Is it too late for Halo Infinite?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Is it too late for Halo Infinite? Season 5 is here and I'll give my honest thoughts!
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There's a lot to love about what season 5 has brought forward. We're starting to see the result of 343's new leadership. Cross core helmets alone is huge, and deserves recognition. 343 has started adding more weapon variants to the non starter UNSC weapons like the Bulldog and Sniper, leaving room for the possibility of the updated high def versions of the legacy weapons coming to Infinite. The core aesthetic of the Flood in season 5 is very respectful to their original design language. There's a real shot for 343 to turn the game around.
Admittedly I'm more concerned about the artistic direction of the game, the original games, and even the remasters are near perfection from a artistic standpoint, but that shouldn't be at the expense of the quality of the game and the quantity of content. Fortunately even prior to season 5, 343 was already taking massive strides in terms of content, like new maps, playlists etc. Being a Halo fan seems like Stockholm Syndrome at times, but I genuinely think the game is entering a new era. Discover Hopium bros.
Season 5s a good step in the right direction but they absolutely do not deserve praise for cross core helmets when we have known they couldve released all of cross core or at least the more important parts altogether for a while now. I think praising them for cross core helmets is just telling them they can keep drip feeding cross core to us until we finally have full cross core.
One of the problems with live service is that over the time of the live service the artstyle is thrown out for more bright and colorful eye candy that people would want to buy to stand out.
Its like with call of duty. MW22 started out as a realistic mil sim and slowly but surely you start to get nikki manja and snoop dog on the warzone with laser weapons.
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778hmmm, that's true, look at tf2, once had a cartoony 1968 artstyle with all its cosmetics, and now that's been thrown out the window, but it is what it is I suppose.
Even then, we don't know the specific reasoning for why it didn't happen sooner. For all we know it could have been a direct result of the prior lackluster management. It could have been done from the start, which would be the better outcome, but it really does come down to the types of people in leadership positions at a studio.
@@NateTheGreat368
How many times are we going to go down this road though, seriously. I'm pretty sure the amount of people who have said "maybe this is where things turn around" is on par with the amount of spartans that have been bucketed by Halo 2 jackal snipers. 343i has proven at every given opportunity that they are merely doing the bare minimum to not lose the IP completely. People say Microsoft should step in but who the hell do you think made the work culture that promotes this sort of dev cycle? They are stringing all of you along with the hope you might get a new Bungie era Halo one day. One day it will be better, one day we'll get a game with everything that a gave from 2007 had at launch. Wake the hell up already and leave these toxic parasites and go find greener pastures. It's sad to watch the copium happen over and over again and it's not healthy for your own wellbeing.
i still have hope for this game, i'd hate to see the franchise die with how beloved it is
The true spirit of Halo, and all that it stands for will never die, as long as us fans can still give breath
Kurt: Die don’t you know SPARTANS NEVER DIE!!!
I feel the same sentiments but, idk 343 just nose dived so hard on halo.
@@howardthomas6174true, but they can turn it around
@@EL1TEHD1 and they are turning it around with the new management
Bruh they killed it, can you bring back dead family? NO! You are being lied to.
With how the new management is doing, I’m like “where were you guys when 343i just started!?”
Like can you imagine where 343i would be now if the people right now were present back then?
Ikr like damn but I’m glad it has better people now
Funny enough, it all started to change when Mircosoft went in and literally purged 343 due to the earlier period of Halo Infinite.
It’s like the Halo version of Battlefront 2.
Like 2022 was when I almost lost interest in the Halo franchise. But this year, it’s slowly coming back.
Amazing how purging the old dogs (frank, kiki, and bonnie) literally made 343 go into the right direction immediately. *snap* just like that
I've truly enjoyed Infinite the last few weeks. That last tenrai event was amazing
You are easy to please
@@bigfootwalker5399 not as easy as your mother.
@@bigfootwalker5399and that’s a bad thing? I don’t know about you, but I play games for fun. And I’ve been having fun with infinite as of late
@@wolfman8838 your attempt at an insult was so pathetic I'm laughing 🤣
@@bigfootwalker5399I mean he did ratio you…
I was around when Star Wars Battlefront 2 came out and witnessed the backlash it recieved but also the redemption and comeback it made the only thing that killed it was EA abandoning it, if 343 stick to what they’re doing now and make consistent updates to the game and content even if it feels it should’ve been here in the first place the game can truly be saved
I completely agree and I have the exact same thoughts. Would love this game to make a comeback Ike battlefront 2 and for 343 to really stick with it as this has a lot of potential!
I've said since the beginning: all you have to do is look at Halo 5. It was an inferior product to Infinite in a lot of ways and was initially received much worse, yet they still continued to support and add stuff to that game for years, and it continued to have an active community despite being exclusive to the XB1. There was absolutely ZERO chance they were going to "abandon" Halo Infinite or that the game would "die" like our current outrage culture predicted / wanted. That's why I was never worried or became a doomer about it, the game will continue to get better and better as the years pass. Was it a disappointment at release? To some. Was it missing a lot of core features? Certainly. Did it take over the gaming world? No, but who fucking cares. As long as the game gets new content and has a community large enough to sustain short matchmaking times it really doesn't matter.
Except EA of all companies backtracked on the microtransactions. 343 would never do that
No, it definitively can NOT be "saved."
It will improve in quality for those of us still playing it. The game fucking died. It flopped. It lost. It was dead on arrival.
That damage is done, is not reversible, and is not going to change. The sooner you types accept that, like those fans that actually pushed 343 to improve and change instead of swallowing all their bullshit and clapping a "#weback" on their posts for a whole fucking summer of deceptive marketing did, the sooner we can all continue to actually improve this franchise.
This tone-deaf shit about "saving" the game is bullshit. It's OVER.
It's BEEN over.
Jesus FUCK
Battlefront 2 didn't have a comback. None of these games had a comeback. They amounted to *much less* than they would, could, and should have been at launch.
Gen Z is literally conditioned to think that slap-dash and haphazard removals of predatory slot machine mechanics and the return of 5% of the playerbase is a game being "saved."
No. That is abject fucking disaster, from top to bottom. Nobody came back to that game en masse. You don't get second chances to make first impressions.
Halo is dead until and unless we get several years of good-faith actions, PR, and another title that launches 8x more feature complete and polished than the previous several Halo titles a few years after the sour taste Halo left in everyone's mouths has gone away, it'll stay dead.
The damage was done.
The outook is not good, just because they let you swap helmets, and added a few basic playlists that were in the goddamn game 20 years ago.@@john.michael01
If they really start promoting the game more, they could for sure turn the ship around for good! we need a relaunch!
No. No. No. No. No. No. No. NO.
This fanbase produces terrible ideas like a fucking MACHINE
I highly recommend taking the time to play some custom matches. The games that the community comes up with along with getting match XP for every game is pretty awesome
1st day of Season 5 was an incredible launch. It really felt like a relaunch of the game. People already having forge AI firefight in customs was super awesome to see.
Season 6 add Invasion from Halo Reach and reintroduce playable and customizable elites. Could work with the story too with the Elites vs Banished story going on.
Season 6 should be interesting. Season 5 is the launch of the game. Everything now is new
These goal post changes have got to stop. No one cares about these. It's a waste of dev time. They need to fix the actual game finally instead of padding insecurities of people obsessed over niche things from a game that released 13+ years ago.
@@anonymous7564 You mean the features that have existed in all halo games from 2 to Reach, which 343 ripped out in 4 and treated like niche things, thus making people like you talk this way about them? Damn you people really don't get it do you.
one miracle at a time
My main issue with infinite is genuinely the desync. There’s nothing more frustrating than getting “bAcK sLaPpEd” when you’re looking right at your enemy, or getting merked with one BR burst when you weren’t even exposed.
This just solidified how bad management was back then. New management is so amazing
I haven’t touched the game since May of 2022, and this latest season has intrigued me to come back to the game. I’ve been enjoying the cross-core helmets and all the new maps
The game is in the state it should have been at launch. Hopped on today and played a few matches of squad battle. Can confirm the gameplay is rock solid and fun.
Map quality has shot up. The maps from Season 4 and 5 play so much better than the maps the game launched with. Having map variety in the playlists using community content is great as well.
Yeah one of the arena maps even has interactive blamite spikes you can shoot to explode, it's awesome
yeah with pit falls and holes in it like swiss cheese aRE you BLIND?!
@@BlackMoonHowls That is pretty standard in Halo and honestly if you are falling in the holes a lot you just need to be more careful about where you are going. The new maps are far more true to Halo DNA then the call of duty rip offs the game launched with
@@BlackMoonHowlsskill issue
It is too late unless they deliver a decent story expansion. The past decade has been ripe dogwater because the original executive management at 343i were more interested in personal glory, name branding, and making a cash-cow live service than a video game. In my opinion, the books and comics of the past decade should have been games, and vice versa. The comic how Buck became a Spartan would have been a phenomenal storyline for a hypothetical ODST 2. I'm glad the original executives have been given the boot.
I could go on in that regard, but I think the point is served. Sure compartively speaking season 5 is a significant improvement, but I'd like to point out how low the bar is if we're praising 343i for introducing basic customization features and game modes which have been standard across most the franchise. Take it from a marketing student, Season 5 is still mostly a shop and battlepass update, I'll give them the additions to forge, but that's mostly it.
I think the ActMan had a great point in his last halo infinite video. If you’re boycotting infinite/343 because of how it launched/343’s previous mistakes, you’re boycotting the people trying to fix Halo. The management, senior management, and 343 leaders that got us in this mess are gone, it’s new people even in the upper levels who are trying to make a good game
I just really, really want more story. I want more the Weapon and Master Chief faster-daughter roadtrips
While the overall story of Halo hasn’t been good recently, I do think the inter character relationships that exist are good. The plot points just aren’t
A Arbiter campaign is long overdue, I know Halo 2 had a harsh reaction but over the years it’s argued the Arbiter is indeed Master Chief’s equal.
I just want a coherent story with the flood. What we got was a bunch of teasing.
@@dogwoodhillbilly I figured Infinite is never doing a DLC campaign, after all Halo is in the process of using the unreal engine with a different studio.
I really liked Halo 5 and Halo 4's campaign tbh. Infinite is just a bit underwhelming.
@@lambda3925 i liked the campaigns too - they just felt too disconnected, ya know? Halo one flowed into halo 2, teo and 3 were like 1 campaign, but 4 to 5 feel disjointed, and between 5 and infinity is just… weird
I mean Forge AI for many people is "the big feature". For many this has been something we have been dreaming about since forge came out in Halo 3. I think you have to give them a lot of credit they went ahead and did that while also improving many other aspects of the game. It is late, but you know we are here now and I think if they keep up with the 3 month schedule they will have big spikes in player counts. The last HCS world championship actually had more viewers than any other Infinite esport event so far, so the interest is definitely there.
The big feature that only had less than 1% of people caring about or using yesterday lol.
The big feature was the Bandit Evo and the final inclusion of a Ranked Slayer playlist with Halo settings. This is why Ranked Slayer and Arena had concurrent player counts reaching ~45,000 alone, out of the ~60,000 players. With the rest scattered between other playlists, menu's, and "still in their 25 social playlist requirement before playing ranked".
FYI these aren't made up metrics. This is pulled directly from the public API. The most played playlists by a hefty margin in Ranked Arena and Ranked Slayer, with the exception being new accounts or returning accounts that didn't play 25 matches of social.
@@anonymous7564 I don't think it makes sense to argue what "the big feature" is truly. The halo community is pretty diverse and sure a part cares about ranked more than anything else, but others not so much. And the forge community per se is not the biggest, but the people profiting off of it are many. Just look at all the forge maps that are integrated now. You can be sure that many people will try out the new Firefight Playlist when it drops. In addition to that sure there are firefight maps to be played already, but we will get much more in the next weeks and month and by that time it will be something that could pull more numbers. Ranked changes just drop, but with a feature like forge AI you need some time.
@anonymous7564 most people are not forgers. Most, like me, are very excited waiting to see what forge games will be made using the AI.
That being said, having to wait for custom games is not going to bring a lot of people back, IMO. It's not like people who left Halo are going to come bavk to check what custom games have been made.
@@bad_covfefe Exactly, thats why 343 should implement more than just one FF Playlist. Maybe a classic FF and one with KoTH Firefight.
@@bad_covfefe Correction: Most players do not play in forge created maps unless it's matchmaking, and most players would care so little about aspects of non-competitive FPS that they would rather uninstall the game than play that. The query from this morning showed over 75% of the custom games last night were using current Arena settings. Consider how mind blowingly crazy it is to assume less than 25%, of a 15% total players, "are most people".
Fractionally, a niche. The Halo Community, in the regard of "this stance", is full of people who have no idea they're a niche, not the majority.
Infinite is unrecognizable in the best way
it's amazing seeing fans enjoy halo again, 343 taking the right direction and getting deserved praise for it, they have been doing a good job wiyh season 4 and 5, changing the battlepass is a great step for it's journey of a live service game. Things change, it's not 2007, this isn't bungie....even they have fallen to time, but i think the live service in infinite is getting pretty good, it lets you keep previous battlepasses too, which no other game seems to do.
I can recognize the fact things change over time. But it doesn't excuse the fact that the consumers and higher ups lower expectations of new games just so it conforms to modern standards to which some of them don't make logical or practical sense.
So no, the halo franchise doesn't deserve to being treated like another fortnite or PUBG. Halo should've been it's own unique identity and has plenty of fans to cater to, it doesn't need to please everybody else's expectations that are otherwise potentially irrelevant or non-realistic to the halo franchise.
Glad to see halo infinite is finally out of alpha hoping the beta goes well
That’s because 343i has new people and the head of 343i is the same guy who got MCC fixed in 2018.
it literally has more content than any game in the series.
@bobdylan1968 it's still missing key features so you're wrong. Can't play couch co-op with your family. There's shit loads more content vs launch though
@@ooblah10 there's more content and features than any halo game ever this season lol. There's more maps, more modes, better forge, forge ai, more and better free customization that adds up to more than all of bungies halos combined and then some.
What "feature" is it missing?? It DOES have split screen. Just only split screen multiplayer. You can play customs and infection and all that shit.
You can also play EIGHT player campaign. 8.
So no, halo infinite has tons and tons of features other halos just don't or certainly didn't launch with.
@@bobdylan1968 Flexing split screen multiplayer like that's the same as co-op is silly. The customisation is locked behind paywalls, there's 1 earnable cosmetic that can't be purchased and that was introduced today. Halo Reach's customisation is still way better. It's free to play but no one wanted Halo to be live service and sell out for goofy cosmetics.
There's not more modes. Season 4 and 5 have been steps in the right direction though.
They have so many employees at 343 and it makes you wonder what are they doing?
Two maps and a game mode that a modded could have made solo in a month given some dedication, really…………
I was waiting for this video, because I've notoriously shat all over this game in the comments since its inception. That being said: I kinda think it is too little, too late. Let me explain with a laundry list of problems, but first, I'll give flowers where they are due.
FIrst off, map selection. It's vastly improved. Variety has skyrocketed, and that makes the replayability that much more intriguing. Sure, it feels like a lot of the maps were community made and 343 couldn't be bothered, but with the new forge tools, it's hardly noticeable. Besides, HALO 5 was sort of the testing grounds for community made maps, so forgers were ready the instant it FINALLY dropped in Infinite. Still, wish THERE WERENT SO MANY MAPS WITH FKN HOLES IN THE MIDDLE OF THEM, but hey. Variety's better. Baby steps.
Secondly, customization is instantly better with the ability to swap helmets on cores. I started the day with an Anubis helmet on the Chimera core, and man... The Anubis helmet just looks too small on the MK7, but on the Chimera it looks like a little ninja. The game let me use the all white color with teal highlights normally reserved for MK7 eartlier in the day, but after I rebooted the game it was locked again. Sucks, as the visor-matched Chimera armor pieces on the all white body looked very Storm Shawdow-y. Hopefully they'll get that cleaned up next, as that'd go miles in my opinion. WIsh Id taken some screenshots. Just the helmet availability across all cores has me checking to see if anyone's come up with some cool designs for the armor, instead of the same ol' predictable intros/outros. Alright, that's kinda where I gotta stop the niceties, as there's some glaring problems that I believe will be the downfall of Infinite.
Okay, the bad:
- - Matchmaking. I see a ton of HALO apologists hemming and hawing about how this is the greatest update ever for Infinite, but you have to remind yourself: The bar really isn't that high. In almost every game I play, someone drops out. Sometimes two. Many times, I get stuck in matches trying to carry the most basic noobs while getting absolutely steamrolled by 4 friends. My first 3 games today, I was absolutely destroyed. Not for lack of trying, but when you have 2-3 players constantly looking for you because your teammates are picking their noses, it just isn't very fun. Is it the low player count? I doubt it. I'd gladly wait a little longer for more balanced matches, because this system is absolutely ass.
- - Weapon pool- Everything is a sniper. The amount of long range weapons in this game is out of control. It's just too much to have a tactical, fun match because you're constantly taking damage before you can even get to a 1v1.
- The plasma pistol is almost useless, as its main strength was taken out of the game. How many times have you been in a BTB and can't find someone to take down the Wasp or slow down a rampaging Wraith? I guess what I'm getting at with all of this is that there simply isn't any balance in the weapon pool.
- The slow hammer and "hammer Vs swords" encounters are just wonky. The range is sketchy and ridiculous, as you're wondering why it works once in awhile, but there's no tactile satisfaction to getting a perfect hammer or sword kill. a lot of that I would attribute to my number one problem with this game, since Day One:
- - Player collision. Missed melees. Missed hammers. Missed swords lunges. This was never a thing in HALO, until now. You can do a perfect tango to line up a sword swipe on someone, and they'll just run right through you. You can get someone down to one shot, elbow THROUGH THEIR SKULL, and suddenly you're back-smacked. I refuse to play Infection, and I used to LOVE Infection. Look, I hit 152 in HALO 5. I'm not exactly terrible. I'm not great, but I know what works. The consistency and lack of satisfaction on the melee part of the game probably explains why everyone is hiding across the map with a sniper in the first place. I absolutely HATEHATEHATE this part of the game, as it was one of the core tenets of what made the original HALOs so much fun. Feeling that *THWOMP* in your controller to let you know you hit someone just felt right. Not anymore. Not even close. Did I mention I hate the slow hammer? Grifball is gonna suuuuuck.
Vehicles- Shoulda kept it simple. It's too difficult to combat them without taking collective casualties on your team. One dude with rockets still isn't enough. Ever thought you'd hear that in a HALO game?
Overall, yeah. It's getting better. I still dabble for a few matches before shoddy matchmaking, falling through map holes, and missed melees make me throw in the towel. But the bar is still low. SUPER low. We're how far into this, and we're juuuust getting Firefight? I may be a jaded old timer, but you can't deny the old Sarah Palin quote: If you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig".
Great vid, Ecks. Keep em comin'.
About the plasma pistol and your problem with banshees/wasp.
Bro, it’s easier than ever to take down those two vehicles, they are made of paper, almost half of the weapons in the game can take them down: the shock rifle can EMP them, the disruptor can EMP them, the sniper rifle takes them down in 3-4 shots, the hydra exist, the rocket Launcher, yeah, you have many weapons at your disposal to take them down.
About matchmaking sometimes it’s just bad luck when you have bad teammates, mainly if you play solo, cause many many people tends to play with friends so they have more communication.
I miss player collision too.
Halo Infinite is by far the most fun I’ve had playing a shooter recently with these past two seasons. Feels like practically new content and great forge maps added to playlists every week or two along with a number of events with cool unlocks. Forge firefight will absolutely be a game changer. It’s been steadily increasing population for a year or so now but it would be great to get a big lift in the player base so they can accomplish even more with the game.
It’s never too late for a game to get good
Tbh the only way to get people back is getting the campaign and cut scene back up mainly the campaign that's the one thing that gets halo fans to mainly buy the game we've waited multiple years for a good campaign and multi-player not a battle pass game
Steam charts Halo infinite 6hrs ago was at 13,856 players.
I don't think it's too late for Halo Infinite. I never thought it was because it has potential to be one of the best Halo games ever.
For example if 343 add playable Elites right now, invasion would be the best gamemode EVER in the Halo franchise.
*[WHY]* --> Because with the added addition of Forgeable AI you can finally have a Covenant/Banish vs UNSC basically you can make a Halo version of Star Wars Battlefront in Halo. Heck machinima could make a comeback.
There's has been alot of people who argue against playable elites one of the dumbest arguments is, *"not that many people played as an Elite"*
*(1)* Obviously. Unlike Spartans Elite cosmetics back in Halo 3 wasn't that great, and customization wasn't fun for the Elites in Halo Reach unlike the Spartans.
*(2)* Both Halo 3 and Reach Elites had a bigger hit box because they were chunky, with Reach making it worse by making the Elite taller. So you became an easier target to hit.
*(3)* Most gamemodes in the OG days didn't allow you to play as an Elite and most people made maps in Forge designed for Spartan players ignoring the Elites.
On MCC people argued that invasion is the least played gamemode, which that is a lie because when I went on custom games 6months ago, the majority of gamemodes was for Halo Reach was Invasion. So why were dozens of players playing that?
Because it was modded and scripted recreating Halo 2 missions and what not.
Elites need to be added into Halo Infinite and playable.
So Halo infinite isn't dead, it has the best PVP gameplay in the franchise other than Halo 3.
I really wish they would add a few more vehicles *[ Mantis, Locust, Grunt Goblin, Vulture, Falcon, drivable Pelican & Phantom, cobra, another Banish vehicle that I forgot.]*
Weapons: *[ SMG, spike, plasma rifle, NEEDLER or Carbine, SAW, Flamethrower, cluster launcher from Halo Reach, Fuel Rod, pump shotgun, and more Forrunner weapons.]*
I don't mind the weapon variants Halo infinite has of already existing weapons, but I rather have weapons from the previous games added into Halo Infinite with vehicles meant for Heavy BTB added.
why do you use steam charts if everyone plays on xbox? almost nobody uses steam for halo infinite
@@flyingdoggo9887 Because there's a playerbase on steam as well. Steam Halo Infinite was lower then MCC on steam sometimes 1,000 lower. But for it to increase from 2,069 and 3,809 to 13,856 to 20,000+ is impressive in its self.
All they need is new weapons from past games and new weapons in general. In addition to new vehicles and campaign dlc to expand the open world.
@logangoulet7522 they need it. I literally concept wrote how it could work and rebuild the UNSC and get some reinforcements.
Short answer; no it’s not
XP works by in game score… if you get 6,000XP in a match you get 6,000XP towards career progression
Really doesn’t take that long to rank up. I played a lot ,over 2900 games season 4 when the progression dropped and I’m onyx master sergeant already. I hit onyx 2 months into the progression dropping. Their are already like 22 people who hit max on rank. It’s came out in June. So 2-6 months for people that play a lot and 7-12 for people who don’t play as much. If you get 2000 score a game it’s like 4800 matches. You can take your time or you can grind it’s totally up to the player. Btb also gives 1.8x more xp each match so your score gets multiplied. 16 playlists 50+ maps multiplayer is mad fun. Playing with friends and linking up with other halo homies is a blast.
@@THExOGxMAMBAYeah it’s not hard to level up at all if you’re actually decent at the game.
Playing husky raid gets you a good 4/5k XP a match if you’re half decent.
Progression is a piece of cake & rewards you for your effort
I had a great time playing today. I hope this upward trend continues.
After months of waiting. Another eckhartsladder halo video 🙏🙏
I played for the first time in 2 years and couldn’t stop. I had to force myself to get off because i have an exam😭
Literally in the same situation lmao
from what i saw halo world championship this past weekend did really well and the new season seems really exciting
HCS Worlds venue was fully sold out and it reached the highest viewership record since launch (around 150k+ viewers compared to launch 200k+)
@@malif1279 yea i watched through OpTic Scumps watchparty and i’ve watched every one he’s done and since then i’ve turned into more of a halo fan than cod even tho i’ve only played a few halo campaigns and no multiplayer until recently
All the terrible decisions and broken promises were made by people who are no longer at 343. In many ways, the 343 developing Halo Infinite right now isn’t the same company that launched the game. I love Halo and I’m so happy to see the game doing so well. I have faith that it will get a lot of players back and that they’ll stick around. Because we’re not just seeing all the features missing from launch, we’re finally seeing features we’ve been asking for for 15 years. Forge AI is going to be HUGE.
Unfortunately I still haven’t seen a reason to get back into it. It remains the only FPS halo title since 3 that I haven’t purchased. Maybe if it goes on a heavy discount through a retailer like G2A I might buy it.
The multiplayer's free btw
It's free tho
I can really tell that you watch a lot of anti halo videos. It's free to play, weirdo
my biggest problem is how every multiplayer game right now is "skill based" matchmaking. It feels like the game rather than you always compete against similar mmr you have games where you are meant to win, 50-50, then definite loss. It makes matchmaking boring
My enthusiasm for Season 5 was ruined by no Firefight until later. I am sick of strict SBMM/EOMM in modern FPS games. Other than some achievements, especially campaign, and Max Rank, there isn't much left to do right now. Cross core is meaningless to me because I like sticking with the established aesthetic of each armor core. Any enthusiasm I would've had for Mark V was destroyed by it being a store exclusive on November 7th. I am also tired of the FOMO of Weekly Capstone rewards and stuff never being available like the Yoroi wrist from Season 1 and the rest of the Solarian Legend Weapon Coatings from Season 4. Custom Games and Forge haven't done very much for me, because I don't know anyone who plays Halo and I was waiting for AI in Forge before I tried to do something.
MCC is great, but I don't know anyone who plays Halo, making Coop and Custom Games useless to me. Competitive/Ranked appears to be dead, making some of the PvP Challenges useless. I have the last three Series left, plus the random rotation of stuff that is impossible to obtain, and eventually Max Rank, but other than PvE Challenges on an inconsistent basis, I am struggling to make progress.
Another thing I'm waiting for is possibly like a two-part DLC for *Halo: Infinite.*
I myself have been waiting patiently for 343i to change their minds and second handedly think about campaign DLCs in the future for the game. If it happens, I'll be a huge happy camper.
same, i play Halo for the campaigns and coop
I am honestly really enjoying infinite. In my opinion its currently my favorite modern FPS shooter. Love the features in forge, really enjoyed all of the maps and the variety of modes. Season 5 definitely is a big step in the right direction and I am pretty hopeful of this game’s future. Hope they continue at this pace and that the game draws in more players outside of the core fandom
Its never too late for these live service games. They can turn this around, slowly, but surely.
It's a shame that they lost the launch momentum tho. 343 has to stop doing that with every single Halo entry that they release...
Halo Infinite is fun.
It doesn’t quite have the same magnetism as, say, Team Fortress 2, but it’s very enjoyable.
I wish Reach style color customization would come back. It’s so much better than the paint _sets._
This game definitely needed more time in the oven. At least, another year or two of more development. Also the devs needed more concise and stronger leadership helming the project. I’m glad to see that 343 has turned things around for the most part, but a lot of damage has been done. I don’t know if the community will forgive the launch for Infinite.
I was really enjoying halo infinite the past few weeks but the sbmm seems to have gone crazy after season 5 dropped. Every match is a tournament game now. Nice while it lasted I guess 😢
To me it's not a big deal negatively speaking to playing with a group of friends casually on halo infinite. But I don't see myself investing more time playing it solo since there isn't really a good progression in that game that has unique challenges that halo 3 or reach had in the past for example.
i would like it if challenges and the Battle Pass XP boosts actually contributed to your career XP as well. Would help a long ways to grinding to Hero rank.
It would make the grind too easy.
The grind is less than any of the previous halo games. It's plenty fast as is.
Still a grind either way. Might as well make it easier. Usually have like 80 to 90 of these suckers and already maxed out the Battle Pass. Might as well make them useful.
I honestly don’t think so. If they pace themselves and do well, we may see another Battlefront 2 scenario. Games basically dead at launch, but is a powerhouse by the end
Not sure where this "too late" comes from. Been enjoying Halo Infinite since launch
Halo fans love doom & gloom more than actually playing the ganes
I believe it's about the game getting bigger in popularity instead of floating in the mid to late 20s on Xbox most played
You and 5 other people
@montypython5521 funny joke, there's way more than 5 people but I get what you're trying to say and you probably got a few laughs. Doesn't change my statement.
My guy didn't even cover the crazy potential of what you can do with AI in forge now 💀 it's really insane the things you can make now.
It’s been a great update, but usually you want to come out swinging, and the fact their big new mode isn’t playable (unless you sit for hours in Quick Play or Ranked) is laughable. It’s not even in the 24/7 playlist for the new maps. So I feel like that influx of players isn’t going to last long.
Content is there, thats isn't the issue though. Gameplay has done nothing but deteriorate over time and you can have all the cool armor customisation or gamemodes you want, but if you get hit with the desync or no shot registration you're gonna want to stop playing eventually.
The best stance is do not forget what 343 did to Halo under the leadership of Bonnie, Frank, and Kiki. But also recognize that the team we have now is not to blame for what came before.
The stupidity of saying something like "is it too late". By this logic, Halo should have ended in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2016. No. The problem is Halo was never a social-casual game at it's popularity peaks. Halo's turning point will be adapting it's primary underlining focus back at it's core: Being a ranked matchmaking game. Getting to this point will take 343 some time, but it's so far been a journey with the data they need.
There's absolutely zero excuse for why no other "added playlist" had any increase in players, where the vast majority -- the overwhelming of returning players, only touched Ranked Arena and Ranked Slayer after their 25 games. The writing is on the wall: Halo will never, ever, be popularized as a non-competitive "social casual party game".
But it had always been popularized as a competitive ranked matchmaking game, all the way since 2004. Gatekeeping this for so long, and getting 343 to spend 2 years "delaying content" in order to get useless stuff in is literally crazy when only 1% of the population even touched it. I can't wait to hear "Look at all the amazing forge creations with AI" and them have less than 5,000 total downloads in their life, like the custom maps do. Because that's not a popular area.
*Is it "too late" for Halo Infinite?*
- To be a "social casual party experience"? Yes, by about 20 years now.
- To be a Ranked Matchmaking success and bring hundreds of thousands to millions to enjoy progression based on their skill? Not by a long shot.
There's a long way to go before Halo Infinite is on the track to success, but the first was getting that nonsense "out of the way" so the Halo Community full of gatekeepers and goal post shifters have nowhere to go with their goal post.
The next steps for 343 are to start focusing on the core experience (Ranked), rather than the "social" experience (Non-Halo, defined by CE - 3, gameplay).
Never stopped playing this is getting better and better 😬loving the game.
Its still really hit or miss. Its never been consistent and that still hasnt changed.
I can't forgive how shameless they've been with the multiplayer and not fixing issues.
custom game xp is huge! played some firefight yesterday and had a blast
All I know is that Season 5 got my Girlfriend (who has not played since a few weeks after launch and has instead stuck to playing Firefight on MCC) to *ask* me to play Infinite with her. Not just once either, she has asked to to play a few rounds of Firefight and play a campaign mission or two with her every night since Season 5 launched. She absolutely loves it.
Side note: I have been grinding Battlepasses, Events and Weekly Challenges on both her account and mine since launch, she was absolutely ecstatic to see how many pieces of armor and other customization bits she had to play around with. It was really adorable.
Nah infinite is at its best right now its crazy how good it is, steam player count is still pretty low (albeit rising) but the xbox playerbase is super populated rn and with crossplay its a non issue
Too bad it's still riddled with connection issues that no one wants to talk about.
If battlefront 2 can make a comeback then it's definitely not too late
I enjoy halo infinite a lot now. It truly now is infinite with the amount of potential in AI forge
Yea, I got back into playing Infinite with people about 2 weeks ago. I stopped playing originally because I fall into the category of people that likes the idea of halo more than playing it...I'm bad at shooters, and never had the time to invest in getting better at it. But I love Halo worldbuilding and the weapons/vehicles are cool even if I'm bad with them. So it was always a game to play with friends...until they got sick of it initially. Lately though it has just been something else to play and get back into to mix things up without having to spend money or anything. I've burned out on the FOMO aspect of most games at this point, so it's easier for me to enjoy these games without feeling compelled to earn all the stuff before it goes away. I still strongly dislike earn-it-or-miss-out systems in live services, but by now I just ignore them. That said, getting back into this game without many friends joining me is rough, so I don't know how long it'll last before I get tired of losing a lot.
Halo has always been sweaty but for me it's a good type of competitive. There is cheesy bs sometimes but losing a lot is at least due to a team not coordinating well, getting power weapons etc. The background strategy is so immense. You can pinpoint why you lost in Halo and slowly improve from it and that's why I like it. In COD for example it's just cheesy bullshit that you have no real control over and you have to use the meta.
People been saying "too little, too late." Since before beta. They'll never admit anything good about a 343 halo.
Been playing since the open beta and still haven't given up on it.
The game died the moment that the publishers decided not to release any story content at all.
This^ 🫡☠️
@logangoulet7522 We were not lucky to get a short, mediocre campaign and several low effort pvp seasons. Infinite is not a bad game but it is far from great, and far from deserving fanaticism.
Why would you want modern game writers to influence the Halo lore? Lack of story content is a small price to pay to keep it out of their hands.
It would be a first for the franchise so I'm not sure how that killed the game
7:28 your thoughts on Halo 5's new season eh? I didn't even know Halo 5 was still getting new content lol.
On a real note I've been feeling pretty much the exact same about Infinite the last 2 years. Aside from forge. I freaking love forging maps when I'm bored
At this point removing armor cores as a mechanic would be the best thing they can do. Just make it another slot for "base appearance" and give you a selection.
Halo Infinite needs a true ongoing PvE experience to be relevant anymore. PvP doesn't interest as many players as it used to. So seeing PvP get expanded on again and again, with no emphasis whatsoever on PvE has been difficult.
However that's finally changing. Later this season we are getting Firefight as a Matchmaking experience. And hopefully we will see more PvE experiences appear in the future.
As far as how to actually get people to check Halo out again. An actual Campaign expansion is the best way to do that. Bundle it in with a big seasonal update to bring people into the game, they come to check out the campaign, decide to see how multiplayer is doing, and hopefully get hooked.
The fact you are talking about it makes me think no
This season is such a Huge W I love it
Everything
I haven't played it, but I dislike where the story is going.
The main part that I hate;
The Infinity was pretty much destroyed and once again, humanity is on the backfoot again
I would say that most of the community myself included would like to say no its not too late but there is mahor ground and trust that will be hard to gain but season 5 is a great start.
Husky Raid is the most fun I’ve had in Halo since Halo 2 multiplayer.
I’m having a blast playing right now. I’m super excited for the future too
It isn’t too late. Such a great game man and I’ve picked back up on it
New content yay!!! No fix for desync boo!!! Altogether I'm hopeful.
Halo infinite is a blast fam, i have over 8000 games played and I can tell you it’s changed drastically since day 1.
First year of the game was under old leadership. (Not as fun and not enough content, literally like 4 playlist at launch) Second year of the game it’s been under new leadership aka Pierre hintze the guy who fixed Mcc and is still played today 9 years after release. Halo infinite has over 50 maps in multiplayer 16 different playlists. Customs games custom browser forge campaign. New season dropped literally yesterday. Coming soon firefight and more maps modes playlists ect. If you haven’t played in a while it’s well worth it to check it out now.
Halo infinite has been on fire since season 4
I dropped it after season 1, played it last night for the first time since. And it’s awesome. Noticeably better can’t wait to play more
The big draw of Halo has always been its single player, but 343 haven't lowered the price on the campaign ever, they're still charging full AAA price 2 years later. If you want more people to play your game don't give away an unfinished multiplayer mode for free and overcharge for the single player mode
The big draw has always been it's multiplayer, what are you on?!
I agree for most the multi player is what brings the most people in to Halo. However I agree that there is a contingent of us who are here for solo Halo, and Infinite was kinda mid in that regard. The open world was boring, and the story was overall pretty weak. But I love the lore and want more of it, and I want more Master Chief and Weapon. So I’ll be waiting until Halo 7 comes out patiently in the corner.
if that was true, infinite would have been a smash hit lol@@megaman37456
Kinda forgot about this game for a year, but coming back now it seems quite good. Not sure whether they can retain me with its current state though.
There’s a great game here. And if you ask me. The best modern shooter.
They gotta add a few more things. Like Playable elites and Griff Ball. Invasion And more legacy weapons. Like the Carbine, OG shotty, magnum.
Story prices could be a bit too pricey.
Flood AI would be a dream too.
Other than that it’s so close to being my dream Halo.
I mean AI in forge is just amazing.
Probably the smartest thing they've done is giving the community the tools to make good content. I really hope the next Halo game can launch like this, multiplayer wise. They'll gain back players for now at least, but having a bad launch and slim content spread out over two years certainly kneecapped the player base.
7:29 bro called the game halo 5 😂
1:11 Wanted to toss my hat in the ring here. Funnily enough I really like the core system it gives them options to make really unique customization. A great example is rakshasa that core's armor looks incredible and has armor that only fits that core! None the less I definitely see the reasonable frustration here.
Honestly I don't think halo infinite is going to get players back in a big way. That ship has already sailed at this point. Halo isn't what it once was when bungie was making the halo games. 343i would have a shot of making infinite an actual good game if it didn't have the live service nor the higher ups or average consumers that don't understand what makes a good halo game on how to make the most money the logical way in a effective way.
Looking forward to Firefight coming later in the season.
Husky Raid is my new favorite thing in this world
#huskyboysrise
I mean I’m glad we finally got cross core helmets but why are the bazillion helmets listen in one huge horizontally scrolling list? It makes it really hard to find certain helmets since they’re sorted by rarity not the core they belong too
This update has changed the game for me.
Cross core helmets, whilst being so small, has made customisation so much more personal. I am very happy to see cross core taking better steps.
Campaign AI and Firefight is a dream for me, all of my friends are PvE players, so I’ve been running Infinite solo at the best of times. They’re actually interested in returning after hearing about Firefight. All the other QoL changes are icing on the cake for me now.
There’s still work to be done, but seeing a player resurgence and consistent good updates is such a positive thing :)
Infinite has always had solid core gameplay mechanics even sense launch, there just wasnt enough to do with them, now there is. Infinite's forge is NUTS, by far the most powerful the series has ever seen and now with AI you can do stuff with it that before was only in the realm of mods, and its these tools in the hands of tyhe community have kept the game alive, and 343 knows this. There is a whole playlist of remade classic maps in sqaud battle, cuz they just play better than 343's maps, ESPCAILY with BTB, 343's BTB maps are really bad in terms of layout, in particular really hurting vehicle play. 343 making custom games give XP is also another move towards letting the community drive things, and I think thats best at this point. As for the mangler, halo is no stranger to OP weapons, the CE magnum, the battlerifle and sword in halo 2, the SAW in halo 4, and debatebly the BR in infinite, which is I think part of why they made the new DMR variant for ranked, the mangler isnt gonna ruin the game unless the spam it all over the map. Also the reason people lost thier shit over the challenges at launch was because they were the ONLY way to progress battle passes and some of them were way too fucking hard, but now that we have per match XP if we can get them to a similar level of the difficulty of the challegnes in MCC that would be ideal.
I dont think infinite is gonna be the giant Microsoft wants it to be, its too late for that, but I do think things are getting better and if 343 keeps the ball rolling infinite can have a healthly if nechie population among fans, like 10-20k players.
I know that they are trying to fix the game for the people that love PVP and I don’t think they have a big enough team to work on that and campaign DLC but I hope that it’s the next focus in the next update
Too late? We're barely two years into the 10 year plan. LOL!
As someone that mained Halo since the first... it is for too late for Infinite for me. I just don't care. Haven't for a while now sadly.
It is definitely going to take new campaign DLC or whatever big mode Certain Affinity is working on to draw most casuals back however this season is great for existing players and will hopefully stop the bleeding for now.
Apparently numbers have hit or even exceeded launch now, at least on Steam.
New Bandit seems to be basically the Halo: CE pistol.
Glad to see some of these things implemented, depressing it's taken so long because all of these points were brought up before it even released lol... I'm still waiting for it to be completed tbh.
Ya know, I love to see a positive step with Halo. But I seriously think the praise is way too generous….Let’s be honest here.
They’ve added a few new maps. Fantastic, but nothing new and almost expected really in a Halo title.
Helmets are now “cross-core”. I’m glad to see that, but it really just solves 20% of a problem that they intentionally created by locking customization to these stupid fucking “cores” in the first place. Just let people equip armor as they wish. Especially when you’re charging as much money in the Shop for armor cosmetics as the full price tag some games. Making helmets “cross-core” is an artificial fix to an artificial problem they literally created to nickel and dime you.
Bandit Evo. Again, glad to see it, but all you’ve done is just re-release the weapon in the state that it should have released with.
Forge getting AI- now that is a genuine W all the way around. Nothing but praise there. That’s actual content, and an actual evolution of the game.
I’m going to go back to yelling at clouds now, but I don’t think 343i has made enough changes/fixes to warrant the revival parade it’s receiving now
This game STILL has abysmal network issues (desync), terrible connectivity issues to custom games, a completely busted Theater mode, and obnoxiously restrictive customization 2 years after release…When these issues start getting fixed, I’ll hop back on the hype train for halos future. But these issues are 10000% what is keeping the popularity of this game in the dirt.
I haven't played since Halo 4, but if there has not been a Flood-based firefight mode by now, that is a REAL missed opportunity.
Halo is climbing back i finally got back on and i’ve been having a lot of fun, it’s reminding me a lot of halo 3 and reach
If they dont expand the weapon sandbox beyond precision weapons then yeah its too late
The one thing Microsoft does right is improve live-service games.
If they can turn Fallout 76 into a great game… they can definitely do it with Halo.
All we need now is Griffball and once we get Firefight the game will be complete lol
I would also like to see a remake of Avalanche
Weapons i would like them to add is the Carbine, Spartan Laser, Bruteshot, Spiker and Needle Rifle