I know this is an older video but I needed to comment. I think we’ve only seen this debate arise in the last 20 years or so and from younger shooters who have been raised on Glocks and the fantasy that “my finger is my safety” and that two things are true… 1) their finger will always do the right thing 2) nothing else besides their finger will ever get inside the trigger guard. It’s wild that somehow safeties and rifles are a thing and no one thinks twice about them. You just deactivate the safety and train accordingly. But all of a sudden in the last few years, if you have a safety on your handgun, you’re suddenly going to forget how to use it and get killed. I’d love to know how many people have been killed in the last 10 years because they forgot to deactivate a thumb safety on a carry gun. I’d venture to say not many or none. Train and practice and you’re less likely to have either an ND or other issue.
Just had this recommended to me on my feed..and I agree. I learned to shoot on revolvers. SIngle action. Drawing and cocking are a practiced move with me I dont even think about it. Simiarly if Im drawing to fire ,just as I cock the revolver in one motion, I thumb off the safety in the same motion if my intent is to immediatley fire as soon as I have a sight picture. Though I must confess..I have never used a firearm that lacked a safety (excluding revolvers) so perhaps I am biased.
@@charlesstipes3726 my home defense weapon is a hammer fired DA/SA handgun, a Sig P226. Same concept a DA revolver. But striker fired handguns aren’t the same. It’s like carrying a 1911 or other hammer fired weapon with the hammer back but no safety, aka condition zero.
Right, all rifles and AR's have safeties and NOBODY complains that they have them, yet a gun has a safety and people loose their minds and complain to those that have a safety on their gun ... "Anyone who has a safety on their gun shouldnt have a gun" "Anyone that has a safety needs more training" "Real gun owners dont use or need a safety" Blah blah blah ... Have the safety there just in case, you dont have to use it.
Nicely sad. Training is behavior, get it like second nature and you'll be far better prepared. Worse case is you get to shoot and train as a hobby. It's a win win!!
I agree with the idea that a manual safety is a person choice (and none of my current guns have one) but not sure I agree with the idea that it’s better for a new shooter to not have to deal with one. Yes, I agree that the new shooter might have trouble remembering to disable it under stress. But, those new shooters are also the ones that are likely to struggle with safety rules like keeping their finger off the trigger until they are ready to fire. And I’d argue that for most, they’ll have a lot more opportunities to shoot themselves by accident than the number of times they need to use it for defensive purposes.
Manual (thumb) safety, for me...serves two purposes. First...I flip it on when holstering striker fire pistols (my P365 XL)...flip it off once holstered. Second, if the firearm is out of my physical possession (in or out of holster) and loaded...the safety is applied. I also train with it on, so that no matter WHAT my instinct on the draw is to thumb the safety down. Muscle memory is king. My P229 doesn't have a safety, I'd prefer it did...but on holstering I just thumb the hammer forward, which serves a similar purpose. The pistol can't fire with my thumb holding the hammer down, and if I feel movement I know something is contacting the trigger and I need to stop immediately. The only reason I'd want a safety on that pistol is for when it's out of my possession for whatever reason. In the end, I feel there's zero harm in having a manual safety on every firearm. If you can't be bothered to train properly with a safety, you probably shouldn't have one without. I mean worst case scenario you don't have to use it at all.
Excellent reasons for having a manual safety. I do the same, safety on when holstering, I flip it off once holstered. I do not prefer striker fired pistols without a manual safety.
@@RayDoyouagree exactly. Responsible training is responsible training. I enjoy the extra layer of safety, particularly since it does no harm. Again, as I said above...if someone can't be bothered to train properly with a safety, they probably don't have the right mindset for firearm ownership to begin with. In other words, if one extra step in training (which isn't relevant during normal carry) causes you issue, you're too big a pansy. amd most likely too lazy to own a gun at all.
Definitely want a safty, especially with one in the chamber. Safety's seem to annoy some ppl but I prefer a safety on my sidearm. Especially on striker fire semiautomatic pistols.
Good video. There is a saying, "beware of the man with only one gun." There are no guarantees in life. Remember "all" the trigger and internal safeties are defeated the moment the trigger is pulled whether it is your finger, a draw string, a piece of clothing, a car key or any other thing.
It comes down to personal preference. My Sig Sauer P365XL did not come with a manual safety. My other handguns did. I added a manual safety to the Sig. There is the argument that if a gun without a safety is holstered, the holster will cover the trigger, and that is true, but how do you use the gun? If it is holstered it is usually on my person. I keep a full size handgun in my nightstand, not holstered. If it's loaded and I dig around the drawer that is a risk. If one of my grandchildren were to get in the drawer that's a risk. I keep an EDC handgun in each car in the center console not always holstered, again a risk if I'm rooting around or if a grandchild were to go through it. Even with a holster there is a snag risk on the trigger reholstering or otherwise. My small S&W Bodyguard has a manual safety and a double action trigger.
Think about this: John Browning designed the M1911, the P35 HiPower, and Walther its "Bond" gang of DA/SA Handgewher, et al, with manual safeties. Now, think about this: When a hand gun is out of its holster, or your hand, it is a dangerous thing ready to kill at the drop of a hat; with its safety engaged and back in its holster, or in your hand, or by your bedside, it is at peace with its self and everyone else. PS: No trigger finger can replace the safety of a thumb.
Every rifle I own has a manual safety. My shotgun has a manual safety. I never have any problem forgetting to disengage their safeties -- so why would I have any problem forgetting to disengage the safety on my pistol?
I think my struggle with that argument is that I don’t carry my rifle holstered. With the trigger exposed like that it will certainly get caught, and therefore it is vital to train with a safety. My argument is that safety or no, on a pistol specifically for this argument, good training is key. I don’t train with a safety on my pistols, so yes I would forget under stress. My thought is that by continually making my training harder (I almost said tougher. “Trained or untrained?”) I can reduce the immediate impact of the stressful moment. The goal is to be able to think and make the decision to shoot or not shoot and remain adaptable. This is not an argument against safety’s, but rather an argument for ongoing good training.
You can access the righthand safety on a p365 while it's still holstered. It allows you to switch it off before presenting it if you see a perceived threat.
My friend just shot himself on the leg two month ago with a Glock(typical).. so manual safety for me is a must. Several incidents like this have happened to even police officers getting dressed and Now close enough to me with my friend. The bullet is logged in his feet and they can’t take it out cause is pressed into a nerve so the doctor told him to just leave it there. All you have to do is practice draw and get use to flick it up all the time. People have different methods for manual safety handling. So don’t tell me NO manual safety is for Pros because even Pros have gotten hurt from not having it. Use you Head. Specially if you carry one in the chamber which I always do. It will be quicker to flip a switch that to cock your gun. Believe me
Exactly. Internet wanna be military fanboys act like they gotta be combat ready and able to shoot 100+ yards at all time even at chuck e cheese. Ridiculousness.
I prefer a manual safety - I recently found a sig 365x with manual safety - took me about 6 weeks to find one - I practice pulling the firearm and as I’m pulling the gun I disengage the safety in one motion - I feel better having the manual safety
@@JamieKeefer mine works perfectly. I carry with the safety off. Holster with it on. If the firearm is off my person (in the holster) the safety is on as well unless it's still in my possession (in the truck seat/console, etc). When I train, I train with the safety on. This ingrains the instinct to swipe with my thumb into muscle memory, that way...if for some reason the safety is deployed without my knowledge...the process of drawing and presenting includes a thumb swipe. Win/win.
I carry one of two guns: bodyguard .380 (v 1.0), or shield 9mm, both with manual safeties. As I've gotten more comfortable with them, I started carrying with the safety off. I've trained a lot drawing and thumb swiping the safety off, but there is no denying that drawing without having to disengage a safety is easier and faster. Also, switching from a soft holster like a DeSantis nemesis, whether in pocket or iwb, to a kydex pocket or iwb holster, gives me more security to carry without the safety engaged.
Neither is right or wrong. Training is the key. HK has a safety, decocker, and is a breeze to shoot *. Use your weapon. Practice. Some (few) rack the slide but you have to use weapon until it second nature. I have a Sig 365 without and its just another tool but you have to use it on a continuum. Thanks for the topic!!!!!!!
if somethings get in the holster while your firearm is not in the holster can be an issue if you don't have thumb safety. When fighting with someone who takes your firearm , sometimes they don't know how to activate thumb safety which buys you some time to get it back or run. Clothes can hang up in holster while you are re-holstering. Proper training if you will have thumb safety.
My 365x has the manual safety - took awhile to find one but worth the wait I practice a draw and disengagement of the safety as I draw - really just practice I feel better with the safety
I've owned a Gen 2 Glock 17 since the 1990's. I have always trained with it and wouldn't trade it for anything. It is still my daily carry to this day and I also carry with 1 in the chamber. I have put thousands of rounds through this gun and have had literally ZERO issues with it, including not a single negligent discharge ever. I also own a newer S&W M&P with a manual safety and really like that too. But, I am just more comfortable with the Glock as it is has been more reliable for me on the range. If you train properly and practice good trigger discipline, the lack of a manual safety shouldn't be a concern. However, I think for some, it may be for one reason or another. So, if you're more comfortable with a manual safety, by all means have at it. Just remember to train with whatever you choose and be super familiar with it. Because, I think that at the end of the day, this really comes down to personal preference, and nothing more. The more comfortable you are with your gun, the better (and safer) shooter you will be....
My take: if you're going to carry, pick one system -- SA w/ safety, DA/SA with decocker, striker fire w/o safety, striker fire with safety, etc - and train heavily with it (dry fire and snap caps first). Make it part of your natural process to flip the safety on/off, to decock before holster, or to holster safely with no manual safety (trigger, aside). All of these require lots of repetition to be safe (from both the not shooting yourself and the shooting when you intend to standpoints.) Don't start off collecting all kinds of different guns and switching back-and-forth. Like he said, he forgot to turn off the safety when he went from shooting his Glock to shooting his 1911. There could also be a problem for someone holstering a Glock when they're used to holstering their 1911 with the safety on. Heck, buy a high-quality - and very realistic in terms of weight and function (research before buying) - gas blowback airsoft version just to train manual of arms for a particular pistol. Yeah, $150 could buy a lot of ammo, but you can train a lot at home with the GBB.
A 1911 shooter wirh 40+ years of experience, definatley use a safety. Carry guns are 1911’s but just added an Sig p365 with CA optics and a safety. Yt has a manual safety and I use it. Muscle memory from 1911’s is compatible with the P365, down with the right thumb while you draw the weapon. Go ahead and tuck a trigger safety while holstering a weapon in appendix carry and have a shirt tail get in the way.
These videos are exhausting. It’s all in how you train. If you do good training you get good performance. I have not had to pull a gun ever, but I have been in situations where I’ve had someone’s life on the line, and I had to get the job done. Good and ongoing training for the stuff that’s stressful, reduces the stress impact of the actual event. If you don’t train to be ambushed, you’re going to likely forget some critical step, safety or no. Part of the reason for a safety on a rifle is that the trigger is exposed for a longer period than the trigger of a pistol. There is no conclusive argument one way or the other.
Every time I practice drawing my gun it’s automatic that as the gun comes out of the holster, in one motion, I click the safety off. I absolutely want a safety on my guns. I do have two Sigs without safety’s but they’re too big and heavy to carry anyway.
There are many tens of millions that own semi automatic handguns. Very few of them train regularly. For my safety I prefer they have safeties on their guns.
The fact that beginners and even experienced users unfamiliar with the gun have problems shooting with a safety proves it value. The point of a safety is in case someone else gets a hold of your gun and trys to use it against you. Safeties are a non-issue for people that are well trained and acquainted with that specific gun.
I bought the p365 without a manual safety and end up installing a manual safety feel more secure with one in the chamber. Went to the range and practice unholster and holster and taking the safety off immediately I unholster
I agree that striker fired pistols "should" be in theory be as safe as a revolver (per your comparison). I respectfully disagree with your conclusions though. A comparison between a revolver and striker fired pistol is a bad comparison because most revolvers have a 10-15 lbs double action trigger. That alone makes a revolver a safer choice. How many accidental discharges have happened with a revolver vs a striker fired weapon??? I do not make a living by way of the gun (i.e. gun instructor, gunsmith, military and/or police…). So I do not consider myself a gun professional. I am simply a 50+ year old gun enthusiast that has been shooting guns for 40 years and legally conceal carrying for decades. I have bought/sold many guns & have a variety of guns in my gun safe now (i.e. pistols, ARs, bullpups, and so on). I only say that to give you a point of reference of where I form my opinions. I am not a professional, but I am proficient. Here’s my humble opinion (…that many gun professionals agree with btw) formed by my years of experience… 1. People speak of a thumb safety as being ‘another thing to remember’ that can cost you your life. I agree with this “only IF” the thumb safety is not a 1911 style safety that cannot be easily swept on/off by the strong hand thumb and too small for the thumb to ride on while firing; then it can be a problem. Otherwise, a 1911 style thumb safety should be used. The strong hand thumb should be ‘firmly’ pressing down on this safety while shooting. This helps control recoil and ensures the highest possible grip. The support hand thumb (if used) should be pressing into the frame: This also helps to control recoil. As soon as one grips the gun, the strong hand thumb automatically sits on the safety and rides on it. There is no extra step to remember that can cost you your life. This is a natural grip that naturally engages the safety. If a person insists on a low-thumb, baseball grip; then a revolver, DA/SA, or grip safety only weapon are better options. 2. It’s often said the best safety is the trigger finger and the safety between the ears, etc. That’s true in a world where accidents don’t happen. If it were an ‘absolute truth’ then why not remove thumb safety(s) from AR-15s & all long guns? Nobody debates about forgetting to flip the safety on/off when shooting an AR-15 under stress. It’s simply a given that the experienced operator will do that without even thinking. Think about it: Nobody would consider carrying an AR with no thumb safety (even if the trigger itself has a “safe action” mechanism). Why? Because the trigger can’t be holstered & protected from accidents. (Regardless of one’s intelligence, accidents happen in real life folks). Striker-fired handguns with no thumb and/or grip safety are accidents waiting to happen “IF” carried without a holster. There are MANY documented cases of this. They are for military/police whose primary carry method is a holster rig. Revolvers or DA/SA handguns have heavy 10-15 lb DA triggers: This is an inherit safety. Sig 226 (DA/SA) with no thumb safety; Beretta 92FS - usually carried hammer down, safety off; HK USP & others all have military/police histories and are not prone to discharge from something inadvertently snagging the trigger. Most will likely agree that carrying without a holster is irresponsible; but that’s not the point. Driver’s ed teaches the proper way to drive a car is hands at 10 & 2; but do we do it? “Practically speaking” civilians ‘often’ carry handguns without a holster (ie. pocketbooks, glovebox, fanny pack, between the car seat & console, Mexican carry, backpack while hiking/biking/jogging, and so on). In practice, “not theory”, there are often times when a holster will not be used. Consequently, the trigger can inadvertently get snagged or bumped. There are just too many reports of this happening to even discuss. That’s why I insist on the redundancy of a grip and/or 1911 style thumb safety. These two safeties are intrinsically turned ‘off’ when the pistol is gripped. They do not take extra time, and will not “..cost me my life if I forget or don’t have time”. 3. Smith & Wesson named theirs M&P (Military & Police) for a reason. For civilians, having no thumb and/or grip safety is not a good idea! Why? Because we civilians will find a reason to not have the gun holstered (i.e. pocketbooks, glovebox, between the car seat & console, Mexican carry, in a fanny pack or backpack while jogging/biking/hiking, and so on). 4. Guns are the only invention that most of us will ever own that has one purpose: To protect or take life. That’s its only purpose for most of us and the only purpose for considering to carry one. Given that it’s a life or death decision, we need to take the decision as seriously as possible. Springfield, S&W, Glock, Ruger, Taurus…. all make fine striker fired weapons, with good customer support. With today’s manufacturing tolerances and quality control; any of these will out shoot and out last us. So choose the weapon that best fits your method of carry and your hands. If your gun will ALWAYS be holstered, then a thumb and/or grip safety may not weigh into your decision. But if there is even a small chance that you will carry without a holster, or that your loved ones may inadvertently be exposed to the gun, then insist on a 1911 style thumb and/or grip safety. It could safe your life or the life of your loved ones. Once you’ve picked your weapon of choice; do not carry until you’ve trained with it and have run several hundred rounds through it. This will both break the weapon in to be more reliable and will familiarize you with it and its firing requirements. This weapon for you, will then be instinctual and natural to shoot with nothing to remember or to get in the way.
I really believe people are overthinking this whole manual safety/no manual safety issue. People, especially guntubers hate safeties because most of them have gunsafes filled with firearms of different types (DA, SA, striker fire, etc.) and dont really stick to any one platform. However, most of us have only one or maybe two handguns (one edc and one home defense) and train with them accordingly. The main idea of a thumb safety is to guarantee that any obstruction (THAT IS NOT YOUR FINGER) does not find its way into the trigger guard and causing a ND when drawing or holstering. If you're going to lose a gunfight then its certainly not because you spent that extra split second to disengage your thumb safety.
Good balanced viewpoint about manual safeties. I like my Ruger Security 9. It has a thumb safety. I don't feel comfortable not using it. I also feel very safe carrying my Taurus revolver with a ten pound trigger pull. Just saying.
Why does everyone act like operating a safety is so difficult? Before the Glock, that’s just the way it way it was. Is this some sort of marketing thing to justify reduced production costs?? Lol. If you are going to get hyped up on some quick draw scenario and being late to the draw, you don’t have to have the safety on all the time. It’s just good to have the option sometimes.
Not every situation calls for donning a holster that will protect the trigger. You may just want to put it in your coat pocket to quickly walk out to the mailbox at night. Having a safety is safer in that situation and many others regardless of how experienced you are.
You need a manual safety if safety is the most important thing to you. I absolutely trust modern engineering that most pistols will NOT fire unless you intentionally pull the trigger. A gentle reminder that a pistol WILL indeed fire even if you UNINTENTIONALLY pull the trigger as well, and another reminder that other things can pull triggers besides fingers (such as clothing, buttons, etc). I personally believes pistols should have an ACTIVE safety lever. The beauty of it is that if you DO NOT LIKE such safety levers, and believe it gets in the way when you need the gun most, then you in fact do have the option of NOT using it.
A safety is there to prevent the gun from firing if the trigger is accidentally pulled. The center blade safety on the Glock and many other guns act as a drop safety so if the gun is dropped, inertia won't move the trigger. It also may prevent an unintentional discharge if something rubs the trigger from the side, perhaps in the holster. It does NOT prevent the gun firing if the trigger is pulled. "Glock Safe Action" system is total marketing BS.
Just don’t drop your Staccato 2011 muzzle down. The inertia can easily make the firing pin go forward and hit the primer. There isn!t a firing pin block on them. Let’s not forget the range officer that was killed when someone dropped their CZ Shadow hammer down and it shot the poor RO in the head. Don’t get a false sense of security with your external safeties. It doesn’t mean it’s drop safe. There are plenty of safeties on well made, quality striker fired pistols AND most are drop safe.
In reference to 1911 pistols, I would like to say that you may carry this weapon with the manual safety off as long as you use a trigger guard holster because it goes directly on the trigger area of the pistol and there is no way that this 1911 will go boom because your trigger is fully covered and you can appendix carry in confidence. when you draw your weapon the trigger guard holster is covering the area until it snaps off about 6 inches away from your body, and when you are going to return it to appendix carry you would have snapped the TG holster back in place before doing so. I carry all my weapons with these trigger guard holsters and I have never had a problem at all. I am 75yrs old, an Army Veteran of 1966 / 1969, and past LEO NYC, NY. Be safe and shoot straight! PS When you practice with your weapons and have full knowledge of how they function and are not afraid of them, But, respect them you will never have an accidental discharge. your finger should never touch that trigger until you are sure you want to fire. very nice video Guys! PSS you can check out the trigger guard holsters on youtube. try it! you just might fall in love with it.
Having a firearm safety allows me greater control of the firearm. I’m not sure, but I would suspect that Glock is responsible for the confusion over having a thumb safety on a pistol. The firearm is a tool in my hands that I control. Have you ever hit your fingers hammering a nail or busted your knuckles turning a wrench? There’s no safety but strictly coordination, and we know how that works. Being in charge, being in control, being responsible, being safe. I do prefer having a thumb safety on my pistols. Thanks and Blessings y’all.
Please help. I am getting a lws seecamp. Between the .32 and the 380 version I prefer to get the 380 version (better mechanical and feed reliability as well as slightly better ballistics) but the 380 version has no manual safety. Do i really need one on my small pocket carry? I heard you say yes if the micro gun has a SAO trigger. But all seecamps have DAO triggers. So what should i do. Get the .32 version so i can have a manual safety or go with the .380 version with that DAO? (Ps: The safety on the .32 version is a finger safety on/above the trigger)
If a safety is ergonomically designed, this is a non issue. On a 1911, the procedure is to ride the safety. Strong side stays on top of the safety, when you present out in target, you push the safety off and leave the thumb on top of it. With a gun without a safety, there is no safety there, but the strong side thumb rests in the same position. For this reason, I have zero interest in a gun with a non ergonomic safety….like the M&P Shield.
I believe, the 1911 was originally designed with only the grip safety. I don't believe the 1911 thumb safety is a challenge for a minimally trained person. The 1911 and Hi power both have safeties that are ergonomic and easy to access. I think the reason that this is such an issue for younger people is.....Glock. most the younger guys and girls are learning to shoot on Glocks and Glock has become the standard.
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No one ever offers to defend the idea of NOT having a manual safety on a rifle or shotgun…yet they will be adamant about not having one on a handgun 🤷🏻♂️
You say safeties are ok for "average shooters". Not a smart statement. Thumb safeties are used by some of the "best" shooters known to man. The fastest AND most accurate. This topic is always debated by those trying to tell you what is best for you. It's simple, if you think you need a thumb safety, then you need one. It's all about practicing with the gun. You should know that.
Just like wearing or not wearing a helmet when riding a motorcycle, and we know what happens to riders even when wearing a helmet. You want complete safety? Then Follow JESUS CHRIST! Hallelujah!
I want a safety. He forgot the safety....because he mixes guns. Under stress causes mistakes....so under stress you may accidentally disharge....shoot a friend.or yourself ...muzzle someone....lack of trigger control....while under stress amd then somebody disagrees and comments thats its a training issue. Bit then argues a manual safety is bad because you cant train out the issue with the safety under stress
I have several sig P320s and P365 pistols. I believe the P320 and P365 triggers are too light to not have a manual safety. I own, and have shot glocks for many years, and their trigger has a heavier and longer take up allowing it to get along without needing a manual safety, but the sig P320 and P365 pistols have a MUCH lighter and shorter take up. The P320 and P365 pistols without the manual safety are much less tolerant of user error when handling.... especially when reholstering. There is nothing wrong with these triggers, in fact they are very good design wise but in my opinion it's not advisable to have have such a light trigger with such a short take up without a manual safety. This if course is why single action autos have safeties. Light trigger and take up with a manual safety, or stiffer trigger/take up without a manual safety. You choose.
I think the decocker is the way to go. Very unlikely for a unintended discharge due to the long heavy pull, but will always fire if the trigger is pulled
Solid points made, I agree that shooting and carrying a gun single action, it’s gotta be cocked and locked, unless it’s DA/SA. If someone decides to carry a SA gun, disabling the safety needs to be incorporated in the draw stroke so that it doesn’t take any cognitive brain work. Safeties on striker fire guns to me though are just 💩
I never worry about the safety. My Glock and my Sigs all have that safety feature in the trigger but I can do without the thumb safety. It’s a lever that doesn’t need to be there. I carry at four o’clock so the worst damage that could occur would simply be the tunnel in my Jeep or my bucket seat. Chest holsters are comfortable and easier to grab. I’m redesigning mine to fit more mags.
@@Javservice No it's not BS. Keep your finger off the trigger and remember that YOU are the safety. Be responsible and careful and you won't have any problems.
I know this is an older video but I needed to comment.
I think we’ve only seen this debate arise in the last 20 years or so and from younger shooters who have been raised on Glocks and the fantasy that “my finger is my safety” and that two things are true…
1) their finger will always do the right thing
2) nothing else besides their finger will ever get inside the trigger guard.
It’s wild that somehow safeties and rifles are a thing and no one thinks twice about them. You just deactivate the safety and train accordingly.
But all of a sudden in the last few years, if you have a safety on your handgun, you’re suddenly going to forget how to use it and get killed. I’d love to know how many people have been killed in the last 10 years because they forgot to deactivate a thumb safety on a carry gun. I’d venture to say not many or none.
Train and practice and you’re less likely to have either an ND or other issue.
Just had this recommended to me on my feed..and I agree. I learned to shoot on revolvers. SIngle action. Drawing and cocking are a practiced move with me I dont even think about it. Simiarly if Im drawing to fire ,just as I cock the revolver in one motion, I thumb off the safety in the same motion if my intent is to immediatley fire as soon as I have a sight picture. Though I must confess..I have never used a firearm that lacked a safety (excluding revolvers) so perhaps I am biased.
I’m still here carried a commander for last 40 years
@@charlesstipes3726 my home defense weapon is a hammer fired DA/SA handgun, a Sig P226. Same concept a DA revolver.
But striker fired handguns aren’t the same. It’s like carrying a 1911 or other hammer fired weapon with the hammer back but no safety, aka condition zero.
Right, all rifles and AR's have safeties and NOBODY complains that they have them, yet a gun has a safety and people loose their minds and complain to those that have a safety on their gun ...
"Anyone who has a safety on their gun shouldnt have a gun"
"Anyone that has a safety needs more training"
"Real gun owners dont use or need a safety"
Blah blah blah ...
Have the safety there just in case, you dont have to use it.
Nicely sad.
Training is behavior, get it like second nature and you'll be far better prepared.
Worse case is you get to shoot and train as a hobby.
It's a win win!!
I agree with the idea that a manual safety is a person choice (and none of my current guns have one) but not sure I agree with the idea that it’s better for a new shooter to not have to deal with one. Yes, I agree that the new shooter might have trouble remembering to disable it under stress. But, those new shooters are also the ones that are likely to struggle with safety rules like keeping their finger off the trigger until they are ready to fire. And I’d argue that for most, they’ll have a lot more opportunities to shoot themselves by accident than the number of times they need to use it for defensive purposes.
Manual (thumb) safety, for me...serves two purposes. First...I flip it on when holstering striker fire pistols (my P365 XL)...flip it off once holstered. Second, if the firearm is out of my physical possession (in or out of holster) and loaded...the safety is applied. I also train with it on, so that no matter WHAT my instinct on the draw is to thumb the safety down. Muscle memory is king. My P229 doesn't have a safety, I'd prefer it did...but on holstering I just thumb the hammer forward, which serves a similar purpose. The pistol can't fire with my thumb holding the hammer down, and if I feel movement I know something is contacting the trigger and I need to stop immediately. The only reason I'd want a safety on that pistol is for when it's out of my possession for whatever reason.
In the end, I feel there's zero harm in having a manual safety on every firearm. If you can't be bothered to train properly with a safety, you probably shouldn't have one without. I mean worst case scenario you don't have to use it at all.
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Excellent reasons for having a manual safety. I do the same, safety on when holstering, I flip it off once holstered.
I do not prefer striker fired pistols without a manual safety.
@@marcosm65 lol, yes.
@@RayDoyouagree exactly. Responsible training is responsible training. I enjoy the extra layer of safety, particularly since it does no harm. Again, as I said above...if someone can't be bothered to train properly with a safety, they probably don't have the right mindset for firearm ownership to begin with.
In other words, if one extra step in training (which isn't relevant during normal carry) causes you issue, you're too big a pansy. amd most likely too lazy to own a gun at all.
So when the gun goes off in your Holster don’t be blaming sigs, you just stated you turn the safety off in it’s holster
Definitely want a safty, especially with one in the chamber. Safety's seem to annoy some ppl but I prefer a safety on my sidearm. Especially on striker fire semiautomatic pistols.
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yep i keep a safety on my p365 and i practice it daily ✌️🇺🇸
@@marcosm65 your Opinion. Nothing wrong with that. Just not mine.
Yep!
Good video. There is a saying, "beware of the man with only one gun." There are no guarantees in life. Remember "all" the trigger and internal safeties are defeated the moment the trigger is pulled whether it is your finger, a draw string, a piece of clothing, a car key or any other thing.
It comes down to personal preference. My Sig Sauer P365XL did not come with a manual safety. My other handguns did. I added a manual safety to the Sig. There is the argument that if a gun without a safety is holstered, the holster will cover the trigger, and that is true, but how do you use the gun? If it is holstered it is usually on my person. I keep a full size handgun in my nightstand, not holstered. If it's loaded and I dig around the drawer that is a risk. If one of my grandchildren were to get in the drawer that's a risk. I keep an EDC handgun in each car in the center console not always holstered, again a risk if I'm rooting around or if a grandchild were to go through it. Even with a holster there is a snag risk on the trigger reholstering or otherwise. My small S&W Bodyguard has a manual safety and a double action trigger.
Think about this: John Browning designed the M1911, the P35 HiPower, and Walther its "Bond" gang of DA/SA Handgewher, et al, with manual safeties. Now, think about this: When a hand gun is out of its holster, or your hand, it is a dangerous thing ready to kill at the drop of a hat; with its safety engaged and back in its holster, or in your hand, or by your bedside, it is at peace with its self and everyone else. PS: No trigger finger can replace the safety of a thumb.
Every rifle I own has a manual safety. My shotgun has a manual safety. I never have any problem forgetting to disengage their safeties -- so why would I have any problem forgetting to disengage the safety on my pistol?
I think my struggle with that argument is that I don’t carry my rifle holstered. With the trigger exposed like that it will certainly get caught, and therefore it is vital to train with a safety. My argument is that safety or no, on a pistol specifically for this argument, good training is key. I don’t train with a safety on my pistols, so yes I would forget under stress. My thought is that by continually making my training harder (I almost said tougher. “Trained or untrained?”) I can reduce the immediate impact of the stressful moment. The goal is to be able to think and make the decision to shoot or not shoot and remain adaptable. This is not an argument against safety’s, but rather an argument for ongoing good training.
You can access the righthand safety on a p365 while it's still holstered. It allows you to switch it off before presenting it if you see a perceived threat.
Great point
My friend just shot himself on the leg two month ago with a Glock(typical).. so manual safety for me is a must. Several incidents like this have happened to even police officers getting dressed and Now close enough to me with my friend. The bullet is logged in his feet and they can’t take it out cause is pressed into a nerve so the doctor told him to just leave it there. All you have to do is practice draw and get use to flick it up all the time. People have different methods for manual safety handling. So don’t tell me NO manual safety is for Pros because even Pros have gotten hurt from not having it. Use you Head. Specially if you carry one in the chamber which I always do. It will be quicker to flip a switch that to cock your gun. Believe me
Exactly. Internet wanna be military fanboys act like they gotta be combat ready and able to shoot 100+ yards at all time even at chuck e cheese. Ridiculousness.
@@StopWars420 lol truth.
I prefer a manual safety - I recently found a sig 365x with manual safety - took me about 6 weeks to find one - I practice pulling the firearm and as I’m pulling the gun I disengage the safety in one motion - I feel better having the manual safety
How is the manual safety on the p365x working? Seem some issue with them sticking, and would prefer that model if still avail and reliable.
@@JamieKeefer
Works great
Just practice the draw and disengage safety in one motion
I prefer the manual safety
@@trike-hauler cool, thank you.
@@JamieKeefer mine works perfectly. I carry with the safety off. Holster with it on. If the firearm is off my person (in the holster) the safety is on as well unless it's still in my possession (in the truck seat/console, etc).
When I train, I train with the safety on. This ingrains the instinct to swipe with my thumb into muscle memory, that way...if for some reason the safety is deployed without my knowledge...the process of drawing and presenting includes a thumb swipe. Win/win.
I carry one of two guns: bodyguard .380 (v 1.0), or shield 9mm, both with manual safeties.
As I've gotten more comfortable with them, I started carrying with the safety off. I've trained a lot drawing and thumb swiping the safety off, but there is no denying that drawing without having to disengage a safety is easier and faster. Also, switching from a soft holster like a DeSantis nemesis, whether in pocket or iwb, to a kydex pocket or iwb holster, gives me more security to carry without the safety engaged.
Neither is right or wrong. Training is the key. HK has a safety, decocker, and is a breeze to shoot *. Use your weapon. Practice. Some (few) rack the slide but you have to use weapon until it second nature. I have a Sig 365 without and its just another tool but you have to use it on a continuum. Thanks for the topic!!!!!!!
if somethings get in the holster while your firearm is not in the holster can be an issue if you don't have thumb safety.
When fighting with someone who takes your firearm , sometimes they don't know how to activate thumb safety which buys you some time to get it back or run. Clothes can hang up in holster while you are re-holstering.
Proper training if you will have thumb safety.
My 365x has the manual safety - took awhile to find one but worth the wait
I practice a draw and disengagement of the safety as I draw - really just practice
I feel better with the safety
I've owned a Gen 2 Glock 17 since the 1990's. I have always trained with it and wouldn't trade it for anything. It is still my daily carry to this day and I also carry with 1 in the chamber. I have put thousands of rounds through this gun and have had literally ZERO issues with it, including not a single negligent discharge ever. I also own a newer S&W M&P with a manual safety and really like that too. But, I am just more comfortable with the Glock as it is has been more reliable for me on the range. If you train properly and practice good trigger discipline, the lack of a manual safety shouldn't be a concern. However, I think for some, it may be for one reason or another. So, if you're more comfortable with a manual safety, by all means have at it. Just remember to train with whatever you choose and be super familiar with it. Because, I think that at the end of the day, this really comes down to personal preference, and nothing more. The more comfortable you are with your gun, the better (and safer) shooter you will be....
Your mommy must be sooo proud 🍭
My take: if you're going to carry, pick one system -- SA w/ safety, DA/SA with decocker, striker fire w/o safety, striker fire with safety, etc - and train heavily with it (dry fire and snap caps first). Make it part of your natural process to flip the safety on/off, to decock before holster, or to holster safely with no manual safety (trigger, aside). All of these require lots of repetition to be safe (from both the not shooting yourself and the shooting when you intend to standpoints.)
Don't start off collecting all kinds of different guns and switching back-and-forth. Like he said, he forgot to turn off the safety when he went from shooting his Glock to shooting his 1911. There could also be a problem for someone holstering a Glock when they're used to holstering their 1911 with the safety on.
Heck, buy a high-quality - and very realistic in terms of weight and function (research before buying) - gas blowback airsoft version just to train manual of arms for a particular pistol. Yeah, $150 could buy a lot of ammo, but you can train a lot at home with the GBB.
A 1911 shooter wirh 40+ years of experience, definatley use a safety. Carry guns are 1911’s but just added an Sig p365 with CA optics and a safety. Yt has a manual safety and I use it. Muscle memory from 1911’s is compatible with the P365, down with the right thumb while you draw the weapon. Go ahead and tuck a trigger safety while holstering a weapon in appendix carry and have a shirt tail get in the way.
As an X army grunt and long time hunter the manual safety is a no brainer.
These videos are exhausting. It’s all in how you train. If you do good training you get good performance. I have not had to pull a gun ever, but I have been in situations where I’ve had someone’s life on the line, and I had to get the job done. Good and ongoing training for the stuff that’s stressful, reduces the stress impact of the actual event. If you don’t train to be ambushed, you’re going to likely forget some critical step, safety or no. Part of the reason for a safety on a rifle is that the trigger is exposed for a longer period than the trigger of a pistol. There is no conclusive argument one way or the other.
They sell an accessory for Glocks called The Gadget.
Helps with holstering.
Every time I practice drawing my gun it’s automatic that as the gun comes out of the holster, in one motion, I click the safety off. I absolutely want a safety on my guns. I do have two Sigs without safety’s but they’re too big and heavy to carry anyway.
There are many tens of millions that own semi automatic handguns. Very few of them train regularly. For my safety I prefer they have safeties on their guns.
I just wish the p365 came with double action and a de-cocker like all the rest of my guns. It would be great if they did that
The fact that beginners and even experienced users unfamiliar with the gun have problems shooting with a safety proves it value.
The point of a safety is in case someone else gets a hold of your gun and trys to use it against you.
Safeties are a non-issue for people that are well trained and acquainted with that specific gun.
I bought the p365 without a manual safety and end up installing a manual safety feel more secure with one in the chamber. Went to the range and practice unholster and holster and taking the safety off immediately I unholster
If one grips the 1911 correctly
(Right thumb on TOP of the thumb safety)
Then "forgetting" the thumb safety becomes a moot point
I agree that striker fired pistols "should" be in theory be as safe as a revolver (per your comparison). I respectfully disagree with your conclusions though. A comparison between a revolver and striker fired pistol is a bad comparison because most revolvers have a 10-15 lbs double action trigger. That alone makes a revolver a safer choice. How many accidental discharges have happened with a revolver vs a striker fired weapon???
I do not make a living by way of the gun (i.e. gun instructor, gunsmith, military and/or police…). So I do not consider myself a gun professional. I am simply a 50+ year old gun enthusiast that has been shooting guns for 40 years and legally conceal carrying for decades. I have bought/sold many guns & have a variety of guns in my gun safe now (i.e. pistols, ARs, bullpups, and so on). I only say that to give you a point of reference of where I form my opinions. I am not a professional, but I am proficient. Here’s my humble opinion (…that many gun professionals agree with btw) formed by my years of experience…
1. People speak of a thumb safety as being ‘another thing to remember’ that can cost you your life. I agree with this “only IF” the thumb safety is not a 1911 style safety that cannot be easily swept on/off by the strong hand thumb and too small for the thumb to ride on while firing; then it can be a problem. Otherwise, a 1911 style thumb safety should be used. The strong hand thumb should be ‘firmly’ pressing down on this safety while shooting. This helps control recoil and ensures the highest possible grip. The support hand thumb (if used) should be pressing into the frame: This also helps to control recoil. As soon as one grips the gun, the strong hand thumb automatically sits on the safety and rides on it. There is no extra step to remember that can cost you your life. This is a natural grip that naturally engages the safety. If a person insists on a low-thumb, baseball grip; then a revolver, DA/SA, or grip safety only weapon are better options.
2. It’s often said the best safety is the trigger finger and the safety between the ears, etc. That’s true in a world where accidents don’t happen. If it were an ‘absolute truth’ then why not remove thumb safety(s) from AR-15s & all long guns? Nobody debates about forgetting to flip the safety on/off when shooting an AR-15 under stress. It’s simply a given that the experienced operator will do that without even thinking. Think about it: Nobody would consider carrying an AR with no thumb safety (even if the trigger itself has a “safe action” mechanism). Why? Because the trigger can’t be holstered & protected from accidents. (Regardless of one’s intelligence, accidents happen in real life folks). Striker-fired handguns with no thumb and/or grip safety are accidents waiting to happen “IF” carried without a holster. There are MANY documented cases of this. They are for military/police whose primary carry method is a holster rig. Revolvers or DA/SA handguns have heavy 10-15 lb DA triggers: This is an inherit safety. Sig 226 (DA/SA) with no thumb safety; Beretta 92FS - usually carried hammer down, safety off; HK USP & others all have military/police histories and are not prone to discharge from something inadvertently snagging the trigger. Most will likely agree that carrying without a holster is irresponsible; but that’s not the point. Driver’s ed teaches the proper way to drive a car is hands at 10 & 2; but do we do it? “Practically speaking” civilians ‘often’ carry handguns without a holster (ie. pocketbooks, glovebox, fanny pack, between the car seat & console, Mexican carry, backpack while hiking/biking/jogging, and so on). In practice, “not theory”, there are often times when a holster will not be used. Consequently, the trigger can inadvertently get snagged or bumped. There are just too many reports of this happening to even discuss. That’s why I insist on the redundancy of a grip and/or 1911 style thumb safety. These two safeties are intrinsically turned ‘off’ when the pistol is gripped. They do not take extra time, and will not “..cost me my life if I forget or don’t have time”.
3. Smith & Wesson named theirs M&P (Military & Police) for a reason. For civilians, having no thumb and/or grip safety is not a good idea! Why? Because we civilians will find a reason to not have the gun holstered (i.e. pocketbooks, glovebox, between the car seat & console, Mexican carry, in a fanny pack or backpack while jogging/biking/hiking, and so on).
4. Guns are the only invention that most of us will ever own that has one purpose: To protect or take life. That’s its only purpose for most of us and the only purpose for considering to carry one. Given that it’s a life or death decision, we need to take the decision as seriously as possible. Springfield, S&W, Glock, Ruger, Taurus…. all make fine striker fired weapons, with good customer support. With today’s manufacturing tolerances and quality control; any of these will out shoot and out last us. So choose the weapon that best fits your method of carry and your hands. If your gun will ALWAYS be holstered, then a thumb and/or grip safety may not weigh into your decision. But if there is even a small chance that you will carry without a holster, or that your loved ones may inadvertently be exposed to the gun, then insist on a 1911 style thumb and/or grip safety. It could safe your life or the life of your loved ones. Once you’ve picked your weapon of choice; do not carry until you’ve trained with it and have run several hundred rounds through it. This will both break the weapon in to be more reliable and will familiarize you with it and its firing requirements. This weapon for you, will then be instinctual and natural to shoot with nothing to remember or to get in the way.
I really believe people are overthinking this whole manual safety/no manual safety issue. People, especially guntubers hate safeties because most of them have gunsafes filled with firearms of different types (DA, SA, striker fire, etc.)
and dont really stick to any one platform. However, most of us have only one or maybe two handguns (one edc and one home defense) and train with them accordingly. The main idea of a thumb safety is to guarantee that any obstruction (THAT IS NOT YOUR FINGER) does not find its way into the trigger guard and causing a ND when drawing or holstering. If you're going to lose a gunfight then its certainly not because you spent that extra split second to disengage your thumb safety.
Good balanced viewpoint about manual safeties. I like my Ruger Security 9. It has a thumb safety. I don't feel comfortable not using it. I also feel very safe carrying my Taurus revolver with a ten pound trigger pull. Just saying.
Why does everyone act like operating a safety is so difficult? Before the Glock, that’s just the way it way it was. Is this some sort of marketing thing to justify reduced production costs?? Lol. If you are going to get hyped up on some quick draw scenario and being late to the draw, you don’t have to have the safety on all the time. It’s just good to have the option sometimes.
Not every situation calls for donning a holster that will protect the trigger. You may just want to put it in your coat pocket to quickly walk out to the mailbox at night. Having a safety is safer in that situation and many others regardless of how experienced you are.
You need a manual safety if safety is the most important thing to you. I absolutely trust modern engineering that most pistols will NOT fire unless you intentionally pull the trigger. A gentle reminder that a pistol WILL indeed fire even if you UNINTENTIONALLY pull the trigger as well, and another reminder that other things can pull triggers besides fingers (such as clothing, buttons, etc). I personally believes pistols should have an ACTIVE safety lever. The beauty of it is that if you DO NOT LIKE such safety levers, and believe it gets in the way when you need the gun most, then you in fact do have the option of NOT using it.
Manual Safety ....
Just because its in there does not mean you have to use it
A safety is there to prevent the gun from firing if the trigger is accidentally pulled. The center blade safety on the Glock and many other guns act as a drop safety so if the gun is dropped, inertia won't move the trigger. It also may prevent an unintentional discharge if something rubs the trigger from the side, perhaps in the holster. It does NOT prevent the gun firing if the trigger is pulled. "Glock Safe Action" system is total marketing BS.
Just don’t drop your Staccato 2011 muzzle down. The inertia can easily make the firing pin go forward and hit the primer. There isn!t a firing pin block on them. Let’s not forget the range officer that was killed when someone dropped their CZ Shadow hammer down and it shot the poor RO in the head. Don’t get a false sense of security with your external safeties. It doesn’t mean it’s drop safe. There are plenty of safeties on well made, quality striker fired pistols AND most are drop safe.
Finally, a reasonable nonbiased view on manual safeties.
In reference to 1911 pistols, I would like to say that you may carry this weapon with the manual safety off as long as you use a trigger guard holster because it goes directly on the trigger area of the pistol and there is no way that this 1911 will go boom because your trigger is fully covered and you can appendix carry in confidence. when you draw your weapon the trigger guard holster is covering the area until it snaps off about 6 inches away from your body, and when you are going to return it to appendix carry you would have snapped the TG holster back in place before doing so. I carry all my weapons with these trigger guard holsters and I have never had a problem at all. I am 75yrs old, an Army Veteran of 1966 / 1969, and past LEO NYC, NY. Be safe and shoot straight! PS When you practice with your weapons and have full knowledge of how they function and are not afraid of them, But, respect them you will never have an accidental discharge. your finger should never touch that trigger until you are sure you want to fire. very nice video Guys! PSS you can check out the trigger guard holsters on youtube. try it! you just might fall in love with it.
Hammer fired SA pistols need a manual safety because you're unlocking an extremely light and smooth trigger.
Just subbed.. I love sig p320s but I'm scared of em. What do y'all think of the sig M18 and do you feel they're safe to appendix carry??
No safety? No way!
Having a firearm safety allows me greater control of the firearm. I’m not sure, but I would suspect that Glock is responsible for the confusion over having a thumb safety on a pistol. The firearm is a tool in my hands that I control. Have you ever hit your fingers hammering a nail or busted your knuckles turning a wrench? There’s no safety but strictly coordination, and we know how that works. Being in charge, being in control, being responsible, being safe. I do prefer having a thumb safety on my pistols. Thanks and Blessings y’all.
Please help. I am getting a lws seecamp. Between the .32 and the 380 version I prefer to get the 380 version (better mechanical and feed reliability as well as slightly better ballistics) but the 380 version has no manual safety. Do i really need one on my small pocket carry? I heard you say yes if the micro gun has a SAO trigger. But all seecamps have DAO triggers. So what should i do. Get the .32 version so i can have a manual safety or go with the .380 version with that DAO? (Ps: The safety on the .32 version is a finger safety on/above the trigger)
Remember the states that require a safety so I live in Massachusetts. A lot of the guns have safeties on them.
Thanks to the Both of you for this Video.👍👍
I prefer a loaded firearm no safety pointed at my junk to keep me on edge
If a safety is ergonomically designed, this is a non issue. On a 1911, the procedure is to ride the safety. Strong side stays on top of the safety, when you present out in target, you push the safety off and leave the thumb on top of it. With a gun without a safety, there is no safety there, but the strong side thumb rests in the same position. For this reason, I have zero interest in a gun with a non ergonomic safety….like the M&P Shield.
I believe, the 1911 was originally designed with only the grip safety.
I don't believe the 1911 thumb safety is a challenge for a minimally trained person. The 1911 and Hi power both have safeties that are ergonomic and easy to access. I think the reason that this is such an issue for younger people is.....Glock. most the younger guys and girls are learning to shoot on Glocks and Glock has become the standard.
Lol loved this. I like both setups depending on what gun I’m using
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No one ever offers to defend the idea of NOT having a manual safety on a rifle or shotgun…yet they will be adamant about not having one on a handgun 🤷🏻♂️
Where are you guys located?
Cape Coral Florida, shooting range locations is shoot center
In deaths waiting room, cape coral.
You say safeties are ok for "average shooters". Not a smart statement. Thumb safeties are used by some of the "best" shooters known to man. The fastest AND most accurate. This topic is always debated by those trying to tell you what is best for you. It's simple, if you think you need a thumb safety, then you need one. It's all about practicing with the gun. You should know that.
Just like wearing or not wearing a helmet when riding a motorcycle, and we know what happens to riders even when wearing a helmet. You want complete safety? Then Follow JESUS CHRIST! Hallelujah!
Jeff Cooper said "that Glock having the safety on the trigger is like having the combination stamped on a safe"
A safety prevents a gun from firing if the trigger is pulled. Glocks and other similar guns have NO safety.
Having a safe is mistake # 1 ....
Having a combination on the safe is mistake # 2
@@jaybdvmsafety is a mechanical device and "can" fail
That safety is just another i feel better with it there while chambered.
I want a safety.
He forgot the safety....because he mixes guns. Under stress causes mistakes....so under stress you may accidentally disharge....shoot a friend.or yourself ...muzzle someone....lack of trigger control....while under stress amd then somebody disagrees and comments thats its a training issue. Bit then argues a manual safety is bad because you cant train out the issue with the safety under stress
If all his guns had a safety, he’d never forget.
Yes
You might not need a safety, but I do. Not carrying without one.
Glock Leg!
I have several sig P320s and P365 pistols. I believe the P320 and P365 triggers are too light to not have a manual safety. I own, and have shot glocks for many years, and their trigger has a heavier and longer take up allowing it to get along without needing a manual safety, but the sig P320 and P365 pistols have a MUCH lighter and shorter take up.
The P320 and P365 pistols without the manual safety are much less tolerant of user error when handling.... especially when reholstering. There is nothing wrong with these triggers, in fact they are very good design wise but in my opinion it's not advisable to have have such a light trigger with such a short take up without a manual safety. This if course is why single action autos have safeties.
Light trigger and take up with a manual safety, or stiffer trigger/take up without a manual safety. You choose.
yes
Yes.im 1911 trained
ZERO discussion of DA/SA firearms whether safety or decocker? This discussion is incomplete.
I think the decocker is the way to go. Very unlikely for a unintended discharge due to the long heavy pull, but will always fire if the trigger is pulled
I like my thumb safty.
Solid points made, I agree that shooting and carrying a gun single action, it’s gotta be cocked and locked, unless it’s DA/SA. If someone decides to carry a SA gun, disabling the safety needs to be incorporated in the draw stroke so that it doesn’t take any cognitive brain work. Safeties on striker fire guns to me though are just 💩
So, you insist that all SA's must have a safety, why? There's less than about a 2 lb difference between a highly tuned SA trigger and a Glock.
I never worry about the safety. My Glock and my Sigs all have that safety feature in the trigger but I can do without the thumb safety. It’s a lever that doesn’t need to be there. I carry at four o’clock so the worst damage that could occur would simply be the tunnel in my Jeep or my bucket seat. Chest holsters are comfortable and easier to grab. I’m redesigning mine to fit more mags.
Sorry but the trigger safety is bs.. if you think that’s safety. Think again..
@@Javservice No it's not BS. Keep your finger off the trigger and remember that YOU are the safety. Be responsible and careful and you won't have any problems.
Glocks are dangerous for concealed carry.
They sell an accessory for the Glock called The Gadget. Helps with holstering.
Sig P320 goes off in the holster.
How ?
@@davissonnguyen Research.
@@GeminiiMiind ty youre very helpful.
Correction the Sig P 320 goes off in an Idiots Holster!
@@davissonnguyen There's a plethora of videos on RUclips. Are you a liberal?
Safety is you, the shooter; Safety is a state of mind, safety is a habit and practice.
Pretty dumb comment
Ok OB wan! Use the Farce instead
If it's not a glock then yes.
They sell an accessory for the Glock called The Gadget. Helps with holstering.
No.