@@EnterpriseKnight probably your 2060, losses scaling is not worth it if you are gpu limited, it gives worse performance (lower base fps) but gives you lots of bad ai frames so it looks bad.
I just downloaded & tested 50 games from game pass using a 7000 series AMD handheld. I don’t have a mobile intel chip device, but at 720p ALL 50 games ran 4x frame rate scaling with no fracturing & no graphical bugs. If you jump to 1080p not all games can achieve this, but almost every single game at 720 can do it. 4x frame gen takes game that is running at 30 fps+ natively & increases the frame rate to 120 fps+ this is the craziest tech in the history of gaming. Even if it could only deliver 80% of this performance to a Claw, it would still singehandedly save that handheld. You can officially fish it out of the dust bin if it’s in there.
Bought it yesterday and it's great for emulation since all the 30 fps limited games will run at 60. For me, setting the sync mode to vsync improved the input lag a little bit but in any case, the brain gets used to it and adapts.
@@koseidenai yeah, my bad, I put it back on default and used one of those rtss nvidia reflex guides to lower the latency. Edit: still, best 7 Euros I ever spent.
I tried LS on an old laptop from 2018 with a potato iGPU (intel UHD 630) running Skyrim SE. I had it running at 720p with all the settings as low as they could go, and it was shockingly very playable that way, but I wanted to see if LS could push it to a consistent 60+ FPS and maybe even allow a bit better settings. Unfortunately, LS itself has enough overhead that the game ran better without it. It's a very cool program, for sure, and I hope it will come in handy in other situations, but you can only push it so far. It was a fun little experiment anyway.
I got LS like a couple of months ago. Honestly, even 20€ would be completely worth it, I LOVE the app's frame generation: • I can play capped emulated console games at 60-120 FPS without (sometimes game-breaking) patches; _Gran Turismo 2_ has a 60 FPS patch made by Silent, but _Ridge Racer Type 4_ and _WipEout 3_ do not; adding LSFG on top of them is transformative. • Severely capped games (like _Transformers: War for Cybertron_ and _Need for Speed: Rivals,_ which by default are limited to 30 FPS) can be smoothed out up to 120 FPS; while the screen can get riddled with artifacts given higher multiplication and fast movement, it is *definitely* worth it over near-filmic framerates. • My laptop can run _Need for Speed_ 2016 at 2560×1600 at 100-200 FPS; I decided to cap it at 60 FPS (via NVIDIA control panel) then 4× with LSFG, the final framerate just won't drop below 220, and the graphical quality is marvelous. • It can also run games like _GRID 2_ at mostly steady native 240 FPS, however the 4070 Max-Q does run at its peak almost all of the time and abundant particle effects on screen can half the framerate (not that it is obvious to my eyes); with LSFG, the final framerate is far more stable and the computer isn't working as hard, which I hope extends the laptop's longevity. What I am not as convinced by is the app's rescaling: its variety of algorithms does give it quite a lot of use cases, but people really shouldn't expect an effectiveness reminiscent of DLSS; it shows that the native resolution is lower, but it's better than nothing.
PS: Also, it seems to work on anything that produces video; you can use it on RUclips, and it is funny to see it smooth out ×0'25 playback to the framerate of the original playback speed.
Valve needs to make this a native option in Steam OS's quick access menu. The $7 fee is miniscule but sadly will affect its mainstream appeal. If Valve can add this, it's yet another reason to switch to SteamOS on handheld PC's.
valve isn't the one that are making gaming on linux great... people are trying to implement it on Linux, they have made some progress but there still so much work to done. I really hope we will get it on 2025-2026
Maybe he is using it during the trip he mentioned in the last video? I don't know, man, it's a bit strange. It doesn't take long to record a voiceover, maybe it's just his voice with a different mic
@SilB it's pure laziness and it's what it is to expect from a lot of content creators in the future. He's probably even using chatgpt to draft a script for all this sponsored e waste too. I saw another channel I follow attempt this and everyone called them out on it. They essentially want to automate their content creation while sitting back, sipping Pina coladas on the beach. No thanks. At that point, you're nothing more than an NPC.
I just bought it for my Acer 17 2024 Laptop.... I am still in shock with the performance. I mean everyone, regardless of specs needs this. just stunning. Note: keeping the Frame Gen at 2X even if you aren't using an IGPU helps decrease latency alot it seems.
@@MrHamncheez Pll use this when they cant use other options as I understand it. Didnt work well on 30FPS locked on Towerborne as I hoped. Maybe the cpu didnt have enough overhead.
@@robertlawrence9000 I main a steamdeck, personally walking within a set tiny piece ain't representation of what that's going to chug like while playing
any idea to fix some episodes of screen blinking? i tried turning off the variable refresh rate and still persist. I tried factory reset and it's not fix the problem.😢
This is just 3.5 dollars in my country the only thing that will make it perfect is head glitching solve . In some games like Spiderman remastered i tested it for hours the charecter ghosting is very noticeable there. For other games ( i tested RDR2,Ghost of Tsushima, AC Odyssey) whole character ghosting was less noticeable but the head glitch was noticeable only when u move you mouse too fast playing with a controller will solve it or make it less noticeable. Bought cyberpunk today will test it soon
I have a lenovo legion laptop with an nvidia rtx 3060 6ghz and a 4.6ghz processor. Would lossless scaling help out with these specs? I'm kind of a noob with this stuff
I downgraded it from 2.11 to 2.10 because there is a slow motion when my character walked and its not there on 2.10 so ill wait for a update to fix this
Any advice on how to reduce artifacts during fast movement when using FG? I tried it with Hogwarts Legacy, thinking maybe if I capped the framerate to 30, it would give it enough frame-time to reduce the notorious stutters in that game, and then I could make up the difference with FG. It worked too, except that the visual artifacts introduced by FG when the camera was moving fast were even more distracting than the stutters.
u forgot to say that u MUST limit your fps to the half of your screen refresh ratio...example: for a 60hz monitor,limit your fps with rivatuner to 30) 2nd example: for 120hz monitor,limit your game fps to 60 with rivatuner..then with framegeneration it goes to 120frames...thank me later!
i think that additional fps are just mind conitioning you are getting high frames using lossless. i dont know if ally x has amd software just like legion go does but it does make my gaming stable and smooth. i get stable gaming and more battery life when i lauch games from amd software compared to launching games from desktop. i didnt get higher fps but it made 800p look like 1600p with stable fps of 65 to 75.
ill recommend less powerful machine to revert lossless scaling version to version legacy 2.1. The newest version takes up alot more resources even at 2x mode. legacy 2.1 takes almost 50% less resources.
AFMF, FSR, Lossless Scaling, I can not use any of these as there is too much input lag for my preference....Good technology for sure but not ready for the real gamers IMO....
I mean I use it religiously when connected to my 7900XTX in my razer core x chroma. My issue is trying to run fallout 76. I try to scale it, but even at 2x scale the picture is so washed out it's not even funny. Never ran into this with my Legion go... Been asking for help on reddit but to no avail. I run my claw the highest sku model with over boost on and Performance mode set in the software and it just doesn't look good. I know you loose some graphical fidelity but not that much.
Lossless is cool and all i have it dont get me wrong its good but its not that good sometimes you get problems with it not working on certain games I mean it's okay but if you use AMD settings and the in-game settings in the right way then you really wouldn't need lossless but one thing it's good for emulation that's it for me
@@Gladitor_EXE for real?? Thats good what what apps or whatever do you use to watch movies and stuff on your handheld PC? Cuz I was looking into doing that because I always watch movies and shows from apps that I have on my Android phone so that would be cool watching it don my Legion go
$7 is completely worth it
It's fantastic but I keep getting visual glitches on framegen. Not sure if it's my cpu or my aging 2060
@@EnterpriseKnight probably your 2060, losses scaling is not worth it if you are gpu limited, it gives worse performance (lower base fps) but gives you lots of bad ai frames so it looks bad.
@@0000kk mmmh, I guess I'll have to upgrade eventually. Anyway, just upscaling is still nice.
@@0000kk if you say its becuase of gpu its not, even with 1650 it give smoother gameplay in games that in a old pc it gives 60+
It's not just use fsr an no fake frames
Lossless Scaling is great if used correctly. The price for the app is definitely worth it. It helps a lot of games play better
I just downloaded & tested 50 games from game pass using a 7000 series AMD handheld. I don’t have a mobile intel chip device, but at 720p ALL 50 games ran 4x frame rate scaling with no fracturing & no graphical bugs. If you jump to 1080p not all games can achieve this, but almost every single game at 720 can do it. 4x frame gen takes game that is running at 30 fps+ natively & increases the frame rate to 120 fps+ this is the craziest tech in the history of gaming. Even if it could only deliver 80% of this performance to a Claw, it would still singehandedly save that handheld. You can officially fish it out of the dust bin if it’s in there.
Bought it yesterday and it's great for emulation since all the 30 fps limited games will run at 60. For me, setting the sync mode to vsync improved the input lag a little bit but in any case, the brain gets used to it and adapts.
Turning on v sync does quite the opposite
@@koseidenai yeah, my bad, I put it back on default and used one of those rtss nvidia reflex guides to lower the latency. Edit: still, best 7 Euros I ever spent.
frame generation is magic!
best for cozy games and emulator games
So we are in the era of "If you can't make it, fake it." It's quite poetic that it was started by Nvidia with DLSS. Reminds me of 3dfx back then ...
i tried it on my laptop with a game that did not have dlss. this works
I tried LS on an old laptop from 2018 with a potato iGPU (intel UHD 630) running Skyrim SE. I had it running at 720p with all the settings as low as they could go, and it was shockingly very playable that way, but I wanted to see if LS could push it to a consistent 60+ FPS and maybe even allow a bit better settings. Unfortunately, LS itself has enough overhead that the game ran better without it. It's a very cool program, for sure, and I hope it will come in handy in other situations, but you can only push it so far. It was a fun little experiment anyway.
Wish this would work on steam deck. I bought it to use on windows just to have a mess about with
I want the MSI Claw 8 AI. Looks really cool
Shame they only promised it for next Februrary, I was hoping to get it in October.
Me too, claw 8 seems to be a major improvement, been wanting to upgrade my launch steamdeck LCD for a while
Are you okay ETA you sounded a little down in the vid when the add came on i was like woahh!! Hope you are well!
Sounds like AI trained on his voice..
Its not his voice anymore, it's AI
@@slimslendy2591 Are you sure?
sounds like hes getting over a cold
i think that it is A.I. or maybe he is sick, but something is very wrong. hope you are okay E.T.A and just trying aou A.I.
I got LS like a couple of months ago. Honestly, even 20€ would be completely worth it, I LOVE the app's frame generation:
• I can play capped emulated console games at 60-120 FPS without (sometimes game-breaking) patches; _Gran Turismo 2_ has a 60 FPS patch made by Silent, but _Ridge Racer Type 4_ and _WipEout 3_ do not; adding LSFG on top of them is transformative.
• Severely capped games (like _Transformers: War for Cybertron_ and _Need for Speed: Rivals,_ which by default are limited to 30 FPS) can be smoothed out up to 120 FPS; while the screen can get riddled with artifacts given higher multiplication and fast movement, it is *definitely* worth it over near-filmic framerates.
• My laptop can run _Need for Speed_ 2016 at 2560×1600 at 100-200 FPS; I decided to cap it at 60 FPS (via NVIDIA control panel) then 4× with LSFG, the final framerate just won't drop below 220, and the graphical quality is marvelous.
• It can also run games like _GRID 2_ at mostly steady native 240 FPS, however the 4070 Max-Q does run at its peak almost all of the time and abundant particle effects on screen can half the framerate (not that it is obvious to my eyes); with LSFG, the final framerate is far more stable and the computer isn't working as hard, which I hope extends the laptop's longevity.
What I am not as convinced by is the app's rescaling: its variety of algorithms does give it quite a lot of use cases, but people really shouldn't expect an effectiveness reminiscent of DLSS; it shows that the native resolution is lower, but it's better than nothing.
PS: Also, it seems to work on anything that produces video; you can use it on RUclips, and it is funny to see it smooth out ×0'25 playback to the framerate of the original playback speed.
I think the latest update has really helped the Claw a lot but I'll definitely be checking this out.
This really helps me since I run my desktop with a super ultrawide resolution 5120x1440. Thanks for the video.
Valve needs to make this a native option in Steam OS's quick access menu. The $7 fee is miniscule but sadly will affect its mainstream appeal. If Valve can add this, it's yet another reason to switch to SteamOS on handheld PC's.
From what I read, it heavily uses windows functionality, so it's not something that can be just easily added
valve isn't the one that are making gaming on linux great... people are trying to implement it on Linux, they have made some progress but there still so much work to done. I really hope we will get it on 2025-2026
I thought it was 2am and Prime was tired but if it’s AI that’s wild. Because it’s so muted the “but yeahs” are like an Insurance Salesman now
Is it worth it to buy new msi claw with price 463$ for 512gb model?
I've been using this to play horizon zero dawn at 120-130 fps. 4k high settings with dlss quality looks great
Are u using Ai trained on your voice??
Time to unsubscribe
@@tnt_champ1002 - Most likely. Not sure why.
@@BuzzingGoober- Agreed. Time to remove this channel from my feed.
Maybe he is using it during the trip he mentioned in the last video? I don't know, man, it's a bit strange. It doesn't take long to record a voiceover, maybe it's just his voice with a different mic
@SilB it's pure laziness and it's what it is to expect from a lot of content creators in the future. He's probably even using chatgpt to draft a script for all this sponsored e waste too. I saw another channel I follow attempt this and everyone called them out on it. They essentially want to automate their content creation while sitting back, sipping Pina coladas on the beach. No thanks. At that point, you're nothing more than an NPC.
This one I actually bought on steam. ARG!!!!
This works very well. I dont get lagspikes anymore
It really sucks that this doesn't work on steam deck. It really would've came in handy for some games.
I just bought it for my Acer 17 2024 Laptop.... I am still in shock with the performance. I mean everyone, regardless of specs needs this. just stunning. Note: keeping the Frame Gen at 2X even if you aren't using an IGPU helps decrease latency alot it seems.
whats the difference between this and the other frame gen options
@@MrHamncheez Pll use this when they cant use other options as I understand it. Didnt work well on 30FPS locked on Towerborne as I hoped. Maybe the cpu didnt have enough overhead.
What a Claw!
I have no problems in combat, in fact it remained ok for me
Would be perfect if the steam deck could use it with it's stock OS
are you ok man ? seems pretty tired or sick , i hope you are doing ok
Bro where's the crowd density in 2077 😂
Handheld low settings
@@robertlawrence9000 I main a steamdeck, personally walking within a set tiny piece ain't representation of what that's going to chug like while playing
what we really need is a comparison between this and the built in AMD & DLSS alternatives. Does it work better at all?
Halo ETA.
I wanna ask your recommendation.
Which one to buy, brand new Rog Ally or brand new MSI Claw, both price tag $350
any idea to fix some episodes of screen blinking? i tried turning off the variable refresh rate and still persist. I tried factory reset and it's not fix the problem.😢
Decent handheld
After I instal this, my rog ally x controller not working including command center
😢Intel should pay for that instead of consumers .... or have something like that for free
Best $7 I ever spent.
If you have a amd device you could use anti lag
This is just 3.5 dollars in my country the only thing that will make it perfect is head glitching solve . In some games like Spiderman remastered i tested it for hours the charecter ghosting is very noticeable there. For other games ( i tested RDR2,Ghost of Tsushima, AC Odyssey) whole character ghosting was less noticeable but the head glitch was noticeable only when u move you mouse too fast playing with a controller will solve it or make it less noticeable. Bought cyberpunk today will test it soon
So why we don't test x4? Settings u get even more fps and the delay and quality is not bad at all.
And it's even more smooth
Did you get a new mic you sound really different
Most likely he's using an AI trained on his voice
i bought it for 3$ on steam without any sales
Because the claw is 120hz do we use 1/2 vsync option for a steady 60fps?
How is the visual quality on lsfg frame gen .does it increase or decrease the visual quality???
When i saw the price, for me is a little high because i live in Latam, B U T, the price change for my country to 3.5$, insta buy
I have a lenovo legion laptop with an nvidia rtx 3060 6ghz and a 4.6ghz processor. Would lossless scaling help out with these specs? I'm kind of a noob with this stuff
Does this help with fighting games like Tekken 8 and Streetfight 6?
Are you ok!?? What happened to your voice!?? Ai voice??
TMR or Hall effect sticks or drift sticks?
I downgraded it from 2.11 to 2.10 because there is a slow motion when my character walked and its not there on 2.10 so ill wait for a update to fix this
Any advice on how to reduce artifacts during fast movement when using FG? I tried it with Hogwarts Legacy, thinking maybe if I capped the framerate to 30, it would give it enough frame-time to reduce the notorious stutters in that game, and then I could make up the difference with FG. It worked too, except that the visual artifacts introduced by FG when the camera was moving fast were even more distracting than the stutters.
Hey dude make a video about that can we put graphic card to rog ally using m.2 slot
I can use it for my rtx 4070 gaming laptop? 😅
u forgot to say that u MUST limit your fps to the half of your screen refresh ratio...example: for a 60hz monitor,limit your fps with rivatuner to 30) 2nd example: for 120hz monitor,limit your game fps to 60 with rivatuner..then with framegeneration it goes to 120frames...thank me later!
Unless i missed something, You should do a tutorial on how to setup/find the optimal settings for lossless scaling.
I use it on the Ally X but on 2x but I swear their numbers lie. It says way more frames yet feels largely the same, sometimes worse. Very strange.
i think that additional fps are just mind conitioning you are getting high frames using lossless. i dont know if ally x has amd software just like legion go does but it does make my gaming stable and smooth. i get stable gaming and more battery life when i lauch games from amd software compared to launching games from desktop. i didnt get higher fps but it made 800p look like 1600p with stable fps of 65 to 75.
The input delay and the wobbly sides are jarring but tolerable. That said, I can't see myself using the framegen in first person games.
Would you rather have the MSI Claw, or the Legion GO?
legión go because amd
@@DienerNoUta Got you... thinking of the 1TB... hope it has some 2 years of future proof...
ill recommend less powerful machine to revert lossless scaling version to version legacy 2.1.
The newest version takes up alot more resources even at 2x mode.
legacy 2.1 takes almost 50% less resources.
AFMF, FSR, Lossless Scaling, I can not use any of these as there is too much input lag for my preference....Good technology for sure but not ready for the real gamers IMO....
Just found this video, and yeah, the comments are right, poor ETA sounds depressed. [ ≧▽≦] Do you need a hug, buddy?
Is it emulation Xbox 360?
Put Nyrna on it runs better
I mean I use it religiously when connected to my 7900XTX in my razer core x chroma. My issue is trying to run fallout 76. I try to scale it, but even at 2x scale the picture is so washed out it's not even funny. Never ran into this with my Legion go... Been asking for help on reddit but to no avail. I run my claw the highest sku model with over boost on and Performance mode set in the software and it just doesn't look good. I know you loose some graphical fidelity but not that much.
$7 to download now FPS 🤷
does this work on desktop hardware
handheld PC are, well... PC so yeah
Huh is today talk quieter than normal day?
are you ill bro ?
Nice
Unfortunately the delay is so bad
Try lossless scaling on winlator emulator on Samsung galaxy tab s9 ultra sir
wonder why msi couldnt make their own frame gen? why do people need to buy lossless?
MSI is a hardware manufacturer I believe, I don't think they want 5o invest and develop a own frame gen app just for the handheld.....
Dude…
👍🏾
Oh, come on! "Unfortunately, it's not free. It's $7 on Steam."... while playing a game that costs $200. Let these fellas get some mullah.
Are you using AI voice ? Such awkward tones you have in your voice, why so lazy to do proper voice over ??
fake fps
Lossless is cool and all i have it dont get me wrong its good but its not that good sometimes you get problems with it not working on certain games I mean it's okay but if you use AMD settings and the in-game settings in the right way then you really wouldn't need lossless but one thing it's good for emulation that's it for me
and a yeah it works with movies and anime i use it for that
@@Gladitor_EXE for real?? Thats good what what apps or whatever do you use to watch movies and stuff on your handheld PC? Cuz I was looking into doing that because I always watch movies and shows from apps that I have on my Android phone so that would be cool watching it don my Legion go