7 Tools that should cost more than they do - You need to know about them!
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
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Tools recommended in this video:
- Joint Master Dowel Jig: amzn.to/410IK1z
- #ISOtunes 10% off discount (code is automatically entered when you use this link, discount will show when you checkout.) shop.isotunes.com/stumpy
- BORA 3-1/4HP, 4-1/2” Router Motor (base is also available): amzn.to/3MqG33t
- CBN Grinding Wheels (The discount wheels are called “Spartan”): woodturnerswonders.com/pages/...
- Router Lift Digital Read-out: www.chipsfly.com/ez-view-remo...
- Workbench Accessories:
1. Vertical bench clamp (Taylor Tools): lddy.no/134w3
2. Horizontal bench clamp (Taylor Tools): lddy.no/134w4
3. Bench dogs (Taylor Tools): lddy.no/1i6s3
- Bridge City Squares: bridgecitytools.com/
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(ISOtunes, Chipsfly.com, Milescraft, Woodturners Wonders, Taylor Tools Bridge City Tools are partners of Stumpy Nubs Woodworking Journal)
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Please help support us by using the link above for a quick look around!
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1:17 Joint Master
3:38 ISO Tunes
4:49 Router Motor
6:54 CBN Wheels
8:33 Router Lift DRO
10:38 Workbench Accessories
12:06 Bonus!
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★SOME OF MY FAVORITE INEXPENSIVE TOOLS★
- #ISOtunes Hearing Protection (Save 10%): bit.ly/3BHYdH7
-123 Blocks: lddy.no/vpij
-Mechanical Pencils: amzn.to/2PA7bwK
-Lumber pencil: amzn.to/2QtwZjv
-Pocket Measuring Tape: amzn.to/2kNTlI9
-Nut/Bolt/Screw Gauge: amzn.to/2CuvxSK
-Self-Centering Bits: amzn.to/2xs71UW
-Steel Ruler: lddy.no/10mv7
-Center-Finding Ruler: lddy.no/10nak
-Bit & Blade Cleaner: amzn.to/2TfvEOI
-Narex Chisels: lddy.no/sqm3
-Mini Pull Saw: amzn.to/2UEHBz6
-Shinwa Rulers: lddy.no/zl13
-BOW Featherboards: amzn.to/430ldhv
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*Tools recommended in this video:*
- Joint Master Dowel Jig: amzn.to/410IK1z
- #ISOtunes 10% off discount (code is automatically entered when you use this link, discount will show when you checkout.) shop.isotunes.com/stumpy
- BORA 3-1/4HP, 4-1/2” Router Motor (base is also available): amzn.to/3MqG33t
- CBN Grinding Wheels (The discount wheels are called “Spartan”): woodturnerswonders.com/pages/cbn-wheels-sharpen-like-a-pro
- Router Lift Digital Read-out: www.chipsfly.com/ez-view-remote-router-lift-dro-with-backlit.html
- Workbench Accessories:
1. Vertical bench clamp (Taylor Tools): lddy.no/134w3
2. Horizontal bench clamp (Taylor Tools): lddy.no/134w4
3. Bench dogs (Taylor Tools): lddy.no/1i6s3
- Bridge City Squares: bridgecitytools.com/
(If you use one of these affiliate links, we may receive a small commission)
(ISOtunes, Chipsfly.com, Milescraft, Woodturners Wonders, Taylor Tools Bridge City Tools are partners of Stumpy Nubs Woodworking Journal)
★THIS VIDEO WAS MADE POSSIBLE BY★
*My hand tool collection includes premium tools from Bridge City Tool Works:* bridgecitytools.com/
*Please help support us by using the link above for a quick look around!*
0:00 Chapters
1:17 Joint Master
3:38 ISO Tunes
4:49 Router Motor
6:54 CBN Wheels
8:33 Router Lift DRO
10:38 Workbench Accessories
12:06 Bonus!
*Some other useful links:*
-Check out our project plans: stumpynubs.com/product-category/plans/
-Instagram: instagram.com/stumpynubs/
-Twitter: twitter.com/StumpyNubs
★SOME OF MY FAVORITE INEXPENSIVE TOOLS★
- #ISOtunes Hearing Protection (Save 10%): bit.ly/3BHYdH7
-123 Blocks: lddy.no/vpij
-Mechanical Pencils: amzn.to/2PA7bwK
-Lumber pencil: amzn.to/2QtwZjv
-Pocket Measuring Tape: amzn.to/2kNTlI9
-Nut/Bolt/Screw Gauge: amzn.to/2CuvxSK
-Self-Centering Bits: amzn.to/2xs71UW
-Steel Ruler: lddy.no/10mv7
-Center-Finding Ruler: lddy.no/10nak
-Bit & Blade Cleaner: amzn.to/2TfvEOI
-Narex Chisels: lddy.no/sqm3
-Mini Pull Saw: amzn.to/2UEHBz6
-Shinwa Rulers: lddy.no/zl13
-BOW Featherboards: amzn.to/430ldhv
(If you use one of the affiliate links above, we may receive a small commission)
Hey, as a fan for quite a while now, may I offer a piece of feedback on thumbnails? In general when I see your thumbnails in my recommended, they make me doubt whether it's a new video, or a old one I've already seen that's being served up to me again. It's because the thumbnails are pretty low resolution, use a lot of graphic elements (and especially text/logos) for current trends, use mostly washed out colors in the background, and generally don't show a thing that is "new to this video" (although cool tools is a bit of an exception to this last one).
My understanding is that recommended is where a lot of people get their videos nowadays, so it seemed important enough to bring this up, even if not directly related to this video specifically. Hope this helps, i love the channel, keep up the good work!
Thanks to these videos my workshop now contains: 9 tools that should fit on my wall but don't, 8 tools that I wish I bought sooner, 7 tools that I thought I needed but don't, 6 tools that cost less than I expected, 5 golden things, 4 tools that I borrowed but never returned, 3 tools that I never knew were essential but were, 2 tools that I thought were essential but weren't and 1 piece of wood. 🤣
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Very funny, but sadly contains more than a grain of truth for far too many of us! 😂😂😂
Oh damn, we hit the Three Kings of Golden Tools...
You need 1 more for 10, then you'll have the 10 days of tools. "On the first day of..." 🎶
Tools I forgot I bought.
The Milescraft jig is pretty sweet, but why would I buy this jig for less than $100 when I can buy a Festool Domino for $1300?
I had no clue PC stopped making router motors. Thx for the heads up in case one dies.
This dude should do audio books, so soothing😂
Agreed! So should John Michael Godier.
He can't read unless he's drunk. Then he just drops F bomb after F bomb.
That's what I do.. find a 30 min video.. start... then fall asleep! Love it
@MCsCreations what's his channel name??
@RockyTopSplash Event Horizon and this own name. On Event Horizon he does interviews. 😊
Taytools clamps: worth their weight in gold, but only cost tin. Totally worth it!
Stanley Black & Decker now owns Porter Cable. Should explain everything regarding the PC routers.
Thanks a bunch for all suggestions, James! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Great timing. I've been looking for a dowel jig that holds more firmly to the piece I'm making holes in. Excellent!
12:06 Missed opportunity for a tagline "be there _and_ be square".
Bora has some good stuff at good prices. I bought a CNN wheel 2 years ago thanks to you, and it’s still going strong.
The final blurb for Bridge City Tools had a very Dr.Suess-like cadence. Well done! 😊
I picked up the isotunes earbuds recently. I love them.
Thanks. I've been looking for a dowel jig for a while. This one looks pretty good
Yes these are very useful and reasonably priced. Thanks for sharing your cool tools.
Good stuff, James. Thank you.
CBN wheels in a production shop last 5 or so years. My last efforts with friable wheels, I got less than 6 months. I have been using them for over 10 years now. Like you said, I will never go back to standard wheels again.
Excellent. I appreciate your connection and available discounts to viewers. It also connects us to manufacturers for future purchases if their tools prove to be quality. IsoTunes is one of my favorite non-woodworking accessories. I use them often for shop work and even mowing my lawn. Anything loud. I also get good clear reception of Pandora music as well as phone calls. I have had a set for quite some time now and they perform as well as when I bought them. Thanks.
I bought the Joint Master right after watching this. It’s a terrific tool with a lot of flexibility. But my heart still belongs to my Stanley No 59 dowel jig.
Well, my Christmas budget has just been shot to hell 🤣
i love Milescraft. i used their portable pocket hole jig for years (until i had a large project that made a getting a bigger jig more time efficient). loved it and served me well
I can vouch for the miles craft dowel jig being a quality item. I love it.
I also just recently bought the Taylor vertical vertical bench clamp and it rocks! Why did I wait so long to buy one? I’m going to get another soon.
Thanks for the information James. Stay safe around there. Fred.
Similar to digital gauge i purchased the mcls pro lift a number of years ago. It's got both a foot pedal to raise and lower plus Bluetooth app that allows repeatable cuts. Love it and then last year added incra fence system and because incra goofed on table size they sent me large table for same cost as smaller. I really can't say enough about the combination of the two systems. Really wonderful. If looking to invest in router table lift system check it out, was worth the price at least 3-4 years ago
Thanks
Awesome video thanks
Many thanks for sharing!!
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Exactly, A beginner Woodworker should know that. Most of them have misconceptions about these tools' costs.
Just ordered some Isotunes! Thank you James!
That dowelling jig looks very smart - I recently used a cheap plastic jig to drill some cross dowels as part of a repair and, whilst it got the job done, it was not a pleasure to use and I spent 3x more than the jig on extra clamps to keep everything aligned and square.
great tips, thanks
Nice. Thank you 😊
You don’t know how much I love this rough bench that you have. To me, it looks like something I would do - to use and abuse. My uncle had an old bench that he never used anything to secure, just nails and pieces of wood to hold his workpieces. I’ve never done something like that… but it seems liberating.
Wonderful news. Thank you for sharing. Everyone stay safe, happy, warm and healthy. From Henrico County Virginia
As a not-expert carpenter it can be hard to be discerning when it comes to product recommendations here on RUclips. I can only imagine the pressure you must get from manufacturers given your large audience who respects and trusts you. I had been looking for a pocket hole jig and wasn’t very enthusiastic about the Blue Plastic one, and now within 48 hours of watching this video I have in hand this gorgeous METAL Enjoywood jig. It was an almost brainless decision and now I can spend my few remaining brain cells building cabinets, and with the cost savings over the Kreg model I bought the mallet too. Thanks!!
James, I always enjoy your Cool Tools segments. More often than not I end up buying something. Today I bought the the vertical and horizontal clamps from Taylor Tools; and for joy I got free shipping! Who needs Amazon.😀
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More things I didn’t know I needed .
Thanks for the info and sources.
Another great one thanks!
Thanks, great video! I lived the Dr Seuss style plug for the squares; I'll definitely have to check those out!
I love my ISOTUNES! I highly recommend! I have the AWARE earbuds and they are super handy.
I have this one, really nice, I built a bed frame with it for all small rails.
Great video.
Thanks James been waiting for a new new episode of cool tool’s great deals as always thanks for sharing
I took a chance on the Milescraft dowel jig and am quite pleased with its versatility. Just make sure that you use it correctly. Make sure you tighten the clamp side of the jig on the correct side of each board before drilling so that your mating boards align smoothly.
Proper reference point is the bane of my existence.
Some nice tools.
10:58 Taytools needs to offer those in 20mm for the thousands of us who use MFT style benches.
OMG, you turned on the power switch while holding the router!!!1! /s :D
just ordered the dowel jig! thru the link
I've been holding off on adding a set of ISOTunes earbuds to relieve the glasses head pinch I get while wearing the headphones. 20% off just made the decision for me. Thank you, good sir!
Great time to be a Wings fan.
Cool tools introduced by a cool guy 🌞
I know this is a subjective view but I like the new hair cut. I personally believe how we present ourselves is a tool in life and a hair cut can make a big difference. A well defined haircut will present an yourself as someone who is respected and experienced. We all know you know what you are talking about but it’s that extra one percent that really rounds out the package. In no way do I want you to think in disrespecting your old style, I only mean to imply that I feel you have a more mature look to you and it’s something that I noticed first thing when watching this video.
Cool stuff
Great stuff, as usual. You dropping some lbs, my guy? Looking good!
I don't know if you'd be interested in this, but it'd be really sweet if we could get a massive cool tools video covering different budgets and skill levels for the holiday season. A lot of the tools you cover are just too expensive or require other tools not everyone has
Expendables are a great super low-budget gift item for woodworkers. I know I could never have too many chip brushes, sand papers, saw blades, etc.
I include tools for multiple budgets in every episode, and I do three episodes at the end of the year.
Indeed you do sir. And for that singular piece, you deserve our (your audiences) respect. I do not profess to represent your ENTIRE audience, but for those of us on simple budgets, you DO cover the gamete. Thanks again.@@StumpyNubs
I AGREE about Milescraft !!!!!
I have been only happy with the ones I have not !!! 👍🏽☺️.
Awesome! I have the doweling by milescraft
I would like to see you do a segment on the various after market tool rests for bench grinders
I'm a big Bridge City fan and have many of their products, including a Jointmaster Pro V2. However, the last square I bought from them was around 5 degrees out of square. That caused me a lot of problems until I realized why. It was very disappointing, but you can't trust even the most expensive brands, apparently. Always check new tools for square, folks !
Oh, and I bought a Tormek Sharpening system, so there's not much point in the CBN wheels for me.
What did they say when you contacted them about it?
thanks for sharing!
And dayum, Bridge City sale until end of today be like wow. Finally picked up that UG-1 I've always wanted :D
Is the jessum dowel jig better or is this one good enough?
Closing out the fall? It doesn't end until 3/4s of the way into December!
Just bustin your chops - love your stuff Stumpy!
bought a milescraft drill press attachment for your regular drill for cutting holes in glass. a piece was missing from the package. contacted them, shipped me out the little thing immediately. i like milescraft.
Yass, COOL TOOLS
For dowels you simply cannot beat the DowelMax. I love mine.
It is the best one out there, but out of a lot of people's budgets.
What I love about it is the accuracy. For example I had a project for some large built in cabinets where i needed to join two sections of plywood about 60" long. I used the Dowelmax to put dowels along the length, probably about 10-12. It fit like a glove. The seam is invisible. The best part is that I did not even need to measure, just butt up against the end of board then use the step & repeat of the jig.
Great video as always. I was curious if there was a video in which the the back ground storage / tool and book display discussed. I'd really like to know more about that build.
Not yet. It isn't finished.
That doweling jig looks really good, especially because the one I have (the excellent one from Banggood featured on Hooked on Wood) is incredibly good for doing edge and 90º joinery, but doesn't allow me to easily put together legs and aprons for a table or bench.
The Dowelmax would be perfect for that, but it's impossible for me to buy in my country. The new Jessem one I could manage, but it would be incredibly expensive and the metric version hasn't been released yet. I can get the jig from this video, though, and it would be much more affordable for me. Can anyone weigh in on whether or not this one is comparable to the Dowelmax or the Jessem?
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Having a difficult time aligning the Kodiak jig to the CBN wheel per the setup instructions (at different tilts the squareness changes), and the tool holder doesn't span the width of any blade. Thought I saw you briefly using a different tool holder in a previous video, but WTW didn't seem to have anything similar-looking on their site. Can you talk about actually getting set up square for grinding the primary bevel on a chisel or plane blade with Kodiak?
I have and use the Kodiak system. It should not change in relation to the wheel when you tilt it. I would contact WTW about it. They are wonderful people that will help you out.
Hello James, I'm a big fan and have purchased a couple of your "Cool Tools" picks in the past. I've wanted to upgrade my router table for a while and was excited to see the Bora 3.25 HP motor available. But when I read the Amazon reviews got spooked. The reviews appeared to be from pro shops so I paid attention. Their assessment was not good, one star! You may want to contact the Bora folks and get to the bottom of the the criticisms. You have a great reputation as a "honest broker" so I wanted to give you a heads up. Thanks for all your work over the years keeping the woodworking community informed.
The reviews are from the older version. But if you have reservations, follow your instincts. It's a big purchase.
Hi. That isotunes coupon doesn't work in the UK. Wonder if they could issue one for us too. Great video.
There really should be a PSA at the beginning or end of these videos that tells people how to contact Tool Buyers Anonymous for those of us that have a problem.
also the bridge city plug at the end felt like a dr seuss book was being read to me lol
just got my first Bridge City square in the mail today!! (I got the 6" double square) I love the weight of it and I can't wait to use it to finish up a project this weekend! Thought I was kind of surprised at how shallow the laser etchings are. I know you've been using yours for ages, have you seen any signs of wear on yours?? I'm assuming they hold up fine since you're still working them though lol
I inherited my dad's who used it for a few years and I've used it since his passing for 7 years and it hasn't been an issue at all. I also have a newer one and the etching is just as deep as the older one so shouldn't be an issue
Bridge city squares are the rolls Royce of squares. In price atleast lol
No signs of wear on any of mine. The etching is comparable to my Starrett.
@@StumpyNubs awesome, thanks! can't wait for the next video!
@@woodworkingandepoxy643 oh wow! can't wait to hand mine down some day!
Woodworking season? Interesting. I was just thinking I need to hurry up and get all my last minute projects done because it's getting too cold for woodworking. Not to mention dark too early (especially after next week with the time change).
Too cold for lacquer, anyway.
Great video. I have a Woodcraft 8" slow speed grinder. what grit CBN wheels should I purchase for lathe tools thanks scott
This video explains grit recommendations: ruclips.net/video/Kymip4Ix4JA/видео.html
Love your videos. However, I don’t understand your router profile example. If you take a router bit out of the collet, how can you be sure to reinstall it at the same height? I’ve always thought the bit should be set a little off the bottom of the collet. Thus, I can’t be sure the bit is in the same place in the collet. What am I missing here?
You raise the bit flush with the table and zero the display out at that point.
there are a new goingmake woodworking tool, I’m hesitant to buy it. do you have time to check them? and maybe it is the affordable tools for us.
How many hand planers are necessary though?
Thanks Stumpy. Some great new tools. Did you do a video on Tay Tools drill press sharpening jig for chisels? I bought the system but there were no plans for the jig. Thanks. 😊
If you go to the page where you bought the kit (lddy.no/1i3mb), there is a link to the plans right at the top of the product description (the text section).
James - I also own a Sjobergs bench. The biggest issue is the larger dog holes that don’t work with 3/4” items. So frustrating and I noticed in your vid that you showcase all those hold down items on a different bench. What all do you use on your bench? I just end up making stuff for the 1” holes.
I have 1-inch dogs and holdfasts for my Sjobergs bench. They are quite expensive (Sjobergs brand, you can find them on Amazon). I have considered adding a row of 3/4" holes in the benchtop, but I haven't had the nerve to do it, yet.
You're rum 'un James, and no mistake. That wee joke from 9:17 to 9:25 properly cracked me up. Joking aside, I started placing an order, but stopped when it was going to cost me almost exactly the same to ship as to buy doubling the cost. I'll still go ahead if I can't adapt some sort of DRO locally. Just one question regards it giving repeatability. You would need to bottom the bit in the collet for that work. I know some folk prefer to lift the bit just a fraction to reduce heat transfer. I can't make my mind up how valid that is. I am sure that the collet will hold the bit without it moving - metal lathe collets have a massive end load on them without the workpiece slipping. I have been using my ISOtunes ear defenders more just recently. I still can't wear them for hours on end, but they are effective and OK for a hour or two.
You don't bottom the bit in the collet. you install it as you normally would, then raise it so the tip is flush with the table top. Zero the DRO out there with a push of a button.
The link for the center finding ruler is broken. I was able to find it by looking on the website and doing a search, though.
Anyone know how the, "Router Lift Digital Read-out", keeps consistent readings across bit changes? Stumpy used that as an example. I'm wondering how the bit position in the collet is accounted for.
You zero out the bit with the table top and then zero the read-out. This makes it repeatable. The devices work very well.
After you install the bit you will raise the router so that the bit's tip is flush with the table top- zero inches above the table. There is a "zero" button on the DRO that resets the display at that point and it will measure any movement up or down from there.
I tried to take advantage of the link for iso tunes but they don't ship to New Zealand 😣
How about commenting on JointMaster versus JointPro?
Would love to see the other end of the digital readout how does it mount, what does it read off. Can it be used on any type of fence set up as well?
If you click the link, you can download the installation instructions.
@@StumpyNubs cool. Thanks. I’ll check it out
On the digital router height thing you said you can change bits or whatever but what don't make sense to me is the shaft of the bit isn't gonna be in exactly the same depth in the collet so how does it adjust for that? Does it work with the Bosch 1617 with no specialized lift, just the built in raise&lower or only stuff like the kreg&jessem. Thanks
The bit length, or even how deep it is in the collet doesn't matter. After you install the bit you will raise the router so that the bit's tip is flush with the table top- zero inches above the table. There is a "zero" button on the DRO that resets the display at that point and it will measure any movement up or down from there.
@@StumpyNubs ok thanks for replying, makes sense now
So years ago you promoted the Ready2Route system which had digital adjustments for both the fence in the lift. You could duplicate any setup and repeat it exactly and save it to memory if you used that setup often. Do you still have that Ready2Route system and ever use it? I bought one many years ago after seeing your video recommending it and I love it. The accuracy is beyond anything else out there and I use it all the time!
I still have it, but I don't have a router table that the plate will fit into anymore. I have considered getting their new version to try out, though.
I am just a hobbyist but I have mine mounted on a Rockler router table bolted to a moveable stand and it works great for me. The lift and fence have all the room they need to move. The new one is a whole lot more expensive then the ready2route and doesn't look like it does anything different?
I just bought Milescraft Joint Master Dowel Jig but to I have to return it since the Milescraft 1332 Joint Mate works better for me. If you do more of surface or corner joints, it may be for you. But for me that uses edge to edge more, Joint master is less efficient that the Joint Mate. To make an edge to edge on Joint master you need to align the boards and make pencil lines. in Joint mate I can make joints without pencil marking the joints. I was hoping to upgrade to Joint master because of its better built, but for now I will stick to my Joint mate. I was dismayed that they made a product that it is not better than the old one.
im waiting untill next year to pick up the isotunes because theyre gonna upgrade everything to usb c which i am willing to wait for over using microusb
I‘m interested in the Isotune hearing protection, but I‘d need some specific sound blocked and some other specific sounds not blocked… (I‘m working with trains and there are some loud sound, that should be blocked and some other sounds, warning me from danger, so they shouldn’t be blocked)
I‘ll contact them via email, since they are a small family business, they might be able to help me with my very specific wishes, thank you for telling me about them!
I‘ll let you know, if they could help me 👍🏻
You'r lookin thinner to me. Very good.
that router table seemed a bit wobbly as you were cranking the bit op and down> Is it stable?
I have casters on it and those introduce some movement because they swivel. It's the compromise you make for greater mobility (I could have used the regular feet instead) but it has no affect on performance.
Great video. Would the router digital hight gauge work on table saws? After watching and subscribing to Stumpy Nubs for years I have come to the conclusion that the Detroit Red Wings Hockey franchise sponsors him. In every video he has the red insulated coffee front and center. Good for him even if they have nothing to do a sponsorship.
In principal, it would. But I don't think it would be possible to mount the parts that are under the table to a table saw's trunion.
I have tried two of the Milescraft dowel jigs that you showed. Unfortunately, both jigs had different issues that caused issues with accuracy. It is really close to being a great value, but from my experience it misses the mark with quality and precision.
I agree, I tried this jig, and I can't get properly alignment, and saw many people complaining about the same issue. I had more success with another simpler dowel from taytools, also suggested by this channel.
BTW, I meant to say that I am a big fan of this channel and look forward to the oracles wisdom!
It's too cold in my garage to woodwork this time of year.
I dunno if you got a new haircut, but I’m diggen the look my guy
Do you use your Tormek now that you have CBN wheels? If so, when?
I still use my Tormek, yes. My CBN wheels don't go up as fine in grit as a Tormek (although they do make pretty fine CBN wheels). I use CBN for grinding and shaping, Tormek for sharpening and honing. That said, I could eliminate my Tormek if I wanted to by getting really fine CBN and following that up with a power stropping wheel