How FORG1VEN Ruined His Career…
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2023
- FORG1VEN is often regarded as one of the most controversial ADCs in League of Legends Esports. His raw talent was always overshadowed by his toxic personality, both in and out of the game. This is the Story of FORG1VEN's Career as a Pro Gamer.
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How do you guys think Forg1ven ranks among EU adcs? I’d say for his era he was definitely a top 3 alongside Zven and Rekkles. Just my opinion tho
easily
Hans sama > Forg1ven
@@rightcrite4140 lol
Hans sama had a super solid performance on RGE (and rn at G2) but his year on TL was so yikes
To be so much of an asshole and still have a place in competitive TEAM esports, I believe he must have been one of the best, but I do have my doubts about him being better than peak Rekkles/Zven
"As this dude was a walking fossil pushing nearly 30 years old" LOL why you gotta do him like that
If he can dish flame he’s gotta take it too lmaooo
@@LoLAthlete lol
He did everyone who is turning 30 as well. Unintentionally
he never really flamed anyone @@LoLAthlete
The best part about him leaving Shalke is the miracle run they managed to pull off
Definitely. Odoamne and Abbedage played much better the next split
That team was garbage without forgiven. and has faded into obscurity.
still remember his crying interview when he forced to join Greece's duty. He and Svenskeven was fun to watch on LCS EU
I remember watching that live! It was so sad hearing him tear up he was trying to hold it back so hard
He was the best ADC in europe for so long. He invented meta builds and runes for bot lane. He had great mechanics and game knowledge. Konstantinos "Forg1ven karfalodemonas" Tzortziou we are lucky to still see you playing 1v3 on botlane and flame the unskilled players :P
:P he was a demon during his day brother
karaflodemonas xaxaxa
@@LoLAthlete How u know someone is a good ADC ? 1) Big EGO 2) Toxic 3) Skill of a God // The problem is he lost his skill in the military if he reach his peak again one day mb he will shine in LEC
He was never the best though. Fans were hyping him as the best but the results were never there to back it up.
@@Jon-xq3xgye cuz if u watched the game u would know? lmfao “results” as if he was rly meant to 1v9 in professional thats funny😂
Fun fact - he did not change at all, he is as toxic in soloQ as he was before. Wisdom does not come with age at all.
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But really you have to remember that when he joined schalke the meta was not botlane centric at all and to be fair his gameplay was not the reason why they were losing so many games. Plus it's not like they were any better when he left
It wasn’t but he still looked washed up as sad as it is to say. And the split after he left S04 did very well getting fourth
@@LoLAthlete still has nothing to do with his abilities in the game. Forg1ven has been the best of his era, created the adc meta and overall was the only adc that could match lpl and lck. In 2020 the meta wasnt anything that Forg1ven could put his signature. I am pretty sure that if Forg1ven was playing right now at this meta, he would absolutely be top 3 adcs on LEC. People just dont realise ahow ahead of their years some players are or were
@@LoLAthlete Dude XDDDD...the guy went rank 1 in eu west server 10 days after he ended his military services,and while not playing for like 9 months or so.
Straight to rank 1 in the server
You dont seem to realise that a team can make anyone look bad,even if it is quite the opposite
@@cirilloscater5545 forg1ven looked washed on s04. he had like one decent xayah game
They were a lot better without him actually. Him leaving was what started the Schalke miracle run.
a caveat to take into consideration is that several ADCs including doublelift were not performing well on Senna more out of how the champion plays than their own skill. Forg1ven excelled on more agressvie champs like lucian, tristana, etc. while senna is a hard scalling champ with low atk speed growth. this also applied to aphelios for some pros too again including doubklelift.
When he said “he was pick up by sk gaming” and showed skt i lol a lilttlr
Good Video, really apreciate these history/documentary formats
I think he was a very relatable and insanely skilled guy. He got sometimes mad over his Teammates or over loosing in general like we all do sometimes, the problem was that SoloQ and Pro play is different you gotta keep cool there and work with your team even if youre completly outperforming everyone :D. Great player one of the best, and he was never toxic outside of the game. Still remember his peak Dodging mechanics were like scripting haha
I also think he relized his own talent and wanted to compete at the very top and wanted to go all in for winning. When it doesnt worked out he went mental and flamed his mates or underperformed. I assume the best teams(G2 and Fnatic at the time) wouldn't wanted him for his toxic habits and at H2K he was able to pull as much as possible only loosing to some of the best teams in the world. Beating EDG (which was China's Top Seed) twice is pretty solid. They even beat Rox Tigers in worlds skirmishes continiously. Not bad i'd say considering H2k wasn't having a Star-Roster they were more like Underdogs.
My Huge respect to Godgiven, made me play and master adc back then especially Caitlyn and Sivir haha
Thank you for the kind words :)
I wholeheartedly agree he’s sort of the “solo queue superstar” who resembles a lot of the average league fan base. He was so skilled that it compensated for his lack of team play/sportsmanship. It got him pretty far but at the end of the day still hindered his potential.
by far
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Being forgiven and trying to get into a team with lol players well known for being the most sensitive people on earth, it was doomed to fail.
Gotta say, this is lazy research. Basically just telling off fandom wikia pages.
There are plenty of more research to build a better documentary, such as the extended interviews with Thoorin as Forg1ven's teammates all confirm that after their IEM run in spring 2015, the team was never the same again. Even though they finished 15-3, the team atmosphere was rotten to the core as Forg1ven's ego refused to accept that there were other ADCs to play other than Graves and Lucian, the former had a rework on the way basically leaving him with only 1 ADC to play before summer season ended.
As GE Tigers did, they drafted differently which the other EULCS teams copied causing Forg1ven to no longer being the primary carry force on SK for the remainder of the year. And Fox losing confidence lead to their collapse as the meta shifted away from top-jungle being impactful.
It seems to me that forgiven was to League of Legends what Idra was to Starcraft 2. Players who were very solid in a very specific aspect of the game pushing them far ... but getting toxic very quickly especially when the games didn't turn in their favour.
Worse, their toxicity and narrow focus prevented them from adapting their game .... adaptation, that's very important in competitive sports, but especially in esport where patches are abundant and the meta can change at the drop of a hat.
And while both Idra and Forgiven had a somewhat respectable run in their respective games, neither were at the very top ( for the reasons mentioned above).
the kevin durant of league of legends
he was way ahead of his time, and not just for EU standards
For all the flaws he might have in his character, it's not a bad idea to have at least somewhat of a main character syndrome in LEC/LCS. A lot of good players stuck with bad teams just to get thrown out by the bad staff and not having options because they couldn't perform on those teams.
I'd also argue that at least LCS and LEC with some exceptions have very bad coaches, often forcing champs and playstyles on players just because of some statistics of other players.
After his tweet against Schalke they immedietly won their next game against G2
Forg1ven was for a very long period of time the best adc in europe.
He was legit under the top 3 ADCs of the entire world the year he played worlds guys. I cant describe to you how much he dominated entire LCS, it was like having a Korean ADC in europe smurfing on the rest. In EU he was 100% without a doubt the best ADC and in the worlds Tournament there were Ruler, Bang and Uzi who one could rank above him, since he had on his own left fking Deft (current world champion btw) behind him!
Sadly his Character was very stupid and arrogant and so his incredible potential stopped there, but i am very sure, that if he had a different mental, he could have actually become the best player that EU ever has had, too bad his story is a losers story instead...
Definetly one of the best adc's or even players of all time's during his peak years. I remember his Kda stats were by far ahead of others ranking 1st multiple splits. Such a great time to watch Eu lcs nostalgic days! I also remember even after his military years later he came back and instantly being in top 10 Challenger again absolutely dominating soloQ. Very great player one of the best, just went mental sometimes like we all when having bad games/mates but isn't good for Pro Play.
People overrate his performance vs Deft. They got beaten 2v2 first time around and then forgiven won lane with cait against them and meiko was garbage the entire tournament
@@aleksamilosevic8792 no he didnt lose lane, but he also didnt win lane
in all games they played against edg there were almost no kills in bot lane, i remember the games beeing like 4-4 in 30+ minutes
my comment was about him not getting diffed by current world champion adc and since they beat them and topped the group it is recognizable and a big surprise
A good lection here and other sports:
Ego can kill your talent and your career
@@ErcoleBellucci facts, and not only in sports but it can potentially ruin other aspects of your life (relationships/work/friendships)
That hairline is just unFORG1Vable...
I swear watching his stream lately really just gives of that he has main character syndrome
Oh 100%. Still has that same mindset from when he was pro player
Forgiven was THE best adc that west ever had, but he couldn't deal with it...
He'll never be forgiven.
Maybe forgotten😭
he is actually still playing and he is still streaming and hes basically toxic still lmao but the thing is that he is pretty rusty though hes still beating most of his opponents despite the fact he will never reach his peak again i think hes good now for at least someone who hasnt been on the professional stage for really long
I remember searching up his account he sits at like 60% winrate low master. Definitely a far cry from top 4 at worlds XD
@@LoLAthlete yeah hes rusty anymore but tbh he is just a solo master player anymore at this point i think it would take years now anymore to reach his peak again and i dont think he wants to besides he said that himself once i think that he doesnt wanna take part in the pro stage again so yes now anymore he basically plays just for the stream as i guess
@@exwmegalopeos he seems happier when he’s not tryharding on stage. Good for him honestly
@@LoLAthlete i think hes happier when he doesnt play league at all ☠️ i think he still does complain about his teammates and the game in general so he usually gets a lot of hate comments but on the other hand most of us are like that so i cant really blame him for that its something that all of us do when we play league but the only thing he definetely maintained throughout the years is his temper i can tell that its still the same even after all those years
Always loved Forgiven
Super mechanically gifted, but I asked him on stream if he'd self improve by going to Korea to play with the best and he's just like "nah." So it's like, sorta lazy.
Oh man I would have loved to see peak Forg1ven play in Korea. Imagine Forg1ven vs Pray/Bang in 2016
Great video man. I remember him going to fight in the Greece army
Thank you! I appreciate the kind words :) I remember when he teared up on stage cause he realized how little time he had left
If u can't beat them, join them
one thing for sure, he will never be FORGIVEN.
there are people at their thirties playing professional football and doing great,
but you called someone a fossil for pushing thirty and playing a video game that requires no physique.
You don't train 10-12 hours a day in any physical sport. In proffesional league you have to play 10 hours a day and spend the rest researching and watching games. A 30 year old especially one who is rich from being a pro from earlier years won't do that and will have an extremely hard time trying to.
@@iriya3227 Let's be real though, the only ones training for that much every day are the eastern teams. Even imports don't adhere to those routines
man this brings back memories
i remember when i was in hishschool in like 2012 and this guys was top of the game at adc
the nostalgia i have watching the old teams like najin black shield and sword samsung ozone gambit etc
man i miss the old days
I remember my high school years seeing him make it to semis on H2K. Then he had to leave for military service and I barely heard of him again
He is streaming nowadays. He non-stop banning people from his chat who dare to say anything about his gameplay, even if it's banter or just jokes.
Even after his retirement this guy has no calm and still takes things way too serious. Really miserble mindset overall. No wonder he fell off.
Leaving sk is one of the dumbest moves I have ever seen.
It’s especially sad for SK since after he left their old adc CandyPanda came back but then they got relegated the following split :/
Really professional and good video, keep it up
Thank you! I try my best
🇬🇷the fear of the Gods🇬🇷
FORGIVEN best adc BY FAR
First of all as someone from west germany it's wild to me that Schalke has a decent esports team cause they're memed to hell over here. And second I kinda thought age didn't really matter in esports? Can someone explain why a 30 yo should play worse than a 20 yo (apart from the hiatus)
There's no difference, matter of fact a 30 year old should be way better than a 20 yo if they have a proper diet and training routine.
The EU Dardoch.
I want adc Graves back :c
Crazy to think “new” Graves has been around so much longer than the OG cigar wielding graves
same..
The old mental, emotional card gets played too much for people like Forgiven, what they really need is an arse-kicking and better role models to keep them on the check, kids like him with ADHD and other issues which are manageable need a military like structured and support network but not family can afford the time or money to do that, and thats where self-accountability comes into place.
Forg1ven was undoubtedly an all-time great EU adc, but it doesn't change the fact that he was a piece of shit in the locker room. Demarcus Cousins-esque. That sort of mentality will only carry you so far in sports.
being toxic shouldnt be condemned
It absoloutely should
no matter how good he is/was, he brings more negatives then positives and is absolutely illoyal
Spoken like a true pansy that puts emotional energy at a higher value then winning.
He were really good.
However.. Maybe he could b a good coach.
"You'd think he'd know how to handle a gun after the military"??? I dont like forg1ven but I apretiate unbiased report... who do you think happens when a pro stops playing for a year forced?? The military hinders him, isnt supposed to prep him wtf. What a stupid comment. Cool vid tho
Apologies sir it was an attempt at a joke :P
I watch all he's streams this guys is the best adc by far in the world and good guy, he play live in twitch and all his games are 2v3 and 2v4 bot lane most of team mates in his team they griffing him live in game but the sad part is no one watch this :/ he carry games 1v9 in eu west im not joking guys they griffing him so hard to make him mad that it's sad
I follow the guy and say multiple streams, that is factually incorrect. He gets mad about the most tiny things and hard flames people instead of just playing the game. There are instances (a lot of them), when he is hard carrying and people are indeed holding him back by playing terrible macro but it's not every games nor the majority of them. The thing about the 2v3 and 2v4 botlane is true but that's bc he is always pushing waves with hypercarry champions which doesn't allow his jgl to come and dive and leave his back open to ganks. And best adc in the world? Are you crazy? Sure, historically Forg1ven has to be the best western adc in terms of peak but you ain't telling me he can lane against Ruler. Viper, Jackeylove or Uzi.
@@ranorimonus4719 Either you are lying about watching his streams or you are talking about a different guy. I wish it was the second...
SK midlaner sucked hard when compared to other teams . Forg1ven was always the one carrying. This is a 'NA' video for sure.
Great Video, Keep it up~
Thank you!
"ruined"
One of the most toxic players,so much ego,thinking lol is solo carry game with that mental he would have never been far gl with no life now
you got hurt mr lol athlete from this greek guy >???
No I just wanted to share his legendary story
He was always just okay but his attitude is the end of him. Never a fan
He wasn't bad at Schalke he was probably their best player atm, abe and odo didn't wanted him because they was aware of his toxicity and they wanted him out before even playing their first match with him.
I'm not accepting that he was washed up when he joined Schalke because out of all these players he was the one that actually played the game, he wasn't looking rusty, instead he was surely the only player that over performed to win games but even that wasn't enough...
Schalke could go even further with forgiven the reason that they did after him is because some players purposely played bad in order to make him angry and leave.
Believe it or not Forgiven is very reasonable guy but gets extremely angry during games and mostly in soloq, after the match he forgets everything and moves on he's angry af but he never was toxic, at least in a competitive level...
What he said about how Schalke works in the end was right considering where are (aren't actually) Schalke eSports now
Nobody is talking about Carrzy that wishes D to his teammates after doing s mistake, being racist in soloq, talks harshly in young fans etc nobody ever mentioned any of that about him because
Forgiven was giga omega toxic in 2016 h2k who were top 3 in eu?
Did bro show skt instead of sk gaming hahahahahahah , helll naaaaah
Bro is just toxic af.
Heard about Michael Jordan been toxic at his teammates all the time, pushing em because they didnt put in the work he did and because he was super competitive? Similar case, in his peak he was the best adc in EU, by far, if not the best EU player and could compete very well against eastern adcs. He is just a super competitive person to the point it becomes toxic for his teammates. He just wanted to win so badly and his teammates couldnt keep up to the level he wanted em to. Thats not to excuse his toxicity but just an example to understand him more.
you started video with blatant lie
Good video but just because you point out how good forg1ven is, you shouldn't point out how worse the other adcs were just because he beat them or whatever, it's subjective criticism and i believe it comes out a little as hate speech but you do you. Great video overall
I appreciate the feedback man. I’m trying my best to convey how far ahead of the curve he was for seasons 4-6. Obviously the adcs he was better than were still pro players and insanely talented at the game
@@LoLAthlete i do get it you didn't mean it hatefully but i'm saying it can get interpreted the wrong way by some people and cause you "trouble" in the future if you pop off for example with your channel
Sheitty person for sure lol
Funny how this comment section full of people defending him/attacking the creator, typical little kids from EUNE/SP
Keep being a clueless trash
Forg1ven was a MAN among soft boys.
Hes compatitive spirit was too much for them.
It’s always EU most toxic
classic greek lol player xd
your analysis is very surface level , nearly all he teams he left got worse overnight , some of them even facing religations after he left , his ego was massive for sure , but ruining his career? what exactly did fredy 123 and fox , ryu , nrated , diamondprox , and so many other of his teamates did in the game anyway and what did he do in the game , uncompairable careers.... for me to argue that he ever had a top shelf roster to play wth is laughable and yes when you are the best and you do your chores with CW , you want to play with the best.
This guy is completely washed btw
Still acts like he’s the GOAT on stream
@@LoLAthlete He can for sure do well in his d2 games if he gets babysat 👍👍
the worst adc to ever sit on stage chair
Hot take. I love it💀
u must be max silver1
@@lhipy4271 Imagine that dude was Challenger #1 in both EUW and EUNE at the same time, he entered EULCS from a small country, stomped top tier adcs and made it to worlds 4th place. How can you possibly even have an opinion on him xD
Top ADC. Bad decisions because of his huge ego
Godgiven...so underrated!
I wouldn’t say he’s underrated I think a lot of people agree he was really really good for his time
@@LoLAthlete Yeah that's true, but the way his career ended in Schalke helped many people to keep hating on him.