As the ferocity in the skies over Britain and the Channel increases, the losses are heartbreaking enough. But now, experienced Pilots, with much invested in their training and skill, are being shot down with terrible frequency. Thank you for this series Claire. The story told day by day, with it's mounting losses, imbues depth to this history.
WM, How are you doing? This is not an idle question. Some time has passed since last you posted, and I wonder about your health. Wishes and prayers for your health.
PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.... it's been known to happen... not often tho... anyway. For F/O Collard's DFC. Awarded on 11 Aug, and he's KIA on 14 Aug. I thought the only British Military medal that is awarded/presented posthumously, is the Victoria Cross. Any other medal earned, but not presented, before being KIA, is withdrawn. Yes/no? God Save the King!
The Victoria Cross cannot be given posthumously, and the date for which one is awarded is usually nowhere near the date it's gazetted. He was awarded the DFC on 11 August for his actions in France and the victories he'd accumulated up to that time, not the battle of 14 August. He was gazetted the DFC on 23 August, two days before he washed ashore. The actual text reads: “During operations in France, and in particular in May 1940, [Collard] took part in almost every patrol undertaken by the squadron and destroyed two enemy aircraft. Since his return to England, Flying Officer Collard has continued his excellent work, and has destroyed a further four enemy aircraft.” The mention of four aircraft seems to be a conflation of his record. His victories were: 15 May - HS 126 Kill ?? May - Unknown Kill 22 June - He 111 Probable 14 July - Ju 87 Kill 27 July - He 59 Shared
@@TheWarbirdMistress We're going to disagree on the VC not being awarded posthumously. My exhibit. Flying Officer Lloyd Allan Trigg VC DFC (5 May 1914 or 5 June 1914 - 11 August 1943) Your turn. =)
The V.C. can be awarded posthumously. I believe something like 25% of those awarded in the First World War were posthumous. There were also some awarded so during the Second World War.
@@resnonverba137 Ironically, I was quoting what was said at the Battle of Britain Memorial page itself lol Well, there we have it: accuracy in government. It seems that posthumous awards were explicitly allowed after 1920, while before that it was not clear, but posthumous awards were given out at that rate in the Great War, indeed.
thank you ms clair for posting.good job
God bless them all. Many thanks for respectful upload.
As the ferocity in the skies over Britain and the Channel increases, the losses are heartbreaking enough. But now, experienced Pilots, with much invested in their training and skill, are being shot down with terrible frequency.
Thank you for this series Claire. The story told day by day, with it's mounting losses, imbues depth to this history.
Thank YOU! I'm glad my work is appreciated and that it's doing what I planned for it to accomplish. Cheers!
WM, How are you doing? This is not an idle question. Some time has passed since last you posted, and I wonder about your health. Wishes and prayers for your health.
Mentally? Questionable. Physically? Just fine! Stress, depression, anxiety... Shoot your girl here an email and she'll fill you in. Honestly.
PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.... it's been known to happen... not often tho... anyway. For F/O Collard's DFC. Awarded on 11 Aug, and he's KIA on 14 Aug.
I thought the only British Military medal that is awarded/presented posthumously, is the Victoria Cross. Any other medal earned, but not presented, before being KIA, is withdrawn.
Yes/no?
God Save the King!
The Victoria Cross cannot be given posthumously, and the date for which one is awarded is usually nowhere near the date it's gazetted. He was awarded the DFC on 11 August for his actions in France and the victories he'd accumulated up to that time, not the battle of 14 August. He was gazetted the DFC on 23 August, two days before he washed ashore. The actual text reads:
“During operations in France, and in particular in May 1940, [Collard] took part in almost every patrol undertaken by the squadron and destroyed two enemy aircraft. Since his return to England, Flying Officer Collard has continued his excellent work, and has destroyed a further four enemy aircraft.”
The mention of four aircraft seems to be a conflation of his record. His victories were:
15 May - HS 126 Kill
?? May - Unknown Kill
22 June - He 111 Probable
14 July - Ju 87 Kill
27 July - He 59 Shared
And, indeed. Eternal memory to her Majesty, Elizabeth, and God Save the King!
@@TheWarbirdMistress We're going to disagree on the VC not being awarded posthumously.
My exhibit. Flying Officer Lloyd Allan Trigg VC DFC (5 May 1914 or 5 June 1914 - 11 August 1943)
Your turn. =)
The V.C. can be awarded posthumously. I believe something like 25% of those awarded in the First World War were posthumous. There were also some awarded so during the Second World War.
@@resnonverba137 Ironically, I was quoting what was said at the Battle of Britain Memorial page itself lol Well, there we have it: accuracy in government. It seems that posthumous awards were explicitly allowed after 1920, while before that it was not clear, but posthumous awards were given out at that rate in the Great War, indeed.