Dyson's personal attack on Peterson reminds me of what Thomas Sowell once said, "Racism is not dead, but it is on life support - kept alive by politicians, race hustlers, and people who get a sense of moral superiority by denouncing others as 'racists'."
Oh any one that quotes Thomas Sowell is very wise. Hit the nail perfectly on the head! They, sadly, will never see it. And result to name calling almost always when they have no answer.
I love how he tries to do the old guy "Hey fellow kids" thing by trying to talk using "why so angry, bruh" as a gotcha retort, and then reverts back to the warbly church pastor voice. What an absolute clown of a huckster.
Not losing. Already lost outright. Losing implies that you can recover. You can't. If you level ad-hominem you've already unequivocally lost the argument.
@@DamnDealDone no but why resort to calling me names if you’re right unless you’re worried you’re wrong in some way and hope to make me falter in my counter argument? Your logic is a false equivalence, also known as a straw man argument. In a debate, your arguments are what people base their opinion on and resorting to insults shows you have little confidence in your arguments and believe you have lost or will lose without making the other party lose their own train of thought.
10:36 I've met a few people in my life who talk like Dyson. They can go on and on sounding extremely educated and philosophical, using complicated arguments and advanced vocabulary, but there is nothing that is actually being said. It's baffling to me how they can be using so much brain power but not able to grasp or accept the most basic truths that the average child understands.
Dyson's use of idiom is almost always incorrect and illiterate and he's just uttering these things because he heard them once and thought they sounded erudite. But, hey, when in Rome.
Agreed! On the whole. However, ‘advanced’ vocabulary’? Hmmmm. He just seems to throw in a bunch of additional, meaningless, syllables. Appears unable to use the correct grammar necessary to deliver, perfectly good, existing words. Absolute tit.
Jordan is a man of empathy which no doubt helps greatly in his profession but it also leaves him vulnerable to cruelty and he was hurt at Dyson's remarks and Dyson was almost preening himself thinking he'd scored some sort of point. Fortunately there was another man of empathy there and nothing on Earth will anger that type of man more than seeing someone being deliberately hurt for no reason but cruelty...........................so Stephen ripped the race-baiter a new one! I was almost cheering at that point since I was enraged myself. Jordan did not deserve that. But by God, that was a fantastic rebuttal on Jordan's behalf! The audience didn't like what Dyson said either but appreciated Stephen's retort.
Dyson came across as an ignorant, race-baiting, word-salad bully. Not really sure why she was there. Stephen and Jordan wiped the floor with their opponents. Jordon asking them to describe when the left goes too far..... one of the best questions i have heard
They hardly get questioned at all! The left always dominates the narrative and starts accusing opponents of fascism etc which then has the person defending themselves rather than going after the Leftist
That woman did NOT belong on stage she offered NOTHING of value. The word salad king Michael "Windbag" Dyson has never proven to be a person who speaks with wisdom. Dr. Peterson and Stephen Fry outclassed their opponents easily. This was a non-debate.
The funniest part of the entire "debate" is just how many unthinking leftists declared it a win for Dyson. I've never seen a more delusional bunch in my life.
Stephen Fry and Jordan Peterson is the tag team you do NOT want to go up against. It was an excellent debate and Stephen Fry was brilliant. He is a very well educated and genuinely lovely human being.
I’d say international! Or at least, he’s someone I look up to and aspire to be more like despite being from the US. I’ll never be as eloquent, but I hope to be as understanding.
@@saeveth His books on Greek mythology are fantastic and written in such a way that's a fresh take on the stories (well, same stories but modern wording). Well worth checking out.
I think Steven's comment during the debate summed up their opponents. "i think people are going to look back at this debate about political correctness and wonder why we didn't talk about political correctness" fantastic debate.
NO...peope ARE going to look back and wonder why the elephant in the room, Dyson's elevated status and enormous income, are not recognized as the raison d'tre of his argument: IT WORKS!!! He's an ignorant, vile, sexually indecent pig; YET KILLING IT $$$ & ON THE PARTY SCENE----IT'S WORKING!!
I think Stephen Fry was the only person in that debate who tried to debate on Political Correctness. I think Jordan Peterson did poorly, because he tried at first to focus on political correctness and then was distracted by his opponents into defending against personal attacks.
@@toms7114 You are wrong. Jordan Peterson is smarter and more open minded. Jordan in the moment, is in service to what is highest - not arbitrary debate labels. The best outcome might be to explore. Not strictly sticking to the label of a debate. Judging him only on the axis of staying on an arbitrary topic is silly. He searched for value and he found it. Stephen bringing attention to a discussion drifting is simple. It's not genius. You might like that he mentioned it, but that doesn't mean now Jordan Peterson "did poorly." He did fantastic.
@@truthpurpose Let me clarify that the "I think he did poorly" reflects solely upon his debate performance, and is in no way characteristic of my opinion of him in general or in any of his other actions that I have observed. A debate is a structured format to convince others of your opinions. The reason I think Jordan Peterson did poorly in the debate is because he defended himself from egregious personal attacks on himself by both the opposing debaters. Instead of turning the other cheek and asking of those opponents, "What do these base accusations of my character have to do with political correctness being a force for good?" Jordan Peterson lost track of what is important in a debate, logically proving your own point and logically disproving your opponents points, no matter the rhetoric used. Jordan Peterson did poorly because he allowed his emotions to drive his talking points, instead of sticking with the logic that was required for a good performance by the artificial structure of the conversation. Other than his opening statement, Jordan Peterson focused on defending his character with every utterance, instead of trying to convince the audience that political correctness is the cancer that it is. Also please learn English grammar, because I do not know what "Jordan Peterson is smarter and more open minded" than based on your comment. Just trying to figure out what you meant in each of your, partial and full, sentences was a chore.
Stephen Fry showed absolutely the form of English resistance, not soft, not forceful but passive and resistant. The absolute show of a gentleman. Nobody else, including Petersen, actually showed the capacity to understand the humanity behind the debate.
Man, I physically cringe when people flounder and embarrass themselves like that lady did. It's so uncomfortable to see them build the plank, walk to the end, and then dive headfirst into the ocean. All while reciting the many benefits of seawater for your lungs.
She was floundering because she was extremely concerned about her words, because she has been conditioned by the intolerant left and subsequent cancel culture online. She is quite literally, unconsciously, afraid to be misinterpreted and afraid to take big swings with her opinions. And ultimately, it meant that she didn't really say anything of substance at all. I do think it's unfair to say she embarrassed herself. We have no clue if she felt embarrassed. Anything else is just your personal interpretation.
My aunt was a debate judicator and always made clear at the onset that, "Any use of supposed intelligence or use of flamboyant language in an attempt to make idiocracy appear intelligent I will immediately call BS on."
When I heard about this debate I originally thought it was Fry vs Peterson and I thought “this will be interesting.” When I realized they were together I thought, “omg, they’re gonna murder these guys!”
@@jasonwatterson5739 Yeah, that was where Fry cut Peterson off at the end because he knew he was talking absolute garbage. Peterson asked for a follow up which Stephen will never do as he knows it will be a complete waste of time talking to Peterson again. Fry knows that Peterson is part of the problem and not the solution.
@@kingy002 You make a very solid observation here. Fry know that Peterson is the problem that will be a waste of his time. Fry is smart enough to know that you can never come out on top with someone like Peterson who will always respond with truth and facts.
Yesterday I asked a friend if he had read the Twitter Files. He said no. I asked why. He said "It's all bs and not worth my time". I said fine, but there's a lot in there, and written by former NY Times journalists (he reads NYT regularly). He said " Stop! Just stop!". He then said " I knew I lost you two years ago.". We argued over Bidens vaccine mandate, I opposed, he didn't. He is so utterly obsessed with his hate for Trump that no matter what, he will see ALL non liberal narratives instantly as b.s. he then accused me of "going down rabbit holes". Crazy division and so many captured minds. I was like him too, and we used to agree politically, but the past 5 years truly opened my eyes.
That the problem with most indoctrinated people, they’re told anything outside of what they were taught to be “good” is inherently evil. Liberal = Good, Conservative = Bad. This way they don’t have to listen to the argument because “hear no evil” in their view. It’s pathetic, frankly.
@@littlecatfeet9064I have to say, I hadn't thought much about it before reading your comment but indeed, I am now curious myself........ However I am also wondering why you wouldn't be curious as to the writer's race as well?? For deeper context when visualizing the scenario he's described I would need to know the race of both parties, js 😉
This is what happens when one has no argument and their perspective is indefensible. Debate is where truth is flushed out. Free speech is necessary! Censorship (political correctness) is the domain of the tyrant and truth is his enemy.
@@chrisfelouzis7195 free speech absolutism doesn't work. Coercion is language and subjective. There is no objective social solution to the threat of violence
My biggest problem with the term "transphobe" is that it's an attempt to conflate any criticism of their position as being an "irrational fear" or mental illness. It's gaslighting and an ad hominem, all in one.
Poisoning the Well. The use of that type of sophistry has always been the defining characteristic of the left in my opinion, especially among those who consider themselves the intelligentsia (e.g. pretentious wafflers like Dyson).
@@picnic66 Those individuals which lack proper information, knowledge, ideas, concepts, principles, morals, views, perspectives, perceptions, are also lacking basic, proper human though, thinking, logic, reason, reasoning. So, as seen at least within each of the selected responses by both Michael Eric Dyson and Michelle Ohr [both unknown to me and certainly insignificant] both are unable to convey anything meaningful, points within the intended topic of discussion/debate A. They each refuse to present any ideas, concepts, basis B. They C. Dyson is explicitly recorded with his explicit prejudice, bigotry, baseless internal hatred with his derogatory, deriding, condemning, labels which are certainly unfounded, improper, vile, appalling, despicable, disturbing, arrogant, haughty, egotistical character 'assassination", which is certainly a clear indication, of low self-image, lacking self-confidence, and base within any useful, helpful, beneficial, opposition, presentation, ideas, concepts from which to counter, "debate", thus resorts to using his improper labels D. Note, those with proper basis, ideas, concepts, principles, thoughts, thinking, logic, reason, reasoning, morals, etc. are not negatively affected by the improper, derogatory labels of Michael Eric Dyson, thus also, basically ignore them, thus proceed with the main topic without any shown comment or retort to the improper comments. E. Michael Eric Dyson along with Michelle Ohr are clearly among the media promoted individuals which lack proper human development, basic thought, thinking, logic, reason, reasoning, information, knowledge, principles, morals, thus are actually among the 'low level" within humans, not even reaching 'pseudo-intelliensia" ! 😲
Stephen authentic and so much smarter than those on the stage. Wisdom common sense and so much intelligence. Bless Stephen Fry for being a voice of reason!! 🙏🙏👏🏻👏🏻
I didn't know about Dyson before watched this debate, but afterwards I had to look him up. Turned out he also did the foreword for White Fragility. It all just clicked.
He’s a peach for sure. The good part, once you hear him speak, you know what he’s going to say on everything. So you only have to endure him a single time.
As a traditional conservative and a huge Dr. Peterson fan, I really appreciate and enjoy Stephen Fry. I don't agree with him on everything, but he seems to mostly be a good-faith seeker of truth, and those are hard to come by.
I recently (finally) read Mill’s On Liberty. One of the arguments for freedom of speech that hit me the hardest is that those who would censor have to think they are 100% correct…and what has history taught us, except how many times we, and especially governments, get it WRONG. Therefore, we MUST allow freedom of thought and speech, because we also must (if we claim to be honest) admit the possibility (and probability) of being wrong in some point. Therefore, it follows that we allow freedom of speech, if only for the reason of finding out where it is that we are wrong.
I'll definitely have to purchase and read that, thanks for sharing. This is basically my rationale for being against all the net-zero climate agenda. We all have plans, and we all have failed plans. Even if everything they claimed about the coming climate apocalypse were true (it isn't), the solution still would not be to put all of our resources and energy into this single plan dreamed up by politicians, effectively cutting off every other avenue for innovation. It's a simple question at the end of the day: is it more sensible to trust entirely in the plan of our current leaders, or ought we trust in the collective brilliance of all humans? It's a lot like the great horse manure crisis of 1894. Everyone was convinced that the problem would continue to grow exponentially and make things completely unlivable. And then the automobile took over and the problem vanished overnight. Imagine if instead of allowing citizens to innovate, the government had simply spent all the nations resources and energy on restricting economic growth, and actually pushed for reducing productivity and freedom? Which is exactly what we're doing now. And that would just be on the local scale, or the national scale at most. Today they're forcing this on a global scale, which is the epitome of elitism with regards to developed nations demonizing undeveloped nations for trying to improve their nations and the lives of their citizens. It's climbing up the rope to comfort and then cutting it for those that follow. We all need the freedom to be wrong in order to find out what's actually good, what's actually right, and what actually works. That last one is perhaps the most important, and why the free market is our single greatest boon for improvement.
Agreed for me it's just like human rights. If there are human rights they have to be for everyone, even those who took the human rights away from others. It could be very easily decided by those in charge who does and doesn't deserve human rights and that's just dangerous. It's like a bite inhibition, once you know you can do it is it so easy to stop yourself? Or the kinds of people who enjoy taking the rights from others. Instead of being in the prisons they'd be in the police force
Yes! That's the absolute essence of the social importance of free speech. It is the only way for a group of people to improve the way society functions - to freely share ideas, vigorously challenge every idea, and eventually, EVENTUALLY figure out which ones work best. I also appreciate Peterson's argument that, on an individual basis, speaking freely is essential to thinking clearly. The minute we shut down our verbal expression, we have reduced our ability to think. Everyday, we can see the chilling downward spiral these two effects are creating.
The perfect example of that is American slavery. Freedom of speech gave us the ability for a minority voice to gain amplification through merit and reason, to become a majority voice, and at many times unpleasant and hateful, in order to realize a moral wrong and correct it.
Stephen Fry is of course known for frequent collaboration with fellow comedian Rowan Atkinson (Mr. Bean). Did you see Rowan Atkinson's speech on free speech? It's about 8 minutes long, and it is EPIC. That's the kind of speech that turns people around on an issue.
I'm a "Heinz 57" American. I have English, Irish, Scots, Scandanavian, French, and Cherokee in my DNA. I have worked and struggled, I have moved, I have used food stamps, I have done everything and travelled every avenue to provide for my family. I have walked to work rather than take on a loan for a car I can't afford. Where is my privilege? Because I'm an average-looking "white male," I have had white racists assume I share their bigotry and black racists assume it as well. I AM A MAN. I am not a group. I am not a statistic or a stereotype. I can admire Douglas MacArthur and Frederick Douglas in the same sentence and not feels any shame, and I am not required by anyone to apologize for my ancestry, because it does not define me. I am an American man doing all he can, and that is all anyone can do, Black, White, Gay, Straight, Female, or Male. If you can do it better, please come and live my life.
Complaining about Ethnic Privilege, is like complaining about why the sky is blue. Yes, America was settled and created by White Europeans based on their traditions and history, just like many other nations were founded on their own.
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At least we can all be misogynistic thanks to modern f m nism. ;). Sucks though doesn't it.
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Just to be clear that was a joke because of the assumption of shared racism piece.
Thanks for highlighting this event again. It was such an imbalance of intellect, simultaneously brilliant and excruciating, that perfectly illustrates the current state of our public discourse. Your assessment was spot on as always.
I feel exactly the same the same. This debate changed my wavering confidence making me realise I wasn’t wrong to think the way I did. Pivotal moment in my life. Thanks for giving it a platform again. ❤️
The thing I remember best about this debate was Dyson wandering off topic and Jordan Peterson let himself wander as well. Then Stephen took his turn to speak and mentioned how people watching this in the coming years will be surprised that the original subject hadn't been discussed. He did it in an amusing wording much better than I have paraphrased here. Always enjoy hearing Stephen speak, because he really does believe in free speech, and working things out in the free exchange of ideas.
Holy shit what a statement to close this video on from Fry. "I don't think we should underestimate how much this feeling is prevalent in the culture of this strange paradox that the liberals are illiberal in their demand for liberality. They are exclusive in their demand for inclusivity, they are homogeneous in their demand for heterogeneity, they are somehow undiverse in their call for diversity. You can be diverse but not diverse in your opinions and in your language and in your behavior. It's a time i think for really engaging, emotionally fulfilling, passionate and positive doubt, and that's what I would urge, Thank you.
I always found it amazing that the public scrutiny for political correctness is almost entirely one sided. Of course being politically correct always reminds of ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes’. If you’re smart, wise, good, and pure you’ll see the King’s clothes. No one wants to appear otherwise, so of course they agree and never tell the truth of themselves. They just agree and add to the lie. Brilliant debate. Thank you.
I watched this debate years ago (in part) and couldnt sit through all of Dyson's word salad and bullshit to save my life. Some of us are built for this and some are not.
The moment you were cancelled - from your work place - knew you're going to be a force. congratulations at 100K - looking forward ⏩ when you reach 500K subs
I remember this debate from way back. My favorite part was Stephen Fry's closing statement. He had just followed Michael Eric Dyson, who is truly a moron. Fry began his statement referring to Dyson's debate style as "huckstering, snake oil, pulpit talk," but in the most passive-aggressive way. It was glorious.
and if I remember correctly, said what I thought was the most poignant words of the whole debate 'we have lost the ability of being playful with ideas' or something similar
That's because American leftists co-opted and castrated the term. They have done the same to "progressive", now they are debasing "democracy". Soon, "freedom" will equal "slavery".
@@sanniepstein4835 I think it's time to reclaim it. I just call goons like Dyson leftists and Marxists. There's nothing liberal about the modern left.
That Dyson guy can definitely serve up a word salad of esoteric words like no other. Problem is that it’s clearly a compensation for lacking in intellect.
@@perspectiveiseverything1694 Clearly, certainly within this video compilation, the improper, incorrect, invalid, disgusting, appalling, despicable derogatory, deriding, condemning labels which Michael Eric Dyson stated about either or both Jordan and Steven indicate certain improper, invalid, mindset, prejudice, bias, bigotry, baseless hated !! 😲
I absolutely love listening to Stephen Fry. He is able to make even the most mundane topics, like grass growing or paint drying, utterly fascinating. I could listen to him for hours. Such a gentleman. Thank you for this video; I shall now sit back and enjoy :)
Thank you, Warren, I had seen portions of this debate, but not those specific portions, specifically Stephen Fry's multiple points and ending statement.
Rowan Atkinson? Monty Python? Not sure they've achieved the status of national treasures.... that title is for the likes of Steven Fry and David Attenborough.
and all have said similar things about freedom of expression being stifled by the modern "liberal" political ideas on what's acceptable and the mob mentality which goes with it. When the Monty Python Crew, Stephen Fry and Rowen Atkinson started out in comedy they had to fight against the likes of Mary Whitehouse and her listeners and viewers association, a conservative organisation with a small c, but probably also mostly Conservative with a big C bunch who would protest about anything they found offensive, it was those on the left who demanded freedom of expression, but now they are the people who stand outside events protesting or run media campaigns against a certain act or speaker.
I don't know who you are. I just discovered you. I watched 2 of your videos and was very impressed with your intelligence and soft spoken ways. I subscribed and will definitely be back to watch more. Love from Canada. 💗💗💗
Mine was Christopher Hitchens opening argument against censorship and for freedom of speech. “Don’t take refuge in the false sense of security. And the feeling you are bound to be okay because you are in the safely moral majority.”
Warren . Great form !! It is apparent that you have an important role to play as the future moves forward. Your highly intelligent, even delivery, will become more and more valuable. Thank you!!
let's not overlook how when Peterson makes the point about making a "white privilege tax" Dyson unironically agreed saying "You talking some good shit right here." the sudden shift from the sanctimonious word-salad tells me that was the first and only time he was honestly speaking his mind the entire debate.
Great point. I guess I didn't hear him say that. What struck me about his rant is that at the height of it, he was talking to the audience; I think looking for that "reaction" as opposed to making a real point for a debate.
@@pinetree5489 are you talking about Peterson? Either way, the point of a public debate is to make your case to both your opponent and the crowd. Peterson often looks across the crowd to see how they react to what he says before focusing on his opponent during debates.
@@kellyevans3254 I was talking of Dyson. I had considered adding in a caveat to my statement that the clip I was speaking of was short and didn't show all of his rant from one angle AND that the others would also look at the audience at times too but just didn't include it. That may 'ruin' my point, but I'd still say his rant was more 'for' the audience.
“…paint this illusion of intelligence and substance when there’s really nothing there .” Young man, that is brilliant. I am watching your videos for the first time. I enjoy them very much. You are intelligent, insightful and dryly humorous. Keep up the good work. You are giving me faith in your generation.
I don’t understand how every time I watch one of your posts I check I am subscribed and sure enough I am not . How can RUclips constantly cancel my subscription ? Love your sane sensible commentary.
Stephen Fry is the dogs bollocks mate. True intellectual. Proper brilliant. And he's funny as fuck too. That whole debate was eye opening, the fact he is left winger, and is opposing the modern left is pretty telling.
Omg....what an amazing duo ( Fry and Peterson). They singularly are riveting to listen to, but as a team they are formidable ! No word salad, no confusion,, just clear, logical argument. Bravo gentlemen 🎉
Warren, excellent work here. I have noted the Munk debates for further videos. Good luck going forward. I also note that you must be ‘over the target’ due to the number of people telling you to shut up. 🇬🇧👍
Thank you for this video. I watched the original debate and, since, had almost forgotten how I felt listening to some of the things that were said and things that, very diligently, very intentionally, were skirted around by select parties. With your video, you have rekindled the memory of the lessons, which I learned watching the debate - memories which should always be remembered.
Thank you so much for this post ❤. As a white 60yo academic woman, I consider myself a free thinking person. However, I feel strongly about the discourse of political correctness. In my mind, a wilful blindness is dangerous and without an open discussion, and an open mind, the danger of polarity is imminent. In today's interconnected world, polarities are being exploited instantaneously, both for good and bad. The generational transitions are always uneasy and they are necessary. I am humbled by the inteligence and open mindedness of young generation today. Thank you again.
The Left goes too far. The Right goes too far. People like Stephen Fry are well-respected because they are willing to challenge their own side without pretending all societal issues are caused by the other side. I wish more people were like Mr Fry.
@@sanniepstein4835The Right goes too far when they begin to act like everyone the Left hates is automatically good. Also, in this day and age, when they start to think conspiratorially. That’s when the Right goes too far.
Ten commandments in classrooms which violates the constitution.......that seems too far....banning books seems too far.....if you read project 2025 fully I think you will be horrified by some of the things and will agree they go too far. But that's just the right ..the left are asking for women's spaces to be open to anyone who professes themselves a woman. Peeping toms used to have to hide on the bushes but under this lefty madness they just have to buy a pant suit then they can stroll through ladies changing rooms at will. Both side have glaring mistakes and foolishness. A pragmatic person realises this and doesn't allow themselves to be indoctrinated to the extent that they become blind to their own failures.
I see that you saw this in 2019, but do you know... is that when it was delivered? Things have become so unhinged in recent years, and would love to see a debate like this again! Thanks for posting.
Saw this when it was originally posted. JP and Fry are both people you don't want to debate. The woman was just sad. Dyson came off as genuinely filled with hate.
"Mr. Peterson"? Really? He earned being called "Dr." Please respect that. I remember watching this when it aired. It was brilliant and it definitely inspired me. Notice that Dr. Peterson and Stephen Fry continue to respect their opponents. This was a smart debate and Peterson and Fry nailed this debate. The other side got so emotional and irrational. There was a lack of relaxation and common sense. The word salad and racist comment was uncalled for. That was the turning point.
Technically, he is "Professor emeritus". I know a few people who would consider being called "Dr." at this stage of their career extremely disrespectful.
I watched this debate many times and the first thing I thought of with Dyson throwing out a thesaurus every time he speaks is that he’s a bad parody of a comical Don King parody!
Should have included some links to the full debate and the audience polling results. The video misrepresents the audience poll. The question the audience was asked was, "Be it resolved, what you call political correctness, I call progress". Before the debate, 36% agreed with the statement and 61% disagreed. After the debate, 30% agreed and 70% disagreed. So, they started with a strong majority in Stephen Fry's camp, and the debate moved another 9% into Stephen Fry's side (from 61% to 70%).
Kudos. "My words exactly" won't cut it because you've kicked it up a notch. No smart-assery, no emotional mumbo-jumbo. Straight to the core. Stay healthy, because the world needs You. Cheers!
I watched that debate when it first aired and was utterly fascinated and enthralled by that debate. In my experience, most young people are 1 dimensional and are unwilling to entertain any view that disagrees with their own or their tribes.
excellent analysis. I'm reminded of reading Sowell for the first time. Your ability to emotionally detach is the model of the new Enlightenment. Thanks.
Stephen was pure class, Dyson had no class, Michelle missed the class, and Dr. Peterson taught the class.
very well said..
@@AFringedGentian underrated comment
Pure Gold
Put very well 👍
I know already from past clips as soon as I hear Dyson it's going to be a fake babbling Shakespearean class of how we should just shut the F up.
Dyson's personal attack on Peterson reminds me of what Thomas Sowell once said,
"Racism is not dead, but it is on life support - kept alive by politicians, race hustlers, and people who get a sense of moral superiority by denouncing others as 'racists'."
All Dyson said to Peterson was “you’re mean” 😢 That’s it!
@@DetVen
He said "you're a mean mad white man." Timestamp 11:05
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Timestamp 11:05
The racists are now a different colour
Oh any one that quotes Thomas Sowell is very wise. Hit the nail perfectly on the head! They, sadly, will never see it. And result to name calling almost always when they have no answer.
One of the best parts of this debate was when Dyson revealed himself to be the absolutely virulent racist that he is at the end.
I agree.
Mans had a complete meltdown, straight threw a temper tantrum😂
Or, the worst part…but I understand what you mean.
I love how he tries to do the old guy "Hey fellow kids" thing by trying to talk using "why so angry, bruh" as a gotcha retort, and then reverts back to the warbly church pastor voice.
What an absolute clown of a huckster.
You forgot at the beginning, middle to that.
If your best response is a personal attack in a debate, you’re not debating, you’re losing.
All rules are 180 now to intentionally destroy us.
Well put, tried to know Peterson off balance but it did nothing to him
Not losing. Already lost outright.
Losing implies that you can recover. You can't. If you level ad-hominem you've already unequivocally lost the argument.
That is logically not true. If I say 1 + 1 = 2, and then say you are a knob, my first statement doesn't become any less true.
@@DamnDealDone no but why resort to calling me names if you’re right unless you’re worried you’re wrong in some way and hope to make me falter in my counter argument? Your logic is a false equivalence, also known as a straw man argument. In a debate, your arguments are what people base their opinion on and resorting to insults shows you have little confidence in your arguments and believe you have lost or will lose without making the other party lose their own train of thought.
Concerning Dyson: "A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion."
Oooooh! I love that. In quotations…may i I ask who it’s attributed to?
From: Proverbs 18:2
Oh nice Catbenedict beautifly put but just in case, that'll be King Solomon, wisest of the wise
I find it repulsive that he makes a good living, being a hate filled fool.
@@A-betterMeHe messed up in Ecclesiastes but asked the Lord to forgive him and was beautifully restored to his great wisdom 🥰
Stephen Fry is ridiculously good at public speaking
I gotta say , English celebs are classier than U.S. and more educated
People instantly recognize “real” and genuine humbleness when they see it. They are qualities nearly impossible to fake, and equally hard to miss.
@Trizzer89..yep he's one of the best🤘🤘
10:36 I've met a few people in my life who talk like Dyson. They can go on and on sounding extremely educated and philosophical, using complicated arguments and advanced vocabulary, but there is nothing that is actually being said.
It's baffling to me how they can be using so much brain power but not able to grasp or accept the most basic truths that the average child understands.
Dyson's use of idiom is almost always incorrect and illiterate and he's just uttering these things because he heard them once and thought they sounded erudite. But, hey, when in Rome.
Agreed! On the whole.
However, ‘advanced’ vocabulary’? Hmmmm.
He just seems to throw in a bunch of additional, meaningless, syllables.
Appears unable to use the correct grammar necessary to deliver, perfectly good, existing words.
Absolute tit.
Dyson is the living embodiment of malapropism. I think there’s an In Living Color skit based on him.
"Egad, but the man has courage; he twists his tongue well about no subject at all." -Unknown Spartan
Dyson's affectations of speech show him up to be a small man, a pale imitation of everything that Stephen Fry actually is.
The angry white man comment really devalued the debate. I’ve never seen a good interview with that guy. Congrats on over 100k subs now. 🎉
Jordan is a man of empathy which no doubt helps greatly in his profession but it also leaves him vulnerable to cruelty and he was hurt at Dyson's remarks and Dyson was almost preening himself thinking he'd scored some sort of point. Fortunately there was another man of empathy there and nothing on Earth will anger that type of man more than seeing someone being deliberately hurt for no reason but cruelty...........................so Stephen ripped the race-baiter a new one! I was almost cheering at that point since I was enraged myself. Jordan did not deserve that. But by God, that was a fantastic rebuttal on Jordan's behalf! The audience didn't like what Dyson said either but appreciated Stephen's retort.
Dyson uses this comment in every debate. Makes him seem to be a racist, silly and small man.
Dyson came across as an ignorant, race-baiting, word-salad bully. Not really sure why she was there. Stephen and Jordan wiped the floor with their opponents. Jordon asking them to describe when the left goes too far..... one of the best questions i have heard
Michael Eric Dyson is 100% is the stuffed-suit version of Oswald Bates.
Yes, what is the measurable goal, when do you, how do recognize it? It always will elude you.
They hardly get questioned at all! The left always dominates the narrative and starts accusing opponents of fascism etc which then has the person defending themselves rather than going after the Leftist
@@mlovmo not know who Oswald Bates is
The left goes too far the moment it sacrifices the means for the ends.
That woman did NOT belong on stage she offered NOTHING of value. The word salad king Michael "Windbag" Dyson has never proven to be a person who speaks with wisdom. Dr. Peterson and Stephen Fry outclassed their opponents easily. This was a non-debate.
You think Dyson had any intention of letting her speak?!? He thought it was gonna be the Mike Dyson show and he just made himself look terrible!
The funniest part of the entire "debate" is just how many unthinking leftists declared it a win for Dyson. I've never seen a more delusional bunch in my life.
Stephen Fry and Jordan Peterson is the tag team you do NOT want to go up against. It was an excellent debate and Stephen Fry was brilliant. He is a very well educated and genuinely lovely human being.
Honestly, Steven Fry carried Peterson that debate. You could pair him with Joe Biden and it'd be a team to reckon with.
These two are like the Avengers for society. Let their super powers destroy the villians.
..You are absolutely correct.. Regardless of the debate.. I would not take the opposing side of virtually any subject.
@@lanzer22 How old are you? Ask Peterson about why he supports Israel's war crimes since 1946.....
I think well educated in the best British tradition is quite important.
Stephen Fry is a national treasure 🇬🇧
The same fool whose like "BONE CANCER IN CHILDREN REALLY" BOOHOO NIGHA
I’d say international! Or at least, he’s someone I look up to and aspire to be more like despite being from the US. I’ll never be as eloquent, but I hope to be as understanding.
@@saeveth His books on Greek mythology are fantastic and written in such a way that's a fresh take on the stories (well, same stories but modern wording). Well worth checking out.
excellent humanity
I love stephen... In a totally platonic, straight-guy way😂
I think Steven's comment during the debate summed up their opponents. "i think people are going to look back at this debate about political correctness and wonder why we didn't talk about political correctness"
fantastic debate.
NO...peope ARE going to look back and wonder why the elephant in the room, Dyson's elevated status
and enormous income, are not recognized as the raison d'tre of his argument: IT WORKS!!!
He's an ignorant, vile, sexually indecent pig; YET KILLING IT $$$ & ON THE PARTY SCENE----IT'S WORKING!!
I think Stephen Fry was the only person in that debate who tried to debate on Political Correctness. I think Jordan Peterson did poorly, because he tried at first to focus on political correctness and then was distracted by his opponents into defending against personal attacks.
@toms7114 you are right, Steven was the only one who stayed on topic the whole time .
@@toms7114 You are wrong. Jordan Peterson is smarter and more open minded. Jordan in the moment, is in service to what is highest - not arbitrary debate labels. The best outcome might be to explore. Not strictly sticking to the label of a debate. Judging him only on the axis of staying on an arbitrary topic is silly. He searched for value and he found it. Stephen bringing attention to a discussion drifting is simple. It's not genius. You might like that he mentioned it, but that doesn't mean now Jordan Peterson "did poorly." He did fantastic.
@@truthpurpose Let me clarify that the "I think he did poorly" reflects solely upon his debate performance, and is in no way characteristic of my opinion of him in general or in any of his other actions that I have observed.
A debate is a structured format to convince others of your opinions. The reason I think Jordan Peterson did poorly in the debate is because he defended himself from egregious personal attacks on himself by both the opposing debaters. Instead of turning the other cheek and asking of those opponents, "What do these base accusations of my character have to do with political correctness being a force for good?" Jordan Peterson lost track of what is important in a debate, logically proving your own point and logically disproving your opponents points, no matter the rhetoric used. Jordan Peterson did poorly because he allowed his emotions to drive his talking points, instead of sticking with the logic that was required for a good performance by the artificial structure of the conversation. Other than his opening statement, Jordan Peterson focused on defending his character with every utterance, instead of trying to convince the audience that political correctness is the cancer that it is.
Also please learn English grammar, because I do not know what "Jordan Peterson is smarter and more open minded" than based on your comment. Just trying to figure out what you meant in each of your, partial and full, sentences was a chore.
Stephen Fry showed absolutely the form of English resistance, not soft, not forceful but passive and resistant. The absolute show of a gentleman. Nobody else, including Petersen, actually showed the capacity to understand the humanity behind the debate.
Man, I physically cringe when people flounder and embarrass themselves like that lady did. It's so uncomfortable to see them build the plank, walk to the end, and then dive headfirst into the ocean. All while reciting the many benefits of seawater for your lungs.
That's really beautifully written.
I feel they've spent so long preaching to the faithful, they've never had their opinions challenged or even had to think through what they believe.
She was floundering because she was extremely concerned about her words, because she has been conditioned by the intolerant left and subsequent cancel culture online. She is quite literally, unconsciously, afraid to be misinterpreted and afraid to take big swings with her opinions. And ultimately, it meant that she didn't really say anything of substance at all. I do think it's unfair to say she embarrassed herself. We have no clue if she felt embarrassed. Anything else is just your personal interpretation.
My aunt was a debate judicator and always made clear at the onset that, "Any use of supposed intelligence or use of flamboyant language in an attempt to make idiocracy appear intelligent I will immediately call BS on."
When I heard about this debate I originally thought it was Fry vs Peterson and I thought “this will be interesting.” When I realized they were together I thought, “omg, they’re gonna murder these guys!”
As a direct result Stephen and Jordan, did have a discussion about religion which was very interesting and worth finding on RUclips
@@jasonwatterson5739 Yeah, that was where Fry cut Peterson off at the end because he knew he was talking absolute garbage. Peterson asked for a follow up which Stephen will never do as he knows it will be a complete waste of time talking to Peterson again. Fry knows that Peterson is part of the problem and not the solution.
Exactly my impression
The For debaters vs. The Against debaters
equivalent to
Butter knives vs. Nuclear Bombs
This says a lot about society 😢@@kingy002
@@kingy002 You make a very solid observation here. Fry know that Peterson is the problem that will be a waste of his time. Fry is smart enough to know that you can never come out on top with someone like Peterson who will always respond with truth and facts.
Yesterday I asked a friend if he had read the Twitter Files. He said no. I asked why. He said "It's all bs and not worth my time". I said fine, but there's a lot in there, and written by former NY Times journalists (he reads NYT regularly). He said " Stop! Just stop!". He then said " I knew I lost you two years ago.". We argued over Bidens vaccine mandate, I opposed, he didn't. He is so utterly obsessed with his hate for Trump that no matter what, he will see ALL non liberal narratives instantly as b.s. he then accused me of "going down rabbit holes". Crazy division and so many captured minds. I was like him too, and we used to agree politically, but the past 5 years truly opened my eyes.
PS. He is also the most overt racist I know, and uses the N word around me freely, and used it loudly in front of my wife and two kids.
@@jimmoses6617Curious. Is he white?
Congrats on breaking your conditioning. Unfortunately you’re now in the minority.
That the problem with most indoctrinated people, they’re told anything outside of what they were taught to be “good” is inherently evil. Liberal = Good, Conservative = Bad. This way they don’t have to listen to the argument because “hear no evil” in their view.
It’s pathetic, frankly.
@@littlecatfeet9064I have to say, I hadn't thought much about it before reading your comment but indeed, I am now curious myself........ However I am also wondering why you wouldn't be curious as to the writer's race as well?? For deeper context when visualizing the scenario he's described I would need to know the race of both parties, js 😉
This is what happens when one has no argument and their perspective is indefensible. Debate is where truth is flushed out. Free speech is necessary! Censorship (political correctness) is the domain of the tyrant and truth is his enemy.
Yes the insidiousness of Political Correctness is it's 'self censorship' .... humans need freedom of self expression, or we die from within.
Ohh... I'm taking that. Appreciated
A friend of mine said, "...where truth is a stranger and they embrace mendacity as a lover."
@@chrisfelouzis7195 free speech absolutism doesn't work. Coercion is language and subjective. There is no objective social solution to the threat of violence
Very well put! I’m gonna remember that!
My biggest problem with the term "transphobe" is that it's an attempt to conflate any criticism of their position as being an "irrational fear" or mental illness. It's gaslighting and an ad hominem, all in one.
Poisoning the Well. The use of that type of sophistry has always been the defining characteristic of the left in my opinion, especially among those who consider themselves the intelligentsia (e.g. pretentious wafflers like Dyson).
Kind of like "antisemitism".
@@picnic66 Those individuals which lack proper information, knowledge, ideas, concepts, principles, morals, views, perspectives, perceptions, are also lacking basic, proper human though, thinking, logic, reason, reasoning.
So, as seen at least within each of the selected responses by both Michael Eric Dyson and Michelle Ohr [both unknown to me and certainly insignificant] both are unable to convey anything meaningful, points within the intended topic of discussion/debate
A. They each refuse to present any ideas, concepts, basis
B. They
C. Dyson is explicitly recorded with his explicit prejudice, bigotry, baseless internal hatred with his derogatory, deriding, condemning, labels which are certainly unfounded, improper, vile, appalling, despicable, disturbing, arrogant, haughty, egotistical character 'assassination", which is certainly a clear indication, of low self-image, lacking self-confidence, and base within any useful, helpful, beneficial, opposition, presentation, ideas, concepts from which to counter, "debate", thus resorts to using his improper labels
D. Note, those with proper basis, ideas, concepts, principles, thoughts, thinking, logic, reason, reasoning, morals, etc. are not negatively affected by the improper, derogatory labels of Michael Eric Dyson, thus also, basically ignore them, thus proceed with the main topic without any shown comment or retort to the improper comments.
E. Michael Eric Dyson along with Michelle Ohr are clearly among the media promoted individuals which lack proper human development, basic thought, thinking, logic, reason, reasoning, information, knowledge, principles, morals, thus are actually among the 'low level" within humans, not even reaching 'pseudo-intelliensia" ! 😲
'Misogynist' is often used in the same way.
'Misogynist' is often used in the same way.
Stephen authentic and so much smarter than those on the stage. Wisdom common sense and so much intelligence. Bless Stephen Fry for being a voice of reason!! 🙏🙏👏🏻👏🏻
I didn't know about Dyson before watched this debate, but afterwards I had to look him up. Turned out he also did the foreword for White Fragility. It all just clicked.
He’s a peach for sure.
The good part, once you hear him speak, you know what he’s going to say on everything.
So you only have to endure him a single time.
Yes a book of utter garbage front to back. Matt Taibbi's review of it was appropriate.
Dyson uses a lot of fancy words and phrases to say nothing of substance.
Ditto.
“If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”- Webster’s Dictionary definition of Michael Eric Dyson.
You can see the respect in Jordan's face as Frey was giving his closing summation.
Stephen Fry.
It was amazing. Fry and Peterson were brilliant. The other two were sad. Dyson, here and elsewhere, showed himself to be smug and hateful .
He's a racist, pure and simple.
Yapping at a Canadian and an Englishman (IN Canada) about slavery. Know your audience Dyson.
Dyson is also an unapologetic racist. That is at the core of his being.
This was - regardless of how many realize it - a watershed moment in the history of political debate.
"Hey, would you like to participate in a debate about a thing?"
"Sure! As long as I don't have to talk about the actual thing."
🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
😂✌🏼
Kamala Harris
@@calartian85 The left throughout the western civilization.
As a traditional conservative and a huge Dr. Peterson fan, I really appreciate and enjoy Stephen Fry. I don't agree with him on everything, but he seems to mostly be a good-faith seeker of truth, and those are hard to come by.
I recently (finally) read Mill’s On Liberty. One of the arguments for freedom of speech that hit me the hardest is that those who would censor have to think they are 100% correct…and what has history taught us, except how many times we, and especially governments, get it WRONG. Therefore, we MUST allow freedom of thought and speech, because we also must (if we claim to be honest) admit the possibility (and probability) of being wrong in some point. Therefore, it follows that we allow freedom of speech, if only for the reason of finding out where it is that we are wrong.
I'll definitely have to purchase and read that, thanks for sharing. This is basically my rationale for being against all the net-zero climate agenda. We all have plans, and we all have failed plans. Even if everything they claimed about the coming climate apocalypse were true (it isn't), the solution still would not be to put all of our resources and energy into this single plan dreamed up by politicians, effectively cutting off every other avenue for innovation. It's a simple question at the end of the day: is it more sensible to trust entirely in the plan of our current leaders, or ought we trust in the collective brilliance of all humans?
It's a lot like the great horse manure crisis of 1894. Everyone was convinced that the problem would continue to grow exponentially and make things completely unlivable. And then the automobile took over and the problem vanished overnight. Imagine if instead of allowing citizens to innovate, the government had simply spent all the nations resources and energy on restricting economic growth, and actually pushed for reducing productivity and freedom? Which is exactly what we're doing now. And that would just be on the local scale, or the national scale at most. Today they're forcing this on a global scale, which is the epitome of elitism with regards to developed nations demonizing undeveloped nations for trying to improve their nations and the lives of their citizens. It's climbing up the rope to comfort and then cutting it for those that follow.
We all need the freedom to be wrong in order to find out what's actually good, what's actually right, and what actually works. That last one is perhaps the most important, and why the free market is our single greatest boon for improvement.
Agreed for me it's just like human rights. If there are human rights they have to be for everyone, even those who took the human rights away from others.
It could be very easily decided by those in charge who does and doesn't deserve human rights and that's just dangerous. It's like a bite inhibition, once you know you can do it is it so easy to stop yourself? Or the kinds of people who enjoy taking the rights from others. Instead of being in the prisons they'd be in the police force
Yes! That's the absolute essence of the social importance of free speech. It is the only way for a group of people to improve the way society functions - to freely share ideas, vigorously challenge every idea, and eventually, EVENTUALLY figure out which ones work best. I also appreciate Peterson's argument that, on an individual basis, speaking freely is essential to thinking clearly. The minute we shut down our verbal expression, we have reduced our ability to think. Everyday, we can see the chilling downward spiral these two effects are creating.
The perfect example of that is American slavery. Freedom of speech gave us the ability for a minority voice to gain amplification through merit and reason, to become a majority voice, and at many times unpleasant and hateful, in order to realize a moral wrong and correct it.
@@smexijebus problem with that is you know some things are wrong so you don't have to ignore others as they jump off a 500 foot cliff.
Stephen Fry is of course known for frequent collaboration with fellow comedian Rowan Atkinson (Mr. Bean). Did you see Rowan Atkinson's speech on free speech? It's about 8 minutes long, and it is EPIC. That's the kind of speech that turns people around on an issue.
I'm a "Heinz 57" American. I have English, Irish, Scots, Scandanavian, French, and Cherokee in my DNA. I have worked and struggled, I have moved, I have used food stamps, I have done everything and travelled every avenue to provide for my family. I have walked to work rather than take on a loan for a car I can't afford. Where is my privilege? Because I'm an average-looking "white male," I have had white racists assume I share their bigotry and black racists assume it as well. I AM A MAN. I am not a group. I am not a statistic or a stereotype. I can admire Douglas MacArthur and Frederick Douglas in the same sentence and not feels any shame, and I am not required by anyone to apologize for my ancestry, because it does not define me. I am an American man doing all he can, and that is all anyone can do, Black, White, Gay, Straight, Female, or Male. If you can do it better, please come and live my life.
Complaining about Ethnic Privilege, is like complaining about why the sky is blue. Yes, America was settled and created by White Europeans based on their traditions and history, just like many other nations were founded on their own.
At least we can all be misogynistic thanks to modern f m nism. ;). Sucks though doesn't it.
Just to be clear that was a joke because of the assumption of shared racism piece.
Explain,please.
@@marnieweaver3935 Are you asking the OP Marnie?
Thanks for highlighting this event again. It was such an imbalance of intellect, simultaneously brilliant and excruciating, that perfectly illustrates the current state of our public discourse. Your assessment was spot on as always.
that dyson guy is the worst kind of people in the world.
His job is to create racial division. It's why he exists.
And he’s very well paid for what he does.
worse than literal nazis? or khmer rogue?
@@willreznicek4202 worser, much worser.
Dyson must love racism... it's given him a career and an identity! He'd be nothing without it!
$50.00 words can’t camouflage $1.00 thinking.
I remember this debate. Dyson and his partner? Their positions were chilling in their fanaticism and cognitive dissonance.
@evalramman as are most of the radical 'progressive' left, unfortunately. As Stephen Fry said, they're recruiters for the right 😐
@@springwood1331 Who are actually regressives - they hate the idea of gender-blindness and race-blindness.
Eric Dyson is a self aggrandising smug arsehole and simply not that bright.. Lots of big words but no substance
This was my first video I've seen of yours n I may say I Dig ur Thinking
You know you lost the argument when you start dropping the white privilege card.
One hundred per cent. 🎯
@@MissBeeeBeee I think they realised they lost the argument when Stephen and Jordan walked up on the stage.
Especially when his entire career is based on his black skin.
Stephen Fry is a national treasure!!! I could genuinely listen to him talk all day!
I feel exactly the same the same. This debate changed my wavering confidence making me realise I wasn’t wrong to think the way I did. Pivotal moment in my life. Thanks for giving it a platform again. ❤️
So grateful I discovered your channel. So thought provoking. We need more!
Congrats on 100k!
About TIME !!!
Well gaht damn. Aren't you a breath of fresh fuckin' air. Glad I stumbled on this channel. Good job.
The thing I remember best about this debate was Dyson wandering off topic and Jordan Peterson let himself wander as well. Then Stephen took his turn to speak and mentioned how people watching this in the coming years will be surprised that the original subject hadn't been discussed. He did it in an amusing wording much better than I have paraphrased here.
Always enjoy hearing Stephen speak, because he really does believe in free speech, and working things out in the free exchange of ideas.
Holy shit what a statement to close this video on from Fry.
"I don't think we should underestimate how much this feeling is prevalent in the culture of this strange paradox that the liberals are illiberal in their demand for liberality.
They are exclusive in their demand for inclusivity, they are homogeneous in their demand for heterogeneity, they are somehow undiverse in their call for diversity. You can be diverse but not diverse in your opinions and in your language and in your behavior. It's a time i think for really engaging, emotionally fulfilling, passionate and positive doubt, and that's what I would urge, Thank you.
I always found it amazing that the public scrutiny for political correctness is almost entirely one sided.
Of course being politically correct always reminds of ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes’.
If you’re smart, wise, good, and pure you’ll see the King’s clothes. No one wants to appear otherwise, so of course they agree and never tell the truth of themselves. They just agree and add to the lie.
Brilliant debate. Thank you.
Yup, the Golden Calf of circular logic.
Some of us think for ourselves and don't much care how we appear to other people.
The military term we use is called losing your bearing they have no fight in them
I watched this debate years ago (in part) and couldnt sit through all of Dyson's word salad and bullshit to save my life. Some of us are built for this and some are not.
In the USA, perhaps. But, just like with measurements, Americans use a whole different scale!
It does my heart immense good to see Dr Peterson and Mr Fry on the same side: reason.
The moment you were cancelled - from your work place - knew you're going to be a force. congratulations at 100K - looking forward ⏩ when you reach 500K subs
I’ve wondered about that “mean mad whiteman” origin forever!! Thankyou for clearing that up. (Jordan quotes it tongue in cheek)😂❤️
I remember this debate from way back. My favorite part was Stephen Fry's closing statement. He had just followed Michael Eric Dyson, who is truly a moron. Fry began his statement referring to Dyson's debate style as "huckstering, snake oil, pulpit talk," but in the most passive-aggressive way. It was glorious.
and if I remember correctly, said what I thought was the most poignant words of the whole debate 'we have lost the ability of being playful with ideas' or something similar
Dyson has been exposed in several debates I have seen as a smug, entitled, racist.
Fry is a classical liberal which any sensible person would also choose, note I’m English and liberal has a different connotation in the US
It's a word I avoid. Too many conflicting meanings.
That's because American leftists co-opted and castrated the term. They have done the same to "progressive", now they are debasing "democracy". Soon, "freedom" will equal "slavery".
@@sanniepstein4835 I think it's time to reclaim it. I just call goons like Dyson leftists and Marxists. There's nothing liberal about the modern left.
Liberal in this context is the same in the US, it's a pdf file who wants to have relations with teenage boys
I used to consider myself a progressive. Apparently now I'm a left-leaning libertarian.
That Dyson guy can definitely serve up a word salad of esoteric words like no other. Problem is that it’s clearly a compensation for lacking in intellect.
Or at least not wanting to put in the time to research and distill, to understand and communicate that understanding.
Dyson is unsufferable. 🐿
😄😄🙌🙌 Precisely what I came to say! Thank you!
He's ALWAYS been insufferable.
Race-baiting bigots frequently are.
@@perspectiveiseverything1694 Clearly, certainly within this video compilation, the improper, incorrect, invalid, disgusting, appalling, despicable derogatory, deriding, condemning labels which Michael Eric Dyson stated about either or both Jordan and Steven indicate certain improper, invalid, mindset, prejudice, bias, bigotry, baseless hated !! 😲
It’s always hilarious listening to Dyson trying so desperately to sound all eloquent and Stephen just does it completely effortlessly
I absolutely love listening to Stephen Fry. He is able to make even the most mundane topics, like grass growing or paint drying, utterly fascinating. I could listen to him for hours. Such a gentleman. Thank you for this video; I shall now sit back and enjoy :)
There’s a video I listen to to fall asleep where Stephen Fry reads about a Lavender Farm. I love it 💜
I was going to say something similar, he's logical yet able to make the listener feel his reasoning in a thoughtful well mannered way.
@@PuddilyOopsme too, Blue Gold 😊
Thank you, Warren, I had seen portions of this debate, but not those specific portions, specifically Stephen Fry's multiple points and ending statement.
Stephen Fry is a national treasure. Alongside Rowan Atkinson and The Monty Python crew.
Don't forget Hugh Laurie ..
Rowan Atkinson? Monty Python? Not sure they've achieved the status of national treasures.... that title is for the likes of Steven Fry and David Attenborough.
@@jackdeladd238 Not enough people listen to Rowan Atkinson.
and all have said similar things about freedom of expression being stifled by the modern "liberal" political ideas on what's acceptable and the mob mentality which goes with it.
When the Monty Python Crew, Stephen Fry and Rowen Atkinson started out in comedy they had to fight against the likes of Mary Whitehouse and her listeners and viewers association, a conservative organisation with a small c, but probably also mostly Conservative with a big C bunch who would protest about anything they found offensive, it was those on the left who demanded freedom of expression, but now they are the people who stand outside events protesting or run media campaigns against a certain act or speaker.
He’s not a national treasure. He’s a global treasure, or at the very least a treasure to the Western World.
I don't know who you are. I just discovered you. I watched 2 of your videos and was very impressed with your intelligence and soft spoken ways. I subscribed and will definitely be back to watch more.
Love from Canada. 💗💗💗
Mine was Christopher Hitchens opening argument against censorship and for freedom of speech. “Don’t take refuge in the false sense of security. And the feeling you are bound to be okay because you are in the safely moral majority.”
I miss him
Warren . Great form !! It is apparent that you have an important role to play as the future moves forward. Your highly intelligent, even delivery, will become more and more valuable. Thank you!!
let's not overlook how when Peterson makes the point about making a "white privilege tax" Dyson unironically agreed saying "You talking some good shit right here." the sudden shift from the sanctimonious word-salad tells me that was the first and only time he was honestly speaking his mind the entire debate.
Great point. I guess I didn't hear him say that. What struck me about his rant is that at the height of it, he was talking to the audience; I think looking for that "reaction" as opposed to making a real point for a debate.
@@pinetree5489 are you talking about Peterson? Either way, the point of a public debate is to make your case to both your opponent and the crowd. Peterson often looks across the crowd to see how they react to what he says before focusing on his opponent during debates.
@@kellyevans3254 I was talking of Dyson. I had considered adding in a caveat to my statement that the clip I was speaking of was short and didn't show all of his rant from one angle AND that the others would also look at the audience at times too but just didn't include it. That may 'ruin' my point, but I'd still say his rant was more 'for' the audience.
@@pinetree5489 Dyson was super insufferable
dyson wants nothing less than white slavery, he hates white people, but doesn't really know a good reason too. He's a bigot.
“…paint this illusion of intelligence and substance when there’s really nothing there .” Young man, that is brilliant. I am watching your videos for the first time. I enjoy them very much. You are intelligent, insightful and dryly humorous. Keep up the good work. You are giving me faith in your generation.
I don’t understand how every time I watch one of your posts I check I am subscribed and sure enough I am not . How can RUclips constantly cancel my subscription ? Love your sane sensible commentary.
Glad to see this channel growing!
Stephen Fry is the dogs bollocks mate. True intellectual. Proper brilliant. And he's funny as fuck too.
That whole debate was eye opening, the fact he is left winger, and is opposing the modern left is pretty telling.
I genuinely feel bad for people whose entire identity is being a 'victim'. That must be exhausting.
They certainly do not live a carefree life.
I believe living a ‘victimhood’ life, quickly ages a person.
& self-fullfilling and ultimately corruptive.
So glad I found your channel a few months ago. Keep posting these types of videos and expressing yourself. You’re doing great, necessary work
I really appreciate your work, Warren. Good example setting.
Watched this debate several years ago, its refreshing to have your commentary about it. The Dyson word salad was hilarious 😂
Right on. Thanks for sharing.
Omg....what an amazing duo ( Fry and Peterson). They singularly are riveting to listen to, but as a team they are formidable !
No word salad, no confusion,, just clear, logical argument.
Bravo gentlemen 🎉
Warren, excellent work here.
I have noted the Munk debates for further videos.
Good luck going forward.
I also note that you must be ‘over the target’ due to the number of people telling you to shut up.
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Polically correct = factually incorrect
I am so happy to have found your channel. The force is strong in you.
The debate is well worth watching in full. ❤
Thank you for making this video.
Congratulations on the 100k Warren. God bless :)
Just found you, so pleased. This is so illuminating . Good job
Jordan Peterson is a left leaning centrist, only this insane era could label him far to the right.
jordan's a right leaning centrist
@@haydenwalton2766 Yeah he's definitely right leaning, still very moderate to me.
Is that comment meant to be satire?
he's a conservative who shills for a genocide
What?
Thank you for this video. I watched the original debate and, since, had almost forgotten how I felt listening to some of the things that were said and things that, very diligently, very intentionally, were skirted around by select parties. With your video, you have rekindled the memory of the lessons, which I learned watching the debate - memories which should always be remembered.
I remember this. Good pick.
Thank you so much for this post ❤. As a white 60yo academic woman, I consider myself a free thinking person. However, I feel strongly about the discourse of political correctness. In my mind, a wilful blindness is dangerous and without an open discussion, and an open mind, the danger of polarity is imminent. In today's interconnected world, polarities are being exploited instantaneously, both for good and bad. The generational transitions are always uneasy and they are necessary. I am humbled by the inteligence and open mindedness of young generation today. Thank you again.
Scott Adams: "Politics is about winning the meanings of words."
I'd seen this debate before but it was interesting to hear your view on it, glad to see it mirrors my own.
The Left goes too far. The Right goes too far. People like Stephen Fry are well-respected because they are willing to challenge their own side without pretending all societal issues are caused by the other side. I wish more people were like Mr Fry.
In what cases does the right go too far?
@@sanniepstein4835I am genuinely interested in the answer to this question.
@@sanniepstein4835The Right goes too far when they begin to act like everyone the Left hates is automatically good. Also, in this day and age, when they start to think conspiratorially. That’s when the Right goes too far.
@@sanniepstein4835 What do you consider to be the policies of a right wing government?
Ten commandments in classrooms which violates the constitution.......that seems too far....banning books seems too far.....if you read project 2025 fully I think you will be horrified by some of the things and will agree they go too far. But that's just the right ..the left are asking for women's spaces to be open to anyone who professes themselves a woman. Peeping toms used to have to hide on the bushes but under this lefty madness they just have to buy a pant suit then they can stroll through ladies changing rooms at will. Both side have glaring mistakes and foolishness. A pragmatic person realises this and doesn't allow themselves to be indoctrinated to the extent that they become blind to their own failures.
I see that you saw this in 2019, but do you know... is that when it was delivered? Things have become so unhinged in recent years, and would love to see a debate like this again! Thanks for posting.
Saw this when it was originally posted. JP and Fry are both people you don't want to debate. The woman was just sad. Dyson came off as genuinely filled with hate.
Everything the dude said is a reflection of how he feels himself.
2 videos in.. great point of view/commentary and another great watch. Nice
Woohoo! 100K!
Stephen Fry = very smart, common sense driven human being. Brilliant mind
So true ,America needs much more of him. Try fry and Laurie for openers.
"Mr. Peterson"? Really? He earned being called "Dr." Please respect that. I remember watching this when it aired. It was brilliant and it definitely inspired me. Notice that Dr. Peterson and Stephen Fry continue to respect their opponents. This was a smart debate and Peterson and Fry nailed this debate. The other side got so emotional and irrational. There was a lack of relaxation and common sense. The word salad and racist comment was uncalled for. That was the turning point.
Technically, he is "Professor emeritus". I know a few people who would consider being called "Dr." at this stage of their career extremely disrespectful.
@@horacelidenbrock3905 It's better than "mister" (unless he's a surgeon)
I watched this debate many times and the first thing I thought of with Dyson throwing out a thesaurus every time he speaks is that he’s a bad parody of a comical Don King parody!
Should have included some links to the full debate and the audience polling results.
The video misrepresents the audience poll. The question the audience was asked was, "Be it resolved, what you call political correctness, I call progress". Before the debate, 36% agreed with the statement and 61% disagreed. After the debate, 30% agreed and 70% disagreed. So, they started with a strong majority in Stephen Fry's camp, and the debate moved another 9% into Stephen Fry's side (from 61% to 70%).
Kudos. "My words exactly" won't cut it because you've kicked it up a notch. No smart-assery, no emotional mumbo-jumbo. Straight to the core. Stay healthy, because the world needs You. Cheers!
I like your channel a lot, man
You're a good man Warren. Rational human beings support you
Just come across your channel, excellent content brother. You’re a very impressive young man.
I watched that debate when it first aired and was utterly fascinated and enthralled by that debate.
In my experience, most young people are 1 dimensional and are unwilling to entertain any view that disagrees with their own or their tribes.
excellent analysis. I'm reminded of reading Sowell for the first time. Your ability to emotionally detach is the model of the new Enlightenment. Thanks.
I wish Hitch was around to Hitchslap Dyson.