And people who own nvidia are so satisfied they rarely follow these tech channels or pedantically checking for validation whether their card is better or not lol
@@tomthomas3499 Its fun to dismiss the intelligence of the average buyer but GPUs tend to be the most expensive component in a gaming PC or Laptop and its very likely that majority of users do at least rudimentary research dropping serious money on a gpu. Branding aside, unlike in CPU's with Ryzen vs Intel, in GPU's, most people just find Nvidia to be the better buy all things considered... features, price etc.
It's also unfortunately from past experience. All my friends shudder when I tell them me and my brother use amd gpus. They still think the drivers are terrible. I've had a mostly solid experience since I got my card.
Could be combination of unfortunately demand, also AMD tend to lean more on APU's with laptops, and their dedicated GPU's tend to run a bit hotter. I'm just spit balling here.
I've known plenty of people who play games on their PC. I've even known several friends who built their own PCs. I've never known a single person IRL who has done what I've done over the past 15 years with constantly buying top end hardware. Everyone buying near the top end of PC hardware and/or who upgrades their PC every 1-2 years is a tiny minority of PC gamers.
you dont need to upgrade every gen to watch these videos or find them interesting, i bought rx 480 before mining boom because i got sick of playstation asking for a monthly fee to play online. Got 6700 xt after mining boom, now i plan to buy Nvidia blackwell 5080 for AI and VR, unless they decrease the value again like they did with the 4000 series, i need vram goddamnit and if Nvidia wont give it to me, i will stick with AMD.
Only time I bought top-end was the 1080Ti- because the price to performance ratio was insane and in a weird way it ended up being a wise investment if you wanted to future-proof your system(which normally isn't something you should do when building a PC)...
@@__-fi6xg You used to be able to find $25-30 for a year of PS Plus and it was worth it, now it costs $70-80 a year. It's much more appealing to be on PC for me now. $80 a year for PS Plus is criminal if you ask me. Yes, it does offer some really good free monthly games, but if you just want to play games online it sucks.
Steve from Gamers Nexus asked a "major motherboard manufacturer" about 2 years ago what proportion of their sales was in the DIY / enthusiast space. They said about 10-15%, depending on whether you did it by revenue or volume. In decreasing order, their largest sales were laptops, desktop OEMs (e.g Dell office PCs), embedded / industrial, pre-builds, DIY / enthusiast, and finally servers. This is just to show how unrepresentative the DIY market is - and also explains why (for example) AMD has been dominating the DIY space in CPUs, but their overall sales are still way behind Intel
@@ilanwesterhof1897 Intel has 64% market share, AMD has 36%. You were saying? There isn't a single number that shows AMD dominating the CPU market. I invest in both companies, Intel has never lost to AMD ever. In AMDs entire company history they have never outsold Intel in a quarter. Call me little boy all you want, I'm older and smarter than you by long shot lmao.
@@ilanwesterhof1897 not you tried calling someone a little boy only for them to sit you down like their son. You got owned buddy get off the internet 🤣😂
@@Canuck-1976 Don't worry, most of us understood the joke and laughed. You did understand it was a joke but didn't laugh because you felt attacked on a personal level because you know you over-paid for your card and you're angry about it. Next time choose wisely, stop throwing your money away. Also, gl with that electricity bill and heat in summer.
the laptop arugment is weak though bc from ampere and some of pascal it shows "laptop" chip, 3060 is at much higher percentage even before the laptops lol
This. I know people on USA or EU get spicy deals on AMD gpus compared to Nvidia gpus, but usually AMD cards don't sell that much below Nvidia cards on rest of the world so people are saying why would I buy an AMD card (probably comes from older experiences) when I can buy Nvidia (better product in their eyes) at the similar price point.
Please understand that not every Steam user is surveyed and tech channels neglect to mention that. So its very very very unlikely that every gaming pc in those gaming cafe's is getting surveyed. When the user keeps changing on the same IP, steam probably doesn't survey that machine.
I'd say no, you'd still see more amd. Even if the poll favored amd, the overall gpu market is still heavily skwed to Nvidia(like 80% and 15% or smth). So amd is still the overall underdog, and the underdog theory would still apply.
another thing to consider is how data is collected on laptops. You will get a lot of intel, amd, etc from the iGPU being reported instead of the dedicated GPU.
@@BlackJesus8463 this is exact what fanboy would write ,,nothing to do with the comment here yet you had to say you never had any problem with amd ,,who cares
Really great explanation of concepts like "vocal minority - silent majority" in effect! Also great highlight of what kind of people watch your channel vs other places, and how that affects the data! =D
Your analysis makes sense to me, but I would add the factor of NVIDIA sells much better in different markets and AMD almost only sells well on USA. Here in Brazil absolutely all my friends that play on PC use NVIDIA and they are more than 20 people. The only AMD GPUs that sells really well here are chinese imported refurbished cards like RX 580 or RX 6600, because they are really cheap. The majority of AMD cards cost way to much here, because they are imported in lower quantities while those from NVIDIA are imported in greater quantities and therefore cost less. To use my case as an example, when I went to buy a new card, the RTX 4070 Ti cost me R$5,000.00, while an RX 7900 XT was costing R$5,500.00, so for me it didn't make any sense to buy the AMD card. Nowadays prices are a little different, but they are still not like in the USA, where AMD costs much less than NVIDIA.
Yup, here is my country there are more 4080 Super models on sale than the entire RX7000 series, AMD has poor logistic outside of a few 1st world countries leading to high prices vs Nvidia
@luisgustavodossantosrodrig2005 "nowadays prices are a little different..." The AMD cards are getting cheaper now because they don't sell and even than still cost too much. I searched for a RTX 4070 Ti (not super) and found it for less than 4,8k reais.
Of the 4 PC's I've built in the last 3 years I have only been offered the steam survey on my 2060 & 3060ti but my current builds rx 6800 and 7800xt have not been offered the survey
The key point is that Steam doesn't care about asking for a survey if you don't match the specific hardware... Makes me wonder if someone can pop open the steam source code to read what kind of requirements it wants.
same !! i always have one that has an amd cpu + amd gpu, and one with an intel cpu + nvidia gpu using them feels basically identical, except one has smaller monitors xd
@@zodwraith5745With the features like NVIDIA Reflex, raytracing and wide range of games support DLSS; I'm eventually changed my team from Red to Green now. RDNA4 could change that "raytracing" part tho. It's also near impossible to find laptop and prebuilt PC with discrete AMD GPU in my country.
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Even anecdotally about half of all people I know have an AMD card. It doesn’t seem to line up. I can only assume laptops and gaming cafes are slightly skewing the numbers.
I purchased a 7900 xt last year and it's my first AMD card and I had 3 previous Nvidia cards. I love my AMD card and haven't had a single problem in that time. People, give AMD a try. They are fine.
I owned many gen of AMD GPUs and they NEVER had any issues. You are just making stuff up. On the contrary, all the problems I had in the past were Nvidia GPUs.
I built my computer until last year because I got tired of troubleshooting and was spending too much on parts. Since then I have a mini PC that can play some old games and emulators. I upgraded the mini pc ram to 32 GB and changed the SSD to 2 TB and my other ssd and Blue Ray drive I installed them on external enclosures. As for the graphics card, I always bought the one that was available in my local computer shop, but I tend to buy Amd because I don’t use Ray tracing, DLSS or FSR much. I always watch your videos Daniel and I think you do an excellent job.
especially the top product owners (3090, 4090, etc) who are often a professionals, not gamers. We can never know how much of gpus are not presented in Steam survey. and we can never know how much nvidia users do not care to write any comments. unlike amd fanboys who clearly interested in telling everyone about them having an amd gpu
Radeon fans life mission is to convince people that raster only native performance is all that matters. And while on the low end that's sort of true. For mid range and high end users that's a very dated metric. Nvidia owners are using their features to get the best version of the games they are playing. Not trying to cope and convince everyone and themselves that the biggest advancements in games graphics since the Xbox 360 launched don't matter.
10:54 My experience is that I tend to get a survey when I've installed steam recently on a new computer or have recently changed components. So I believe that it's biased against hardware that's used for a long time. And AMD users keep their hardware for longer on average.
Are the surveys voluntary? Also are they solicited by Steam? I'm confused, I have three computers. Two with AMD cards and one with Nvidia. Steam as never prompted me for hardware survey on either of them.
Generally it selects a percentage of users several times a year. I've had a steam account since 2011, but I've only been surveyed twice, once in 2017 and once in 2023. Edit: it's also voluntary. If you get selected, you don't have to answer it.
I recently bought my first AMD card after using a 2060 Super for the past 5 years. I have yet to try it with Blender, but so far it's been a pretty alright experience. I've heard a lot of mixed things about AMD drivers, but I haven't had any issues quite yet aside from my home's tap water turning a bright red color, though I assume this is just an AMD marketing tactic.
The "average" gamer isn't here on this channel, simply because they don't care about technical things. They aren't here, on linus tech tips or gamers nexus, simply because they don't care about those things. Obviously your votes are "off" in a way that most of the people that are here know what they are doing up to a certain point, so easily amd has more usage because here people have brains and don't just buy nvidia without needing its features. Same thing for building their own pc, someone that knows how to do it, knows that it's cheaper and you can also easily squeeze better components in either performance or quality. We will never have accurate enough data that can distinguish between usage and people (at least in the near future). Hopefully your channel will grow much bigger because you deserve it❤
great class on probabilities and sampling for same.
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LTT has once made a short experiment to demonstrate this on the wan show. It is the same topic with Firefox vs other browsers like Chrome and Edge. When asked, the majority of people answered that they use firefox, but in reality when looking at the websites user data, only a minority uses Firefox.
AMD owners enjoy rastering benchmarks. Because you can only use FSR for upscaling, you assume that upscaling is bad, Nvidia gamers enjoy gaming with DLSS3 and RT, and it looks great.
hmm I wonder if the survey can detect internet cafe PCs. From what I remember from my childhood playing at internet cafes with like gtx 750tis, the hardware survey message pops up on every login. I just clicked off of it back then.
This might be it. Internet cafes. Especially the chinese ones. There's over 20 thousand of them, all filled with hundreds of PC setups and a good majority rocking a 3060.
750 Ti's were from you child hood? Damn I feel old. I was using an 750 TI my freshman year of college. Before I upgraded to an dual 950 SLI set up. Because I heard rumors about the 1080, but I thought it was over hyped. And that the performance couldn't actually be as good as people said it would be. Boy was I wrong.
@@Linux_Fan_Boi_76 yep, I think 750ti s came out early 2014 right? I was 14 in the same year. Teenage me and the boys would always go to internet cafes after school to have a grand old time playing LAN games at like 20 fps. Only way to play back in the 3rd world unfortunately. A lot of lower-end cafes probably had like GT 710s or 730s. A few had 750tis as far as I remember.
@@Salty_Nutella I miss playing LAN games. I'm glad that y'all were still able to play and have fun. Where I lived they didn't have Cafe's, instead they had a place called Howie's game shack. Where you'd pay a bit of money and then you could play on their computers for the day. I used to go there with my buddies. The whole place smelled like mountain dew, and they had these monstrous alien ware Pre built computers running each game station. Command and Conquer 3 : Tiberium Wars had just barely come come out. So everyone was playing that.
I've been using steam with over 15 years and I've only been asked to do the steam survey twice in 10 years. When I done the steam survey which was years apart both times I had an Nvidia GPU both times but I have an AMD 7900GRE now.
Steam's definitely the more accurate one, because it is definitely more "impartial" than some random poll on any YT channel. Reason being? People like to trash Nvidia for anything and everything, and be seen as supporting an "underdog", but when asked to put their money where their months are, they buy Nvidia, and that's not without reason. Nvidia has the better hardware and feature set in general, nobody in their right mind would pick an AMD GPU right now unless they can get it heavily discounted over the Nvidia counterpart. So they buy Nvidia and vote AMD like hypocrites, and inflate those AMD numbers in "random" polls. Where they can't manipulate the results easily, would be things like the Steam survey, where they would be caught actually using an Nvidia GPU and not an AMD GPU like they claim they were in those easily manipulated polls.
If you go to comment sections, ironically there are quite a few Nvidia corporate cheerleaders... people forgot to simp for their own wallets in the first place ^^
Nvidia having a better feature set is not true once you look at it with nuance and consider more than the first 12-16 months after launch. Nvidia has so far not enabled new features on older generations, where AMD has. In fact, most features that are useful for a 20-series rtx card in 2024 come from AMD, who are allowing these features ro run on any card. Secondly, AMDs windows drivers surpassed Nvidias sometime in 2020 for stability and ease of use, most notably in having built in overclocking and not actually eating up insane amounts of system resources. Don't even get me started about Nvidia vs AMD on Linux. If you buy Nvidia, you are basically stuck with Microsoft spying on you. The one advantage over AMD that Nvidia has is Raytracing, but Raytracing doesn't actually deliver playable performance below the 700$ mark, which means for most gamers it is a non-feature. Nvidia is like Apple, except there isn't really a Samsung. AMD is more like some obscure artisan phone brand which most normal people don't even know exists.
@@wfb.subtraktor311 yeah, the features not even being a factor below 700 is so fucking true... But there will always be a bunch of redditors recommending 4060Ti because much raytracing and framegen - the marketing worked, useful idiots have been bred.
@@Micromation Unironically the best marketing stragety ever was to make laptop and prebuilt manufactures put those little Nvidia and intel stickers on everything. Name recognition is 90% of the game with the vast majority of uninformed consumers. When I bring up even AMD CPUs, which are just objectively slapping right now, I often hear "who, what now?" as a response. If your customers don't know you have competition you can kinda do whatever you want and be fine.
You're right on the money. TechTuber audiences are enthusiasts, and most enthusiasts lean toward AMD. This is a bubble. Everyone I play games with on a regular basis, who are afraid to even open their case and use canned air on it, are all on Nvidia gpu's. If you sampled our group, it would be 100% Nvidia. (Yes, I have a 40 series card, because I enjoy RT over 100fps.) How do I know they're all on Nvidia cards? Because when they have problems, I'm their tech support, and no, their problems aren't due to their graphics cards. It's almost always overheating due dirty cases.
@@christophermullins7163 I mean its not surprising if i don't know anything about PC, i wouldn't also touch my case lol i don't want to do something retarded and break something especially those who buys prebuilts which cost extra more rather than if you just build it yourself, and if not most people don't have extra money just laying around if they f something up.
@@haruusami1831 Exactly this, they're afraid they'll break something. They've invested a bit of money, and not being savvy on exactly how robust each component may be, it's like opening Pandora's box to them.
In my opinion Steam HW survey is more of a cookie type of thing. I noticed that everytime I log into my Steam account and I use it for some time on a new or upgraded device (upgraded in more invasive way like new CPU, GPU, MoBo or RAM and not storage space or things like case, fans, coolers or expansion cards and accessories) that is when I get the notification about Steam HW survey and once I take it Im never asked again until I start using new or upgraded system and even then its after some amount of time (so it wont appear when I use my account once or twice on another device). Thats why I think Steam is frequently monitoring what hardware accounts are using and only after it analyzes the system as new or upgraded one it asks user to participate in the survey but the fact it asks after it notices a change makes me think the entire survey is just like they ask for permission to use data gathered on the user to be used in the official survey results. Thats at least my opinion on the Steam HW survey functionality..
@@a1racer441I guess it depends on the region. If you can get 6800 XT at comparable price to 4060 Ti, it certainly is a better option, but when compared to 6700 XT, the performance is actually very close or better.
@@Derael Yep, and on the Low end of things the rx 6600 and intels A750 are the kings. Whenever I do Budget builds for my cousins I either go with intel or last gen AMD. Eventually the Supply of 6600 cards will dry up. But budget builders are gonna be eating good till that happens.
I think there is a big divide between people who build their own computers and people who buy computers in stores. The ones that build their own can go with AMD. But the store bought computers almost always have Nvidia cards. In fact I looked around here and like 90% of computers for sale in a store near me had Nvidia cards in them. And a normie that does not know much will go with whatever looks popular.
There is another important factor, I have 2 different GPUs + the integrated one on my machine, Steam is only detecting the first one (which happens to be the integrated card). I wonder how many of the AMD users have the integrated card enabled as well, which would skew the results.
I have an RTX 4070 Ti Super and I use an LG 48 inch 4K OLED TV as my monitor. I felt that the 4070 Ti Super was the minimum I should have gotten for that kind of display. Also I wanted Nvidia for the cuda support. I do like being able to run Ai projects on my computer without having to use only the CPU.
@@hamzaalhassani4154 not a huge issue but maybe like once or twice a month my screen goes dark for a split second when i'm in the browser, but i also have overclocked literally everything in my pc including the monitor itself so that might have something to do with it lol
@@hamzaalhassani4154 the driver software is pretty good but i had a problem with instant replay feature causing stuttering in my games, and one small issue is that maybe once or twice a month my screen goes dark for a split second when in the browser, but that could be also caused by the fact that literally everything in my pc is overclocked including the monitor itself lol
lucky u didnt do any latency sensitive like mixing a lot of audio tracks or DSP. chiplet still have flaw over latency cos their circuit is longer than monolith
@hamzaalhassani4154 I've had an all AMD system recently (switched the 7900xtx for a 4090). The AMD Adrenalin software is far superior to GeForce Experience/Nvidia App. The drivers were sometimes crashing while playing Helldivers 2. (Processor is a 7800X3D) Some motherboard brands have BIOS with slow startup, like MSI.
6800XT here. If I had waited a few months more, it would have been a 7800XT. If I slept on giant piles of money every night, it would have been a 4090.
I was about to buy the rx 7900xtx, but I am waiting cause I don't want the same to happen to me. I will keep the saved money for the next generation. (Rx6800 on my pc)
The 4090 is the fastest GPU of current generation, raytracing or not, so obviously people with *lots* of money will get those. And if you want raytracing, have some cache, but not ludicrous budget, 4080Super is the second go-to. Only below that threshold 7900XT(X) start being an actual competitive option. AMD being AMD, did not miss a chance to get behind by keeping to not care about raytracing performance.
Yep same here. I kind of wish I had waited, but considering I got the 6800 XT for around $500 and the minimal difference in performance, it doesn't really bother me.
I get the Steam hardware survey from time to time but the thing makes you send a list of all installed applications on the system which I find a bit creepy. That can certainly affect the results.
I have three systems in the house. the system with the RTX GPU more frequently asks me to complete the steam hardware survey. Coincidence? I dunno. I want AMD to Do well because as a gamer, we cannot have a monopoly. Same with INTEL, I dont want them to go anywhere. however they did need a kick in the teeth for the 10 year stagnation of CPUs.
@@BlackJesus8463that’s what you should be asking 4070/ti owners, 12gb already gets maxed out @1080p in any high texture open world game, @1440 I’ve seen north of 14/15gbs
Funny, it was my ignorance of the market that has kept me using ATI/AMD for most of my PC gaming history, which goes all the way back to 1995. I'd just buy cheap prebuilts, and those were the parts that end up being used in the computers I end up getting. They served their purpose, and worked well for me. It was only after 2018 that I bothered to actually learn about PC components.
I've noticed the same loud AMD fanboyz swarming other channels skewing results and content, like an echo chamber. But most gamers don't look at YT unless they have a problem. Then in Asia where most of the worlds population and gamers are its like 95% nvidia.
Yeah I have an Nvidia graphics card because I asked a friend to recommend a build and he recommended me an Nvidia graphics card, I didn't even know anything about PC Gaming, but he's been into the game for years so I trusted him.
I HAD an AMD GPU (the 6950XT) but had to sell it because of many many issues like crashes, driver timeouts and even video playback bugs (YES, video playback bugs in 2024). Take a look in the AMD forums and the AMDHelp subreddit. Tech reviewers keep claiming that AMD have fixed their driver issues and that their drivers are top notch now, then how come the forums are full of people experiencing black screens/grey screens/driver timeouts/individual game crashing and stuttering. Bought myself a 4080 SUPER, that by all means is an overpriced GPU but since then I have not had 1 second of instability and issues.
AMD fanboys are the best example of "vocal minority". And it seems the more they call anyone who buys Nvidia uninformed, stupid and ignorant, the less AMD GPUs sell. Maybe, just maybe, most consumers don't consider slightly lower prices worth giving up much better features and software of Nvidia GPUs? As someone who has had both desktop and laptop Radeons, I don't think I'll ever buy AMD GPUs again. I faced too many issues which I never did with Nvidia GPUs.
It's always hilarious to see, generation after generation, just how wrong commenters are when it comes to the actual reality of the market. No amount of sales calls/quarterly reports/market analysis will convince them that AMD isn't actually that popular with the average consumer.
When did you owned your Radeon cards though? From my own personal experience of owning them for about 5 years (R 9270X > RX 480 > RX 6700XT), i can confidently say that with each card the experience has been substantially more stable. Not saying it's a 100% flawless experience, but you also have to consider that driver crashes are not always related to the software of the GPU manufacturer, Windows can mess things up aswell. I had a case where my drivers would crap themselves when i launched a game, even switching back to older versions did not mitigate the issue and i know these versions did not had that crashing issue. That is, until i updated Windows. In general, you may need to do a little bit of tinkering, but overall my experience has been positive with AMD cards. Oh, and in case you want to call me a fanboy, i own an Nvidia card at the moment.
@@X_irtz i understand your point, for me to not go AMD is not because of the driver drama but because of Amd's horrible software stack and support in literally everything outside of gaming until then i wont be buying Radeon
'And it seems the more they call anyone who buys Nvidia uninformed, stupid and ignorant, the less AMD GPUs sell.' I see it the other way around. The worse the AMD GPU sales are, the more inclined AMD marketing is to nudge their fanboys to shout louder.
Currently using a 7800XT from a 5700XT, but i'll probably be swapping to the 50 series solely because AMD is mostly open source (FSR, etc), much worse for streaming on both twitch and discord, and just generally slower to innovate like NVIDIA is. Surely the 50 series will have a new "gimmick that's actually good" to sell it better.
Hey, you highlighted my 6800 xt comment. Forgot to mention I bought my kid an RTX 3060 last xmas because it was on sale and he only plays minecraft and fall guys on a 1080p monitor.
The first video of yours that I saw was "I switched to AMD from Nvidia", 781k views so far on that one. I just checked. I had gotten an AMD gpu (6700 xt) during the crypto famine from the weekly AMD store drop. It was a nice upgrade from my 1070 and I had few issues.
@@BlackJesus8463highly doubt that, the average gamer isn’t a enthusiast like the people here, most of them go out and buy a prebuilt or buy nvidia cuz that’s what the popular choice is. I would guess it would still be like 85/15 nvidia
That's probably part of it, but the truth is that AMD's reputation is simply damaged by their second rate feature performance and historical software stability. Radeon is like Honda/Lexus with the reputation of Lada going against Mercedes. People want the luxury brand, especially if the budget brand has a bad reputation, even if the value is worse.
My 6800xt served me real well during the crisis and now its in my fiance's PC. I'd have continued owning AMD with the 7900xtx but it died within store warranty and I decided to give the 4080 a shot for a couple hundred more (begrudgingly). But man I gotta say despite the bad value Im happy with it.
In Germany, we have very high electricity costs compared to the rest of the world, which is one of the reasons (including me) why many are more likely to resort to NVIDIA. Because in the same performance segment, an AMD card consumes an average of 25-30% more power.
@@HardyDimension its close amd don't report correctly the power consuption in the 6000 series (something like total board power vs only the gpu consuption)
I have had both AMD and Nvidia thru the years. Intel Arc stepping doing well with every driver update, I don't think anyone is going to compete at the top level with Nvidia for years, but in the mid-tier section should be good competition in the coming years. Nothing wrong with picking whatever brand you like, as long as you did the research on the product and made the choice that made you happy.
I watch your channel and many other tech channels. I am in the fortunate position of being able to get enthusiast GPUs. My last 5 GPUs: RTX 4090 RTX 3080 Ti RTX 2080 Ti GTX 1080 Ti GTX 1080 For me to consider AMD now, they need to be faster than 5090, they need to have better SR than DLSS, they need to have better FG than DLSS (yes it is better less artifacting and judder) they need RR and more importantly they need to be cheaper. Also Nvidia Broadcast is incredible, I can have my fan and vacuum full blast next to my microphone and my friends cannot hear anything but my voice.
a HUGE amount of NVIDIA hardware on steam are internet cafe hardware. In Ho Chi Minh city - Vietnam, there are like 50-100 internet cafes, each has around 50pcs, and they all use NVIDIA hardware.
I configured and built my pc myself and still use a RX 580, but all my friends have (newer) Nvidia GPUs. That's probably what is going on with most of the AMD GPU commentators as well. Also the framing of questions and the context of asking a question are important for the results. I am nowhere near of buying a new pc, but I still watch hardware news and occasionally configure a pc for fun. Realistically I will buy second hand hardware, or wait a few years before I upgrade to a new system.
I do legit own an rx 6950. And when they were reasonably priced and available I recommended them. I don’t plan on getting rid of it until most games are below 60fps, so I think she’s got a lot of mileage under the hood left. 1440p 165hz
The steam hardware survey also includes the long tail of old hardware which probably skews even more for Nvidia. Even if there was a hypothetical recent change in the sales data it would be reflected in the hardware survey data rather slowly.
i swapped from a 3090 to a 7900xtx red devil and the only thing im sad about is losing out on CUDA for music production stuff and AI processing. we have something called CEX in the uk that lets you trade in tech and i basically upgraded for only 150 gpb. totally worth it for that Smart Access Memory with my 7800x3d for gaming.
@@ascissordollynamedgwen9409 they don't per say, I've just had to find alternative versions of stuff like Ultimate Vocal Remover that supports AMD cards instead of CUDA. It's just a huge pain in the ass to go and find alternative versions of stuff that work with AMD cards. Also AMDs version of NVENC for stuff like Sony Vegas isn't nearly as good for GPU rendering but it's still way faster than cpu rendering only.
So if you're doing AI stuff with your GPU or stuff that uses CUDA I probably wouldn't recommend one and would just pay the extra for a 4080 super or something
Is CUDA really that utilised in music production? Unlike 3D rendering with CUDA (now OptiX is way better with RT), music production doesn't seem that hardware intensive but obviously this is completely removed from my field of expertise as 3D generalist....
i get the steam survey every year and have always bought and built with an amd cpu and nvidia gpu. I also have a pre-built mini media pc with an integrated amd processor that has never received the survey.
In years of using steam, I've been asked to to the survey once in 6 years since owning an AMD graphics card but had 2 in 2 years when using my old 980ti
Agreed. I just built my first AMD rig (7800x3D/7900XTX). The 7900xtx handles ray tracing a lot better than people seem to realize; just because the 4080 is better doesn't mean the 7900 isn't a good product. I'm thinking about buying a second 7900xtx for another rig
As someone fairly new to pc gaming that bought my first rig in 2019 of a local builder then went on to build my second rig in 2021 I was never exposed to or had any knowledge or preconceived ideas about GPU's brands let alone heard of Radeon or Nvidia. Early on it was all about RAM and CPU cores and if you had 1GB of RAM and Intel 4 core processor you were next level. Youd hear whispers about stand alone graphics solutions but it was like some star trek level tech. Before that 256MB was the holy grail and the cpu wasnt as big a deal because solitaire, lemmings and worm were the hit of the day. What i observed over the last few years is that age seems to be a major factor in the current gpu battlesphere. Weather they own one or not its sees the younger generations pumping newly discovered sources of tech geek testosterone wholly champion Radeon as, you said, the underdog. Armed with degrees in business economics and marketing, its knowing contacts, double agents, moles and leakers in high up positions that deal with industrial espionage and conspiracy implementation and investigation that makes them formidable foe. Some of the stuff ive read would shock the most hardcore x_files fan out of lala land. Compared to Radeon, Nvidia seems more like the old timers gpu of choice just sitting back on the porch watching the grass grow without a care in the world. Nothing happens in invidia world, its boring. The most exciting thing RTX does is provide hours of entertainment for Radeons young bloods which come to think of it provides hours of entertainment for the RTX porch rockers. Its a tech consumer symbiosis.
I've owned AMD cards, I was super vocal about having them, oh em gee guys I got a 5700XT for such a good price with such good performance! But as I kept getting so many issues upon issues and crashes with AMD cards I shut up, switched to Nvidia and have been satisfied ever since, even though I run Linux which is like putting a square peg into a round hole.
@@2intheampm512 I'm watching this channel so yeah I'm gaming. I'm not saying Nvidia is bad on Linux just a worse experience than using an AMD card. Just do your pacman -S amdgpu and you're good to go, with Nvidia you have to do a bunch of stupid bullshit to get a acceptable result.
There is a huge industry called "graphic studios" that all mostly rely on nvidia. Like 3D Rendering. You couldn't even use AMD for specific software. And Nvidia is supporting researches with CUDA. Just in our office everyone got at least 2x GPUs. That means we just bought 16-20 Nvidia GPUs in the last 2 years.
Most people buy pre builds and laptops. The diy space is niche. So when you look at something like steam hardware survey, it doesn't translate at all to a tech channel centered around DIY. You might as well say the biggest gaming GPU is what's in the iPhone. True, sure, but on this channel? Probably not.
Ironic since it’s questionable whether casual gamers will notice a significant effect from DLSS and ray tracing, especially if they play like Minecraft and CS. For the tech nerds those features are worth the price though.
I got a Rtx 4060 for a good price some months ago. Some people saying, "RX 7600 is the same and cheaper,..." NO, is more Watt consume for same performance (I also have a 65w cpu Amd 5700x, if not my room can get warm in summer) . And I'm playing at 1080p, change from Fsr2 to Dlss is GOD.
The main difference is that people who have their own PC are using AMD, and most of the people who don't have their own computer use Ngreedia, and yes people who are just playing lol or dota won't be surfing youtube to watch things about GPUs since they're just in a net cafe. So the people on your poll made their own PC that's why the ratio is 9:1 since they might researching for an upgrade, while people playing in net cafes don't really care about GPUs since they don't own the PC.
Not just China, there's still alot of places where net cafes are popular. Like in Japan, India, South Korea, Philippines. Mostly in the SEA region net cafes are still very popular since not everyone can just buy a PC.
@@hill2hell Really Ok! You know I thought in 2024 most people has PC in home as they have smartphone! And I thought China is Internet Caffe Kingdom 😏 You know when You learn new thing every day its Beautiful Thing!!!! 🙃✌👉
On YT our sample is skewed to PC enthusiasts. I wanted an AMD GPU to go with my AMD CPU so I bought a 7900XTX. I use dual monitors, and anytime I clicked on my secondary monitor and sent my game to the background, the AMD GPU driver would crash. I put up with it for months, then suddenly one day it was gone. Fast forward a few more months, I updated my drivers again, and boom, my GPU driver was crashing again. Put up with it for 2 weeks before I sold my Sapphire Trix 7900XTX and bought the White Asus ROG Strix 4080 Super instead. Graphics are buttery smooth, and I'm really enjoying Diablo 4 with Ultra 1440p settings. With ray tracing and frame generation, I'm getting around 120fps. I doubt the 7900XTX would have been able to get over 100fps under the same conditions and they are currently the SAME PRICE in Canada.
I mean, the growing popularity of Linux among PC enthusiasts could be another reason why AMD is so popular vs Nvidia. On Linux systems, AMD is dependable as the grave. While Nvidia gives you freak errors and crashes since Nvidia kept their drivers proprietary. That's why Valve went with AMD instead of nvidia for the steam deck. That's starting to change, as Nvidia is now releasing open source Kernal Models for their GPU's. Nvidia is making strong Forays into the world of ARM. Which is still linux dominated. As Windows for ARM is still maturing.
... I have a 7900XTX >_> I do agree that AMD gets dumped on so much ("bad drivers" etc) that people who have a product they're happy with feel like they have to defend AMD and correct the popular misconceptions
Minorities are always the most vocal, nothing new. Nvidia is objectively better in upscaling and RT, while AMD is cheaper and can have more VRAM in the same price point. Nothing more to it.
this is what has to be said. amd fanboys try to find the cheapest gpu. and then they try to convince themselves they are technically smarter than green users because they found the cheapest gpu. and then they try to convince themselves RT, dlss, etc are useless features. I am pretty sure amd users would go for green one if they had enough money to not care about "value per $"
@@PhilosophicalSock yeah dude. I hate ignorants downplaying DLSS. For me it’s the difference between playing at 1440p only on my RTX 3080 or playing 4K DLSS quality/balanced/performance while looking significantly sharper and more detailed. Easily the best GPU technology since adaptive sync in my opinion.
@@PhilosophicalSock They make a good product, but as anticonsumer as they are, I refuse to buy Nvidia - and, AMD wins in bang for the buck anyhow - I've always had a limited budget.
I once saw a video about what your graphics card says about you, and for any AMD card, it just showed Linus Torvalds' infamous speech, and I cannot agree more.
According to Newzoo, **DEDICATED** PC Gamers (defined as those who play at least weekly), 32% build their PC, and 30% buy a prebuilt, 38% for laptop. So really 68% prebuilt desktop/laptop. The number is likely even higher for prebuilts for casual/infrequent PC gamers.
4090 here! I generally don't say I have one as it's price in Aus was completely ridiculous and unless your a hardcore gamer you will just think it was a stupid purchase. I built the pc myself and checked the plug about 20 times lol. On a side note in regards to steam survey, the 1060 was number one for so long but I don't know anyone that has had one for years 🤷♂️
For me, I built my last PC with a budget that made AMD the most bang for the buck. System and drivers worked great for my needs and graphics were very good. Built a new AMD PC after awhile and, again, have been very happy. I am vocal in comments because reviews tend to make RT and upscaling the end all be all for a GPU. My 7800X3D/7900 XT does 1440p at 185 fps at Ultra Settings, 4k at 65 fps High. When I use Ray Tracing medium in Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk, I still have a good experience. FSR may not be as good as DLSS, but my games look great and run at 280-539 fps. I think AMD users just want to let everyone know that the second best GPU is still pretty dang good and that you get more substantial features for your money in gaming.
Just call us nerds, Daniel. We’re nerds. The guys replying to your polls and leaving comments on tech videos - we’re nerds and not like most others.
We're tech nerds, definetly not one of the coolest types of nerd
Yep, average joes don't watch techtubers, or read reviews about which gpu is better for them, all they know is branding.
And people who own nvidia are so satisfied they rarely follow these tech channels or pedantically checking for validation whether their card is better or not lol
@@tomthomas3499 Its fun to dismiss the intelligence of the average buyer but GPUs tend to be the most expensive component in a gaming PC or Laptop and its very likely that majority of users do at least rudimentary research dropping serious money on a gpu. Branding aside, unlike in CPU's with Ryzen vs Intel, in GPU's, most people just find Nvidia to be the better buy all things considered... features, price etc.
It's also unfortunately from past experience. All my friends shudder when I tell them me and my brother use amd gpus. They still think the drivers are terrible. I've had a mostly solid experience since I got my card.
Consider that it’s very hard to find gaming laptops with AMD gpus
yup! Any discrete laptop GPU is always Nvidia.
I saw them on the amd site when I last looked.
And most pre built desktops using discrete graphics
I was thinking that as well. I guess you could lump them in with pre-builts.
Could be combination of unfortunately demand, also AMD tend to lean more on APU's with laptops, and their dedicated GPU's tend to run a bit hotter. I'm just spit balling here.
I've known plenty of people who play games on their PC. I've even known several friends who built their own PCs. I've never known a single person IRL who has done what I've done over the past 15 years with constantly buying top end hardware. Everyone buying near the top end of PC hardware and/or who upgrades their PC every 1-2 years is a tiny minority of PC gamers.
i upgraded after like 12 years and got this generations mid range- its high end for me tho :D
you dont need to upgrade every gen to watch these videos or find them interesting, i bought rx 480 before mining boom because i got sick of playstation asking for a monthly fee to play online. Got 6700 xt after mining boom, now i plan to buy Nvidia blackwell 5080 for AI and VR, unless they decrease the value again like they did with the 4000 series, i need vram goddamnit and if Nvidia wont give it to me, i will stick with AMD.
Only time I bought top-end was the 1080Ti- because the price to performance ratio was insane and in a weird way it ended up being a wise investment if you wanted to future-proof your system(which normally isn't something you should do when building a PC)...
@@__-fi6xg You used to be able to find $25-30 for a year of PS Plus and it was worth it, now it costs $70-80 a year. It's much more appealing to be on PC for me now. $80 a year for PS Plus is criminal if you ask me. Yes, it does offer some really good free monthly games, but if you just want to play games online it sucks.
I was that way from 1998 until about 2010.
Steve from Gamers Nexus asked a "major motherboard manufacturer" about 2 years ago what proportion of their sales was in the DIY / enthusiast space. They said about 10-15%, depending on whether you did it by revenue or volume. In decreasing order, their largest sales were laptops, desktop OEMs (e.g Dell office PCs), embedded / industrial, pre-builds, DIY / enthusiast, and finally servers. This is just to show how unrepresentative the DIY market is - and also explains why (for example) AMD has been dominating the DIY space in CPUs, but their overall sales are still way behind Intel
Intel and Nvidia DOMINATE the DIY space as well it is not close.
@@nadaniceguy-intel and nvidia dominate ur mom
@@nadaniceguy-nah go look up the number little boyo, AMD is dominating intel in CPUs 💀
@@ilanwesterhof1897 Intel has 64% market share, AMD has 36%.
You were saying? There isn't a single number that shows AMD dominating the CPU market. I invest in both companies, Intel has never lost to AMD ever. In AMDs entire company history they have never outsold Intel in a quarter. Call me little boy all you want, I'm older and smarter than you by long shot lmao.
@@ilanwesterhof1897 not you tried calling someone a little boy only for them to sit you down like their son. You got owned buddy get off the internet 🤣😂
It’s simple really. AMD users simply have enough VRAM to load the comment section.
Yeah my 24GB of VRAM on my 4090 isn't enough. That said funny that it's RAM that does it. I get it though you were trying to be funny.
@@Canuck-1976So you understood that it was a joke and chose to treat it like it wasn't one? But why?
@@leigel3prob wanted to brag about his 4090
@@Canuck-1976 Your 4090 is the outlier and you know it.
@@Canuck-1976 Don't worry, most of us understood the joke and laughed. You did understand it was a joke but didn't laugh because you felt attacked on a personal level because you know you over-paid for your card and you're angry about it. Next time choose wisely, stop throwing your money away. Also, gl with that electricity bill and heat in summer.
Daniel' poll: western DIY PC gamers mostly
Steam: worldwide, DIY+prebuilt+laptop
the laptop arugment is weak though bc from ampere and some of pascal it shows "laptop" chip, 3060 is at much higher percentage even before the laptops lol
This. I know people on USA or EU get spicy deals on AMD gpus compared to Nvidia gpus, but usually AMD cards don't sell that much below Nvidia cards on rest of the world so people are saying why would I buy an AMD card (probably comes from older experiences) when I can buy Nvidia (better product in their eyes) at the similar price point.
Please understand that not every Steam user is surveyed and tech channels neglect to mention that. So its very very very unlikely that every gaming pc in those gaming cafe's is getting surveyed. When the user keeps changing on the same IP, steam probably doesn't survey that machine.
damn viewer from south east asia count as western?
@@asyraffrys5512 Yes you do. 😊
Ps. He said: "mostly".
Where are you from?
I wonder;
If NVidia was second in the poll and AMD first, that you may see a higher amount of Nvidia comments.
not if prices were the same! as they are now!
I'd say no, you'd still see more amd. Even if the poll favored amd, the overall gpu market is still heavily skwed to Nvidia(like 80% and 15% or smth). So amd is still the overall underdog, and the underdog theory would still apply.
Yep for sure but then nvidia would be the price to performance choice.
another thing to consider is how data is collected on laptops. You will get a lot of intel, amd, etc from the iGPU being reported instead of the dedicated GPU.
Fan boys are loud. In every demographic the majority is silent. Frequency of comments is no metric
I've never had a problem with AMD gpu.
@@BlackJesus8463 Awesome.
Nothing to do with what I'm saying.
@@BlackJesus8463 this is exact what fanboy would write ,,nothing to do with the comment here yet you had to say you never had any problem with amd ,,who cares
@@BlackJesus8463 Bro is the reason why this video was even made 😭
The other day I asked some random guy what time it was and he answered 'I love my AMD GPU'.
Really great explanation of concepts like "vocal minority - silent majority" in effect!
Also great highlight of what kind of people watch your channel vs other places, and how that affects the data! =D
i feel like laptops (like mine) and prebuilts are at least 45% of that nvidia market share
Your analysis makes sense to me, but I would add the factor of NVIDIA sells much better in different markets and AMD almost only sells well on USA. Here in Brazil absolutely all my friends that play on PC use NVIDIA and they are more than 20 people. The only AMD GPUs that sells really well here are chinese imported refurbished cards like RX 580 or RX 6600, because they are really cheap. The majority of AMD cards cost way to much here, because they are imported in lower quantities while those from NVIDIA are imported in greater quantities and therefore cost less.
To use my case as an example, when I went to buy a new card, the RTX 4070 Ti cost me R$5,000.00, while an RX 7900 XT was costing R$5,500.00, so for me it didn't make any sense to buy the AMD card. Nowadays prices are a little different, but they are still not like in the USA, where AMD costs much less than NVIDIA.
same here in Indonesia! the most popular card from AMD is the chinese refurb junk RX 580 or used RX 6600
Yup, here is my country there are more 4080 Super models on sale than the entire RX7000 series, AMD has poor logistic outside of a few 1st world countries leading to high prices vs Nvidia
The 7900xt can be found for R$ 5.000,00 and 4070 ti super for R$ 5.500,00 at least in this price point amd is cheaper 3:08
@luisgustavodossantosrodrig2005 "nowadays prices are a little different..."
The AMD cards are getting cheaper now because they don't sell and even than still cost too much.
I searched for a RTX 4070 Ti (not super) and found it for less than 4,8k reais.
@@CaioZer0 i only comented because the 7900xt it's a little faster than the 4070 ti super so seens fair to compare the prices
Of the 4 PC's I've built in the last 3 years I have only been offered the steam survey on my 2060 & 3060ti but my current builds rx 6800 and 7800xt have not been offered the survey
You can start it manually...
Help > System Report
The key point is that Steam doesn't care about asking for a survey if you don't match the specific hardware... Makes me wonder if someone can pop open the steam source code to read what kind of requirements it wants.
When looking at the steam hardware survey, I couldn't find any current Gen AMD models except 7900xtx. Was I looking incorrectly?
4090 here but when we mention it, it feels like bragging to usually we stay quiet
A 4090?! Posh bastard!
It's always bragging. Shut up
You may brag only if you actually game! ✌
But you are bragging. And who is we? I have seen plenty of nvidia flexing they bought top end you no matter the generation.
@@VoldoronGaming the royal we. I have seen plenty of amd people flexing they got best value out of their gpu .
I like having a system with an AMD GPU and another system with a Nvidia GPU. Its kinda crazy just how close they are
Which I why I recently switched to AMD
@@jaredangell8472 Opposite of me. I daily drive AMD and Nvidia side by side and that's made the next upgrade far less likely to be AMD.
same !! i always have one that has an amd cpu + amd gpu, and one with an intel cpu + nvidia gpu
using them feels basically identical, except one has smaller monitors xd
@@zodwraith5745 I still have my NVIDIA laptop. Haven't touched it since I got the 6800
@@zodwraith5745With the features like NVIDIA Reflex, raytracing and wide range of games support DLSS; I'm eventually changed my team from Red to Green now. RDNA4 could change that "raytracing" part tho. It's also near impossible to find laptop and prebuilt PC with discrete AMD GPU in my country.
The smallest dog barks the loudest
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Counter point, Huskies are the loudest freaking animals on the planet and they're fairly big dogs
You cant argue with fanboys no matter what Fanboy. Fanboy comes from Fanatics so its clear i hope.
What do vegans, linux users, amd gpu owners have in common?
Yeah AMD fanboys are the loudest but man.. nvidia ones are the dumbest. The level of brand loyalty is akin to iphone users.
Before watching the video
It is prob bc your audiance Isn't just random pc gamer and we do our research
Then researcher miss amdip coz big creators not talk about it lol
Even anecdotally about half of all people I know have an AMD card. It doesn’t seem to line up. I can only assume laptops and gaming cafes are slightly skewing the numbers.
I purchased a 7900 xt last year and it's my first AMD card and I had 3 previous Nvidia cards. I love my AMD card and haven't had a single problem in that time. People, give AMD a try. They are fine.
I owned many gen of AMD GPUs and they NEVER had any issues. You are just making stuff up. On the contrary, all the problems I had in the past were Nvidia GPUs.
I built my computer until last year because I got tired of troubleshooting and was spending too much on parts. Since then I have a mini PC that can play some old games and emulators. I upgraded the mini pc ram to 32 GB and changed the SSD to 2 TB and my other ssd and Blue Ray drive I installed them on external enclosures.
As for the graphics card, I always bought the one that was available in my local computer shop, but I tend to buy Amd because I don’t use Ray tracing, DLSS or FSR much. I always watch your videos Daniel and I think you do an excellent job.
dude imagine going through the effort of popping out a child, all that pain. to name your kid GIOVANNI. italians are wierd man
Because AAA games started to suck 90% of the time every year since 2019.
i guess most nvidia card owners do not write on YT about it (except survey)
especially the top product owners (3090, 4090, etc) who are often a professionals, not gamers.
We can never know how much of gpus are not presented in Steam survey.
and we can never know how much nvidia users do not care to write any comments.
unlike amd fanboys who clearly interested in telling everyone about them having an amd gpu
yep unlike most amd fanboys who only talk but no buy 😂
Nah it's AMD GPU owners trying to justify their purchase.
Yeah because they're playing games while amd guys constantly bitch and moan about nvidia online 24/7
Radeon fans life mission is to convince people that raster only native performance is all that matters. And while on the low end that's sort of true. For mid range and high end users that's a very dated metric. Nvidia owners are using their features to get the best version of the games they are playing. Not trying to cope and convince everyone and themselves that the biggest advancements in games graphics since the Xbox 360 launched don't matter.
10:54
My experience is that I tend to get a survey when I've installed steam recently on a new computer or have recently changed components.
So I believe that it's biased against hardware that's used for a long time.
And AMD users keep their hardware for longer on average.
Are the surveys voluntary? Also are they solicited by Steam? I'm confused, I have three computers. Two with AMD cards and one with Nvidia. Steam as never prompted me for hardware survey on either of them.
Generally it selects a percentage of users several times a year. I've had a steam account since 2011, but I've only been surveyed twice, once in 2017 and once in 2023.
Edit: it's also voluntary. If you get selected, you don't have to answer it.
I recently bought my first AMD card after using a 2060 Super for the past 5 years. I have yet to try it with Blender, but so far it's been a pretty alright experience. I've heard a lot of mixed things about AMD drivers, but I haven't had any issues quite yet aside from my home's tap water turning a bright red color, though I assume this is just an AMD marketing tactic.
Sir, I really think it might be wise to get a plumber in.
Dang, your water turned piss color?
The "average" gamer isn't here on this channel, simply because they don't care about technical things. They aren't here, on linus tech tips or gamers nexus, simply because they don't care about those things.
Obviously your votes are "off" in a way that most of the people that are here know what they are doing up to a certain point, so easily amd has more usage because here people have brains and don't just buy nvidia without needing its features. Same thing for building their own pc, someone that knows how to do it, knows that it's cheaper and you can also easily squeeze better components in either performance or quality.
We will never have accurate enough data that can distinguish between usage and people (at least in the near future).
Hopefully your channel will grow much bigger because you deserve it❤
best comment so far on this.
Agreed. A sensible comment, not just people attacking each other for different opinions on what makes a good GPU buy.
great class on probabilities and sampling for same.
LTT has once made a short experiment to demonstrate this on the wan show.
It is the same topic with Firefox vs other browsers like Chrome and Edge. When asked, the majority of people answered that they use firefox, but in reality when looking at the websites user data, only a minority uses Firefox.
AMD users are commenting on RUclips videos. Nvidia users are playing games.
Probably because most of them are on Linux and having issues getting most of their games to run
@@unnamed715Linux works fine for majority of games
Daamn
@@unnamed715The only games that have issues at this point are the ones with invasive anti-cheats, and most of those games just suck.
AMD owners enjoy rastering benchmarks. Because you can only use FSR for upscaling, you assume that upscaling is bad, Nvidia gamers enjoy gaming with DLSS3 and RT, and it looks great.
hmm I wonder if the survey can detect internet cafe PCs. From what I remember from my childhood playing at internet cafes with like gtx 750tis, the hardware survey message pops up on every login. I just clicked off of it back then.
Like laptops, etc.. The survey doesn't really care.
This might be it. Internet cafes. Especially the chinese ones. There's over 20 thousand of them, all filled with hundreds of PC setups and a good majority rocking a 3060.
750 Ti's were from you child hood? Damn I feel old.
I was using an 750 TI my freshman year of college. Before I upgraded to an dual 950 SLI set up.
Because I heard rumors about the 1080, but I thought it was over hyped. And that the performance couldn't actually be as good as people said it would be.
Boy was I wrong.
@@Linux_Fan_Boi_76 yep, I think 750ti s came out early 2014 right? I was 14 in the same year.
Teenage me and the boys would always go to internet cafes after school to have a grand old time playing LAN games at like 20 fps. Only way to play back in the 3rd world unfortunately.
A lot of lower-end cafes probably had like GT 710s or 730s. A few had 750tis as far as I remember.
@@Salty_Nutella I miss playing LAN games.
I'm glad that y'all were still able to play and have fun.
Where I lived they didn't have Cafe's, instead they had a place called Howie's game shack.
Where you'd pay a bit of money and then you could play on their computers for the day.
I used to go there with my buddies. The whole place smelled like mountain dew, and they had these monstrous alien ware Pre built computers running each game station.
Command and Conquer 3 : Tiberium Wars had just barely come come out. So everyone was playing that.
I've been using steam with over 15 years and I've only been asked to do the steam survey twice in 10 years.
When I done the steam survey which was years apart both times I had an Nvidia GPU both times but I have an AMD 7900GRE now.
Your underdog theory is exactly right
Yup 💪 6950 XT here
Its value.
Its COPE.
@@BlackJesus8463 Nothing but cope. AMD users realizing they fucked up big time by saving $50 by buying AMD instead of Nvidia.
@@Wobbothe3rdleads in raster tho.
So Nvidia made a lot of noise about proprietary stuff just to upcharge users.
Steam's definitely the more accurate one, because it is definitely more "impartial" than some random poll on any YT channel. Reason being? People like to trash Nvidia for anything and everything, and be seen as supporting an "underdog", but when asked to put their money where their months are, they buy Nvidia, and that's not without reason. Nvidia has the better hardware and feature set in general, nobody in their right mind would pick an AMD GPU right now unless they can get it heavily discounted over the Nvidia counterpart. So they buy Nvidia and vote AMD like hypocrites, and inflate those AMD numbers in "random" polls. Where they can't manipulate the results easily, would be things like the Steam survey, where they would be caught actually using an Nvidia GPU and not an AMD GPU like they claim they were in those easily manipulated polls.
If you go to comment sections, ironically there are quite a few Nvidia corporate cheerleaders... people forgot to simp for their own wallets in the first place ^^
Nvidia having a better feature set is not true once you look at it with nuance and consider more than the first 12-16 months after launch. Nvidia has so far not enabled new features on older generations, where AMD has. In fact, most features that are useful for a 20-series rtx card in 2024 come from AMD, who are allowing these features ro run on any card. Secondly, AMDs windows drivers surpassed Nvidias sometime in 2020 for stability and ease of use, most notably in having built in overclocking and not actually eating up insane amounts of system resources. Don't even get me started about Nvidia vs AMD on Linux. If you buy Nvidia, you are basically stuck with Microsoft spying on you. The one advantage over AMD that Nvidia has is Raytracing, but Raytracing doesn't actually deliver playable performance below the 700$ mark, which means for most gamers it is a non-feature.
Nvidia is like Apple, except there isn't really a Samsung. AMD is more like some obscure artisan phone brand which most normal people don't even know exists.
@@wfb.subtraktor311 yeah, the features not even being a factor below 700 is so fucking true... But there will always be a bunch of redditors recommending 4060Ti because much raytracing and framegen - the marketing worked, useful idiots have been bred.
@@Micromation Unironically the best marketing stragety ever was to make laptop and prebuilt manufactures put those little Nvidia and intel stickers on everything. Name recognition is 90% of the game with the vast majority of uninformed consumers. When I bring up even AMD CPUs, which are just objectively slapping right now, I often hear "who, what now?" as a response. If your customers don't know you have competition you can kinda do whatever you want and be fine.
@@Micromation ruclips.net/video/-wGd6Dsm_lo/видео.html
You're right on the money. TechTuber audiences are enthusiasts, and most enthusiasts lean toward AMD. This is a bubble. Everyone I play games with on a regular basis, who are afraid to even open their case and use canned air on it, are all on Nvidia gpu's. If you sampled our group, it would be 100% Nvidia. (Yes, I have a 40 series card, because I enjoy RT over 100fps.) How do I know they're all on Nvidia cards? Because when they have problems, I'm their tech support, and no, their problems aren't due to their graphics cards. It's almost always overheating due dirty cases.
That's sad lol
You have to break out the air compressor for cleaning pcs.
@@christophermullins7163 I mean its not surprising if i don't know anything about PC, i wouldn't also touch my case lol i don't want to do something retarded and break something especially those who buys prebuilts which cost extra more rather than if you just build it yourself, and if not most people don't have extra money just laying around if they f something up.
Enthusiasts are mostly Nvidia. AMD fanboys are only enthusiastic about COPING over their inferior purchase.
@@haruusami1831 Exactly this, they're afraid they'll break something. They've invested a bit of money, and not being savvy on exactly how robust each component may be, it's like opening Pandora's box to them.
Everyone in the nerd zone uses Firefox, runs Linux, and has an AMD graphics card. The are ppl are also the most vocal.
AMD card, Chrome fanboy, Windows enjoyer here reporting for duty!
In my opinion Steam HW survey is more of a cookie type of thing. I noticed that everytime I log into my Steam account and I use it for some time on a new or upgraded device (upgraded in more invasive way like new CPU, GPU, MoBo or RAM and not storage space or things like case, fans, coolers or expansion cards and accessories) that is when I get the notification about Steam HW survey and once I take it Im never asked again until I start using new or upgraded system and even then its after some amount of time (so it wont appear when I use my account once or twice on another device).
Thats why I think Steam is frequently monitoring what hardware accounts are using and only after it analyzes the system as new or upgraded one it asks user to participate in the survey but the fact it asks after it notices a change makes me think the entire survey is just like they ask for permission to use data gathered on the user to be used in the official survey results.
Thats at least my opinion on the Steam HW survey functionality..
I have a NVIDIA gpu, but it’s only because I got a 4090, if I wanted to go more budget, I’d get an AMD.
Same here but if I wanted a more budget friendly card I would get 4080S
I have a 4080s it replaced my 3090 I’d go amd if I was shopping in the 300-400 range that’s where amd goes hard.
@@a1racer441I guess it depends on the region. If you can get 6800 XT at comparable price to 4060 Ti, it certainly is a better option, but when compared to 6700 XT, the performance is actually very close or better.
@@Derael Yep, and on the Low end of things the rx 6600 and intels A750 are the kings. Whenever I do Budget builds for my cousins I either go with intel or last gen AMD.
Eventually the Supply of 6600 cards will dry up. But budget builders are gonna be eating good till that happens.
Almost every youtube poll I've gotten about anything has people commenting they chose the minority option. Kinda weird.
Intel is the minority, Intel got the least votes.
Nothing weird about it.
I think there is a big divide between people who build their own computers and people who buy computers in stores. The ones that build their own can go with AMD. But the store bought computers almost always have Nvidia cards. In fact I looked around here and like 90% of computers for sale in a store near me had Nvidia cards in them. And a normie that does not know much will go with whatever looks popular.
There is another important factor, I have 2 different GPUs + the integrated one on my machine, Steam is only detecting the first one (which happens to be the integrated card).
I wonder how many of the AMD users have the integrated card enabled as well, which would skew the results.
You might temporarily force Steam to use your main GPU then manually run the survey by clicking on Help > System Report.
I have an RTX 4070 Ti Super and I use an LG 48 inch 4K OLED TV as my monitor. I felt that the 4070 Ti Super was the minimum I should have gotten for that kind of display. Also I wanted Nvidia for the cuda support. I do like being able to run Ai projects on my computer without having to use only the CPU.
last year i built a whole AMD system for the first time (never bought anything AMD ever) and my experience has been mostly positive
Mostly ? Im thinking of doing the same, if you dont mind sharing your experience with me , thank you
@@hamzaalhassani4154 not a huge issue but maybe like once or twice a month my screen goes dark for a split second when i'm in the browser, but i also have overclocked literally everything in my pc including the monitor itself so that might have something to do with it lol
@@hamzaalhassani4154 the driver software is pretty good but i had a problem with instant replay feature causing stuttering in my games, and one small issue is that maybe once or twice a month my screen goes dark for a split second when in the browser, but that could be also caused by the fact that literally everything in my pc is overclocked including the monitor itself lol
lucky u didnt do any latency sensitive like mixing a lot of audio tracks or DSP. chiplet still have flaw over latency cos their circuit is longer than monolith
@hamzaalhassani4154 I've had an all AMD system recently (switched the 7900xtx for a 4090). The AMD Adrenalin software is far superior to GeForce Experience/Nvidia App.
The drivers were sometimes crashing while playing Helldivers 2.
(Processor is a 7800X3D) Some motherboard brands have BIOS with slow startup, like MSI.
6800XT here. If I had waited a few months more, it would have been a 7800XT. If I slept on giant piles of money every night, it would have been a 4090.
the 7800xt is barely better than a 6800xt though
I was about to buy the rx 7900xtx, but I am waiting cause I don't want the same to happen to me. I will keep the saved money for the next generation. (Rx6800 on my pc)
The 4090 is the fastest GPU of current generation, raytracing or not, so obviously people with *lots* of money will get those.
And if you want raytracing, have some cache, but not ludicrous budget, 4080Super is the second go-to.
Only below that threshold 7900XT(X) start being an actual competitive option. AMD being AMD, did not miss a chance to get behind by keeping to not care about raytracing performance.
Exactly
Yep same here. I kind of wish I had waited, but considering I got the 6800 XT for around $500 and the minimal difference in performance, it doesn't really bother me.
I get the Steam hardware survey from time to time but the thing makes you send a list of all installed applications on the system which I find a bit creepy. That can certainly affect the results.
As a person who works for a large uk retailer Nvidia out sell Amd by 3 to 1 on the DIY builds
I have three systems in the house. the system with the RTX GPU more frequently asks me to complete the steam hardware survey. Coincidence? I dunno. I want AMD to Do well because as a gamer, we cannot have a monopoly. Same with INTEL, I dont want them to go anywhere. however they did need a kick in the teeth for the 10 year stagnation of CPUs.
Gotta 6700XT 🎉
You ever need more than 12GB vram?
@@BlackJesus8463that’s what you should be asking 4070/ti owners, 12gb already gets maxed out @1080p in any high texture open world game, @1440 I’ve seen north of 14/15gbs
Funny, it was my ignorance of the market that has kept me using ATI/AMD for most of my PC gaming history, which goes all the way back to 1995. I'd just buy cheap prebuilts, and those were the parts that end up being used in the computers I end up getting. They served their purpose, and worked well for me. It was only after 2018 that I bothered to actually learn about PC components.
if one thing is obvious..... AMD fans make their opinion loud and clear, that's why you see what you see in the comments lol
I've noticed the same loud AMD fanboyz swarming other channels skewing results and content, like an echo chamber. But most gamers don't look at YT unless they have a problem. Then in Asia where most of the worlds population and gamers are its like 95% nvidia.
How many of these are 1070 / 1080s? Because I'm on a 1070.
beast of a card, my current 6800xt will have to go above and beyond for me to love it the way I loved the 1070
Yeah I have an Nvidia graphics card because I asked a friend to recommend a build and he recommended me an Nvidia graphics card, I didn't even know anything about PC Gaming, but he's been into the game for years so I trusted him.
If anything considering all of the factors amd showing that high on your poll is kind of incredible
I wonder if that sample size include the Steamdeck since the steamdeck sold pretty well and those use AMD CPU and GPU.
I HAD an AMD GPU (the 6950XT) but had to sell it because of many many issues like crashes, driver timeouts and even video playback bugs (YES, video playback bugs in 2024). Take a look in the AMD forums and the AMDHelp subreddit. Tech reviewers keep claiming that AMD have fixed their driver issues and that their drivers are top notch now, then how come the forums are full of people experiencing black screens/grey screens/driver timeouts/individual game crashing and stuttering. Bought myself a 4080 SUPER, that by all means is an overpriced GPU but since then I have not had 1 second of instability and issues.
I think you got a faulty GPU AMD core itself. But yes green team have better drivers and qualities selection.
AMD fanboys are the best example of "vocal minority". And it seems the more they call anyone who buys Nvidia uninformed, stupid and ignorant, the less AMD GPUs sell. Maybe, just maybe, most consumers don't consider slightly lower prices worth giving up much better features and software of Nvidia GPUs?
As someone who has had both desktop and laptop Radeons, I don't think I'll ever buy AMD GPUs again. I faced too many issues which I never did with Nvidia GPUs.
THIS! preach !
It's always hilarious to see, generation after generation, just how wrong commenters are when it comes to the actual reality of the market. No amount of sales calls/quarterly reports/market analysis will convince them that AMD isn't actually that popular with the average consumer.
When did you owned your Radeon cards though? From my own personal experience of owning them for about 5 years (R 9270X > RX 480 > RX 6700XT), i can confidently say that with each card the experience has been substantially more stable. Not saying it's a 100% flawless experience, but you also have to consider that driver crashes are not always related to the software of the GPU manufacturer, Windows can mess things up aswell. I had a case where my drivers would crap themselves when i launched a game, even switching back to older versions did not mitigate the issue and i know these versions did not had that crashing issue. That is, until i updated Windows. In general, you may need to do a little bit of tinkering, but overall my experience has been positive with AMD cards.
Oh, and in case you want to call me a fanboy, i own an Nvidia card at the moment.
@@X_irtz i understand your point, for me to not go AMD is not because of the driver drama but because of Amd's horrible software stack and support in literally everything outside of gaming until then i wont be buying Radeon
'And it seems the more they call anyone who buys Nvidia uninformed, stupid and ignorant, the less AMD GPUs sell.'
I see it the other way around. The worse the AMD GPU sales are, the more inclined AMD marketing is to nudge their fanboys to shout louder.
AMD shills on RUclips make Radeon graphics sound popular while the majority are running out and buying the more expensive Nvidia cards.
Yep bingo.
Currently using a 7800XT from a 5700XT, but i'll probably be swapping to the 50 series solely because AMD is mostly open source (FSR, etc), much worse for streaming on both twitch and discord, and just generally slower to innovate like NVIDIA is. Surely the 50 series will have a new "gimmick that's actually good" to sell it better.
Hey, you highlighted my 6800 xt comment. Forgot to mention I bought my kid an RTX 3060 last xmas because it was on sale and he only plays minecraft and fall guys on a 1080p monitor.
The first video of yours that I saw was "I switched to AMD from Nvidia", 781k views so far on that one. I just checked. I had gotten an AMD gpu (6700 xt) during the crypto famine from the weekly AMD store drop. It was a nice upgrade from my 1070 and I had few issues.
I inclined to believe the "Internet Cafes" hypothesis.
If they broke the survey down by region it would be obvious and AMD would probably have a much much higher share in USA.
@@BlackJesus8463highly doubt that, the average gamer isn’t a enthusiast like the people here, most of them go out and buy a prebuilt or buy nvidia cuz that’s what the popular choice is. I would guess it would still be like 85/15 nvidia
COPE.
That's probably part of it, but the truth is that AMD's reputation is simply damaged by their second rate feature performance and historical software stability.
Radeon is like Honda/Lexus with the reputation of Lada going against Mercedes. People want the luxury brand, especially if the budget brand has a bad reputation, even if the value is worse.
I think there's a bunch of people like myself who don't buy AMD GPUs and won't unless there's a significant change in the company.
My 6800xt served me real well during the crisis and now its in my fiance's PC. I'd have continued owning AMD with the 7900xtx but it died within store warranty and I decided to give the 4080 a shot for a couple hundred more (begrudgingly). But man I gotta say despite the bad value Im happy with it.
In Germany, we have very high electricity costs compared to the rest of the world, which is one of the reasons (including me) why many are more likely to resort to NVIDIA. Because in the same performance segment, an AMD card consumes an average of 25-30% more power.
I know RX 7000 series does, but is it same for RX 6000 series?👀
No majority of and card perform the same as nvdia with lower powerdraw and perform well even when undervolted
AMD is very popular in Germany. 7800XT is close to a best seller during Q1 2024.
@@HardyDimension AMD 6000 series and Nvidia 3000 series were much closer in regards to power consumption compared to how it is with the current gen
@@HardyDimension its close amd don't report correctly the power consuption in the 6000 series (something like total board power vs only the gpu consuption)
I have had both AMD and Nvidia thru the years. Intel Arc stepping doing well with every driver update, I don't think anyone is going to compete at the top level with Nvidia for years, but in the mid-tier section should be good competition in the coming years. Nothing wrong with picking whatever brand you like, as long as you did the research on the product and made the choice that made you happy.
I watch your channel and many other tech channels. I am in the fortunate position of being able to get enthusiast GPUs.
My last 5 GPUs:
RTX 4090
RTX 3080 Ti
RTX 2080 Ti
GTX 1080 Ti
GTX 1080
For me to consider AMD now, they need to be faster than 5090, they need to have better SR than DLSS, they need to have better FG than DLSS (yes it is better less artifacting and judder) they need RR and more importantly they need to be cheaper.
Also Nvidia Broadcast is incredible, I can have my fan and vacuum full blast next to my microphone and my friends cannot hear anything but my voice.
a HUGE amount of NVIDIA hardware on steam are internet cafe hardware. In Ho Chi Minh city - Vietnam, there are like 50-100 internet cafes, each has around 50pcs, and they all use NVIDIA hardware.
I configured and built my pc myself and still use a RX 580, but all my friends have (newer) Nvidia GPUs. That's probably what is going on with most of the AMD GPU commentators as well. Also the framing of questions and the context of asking a question are important for the results. I am nowhere near of buying a new pc, but I still watch hardware news and occasionally configure a pc for fun. Realistically I will buy second hand hardware, or wait a few years before I upgrade to a new system.
I have a Rtx 4070 super
I do legit own an rx 6950. And when they were reasonably priced and available I recommended them. I don’t plan on getting rid of it until most games are below 60fps, so I think she’s got a lot of mileage under the hood left. 1440p 165hz
The steam hardware survey also includes the long tail of old hardware which probably skews even more for Nvidia. Even if there was a hypothetical recent change in the sales data it would be reflected in the hardware survey data rather slowly.
Amd fans are very previlient on youtube. Basically a very loud minority. Amd has akways had very big presence on internet.
yep thats all that they have thats why
I think it`s the need to be different, no matter the bad choice.
It can be like that for any product in the market. really.
It's cope and the need for validation. Even if AMD products weren't inferior it would be unhealthy.
@@Wobbothe3rd would it be unhealthy for NVIDIA owners?
i swapped from a 3090 to a 7900xtx red devil and the only thing im sad about is losing out on CUDA for music production stuff and AI processing. we have something called CEX in the uk that lets you trade in tech and i basically upgraded for only 150 gpb. totally worth it for that Smart Access Memory with my 7800x3d for gaming.
So amd gpus really do suffer from non gaming apps? Thats the only reason I have nvidia. Otherwise I'd go amd real quick.
@@ascissordollynamedgwen9409 they don't per say, I've just had to find alternative versions of stuff like Ultimate Vocal Remover that supports AMD cards instead of CUDA. It's just a huge pain in the ass to go and find alternative versions of stuff that work with AMD cards. Also AMDs version of NVENC for stuff like Sony Vegas isn't nearly as good for GPU rendering but it's still way faster than cpu rendering only.
So if you're doing AI stuff with your GPU or stuff that uses CUDA I probably wouldn't recommend one and would just pay the extra for a 4080 super or something
Is CUDA really that utilised in music production? Unlike 3D rendering with CUDA (now OptiX is way better with RT), music production doesn't seem that hardware intensive but obviously this is completely removed from my field of expertise as 3D generalist....
@@Micromation GPU Audio uses cuda and tensor cores I think.
i get the steam survey every year and have always bought and built with an amd cpu and nvidia gpu. I also have a pre-built mini media pc with an integrated amd processor that has never received the survey.
In years of using steam, I've been asked to to the survey once in 6 years since owning an AMD graphics card but had 2 in 2 years when using my old 980ti
It takes a relatively high amount of knowledge and interest to go against NVIDIA mindshare. AMD CPUs were in that position not so long ago.
Agreed. I just built my first AMD rig (7800x3D/7900XTX). The 7900xtx handles ray tracing a lot better than people seem to realize; just because the 4080 is better doesn't mean the 7900 isn't a good product. I'm thinking about buying a second 7900xtx for another rig
Maybe AMD gpu users need to vent their frustration more, in an overly bout of unrealistic enthousiasm an the dire need to be heard.
good point, counting different logins to steam from same hardware
Another solid video, thankyou.
Also you repeatedly mentioning 'my poll'... hehehehe
As someone fairly new to pc gaming that bought my first rig in 2019 of a local builder then went on to build my second rig in 2021 I was never exposed to or had any knowledge or preconceived ideas about GPU's brands let alone heard of Radeon or Nvidia. Early on it was all about RAM and CPU cores and if you had 1GB of RAM and Intel 4 core processor you were next level. Youd hear whispers about stand alone graphics solutions but it was like some star trek level tech. Before that 256MB was the holy grail and the cpu wasnt as big a deal because solitaire, lemmings and worm were the hit of the day.
What i observed over the last few years is that age seems to be a major factor in the current gpu battlesphere. Weather they own one or not its sees the younger generations pumping newly discovered sources of tech geek testosterone wholly champion Radeon as, you said, the underdog.
Armed with degrees in business economics and marketing, its knowing contacts, double agents, moles and leakers in high up positions that deal with industrial espionage and conspiracy implementation and investigation that makes them formidable foe. Some of the stuff ive read would shock the most hardcore x_files fan out of lala land.
Compared to Radeon, Nvidia seems more like the old timers gpu of choice just sitting back on the porch watching the grass grow without a care in the world. Nothing happens in invidia world, its boring. The most exciting thing RTX does is provide hours of entertainment for Radeons young bloods which come to think of it provides hours of entertainment for the RTX porch rockers.
Its a tech consumer symbiosis.
I've owned AMD cards, I was super vocal about having them, oh em gee guys I got a 5700XT for such a good price with such good performance! But as I kept getting so many issues upon issues and crashes with AMD cards I shut up, switched to Nvidia and have been satisfied ever since, even though I run Linux which is like putting a square peg into a round hole.
nvidia also does have that page that they know whats wrong and still have to fix.
Are you gaming on Linux? Nvidia drivers for professional applications on Linux have been pretty solid since Ampere
@@2intheampm512 I'm watching this channel so yeah I'm gaming. I'm not saying Nvidia is bad on Linux just a worse experience than using an AMD card. Just do your pacman -S amdgpu and you're good to go, with Nvidia you have to do a bunch of stupid bullshit to get a acceptable result.
AMD Market Share -
x86 CPUs - 24%
dGPUs - 12%
AI Accelerators - 5%
Online Comments sections - 97%
There is a huge industry called "graphic studios" that all mostly rely on nvidia.
Like 3D Rendering.
You couldn't even use AMD for specific software. And Nvidia is supporting researches with CUDA.
Just in our office everyone got at least 2x GPUs. That means we just bought 16-20 Nvidia GPUs in the last 2 years.
People like to defend their bad decisions :) nvidia users are just happy playing.
Most people buy pre builds and laptops. The diy space is niche. So when you look at something like steam hardware survey, it doesn't translate at all to a tech channel centered around DIY. You might as well say the biggest gaming GPU is what's in the iPhone. True, sure, but on this channel? Probably not.
Ironic since it’s questionable whether casual gamers will notice a significant effect from DLSS and ray tracing, especially if they play like Minecraft and CS. For the tech nerds those features are worth the price though.
Amd fanboys are loud minority 😂
I got a Rtx 4060 for a good price some months ago. Some people saying, "RX 7600 is the same and cheaper,..." NO, is more Watt consume for same performance (I also have a 65w cpu Amd 5700x, if not my room can get warm in summer) . And I'm playing at 1080p, change from Fsr2 to Dlss is GOD.
The main difference is that people who have their own PC are using AMD, and most of the people who don't have their own computer use Ngreedia, and yes people who are just playing lol or dota won't be surfing youtube to watch things about GPUs since they're just in a net cafe.
So the people on your poll made their own PC that's why the ratio is 9:1 since they might researching for an upgrade, while people playing in net cafes don't really care about GPUs since they don't own the PC.
"won't be surfing youtube to watch things about GPUs since they're just in a net cafe."
So you talking about China!!
Not just China, there's still alot of places where net cafes are popular. Like in Japan, India, South Korea, Philippines. Mostly in the SEA region net cafes are still very popular since not everyone can just buy a PC.
@@hill2hell Really Ok! You know I thought in 2024 most people has PC in home as they have smartphone! And I thought China is Internet Caffe Kingdom 😏
You know when You learn new thing every day its Beautiful Thing!!!! 🙃✌👉
Because nvidia is better, and features matter, not to mention that nvidia gpus are more available worldwide
In what way is Nvidia better enlighten me please 🙏
@@bushi1147 it has better features
@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065
What better features 🤔 if you can't tell me than you're just a 🐑
7800xt here
FSR just sucks imo
On YT our sample is skewed to PC enthusiasts. I wanted an AMD GPU to go with my AMD CPU so I bought a 7900XTX. I use dual monitors, and anytime I clicked on my secondary monitor and sent my game to the background, the AMD GPU driver would crash. I put up with it for months, then suddenly one day it was gone. Fast forward a few more months, I updated my drivers again, and boom, my GPU driver was crashing again. Put up with it for 2 weeks before I sold my Sapphire Trix 7900XTX and bought the White Asus ROG Strix 4080 Super instead. Graphics are buttery smooth, and I'm really enjoying Diablo 4 with Ultra 1440p settings. With ray tracing and frame generation, I'm getting around 120fps. I doubt the 7900XTX would have been able to get over 100fps under the same conditions and they are currently the SAME PRICE in Canada.
I mean, the growing popularity of Linux among PC enthusiasts could be another reason why AMD is so popular vs Nvidia.
On Linux systems, AMD is dependable as the grave. While Nvidia gives you freak errors and crashes since Nvidia kept their drivers proprietary. That's why Valve went with AMD instead of nvidia for the steam deck.
That's starting to change, as Nvidia is now releasing open source Kernal Models for their GPU's. Nvidia is making strong Forays into the world of ARM. Which is still linux dominated. As Windows for ARM is still maturing.
... I have a 7900XTX >_>
I do agree that AMD gets dumped on so much ("bad drivers" etc) that people who have a product they're happy with feel like they have to defend AMD and correct the popular misconceptions
Minorities are always the most vocal, nothing new. Nvidia is objectively better in upscaling and RT, while AMD is cheaper and can have more VRAM in the same price point. Nothing more to it.
this is what has to be said. amd fanboys try to find the cheapest gpu.
and then they try to convince themselves they are technically smarter than green users because they found the cheapest gpu.
and then they try to convince themselves RT, dlss, etc are useless features.
I am pretty sure amd users would go for green one if they had enough money to not care about "value per $"
@@PhilosophicalSock careful you'll get crucified talking bad about AMD in a yt comment section pal
@@PhilosophicalSock yeah dude. I hate ignorants downplaying DLSS. For me it’s the difference between playing at 1440p only on my RTX 3080 or playing 4K DLSS quality/balanced/performance while looking significantly sharper and more detailed. Easily the best GPU technology since adaptive sync in my opinion.
@@PhilosophicalSock They make a good product, but as anticonsumer as they are, I refuse to buy Nvidia - and, AMD wins in bang for the buck anyhow - I've always had a limited budget.
@@Eleganttf2 that is what usually happens on some other channels. amd fans get angry
4070S
I once saw a video about what your graphics card says about you, and for any AMD card, it just showed Linus Torvalds' infamous speech, and I cannot agree more.
According to Newzoo, **DEDICATED** PC Gamers (defined as those who play at least weekly), 32% build their PC, and 30% buy a prebuilt, 38% for laptop. So really 68% prebuilt desktop/laptop. The number is likely even higher for prebuilts for casual/infrequent PC gamers.
AMD fanbois aee loudest
4090 here! I generally don't say I have one as it's price in Aus was completely ridiculous and unless your a hardcore gamer you will just think it was a stupid purchase.
I built the pc myself and checked the plug about 20 times lol.
On a side note in regards to steam survey, the 1060 was number one for so long but I don't know anyone that has had one for years 🤷♂️
Steam survey will have people believe a 3060 is highend
For me, I built my last PC with a budget that made AMD the most bang for the buck. System and drivers worked great for my needs and graphics were very good. Built a new AMD PC after awhile and, again, have been very happy. I am vocal in comments because reviews tend to make RT and upscaling the end all be all for a GPU. My 7800X3D/7900 XT does 1440p at 185 fps at Ultra Settings, 4k at 65 fps High. When I use Ray Tracing medium in Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk, I still have a good experience. FSR may not be as good as DLSS, but my games look great and run at 280-539 fps. I think AMD users just want to let everyone know that the second best GPU is still pretty dang good and that you get more substantial features for your money in gaming.