is totally good for business. Nintendo is just incompetent dumbass
@@ender691 TRUE
*NOOOOO WE COULD'VE HAD A REAL STAGE! WHYYYYYYY*
Even from a solo queue / casual perspective, few of the S2 maps are *fun* to play on. They range from "nah I don't feel like this right now" to "fine." There's no time you think "yes! THIS stage!" for any of the S2 maps except maybe The Reef. (My most hated stage is still probably Moray, though.)
One of the only times I think “yes!” Is when I play camp triggerfish. It’s one of my favourite maps, but the others are pretty bad ngl.
the funny thing is that Moray Towers used to be very popular during the Splatoon 1 days, now it's one of the most hated maps.
@@lol-ih1tl idk. I was there when Moray was first introduced and it was fun for about a week before it became the single most hated stage in the game, but it was still well-loved by super casual players who made up the majority of the player base.
@@zammich3649 yup and it managed to return to 2 AND was added in smash. Nintendo loves it a little too much but I understand Moray is the most notorious splatoon map but I mean Urchin underpass was one of the firsts in the game and it only made its return to MK8DX I wish moray and urchin swapped places
I quite like Moray tbh after they added ink rails. It did a lot for it in terms of movement
I was genuinely happy when I heard they will port Mahi-Mahi over to Splatoon 3 and now that I've played it on Splat Zones and Clam Blitz I can confidentally say that I absolutely hate the map now. It's all so small all of the sudden, they got rid of the spawn from Splatoon 1 for some reason. It feels like they just cut each side off so that only mid remains. I've been playing Dynamo since Splatoon 1 and Mahi was my favourite map for it, now I can barrely do anything of help because not even the little platforms you could jump on are that high anymore. I don't know if I'm the only one with this problem but I felt like ranting about it. Museum D'alfonsino is fine I don't know why they felt like Mahi Mahi needed to be cramped down.
I can finally see why I felt odd playing 2 compared to s1, aside the weird specials that do nearly anything, the maps designs are really boring you only have certain ways to go in the map and if you got a bad team that can't push you're screwed, there aren't paths so you can infiltrate into the enemy's team's base and /or push from the back most of the time
And yeah most maps don't have a gimmick that you really wanna play or is fun to use like museum d'alfonsino where you discovered the spinners to get into the enemy's base and the to jump to even more places above or just push from there above
It felt like Splatoon 2 was rushed to be released on the Switch during its launch year, as Splat 2 released a year after Splat 1's final fest. I missed Splatoon 1 as I played Splatoon 2 and would have gone back to Splatoon 1 if I still had my Wii U. The stage designs were just so boring and so were the specials
I agree that the splat 1 maps felt more unique. All the splat 2 stages feel the same.
Splatoon 1 had 6 good maps and 10 bad ones and somehow most of Splatoon 1's good maps were those that didn't return in 2.
@@lol-ih1tl Nintendo has always believed in "3rd times the charm" so they saved those 6 good maps for 3
@@unl3ash3d95 Splatoon 3 has a total of 4 maps confirmed so far (3 at launch, 1 in the updates). So it needs 2 more.
And here comes crammed Splatoon 3 dancing in 😂
This aged so badly oh my god I'm genuinely saddened
For whatever reason, people get attached to gimmicky or bad maps in shooters. Look at TF2 for example, where 2fort is the most popular map in the game. 2fort is horribly choke heavy and has no time limit, leading to several-hour long stalemates becoming commonplace.
The only reason that people like 2fort is because of nostalgia
...I mean, this is TF2 we're talking about. When you have hours to spare, hours-long games which can devolve into just about anything can be fun, and you can make new friends/play with your IRL ones anytime.
i think people treat 2fort as the deathmatch mode for tf2. the place newbies go to not pay attention and just kinda shitpost and kill people. they get mad if you steal the intel.
though, what do i know? i only watched videos on the subject, i'd always just played payload lol
People like 2fort because it simplifies the classes to their most basic elements, meaning most of anyone can play 2fort well if they have good fundamentals. The map falls apart when the people playing are _too_ good at the game, resulting in a basically endless stalemate where neither side can gain any ground, which is part of the appeal and one of the main reasons people like to play on it.
Maps like 2fort, Hightower, and Turbine are popular because they are "basically" team deathmatch because of the lack of a timer, but that doesn't mean that other maps aren't also popular. Upward is probably the most popular map in the game behind 2fort and Hightower, and it's one of the better designed maps.
nope
"What the hell is this?"
Basically all the design choices from early splatoon 2
albacore focuses so much on being a beautiful map with beautiful scenery that it forgot how to make the map work for short range. imo its not as bad as shellendorf but definitely needs to be fixed.
The one point I think is wrong is that all maps having all modes is a bad thing. The only reason that is a bad thing is because we don't have control over which combinations we get with the rotation system. Variety is never a bad thing when it's optional.
I can understand the point but I don't agree. Variety but it being terrible just isn't worth it. Flounder heights is one of my favorite stages, and I want it back, but playing that stage on rainmaker is a horrible experience. If there was a world where less good map modes could be available in PBs only sure but Nintendo won't do that honestly.
@@ProChara "Nintendo won't do that honestly"
Can't argue with that lol
19:06 “dont port wahoo”
10 months later…
Wahoo in the game on launch
This aged well lmaoooooo
I've love to see you do a vid on the shifties, all of which were highly gimmicky and experimental, if you think any of them might serve as the foundations of a good ranked-mode stage. I think many of the gimmicks are a little extreme for ranked modes, but perhaps if you toned them down a little that would work well, or even just turned the gimmicks off for ranked like they do with Mako. Plus, a lot of us didn't play in many Splatfests and would love to see the stages shown off and talked about more.
yea i cant rank them well because ive barly played most of em but their intresting
This problems really affects me and I hope it gets fixed. I constantly find myself feeling cramped on Splatoon 2 stages especially if I play weapons I'm not used to. It also supports the fact that I don't have a favorite stage out of all the new ones in Splatoon 2.
18:48 living in a post spoon 3 launch world… it’s ironic what chara says with mahi in the background since s3 made it so tiny and destroyed the flank islands making it one of the most cramped and
In fun stages of s3
Not to mention that they made mid-match spawning hell, all you need is a blaster/long range weapon pressed up against the wall of the higher spawn block and you're stuck.
It's so much better now, thanks to the rework.
So this is why the game gets stale really fast on a play session
Mahi in 1: A dynamic map with good spots for long range weapons and multiple angles to counter them from
Mahi in 3:
Dynamic? Angles to counter long range weapons? Islands? What is all that nonsense? All you need are wide open spaces for snipers to dominate and no flank routes whatsoever as well as to destroy all the islands, leaving a shell of its former self. Yay!
Also S3 Mahi: gets renovations and becomes infinitely better.
19:06 "Don't port wahoo" that didn't age well
10:37 the sad thing is that if they gave it the split top layout that SZ and TC have it wouldn't be so terrible.
Splatoon 2:
1-2, maybe 3 viable methods of reaching mid
Splatoon 1:
Chara could spend a whole 15-20 minute video enumerating all the ways players could move into mid XD
eh...there is a bunch of ways to move into mid though.
WHAT THAT'S WHAT MAHI LOOKED LIKE!??!?!?!?? HOW DID THEY MESS THAT UP!?!?!?
IDK THEY FCKING KILLED THAT MAP
At first, I was thinking "what is he on about" but now, I'll never look at splatoon 2 the same again. (I have noticed some of this myself, I just never thought much of it.)
Prochara : I feel like splatoon 3 maps are going to be the best in the series
Nintendo : understood, we shall use tetris blocks as our map design and give them cover that feel out of place instead of blending them in the map to make them look like they are part of the decor.
Oh and uninkable walls, lots of them, this tottaly won’t almost completly invalidate the existence of one of our new movement options.
Don’t forget retroactively making their best four stages significantly worse for no reason at all!!
the splatoon series is like siblings in away
1 - very good, favoured in many ways, is the role model of the 3
2 - the awkward middle child that not a lot of ppl like but does have notable features/achievements
3 - (HOPEFULLY) as good if not better than 1 and 2 and builds on both games ideas
i just want a more fair game in terms of balancing :/ chargers vs splatlings debate shouldnt exist, maps favouring X amount of range is dumb to even think of, spam specials will bring this game to its knees (similar to what happened/happening in 2), etc
That's going to be the state of the franchise in the early Splatoon 3 era. But once Splatoon 3 is done with updates and Splatfests, the community will start appreciating 2 more, because by that point, all the Splatoon 2 little Timmies will be old enough for their opinions to matter on the internet.
As a Splatoon 1 veteran who got Splatoon 2 the year it launched, I think the only time I started to like Splatoon 2 was near the end of its life. Octo Expansion was amazing and I loved the lore that it brought, and the Final Fest was the most fun I ever had with the game (as well as emotional due to the final shifty station - genuinely the best part of Splatoon 2 was probably the Final Fest). But the game was horrid at launch and rarely got anything right... even the music at first in battles wasn't good (Wet Floor is terrible for Splatoon music) and the aesthetic in the first game was a lot better (90's kids aesthetics, just squid kids having fun with no parents around and being chaotic) compared to the second game (it had an oddly formal feeling to it as well as an early 2000's aesthetic... it wasn't bad but didn't fit the Splatoon feeling). I've hardly touched Splatoon 2 since the Final Fest because it's just not fun.
I have an idea. You could do a video about the rainmaker projectile. For example, if they bring back rainmaker in Splat 3, should it shoot like the one in Splat 1 or 2. Or maybe you have another idea, how the rainmaker could function. I feel like the rainmaker projectile in Splat 1 was too powerful, but in Splat 2 it's too underwhelming
Still finding the concept of eight Inklings filing their passports, packing bags, clearing security with ink weaponry (a headache, I assume) and boarding a multihour flight to play a three minute match at Museum
Don't forget about the Octolings
@@cake5392 True, it was nice to see octoslobs being anything other than gooey punching bags
Great video. I prefer Splatoon's gimmick stages because they were unique and chaotic in their own way in comparison to 2. Honestly I would still be playing 1 if my disk wasn't scratched. :(
same but my Wii U just doesn't turn on anymore 😭
man I really miss splatoon 1 map designs where there were these really fucked off areas wayyy off to the side of mid that could go an entire match without even being used once, but were very useful for creating wide flanks or for specific weapon types to take advantage of. Splatoon 1 maps just feel a lot more experimental and more like classic arena shooter maps like those found in the quake games or unreal tournament. I wish splatoon 3 had map designs that did similar things
bro what happened... like jeez...
now that i look at splatoon 1's maps it makes 2 and 3 feel so completely mistaken and homogeneous by comparison.. am i considering returning to splatoon 1?
@@yikes6758 i am thinking about getting a Wii u again... i really, really miss those maps
I still play Splatoon 1. The wait times are obviously longer than they used to be, but it's still very playable
i remember when i used to get lost in those areas and omg it felt like an adventure finding ur way around and learning the maps, oh how i miss good map designs
And you’d usually expect Splatoon 3 to knock it out of the park since it’s all about diversity in this game, mainly with the cultures. So maybe they could’ve made the stages unique and full of variety instead of going with the generic Splatoon 2 stages route. In fact they could’ve brought back the Splatoon 2 Shifty Stages if they’re gonna spice it up a lot more or make stages feel similar to that, those were the best parts about Splatoon 2.
i wonder if chara will make a splatoon 3 version of this seeing how splatoon 3 is at its current condition
This is very good. You articulate what I think but don't realize why I like or don't like it. For example, I never liked Flounder bc it is a horrible Hydra map but never thought about that being why.
praying the new map designers see this video, u make rlly solid points here and it'd suck if they repeat their mistakes
There are so many maps where they could add some ink rails, and/or ride rails that would make them so much better, like in manta, a ride rail that goes from the left side near spawn on that low platform where the clam basket is to the enemy side on their right where snipers perch, the ride rail would travel along the outside of the stage and I feel like this would be really nice for the map. For inkblot, they should make the right side wall in the low area inkable so you can swim upwards toward the enemy spawn and flank. Moray could add more ink rails that let you take alternative routes to get up on the enemy side, and so much more. These would give more counter play to chargers camping in almost unreachable areas and make the game more fun.
if nintendo was willing to admit that they can mess up and make big changes in an update the games would be much better imo. they could change what mpu does on certain weapons, revamp rotations and map mode combinations, etc.
Think about this.... in splatoon 3, they went out of their way to make the best stages worse.....let that sink in.
Than made all original Splatoon 3 maps the same design of forcing everyone into the middle like they did with the maps from 2.
Why couldn’t they just keep mahi mahi the same from the first game??? 😔
I swear I'm not a bot guys, I just have way too much free time on my hands.
Same
Yesn't
Just what a bot would say hmmmm
uh huh .
6:28 and along with that, the tc map layout has the extended side which helps for pushing, good for things like midrange to fire from and defend tower
My guess is that some kind of development overhead happened at the last second and the dev team was forced to rework all the maps to be "simpler" in 3
My guess too. They were like: "It's too complicated, everyone should be able to remember the maps as fast as possible and we want to attract more kids." Pretty sad and I don't actually think that simple stages are more popular in Splatoon, no matter if we talk about kids, teens or adults, it's probably the opposite
Finally, someone voicing my thought and it's someone who's actually good at the game.
he Gimmick thing is by far the most important thing to be- I haven't played Splatoon 1 since I got 2, and the maps from 1 are still far more memorable for me and I was really young then. I really wan Mahi-Mahi, Hammerhead Bridge, and (I'm pretty sure this is an unpopular opinion) Saltspray Rig back since I loved them back in the day. I'm also mega hyped for Museum making a comeback.
The forced-mids thing isn't something I (an extremely casual and not good player) noticed but you bringing it up really made me realise that.
Just a question am i the only one that loves shellendorf (idk the English spelling but I’m talking about the stage with glass)
@Agostino Polisi why? I don’t get what’s the problem with the stage (besides in clamp blitz okay)
its one of the better stages after the rework
@@ProChara Funnily enough I loved the pre-rework Shellendorf but it lost a lot of what I liked after the rework.
The map I want to return the most in Splatoon 3 is The Reef (such a good stage minus the trees) and the least one I want back is Moray Towers. (It's just... yuck.)
Splatoon 2 has sooo many flaws to even be considered a good (competitive) game imo, but the stages take the cake. It's like being forced to play on stages like Brinstar Depths, The Great Cave Offensive, Golden Plains etc. in Smash Ultimate.
The Great cave offensive is probably the worst stage in Smash Bros histroy
This video is very well made! I’ve always felt splatoon 2 maps didn’t feel as fun as splatoon 1, and now I know. Thanks for the informative video! :)
9:26 did you just call blackbelly solid? *dies*
it has limited entry but not splat 2 level bad, and it favors short range but long range can work on it, it more suffers from splat 2 specials
its ass on tc/cb though, rainmaker/turf they made spawn bigger which fixed it, and its good on sz
I thought rainmaker on piranha pit was amazing lol. I love the openness it just feels great
I've always wondered why I disliked Splat Zones so much more in Splatoon 2 than 1. For a very long time I thought Splat Zones is a mode where camping decides who wins and I blamed the mode itself. Yet the maps are mostly at fault by not giving the player enough approach options that make camping kust tremendously easier
its so fucking funny the maps u showed as bad examples ALL came back to 3
I hope the Splat 3 stages will have more gimmicks from the story mode like the trampolines. I think they were in one splatfeststage but i don't remember it clearly.
I refuse to play any ranked matches on Camp Triggerfish. I've lost way too many matches there that eventually I just had enough.
“Don’t port wahoo”
Welp
At least we got Mahi Mahi, hammerhead, and what almost looks certainly like flounder heights
Dude I love your content! I’d love to see a ranking of the stages from Splatoon 1 and 2 and what makes them so good in even more detail perhaps in a tier list style video? (You don’t have to but it would be really cool :) ).
yea maybe sometime, its hard to rank because how good a stage is can depend on the game/specials/meta itst in
Now that Splatoon 3 is out splatoon 2 doesn't have the worst maps anymore...
Except Hagglefish you're okay in my book.
Now that S3 is almost at the end of its cycle, S2 is back to having the worst maps.
ngl i’m gonna miss the bell sound effect when you clicked the subscribe button at the beginning of the video
dw its not gone, I just decided to not always use it. Usually depends what I say during the segment
At this point we aint learning from Nintendo, Nintendo is learning from us(and with US I mean You)
This design philosophy made its way to Splatoon 3 especially with the Mahi Mahi Resort redesign being the most egregious
I’d personally argue it’s far worse in 3, but who am i to judge?
@@autismandgaming4532 oh no NOW it is. Brinewater Springs is probably the least inspired map design so far in the series, the lay out was seemingly made in 30 minutes.
@@nandernugget And I somehow hate Mahi even more
Never did I thought that splatoon 1 or splatoon 2 had bad maps. Only that I missed some splatoon 1 maps.
This explains so well I don't like Splat Zone too much in general, the other modes utilize the whole map layout better and feels more things going on.
I always found it weird how people explain Splatoon 1 as this game where it's so easy to die and unfair, the specials may be broken but there's so many ways to move that it really rewards playing smartly and you very rarely feel fenced in or like there's no escape options. My favourite map is Flounder Heights because there's so much verticality and you can zip around the map really fast to get from one point to another. About the only thing I dislike with Flounder Heights is spawn and even that has a lot of breathing room, as well as high ground to shoot at intruders below and a few good exit options. Mahi Mahi Resort is also a liked one of mine because the changing water level is a cool mechanic and those little islands are a good but risky option to come into mid, which makes it feel more exciting when you manage to catch the opposing team by surprise. Overall I just think Splatoon 1 gave people more breathing room and movement options which made things like inking walls to climb on them more of an impactful mechanic. The variety also made each map feel more distinct and interesting to play on. As an aside, I dislike the amount of non-inkable surfaces in Splatoon 2 because it just feels like it takes away a lot of options and it favours certain weapon types heavily. It also goes against the whole point of Splatoon for me tbh if they're going to just force you to walk around like a normal shooter to get certain places. Uninkable surfaces are good in moderation but I feel like Splatoon 2 overused them. I'm glad that so far, Splatoon 3 seems like it'll bring the energetic movement of 1 back a bit more. I'm really hoping the maps live up to that as well.
"I feel like Splatoon 3 is gonna have the best maps that we've ever seen"
ooh, yeah about that...
This video aged like milk
So you got a game with strong melee choices and the way to balance it is by forcing everyone down a hall way? Brah
Tbh I’m really hoping Wahoo gets ported just because I love the theme, the boardwalk amusement park look was really cool. Maybe they can rework it tho?
It can definitely be reworked like adding ride rails which would be very fun and also make the bridge stay there permantly
@@cake5392 yeah, maybe creating side alleys could help. Maybe that little section on the right that you get to with the ride rail could be extended further? Kinda like the side alleys in urchin idk
Well.... History repeats itself I guess
I agree with everything you aid, but there are some maps like reef that work fine on all modes, so I'm fine if they bring it back, but yeah stuff like that sucks. Another problem with it is that it changes the way you need to play. For example, on sz, tc, and CB, blackbelly is seen as a small map that is quite easy to access the objective from spawn. On rm, however, not saying that it's bad, but it now becomes huge map that favors sting ray and stalling. Same for mako. On most of the modes, Your spawn is very close to mid with a lot of ways to get there. You got the main way, but also the inkrail and flank routes on the left and right. On rainmaker, however, you spawn at the top of a cliff with only one main way to leave and is instead heavily centered around the areas near spawn and not the map as a whole. I just wish stuff like this would be way better in 3, and not just that, but make maps specifically for certain modes.
Unfortunately for your list of desires towards the end there, but Wahoo did indeed return. Wahoo was always a map I never knew how exactly I felt about, when it released, I really liked it, but as time went on, I would shift between liking it, being indifferent about it, and disliking it proportional more or less to how often I was playing on it with the more frequently I was playing it correlating to a shift in the negative, but I was never sure is that was the stages fault or just me desiring more variety in the maps that happened to be available while I was online.
12:16 "where else are you gonna find an experience like those maps?" in hell
I want salt spray rig back real bad in 3. Had a lot of fun on that in one.
I thought I was the only one who thought it was too easy to lock people out on Port Mackerel zones.
I just really want more special gimmicks.
Albacore < Mahi because besides annoying run-only areas it’s really nothing special!!
Museum > Inkblot since the moving platforms are just *super* cool.
Saltspray > Walleye. Verticality and unique layout. Also the moving grid is awesome and I wish more construction-themed maps had moving equipment.
I had a thought what if there were tunnels so you can go under ground to mid
you mean something like sector 4 in Octo Valley (splat1 single player area)?
that would actually be pretty cool
“I feel like splatoon 3 is gonna have the best maps that we’ve ever seen” yeah so that unfortunately didn’t fuckin happen lol. It’s actually baffling to me how everything in splatoon 3 except map design feels significantly better than any of the previous games but the maps feel 10x worse than ANYTHING in splat 1&2. How do they keep dropping the ball this hard on it when they nearly perfected it 7 years ago…
splatoon 3’s maps (eeltail/scorch) were actually so much better in their trailers compared to the actual release state, which is probably why he thought we’d be getting good maps in 3
New developers. People tend to forget that these games are made by people, and there were significantly different people behind the Splatoon 1 maps and the Splatoon 3 maps. And guess what they did right after Splatoon 3 was announced? They sent out a recruitment post for devs to create Splatoon stages. The stages in Splatoon 3 were the result of a fresh faced fumbling dev team who didn’t know what they were doing and wanted to make their mark on the series.
@@noizepusher7594 I didn't know the designer recruitment was a thing, It can be a possibile reason why the maps are like this but blaming everything on the new designers Is kind of a stretch.
@@Dula8207 how is it a stretch? Noticeable decline in map quality because of inexperienced developers who were bad at their jobs. Simple cause and effect. They sent out a recruitment post *specifically* for map designers to make changes to the old maps, and the changes made to old maps were bad, seems like they hired inexperienced people who didn’t know how to design Splatoon maps.
@@noizepusher7594 because splat 2 maps are also bad and because Nintendo hasn't said anything about it.
Splatoon 1’s map was soooo fun. It had a lot of verticality, or at least I remember it being so.
How do we tell em...
Routes? Just spam superjumps and expose your hiding teammates getting you and them killed, or switch mains so you get squid beacon, even if you can’t play that weapon! Easy fix each time :)
In all seriousness, I agree. I loved maps like mahi mahi and heights, and I was dissappointed when they weren’t in Splatoon 2 :/
2 feels like they were trying to be more focused and give you a better line of sight without understanding fully what made maps work in the first place. 3 has some strangeness but feels way more focused
splatoon 3 seems to be rectifying this problem by simply redirecting everyone's ire towards the new mahi-mahi resort
Bruh wHY does Nintendo want to torture us with this new map design even the upcoming Flounder Heights looks terrible they made it so short 😓
True, I saw a photo of the new design and I am not liking it. Flounder Heights was one of my favorite maps, not just for how it looked, but the layout and wide variety of ways to approach, especially with all the places you could hide on the walls. I don't like how the new version shrinks the walls down.
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This didnt age well, I hate splatoon 3 maps 😭
It seems that most maps are just unfair to chargers in general in both games. I love that the weapon requires skill to play but most weapons are heavily outclassed by it. Mostly by jet squelchers. Actually jet squelchers in general should have their damage REDUCED just so that splatlings and chargers may have an actual chance.
Whenever Walleye was in rotation my soul screamed for mercy.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on the Shifty Station stages
Same, though I feel like I know what the verdict will be with many of them, since a good chunk of them have even worse mid-stages than the normal maps.
The Trick vs Treat Shifty Station is a war crime.
19:03 "Don't port Wahoo World" didn't really work put, I guess
Honestly, I kind of like Wahoo in 3. Idk, I used to hate it in 2. Now it's grown on me
@@justicicle9673 your day be so fine. . .then BOOM, Wahoo pole.
Does Splatoon 2 still have the worst ones now that we have the same stage with slight alterations 11 times?
When you made this comment: no
Now: yes
spoiler alert:
THOSE FOOLS PORTED WAHOO WORLD
I really like wahoo world but I understand how it can be frustrating for the main option to get to mid just disappears
It's one of my favorite s2 stages but might be my absolute favorite if it didn't have the gimmick
I feel like it would be cool to add some of the mechanics from hero mode, like moving objects and inkfurlers, to the turf war/ranked stages, around the edge of the stage, as a sort of risky flanking option.
I really like the moving platforms in Port Mackerel for that, I'd be down for more terrain like that.