Jon Moxley SHOOTS On Vince McMahon And WWE Creative!
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Jon Moxley, the former Dean Ambrose, spoke out this week about Vince McMahon and WWE's flawed creative process and spilled his guts to Chris Jericho about his decision to leave WWE and the night that finally broke him, refusing to recite an awful line about Roman Reigns and his leukemia, his final payoff for The Shield network special and behind the scenes of his AEW debut at Double or Nothing. Solomonster has the recap and thoughts on getting confirmation about all of the things we thought were true for the longest time.
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Rollins: “If you’re gonna have a Scottish Psycho Path in your corner. Ehhhh!!...I’m gonna have a lunatic in mine!”
Ambrose: “THEY RUIN EVERYTHING!!!”
I hated that when it happened. His plan would've been way better. At Summerslam have the ref take a bump then Mcintrye and Ziggler are beating Rollins ass then Ambrose music hits, the crowd would've gone crazy
Gotta love how much he sounds like one of us. Lol
@@jordan12118 Yeah they did it for pete dunne too when they had kurt announce him coming instead of just hitting his music kills the surprise kinda cause gotta do 2 pops instead of one huge one
Didnt they also do that for Kevin Owens' return too?
@Shorty no the music would've been better
Jon was a lot more civil than Punk, but his comments illustrates how frustrating it is to work in WWE.
His wife still works for WWE, so it's likely he's trying to tread a fine line between venting everything he wants to say and not get his wife in too much hot water with WWE.
@@TheJuliet316 That and he didn't have the medical issues Punk claims he had or the run ins with Triple H as well.
@@loganm986 Let's see: First world title reign he lost more than he won and didn't even lose the title in an actual match, second title reign had a great first with Jeff and was immediately fed to taker, then he was losing to every part timer there was on the roster (Rock, Taker, Lesnar, Triple H), was champion for 434 days and lost 60% of his matches, was wrestling with a staph infection amongst other injuries as well as never main eventing mania even though he along with Cena were the most popular superstars on the roster (Punk Vs Taker should've main evented Mania over rock vs Cena 2. Punk's 500 title reign vs Taker's Streak. It writes itself)
@@TheJuliet316 aj lee was still working with wwe at the time of the podcast
@@mramos1126 And we saw the consequences of Punk's scorched Earth podcast with the way AJ lost the Divas title to Nikki and the next night on RAW.
Jon Moxley confirms what everyone has known since 2003....
1993
@@EmoEmu
1991*
It's what I felt since he tanked a huge money making story because of his ego: The InVasion.
Way back before that even. The attitude era was something they caught wind of from ECW and made their own. Vince was coming up with Mantaur, Repo Man and Bastion Booger. That's what Vince's creative skills are like if no one offers up something better and convinces him to try it out.
Vince is not a creative genius. His only genius skill has previously been to surround himself with great minds like Pat Patterson and have them make him look good. That and the fact that he only sleeps 4 hours and works the rest of the day.
It's interesting how Jon was reiterating what everyone has been saying about the WWE for years, yet the apologist mock the people who are logical thinkers.
Its funny how people in the company mock fans for criticizing when they're own former co-worker validates our opinions.
It’s funny how many of the apologists are now AEW fanatics
Its funny how people attack a person for telling the truth about a company and their bad business model, and defend that same company yet they know deep down that said company is atrocious.
It’s funny how everyone keeps saying “It’s funny.” 😆
@@JohnKobaRuddyit's funny how butthurt wwe fans say its aew fans
That Michael Cole impression was spot on 😂
I found Jon's podcast with Jericho to be very similar to CM Punk's situation in terms of frustration with the company and their so called creative team, i found it very open and at times brutally honest. I will give mega props and big respect to Jon for staying to the bitter end and not walking out like CM Punk did even though i wouldn't have blamed him if he did. I would have walked out on the spot if Vince wanted me to go out on TV to say awful lines about Roman Reign's leukemia but i'm so glad he refused to as it would have been so distasteful. All i've got to say to Jon Moxley is thank you for all the great work you did with The Shield and as a singles star, i wish you the best of luck in AEW and i hope everything goes well for you. You truly deserve it.
I couldn’t get over his Vince impression😅
"It's good shit"
Lol it was spot on
His vinnie Mack impression was spot on lol
Lethal dose of Poison ☠️ lmao
I’ve listened to dozens and dozens of wrestling interviews/shoots/podcasts. And this episode of talk is Jericho has to be the best one since the CM Punk one with Colt Cabana.
Russo: Brooooo its a work broooo
"We never pushed anyone, bro. We just listened to the fans and put the most popular guys in the main event spots. But we didn't give anyone a push, bro."
Yes, Russo actually said something like this on a podcast. He truly didn't know what a "push" is in wrestling.
I feel like WWE has become the new WCW. In terms of the creative process, the last 5 years have been pretty bad. I feel like since they got the money from the Saudi deal and Fox everything on Raw and Smackdown is on autopilot. It's a real shame to, because they have so many great wrestlers on their roster. By the way it's not too shocking to believe that Vince would use Roman's Leukemia to get cheap heel heat. Because I'm pretty sure he was the one who came up with the line for Randy Orton to say that Eddie Guerrero is in Hell. Vince has no shame, and he has a real sick sense of humor. Good for Jon, for standing up to Vince, and refusing to say those lines about his friend.
Big show used the line you're the white girl and I'm kobe Bryant in a 2003 rap battle against cena. So vince thinks a rape joke, which itself was referring an ongoing trial at that time, as cheap heel heat. Hell,he had Paige bring up Charlotte's dead brother for cheap hell heat.
And used the death of Paul Bearer to give Punk more heat.
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I'm sure Jericho has a freezer filled with those Steaks
@@Lord_Bibulous so you get a *steak* in the company
Stone Cold Steve Austin himself would not be able to get over today.
If you disagree, tell me why.
He would be able to get over, just not in the WWE.
28:00
Listening to this SoundByte again after many months, it's sad knowing what's happened to some of the WWE roster mentioned here, who were then speculated to be leaving at the ends of their contracts.
Jon Moxley is a perfect example of wrestlers not needing WWE to be successful in pro wrestling. Fast forward to AEW Full Gear and he along with Kenny Omega put on a modern day classic match that imho, was better than alot of matches he had in WWE.
Poor ec3 man he helped me yesterday by giving me good advice
Don't call yourself the top one percent when they book you like the bottom one percent?
Ismael Flores what was the advice?
It’s funny what Jason said it beginning when he said you know for every CM punk or John Moxley there might be three or four guys that see WWE differently and they think Vince McMahon is great. I got to thinking about the people who have said that lately and most of them are guys that had their best run in the attitude era but who just stayed around for a long time like Mark Henry or Kane or HBK. Those guys have a lot of leeway with the company and they already made their mark. Guys like Jon Moxley and CM punk broke in after the hay days were gone. So all of these guys got into WWE and never got a chance to become a pro wrestler. Not the way they wanted to. They never got to cut their own promos they never got to call their own matches. They went to work for a wrestling company that thinks they’re a fucking sitcom with writers.
I like how the old out of touch man is the one telling his employees the wrestlers no you don't know or understand your own character I do. Literally telling these people coming up with probably dozens on dozens of creative ideas like punk said as Moxley has said, I know you better than you know you. What the fuck? The saddest thing is vinces father was younger when he stepped down to allow his son to run with his vision. And yet Vince can't let go
Vince is legitimately killing what made him his millions/billions......wrestling.
This may sound horrible, but a part of me wishes Ambrose would said that line about Roman that he didn't want to say, for the sake of WWE losing sponsors. We all know Vince loves money more than anything, and if they lose those major sponsors, THAT would be the wake-up call he desperately needs. Losing sponsors because of something he wrote and told one of his own talents to say live on national television will make him reevaluate his ways of running his show.
This proves everything about Vince Mcmahon. He's not genius booker but an idiot man child. And the fact that he's would use Roman's actual leukaemia treatment just to mock the fans was disgusting and very disrespectful.
What do you expect from a man who wanted to be the "storyline" father for his daughter's child?
@@Lord_Bibulous 😂😂
@@godphoenix66x Would be funnier if it wasn't true. When Stephanie said hell no to that proposal, he then suggested that Shane be the father. Because incest is hilarious.
@@Lord_Bibulous only George R.R. Martin would write a better incest story than Meekmahan. Lol
He's a good promoter. The moment he's involved in creative it's disaster. It has always been this way. It was WCW that forced him to do things differently.
Let's be real here: Vince OWNS WWE. That's great, really it is. He'll never have to worry about being broke again ever in his lifetime. But what about everyone in his employ? Once he's gone: what are they going to do after he drives the company into the ground?
ASUKA and SHINSUKE NAKAMURA need to go to AEW. I cannot stress how imperative it is for both of them to go to AEW. They are both suffering in WWE; two raw talented individuals who have so much to deliver in both divisions and are bonafide champs that are tough to match are shackled. I don't know who their manager is but that person has not done a good job and need to work super hard in getting them out of WWE and working with Kenny Omega in AEW.
Dean Ambrose wasn't "Must See" for me, but he had his moments. What really had me shaking my head was him losing to Bray Wyatt with a TV exploding in his face. That right there was the height of "Do wacky shit just because" that Vince had him stuck doing. That moment summed up Deans entire post-shield run. Goofy shit that did NOT need to happen. He was money! WWE Jerking him around wasn't as frustrating as how they did Ziggler for years, but looking back, they could have made Dean top guy at any point but he was a walking slapstick character for absolutely no reason. Not lack of talent, not inability to get over, just absolute lunacy imposed upon him by the boss.
balthorpayne they fucked up all three of the shield members single runs
I love the thumbnail with Dean Ambrose in the front of the front, with Vince and a skull burning in the back, so badass!
He was saying everything that guys like Meltzer say, but people think that Meltzer makes shit up. But because Prichard “was there” he’s to be believed. Bruce is good with stories, but when it comes down to possibly stepping on toes, Bruce will hide the truth.
Yep. I really like Prichard but it's so obvious that he's white washing his stories to protect people.
WWE roster is way to big... big enough where they have no plans with some wrestlers not superstars WRESTLERS. Back to Joey styles promo cut...
Hortdog 00 exactly u r absolutely 100% correct they have to many people and don’t know what to do with them just like wcw towards the end then again they have so much air time in tv and the network still they just can’t do anything with them
Hortdog 00 FACTS.
See, now I can't help but wonder, what in the world did they try to make him say that was worse than the cancer line?
To sum up everything mox said in one sentence “ Vince is out of touch with everything”
Remember on the Monday night war dvd when Eddie Guerrero said all he wanted to do was wrestle and wcw made him not want to wrestle anymore? Dean felt the same because of wwe and vince. Ironic and sad. Wwe is literally becoming wcw
And interestingly, for diametrically opposite reasons.
In WCW, the inmates were running the asylum. There was no leadership at the top. There was no structure. So guys like Hogan and Nash had free reign to put out the crap that WCW became.
In WWE, it's too much management. It's micromanagement. No room for anyone to develop their characters. No one with the balls to tell Vince that the ideas are crap. Nobody can get themselves over anymore. Vince decides who will get pushed and it doesn't matter how hard the fans resist.
Moxley was quite reasonable in his objections. He was analytical and fair. Mox was complimentary of many things in WWE. His frustration with WWE's backstage machinations and booking make complete sense. Moxley had no freedom and was constantly stymied. He played good soldier and left of his own accord.
The creative frustration Moxley voiced has been mentioned before by other former WWE talent. Sure CM Punk is the best analogy, but there is a big difference. Punk's Colt Cabana interview made him look like an angry and bitter asshole who napalmed any bridge possible. I never want to see Punk in a ring again and I don't respect him at all.
Moxley was an adult and did talk about the many friends he made in WWE, especially wife Renee Young. Moxley is grateful for his time in WWE, but he knew that he needed to leave. Moxley describes that he could not get out of bed in the morning and did not label it Depression. That's the easy way out. Moxley articulated himself well and I have total respect for his decision.
makes you think like does wwe/vince even care to wanting to change the creative process since alot of people who had left have said the same thing, take promos for example i think when people do promos practice at the PC they are put on the spot and not handed something to read off
Aww punk said bad things about daddy Vince. Foh clown.
Coming back to this one. Yeesh around 29 min talking about how Andrade and Russev will be better off in AEW. That aged poorly.
Pro Wrestling fans are treating Vince like football fans treated Al Davis. Live long enough & you will become the villain
I was just thinking this. Maverick genius who never gave up control to anyone and ran the product straight into the ground.
The only reason I don't think that Nov. 26th episode of Raw was the worst ever is because I thought that 4th of July episode was worse.
What happened on that one? I forgot
Wwe is written only for the person that creates it! Vince is far past his prime, should’ve stepped down after he made punk quit!
@Dark Demonik Yeah, he was fired on his wedding day. Got a pink slip in the mail from Mcmahon.
Davon Baxter-Davis he still walked away that pink slip meant nothing
"THIS IS SUCH GOOD SHIT" ought to be a meme
I’ve had a staff infection....it’s not fun bruh not at all.
"It's such good shit." 🤣🤣🤣
Currently waiting for the Bray Wyatt interview.
Well......that's egg on my face.
Looking back on this 3 years later and reflecting. Vince is now gone..
So many wrestlers trying to run from WWE. You hate to see it but love to see it all the same.
Now that they may have a viable alternative. Why the hell not?
Here's another problem: the XFL is coming back next year and my friend said "Unlike WWE, how is Vince going bring in attendance?" Vince can't make up a number for a football game.
That's why they don't produce top Superstars anymore. They hold everybody down. Specially those who have charisma like Moxley, Rusev, Cesaro and few others! Stone Cold or the Rock would have never been the legends they are in this modern era if they were treated this way!
I still remember how they blew that entire fued with him and Brock...The match they had at Mania wasn't good at all...4/10 at the most.
Blaine Perry They dropped the ball? Brock did. Listen to the wade keller podcast. Brock literally refused to do anything and didnt take ambrose seriously. Ambrose was willing to take any bump, thumbtacks, ect. Brock's refused. He's a fucking dickhead.
That's what I mean, it was suplex, suplex, suplex...The only thing that was good outta that match was the F5 on the chairs...I expected so much more from this match. I don't even think they went passed 15 minutes.
@@deeznutz3105 should of been WYatt vs. Brock.
Vince has become what he hated....WCW....
WCW Was NEVER As Bad As WWE Has Been For The Last 15 Years!
@@84slaughter I sadly have to agree....even through the Mike Awesome fat chick thriller gimmicks....
HaHa, Yeah They Misused Mike Awesome Something Terrible Yet Still Better Than WWE!
Who would bolt for AEW? Agreed about Rusev, Shinsuke, IF they ruin Bray for a second time. Asuka and Sasha for the ladies, obviously.
Sasha.... she’ll destroy vkm on Jericho’s podcast
If WWE ever lets her go.
TheJuliet316 she isn’t coming back to wwe tv. She’s in a worse situation then Ambrose was.
@@hortdog00 , I think she may end up coming back maybe summer. I think they may give her a push. if that happens the question is how long will not last before they say she is happy now that's enough of that and then things go back to same old same old
But in case you are correct, yep she is in a lot worse situation then Ambrose because she has years left how many who knows?
Let's say she has 3 years left she can't wrestle until that time is up. She will be 30 still relatively young but missing some prime years. And I was just using that amount as an example..
conner huston Moxely is 33. So her being 30 won’t hurt her
Sasha knows what she deserves
As much as Vince is the problem, fans who will still defend creative after this interview are also the problem because there will be a portion of fans that will say that MOX was making it sound worse than it was and those fans are the reason it will continue
TheJrockfreak it just makes them so naive as Vince himself is which I’m not defending, but I’m just saying.
@@RealKyndleNance nah your defiantly right it does make them naive
I think the one thing that Vince McMahon forget is that his genius in the 90s and 80s didn’t come from him writing peoples promos. The way he beat WCW In the ratings wasn’t Vince McMahon riding promos or being this crazy micromanagement person. He had guys like Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, The Rock, Triple H, Mick Foley and The New Age Outlaws Who could really be creative on their own, that could cut great wrestling promos that they came up with. Vince McMahon realized how great his talent was and he just let them loose. That’s how we got the most successful era in WWE history. I think WWE is so used to re-writing history on their DVDs and shit like that , that that they have really rich and their own history in their mind that all their success came from the brilliant mind of Vince McMahon and nobody else. Not true. There are most successful run was because he let the wrestlers do their thing. You think if he would’ve handed a script to Steve Austin or the undertaker back in 1999 that that shit would fly?
He also had Jim Ross who pushed to sign Foley and Austin as well as recruiting the Rock. There also wasn't a team of writers scripting everything the wrestlers said.
Imagine if he wrote original Kane’s promos
Don't forget your Omaha steaks! 😂
This has aged well lol
You wanna know a HUGE name I could see leaving sometime? Roman Reigns. Vince's boy. Jon Moxley recently talked about the time Roman had to say Sufferin Succotash and Roman did NOT want to say it, he tried to fight it and get it removed, but couldn't. And he had to say it on TV and it sucked and they both knew it. Just that alone kind of paints a picture of what Roman has to deal with. I would argue he was one of the most hurt by Vince's booking because he was hated for YEARS by the fand because they found out he was "the guy", and it took a real life bout with Leukemia to win back any goodwill from the fans.
Also add that he finally found lightning in a bottle when he turned heel.
8k? That's a lot of value for money. I'm a photographer and when I saw that I said "He must have paid 10k for this. Can't see them pulling it off for less."
Mox and the photographer go back to their CZW days, so there's that history to explore
The Emo Emu it was 8k for just the red camera
"He's injecting a lethal dose of poison"... Lol! Nice nWo reference from 2002...👍😁
Solomonster, when are you going to get your Omaha Steaks plug?
I'm still waiting
Vince turning into the Mad King
"Bury them all!"
Seth Rollins might need to be a Kingslayer again....
It seems like Vince doesn't want to change his creative process. He wants to pay his employees more money and he thinks that'll work. If AEW is successful, and things don't change in WWE within the next 5 years...Vince and WWE is in serious trouble. It may not even take that long.
First off, I swear, at first, misread the name as Nathan Jones. Early morning. Anyways, you do have a point there, but feels like WWE would have to nearly hit rock bottom for change to happen, much like how I keep hearing WCW kept beating them in Monday Night War before change happened. And do feel, the end of the Monday Night War was the worse thing to happen in wrestling, because over time, felt made WWE lazy.
they're not going anywhere
@@nathanielduncan4692 Not with uncharismitic midget wrestlers
@Jeff Pryce his goofy shit? Like Orange Cassidy?
@Jeff Pryce You're opinion is pretty stupid & wrong. The gas mask I'll give u that but everything else is wrong.
You are totally right. Vince McMahon finds shit - and toilet humor in general - the funniest stuff in the world.
Deep down he is so low-class.
AEW needs the new Hart foundation
He said what we've all been saying for years. He just put a face behind it. Now it can no longer be ignored. Even with Jericho it didn't have as much impact because he is trying to tip-toe on the border-line so that if he wants to go back to WWE someday he can. Dean was like "M-maaaan F that s**t. Threw up them dubs and was outta there.
The announced it so they can avoid a Scott Hall jumping to WCW situation, just so they could kill shock value if it happened that went to AEW.
I think it was about saving face. When Wade Keller broke the news, they didn't react at first.
Vince McMahon: “It’s such good shit!”
Take out the “good” part and you’re spot on. 😆
Thats nothing new. A lot wrestlers made the same argument that Vince Mcmahon made poor decisions.
This was the most cathartic interview I’ve ever heard. Moxley deserved better than the shit that Vince and creative gave him. Happy for Moxley’s rejuvenation for wrestling and his success in AEW.
success lol guy he hasnt even wrestled on aew yet stfu
Serg Flores he got the biggest pop of the night, people have been anticipating his hiring in the company. So far that’s success. Creating a buzz. So how about you stfu and stop being such a buzz kill.
Serg Flores fucking dumbfuck virgin
guess 66 go watch your wwe kiddy show you nerdy fuck
FINALLY! Been waiting for your thoughts on this.
"it's such good shit" lmao 😂
Listening to this made me so hopeless but today after Vince has gone everything looks so rosy. Triple W at the helm!
29:04 solomonster called it….
*gets ready to go to the store; sees notification pop up* Dammit Solomonster! :-P
14:14 As far as Goldberg goes, We had no idea what was going to come in less than a year after this podcast. I feel like Goldberg winning from the Fiend is the moment that finally broke me on WWE. I can't even bring myself to be angry at WWE anymore. I just feel nothing anymore. That's something for me to say considering how I used to watch it as a kid and then again for the last ten years.
Its like Eugene is in charge of WWE.
Fred Mcelroy I know! I wouldn’t be surprised if they make the Revival and the Usos play musical chairs.
My only problem with Moxley, is his gimmick of being a tough guy. Whatever bad ideas took place in WWE is to me their fault. But seeing him debut in AEW, his body language is so goofy looking. I think he thinks it's a "tough guy" thing but he just looks silly. Other than that, guy knows how to pop a crowd. I hope him and I hope especially AEW take off. I'm at least excited for actual pro wrestling, not the sports entertainment crap.
Nick Gonzales OH MAN THAT IS RIGHT! I’ve been trying to put into words that his demeanour was fucken weird, and you hit the nail on the head!
drumrocka his demeanor was weird? Are you fucking stupid too? Holy shit the wwe virgins out in full force.
Nick Gonzales He suppose to be unhinged you soft fatass.
What I don't understand about this is why the wrestlers take most of the blame for saying and doing a lot of the things that Vince McMahon and the scriptwriters tell them to say and do when we are already aware of the fact that the WWE is scripted.
Mox definately dropped the bomb on creative.
Vince could very well live for another 10 to 20 years so it will be a very long time before someone new takes control and changes things up in this company Vince isn't give up the wwe to Triple H until the day he dies
I'm happy for dean...Jon Moxley he did what's best for him
But at what cost? AT WHAT COST??
This makes me wonder if that last interview Cole did with The Shield before that last chapter network special where Dean went off on Cole was real. I tend to think it was because Reigns and Rollins reactions looked real. I mean what did Dean have to lose by going off script.
on an episode of martin where cole is fired from his job on martins tv show "word on the street", out of guilt, martin hires cole to be his assistant. charles barkley was supposed to be a guest on the show, but cole screws up and barkley bails on martin. so to replace the hole of a guest on the show, they have hustleman (tracy morgan) with a pet, ICEPICK, THE RAPPIN' CHIHUAHUA!!!!😂😂😂😂😂 funny episode.
Vince will drown his company to pre-Attitude Era's 90's if he has to. He doesn't want nobody else running it.
I think the only reason he had any success in WWE is because he was affiliated with Rollins & Reigns, he was only a one time World champion while the other two have been multiple time champs, that told me alot about how they felt about him
Not true
This just shows that Moxley has a heart & a creative mind and Really gives a damn about pro wrestling.
keep hearing how great this interview was. did he awkwardly pause like he did with steve austin though?
Nope! His demeanor was completely different.
I actually think WWE will get better in the next year or two. I think this podcast was an NWO type moment. I know not to the same level to say the least lol, but if the wrestling world is focusing on something other WWE it will force them to get their shit together. Plus I don’t see HHH being one to be content, he has a legacy to build behind the scenes.
I wish someone asked about him and Rollins being booed at TLC 2018
I knew Vince was out of touch. But jesus. The sooner Triple H takes over from him the better. Creative is so shit. Really needs fixing.
Vince is a real life Special Ed from Crank Yankers.
I remember special Ed.
Oh snap!
The current WWE product reminds me a lot of WCW in the late 90s/early 2000s. Wrestlers are starting to leave in droves. Ratings keep dropping lower and lower as the fans go with them. For all the great things McMahon has done for this business I don't think he realizes how much harm he is doing to his own company. He's never going to pass the reigns over to anyone else so the sad reality is realistically things are going to stay the same for at least the next 10 to 20 years.
Good piece Solomonster!
VInce should try to get a 4 year deal with Nickelodeon
Right
Ambrose just described me before work, I should find something new
How much do y'all wanna bet that after that podcast, Vince was sitting somewhere going; "That son of a bitch! I had no idea there was a pooper scooper line! I can't believe we had such good shit and never got to use it!"
We could just
Keep giving attention to the
New Guys
AEW
Another way for Vince to get the message don't watch
RAW
Or
Smackdown
Give attention to where things are better
AEW ,NXT , NJPW, IMPACT ,ROH
We Don't need WWE
WWE needs us
well, all of this stuff is finallycatching up with Vinny.
How come wwe didn't add time on his deal for all that time missed? Didn't that happen to Harper recently?
They pick and choose who to fuck with. Very likely they thought he was just taking a break and would be back later this year or next.
His contract was up and he let them know he won't be resigning in advance and played yes man till the end so they couldn't put any more dates on to him and didn't bitch on twitter about being denied for early release before your contractual obligations are up for renegotiation
Great content Jason
The NDA point was interesting. Can an independent contractor be beholden to an NDA?
I have to call a little bit of bullshit on this whole Moxley situation. Now we all know the bullshit that goes on backstage in WWE with creative, that's no surprise. But this whole poor pity me shit with Moxley is ridiculous. And i find it kind of funny how people are now all of a sudden acting like this guy is on the level of Stine Cold Steve Austin or hell even a Cm Punk, when he's nowhere close to that level. But despite that, this guy was always in the top spot in WWE and in top programs, and got paid millions of dollars to basically be mediocre. We should all be so unfortunate. How many people would love to be in that position?
Let's be honest, the "creative freedom" he wanted was to do more dives out of the ring, bleed more, and work a lighter schedule. And maybe more freedom on the mic which is understandable. It's not like who he is now is anymore fuckin different than who he was in WWE. What the fuck is the difference between John Moxley and Dean Ambrose? Has he altered his look or done something drastically different that I'm not aware of? "He can talk asses in the seats." I'm sorry, was this man a Hulk Hogan or Rock esque superstar on the indies and i just don't know about it? Now no, no one should have to feel depressed at the place where they make a living for themselves. But Moxley and all these bandwagon fanboys need to stop acting like his life was so miserable in the WWE. Now that last little run that he had where they turned him heel, and he was coming out dressed as Bane and taking needles in the ass, and talking about pooper scoopers and all this other garbage...yeah i can't defend that. That was fucking trash.
And, of course , now wwe has said Ambrose is one of those guys u cant make happy. Their trying to paint him out to be a cm punk style malcontent. Lololol... this fucking company man.
SNL "Tough to Watch" great line
Wrestling, too, if not more so
Vince is one of those people who reach a certain milestone and chooses to personally self sabotage themselves
Sounds like he’s in the wrong company it’s not a wrestling show it’s an entertainment show/ soap opera like game of thrones and snl but doesn’t get anywhere near the ratings lol
Except he's not in the wrong company now, he left.