What Will Europe Look Like In 2025?
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What other changes do you think *might* take place in Europe over the next few years?
@@Tim_TM42 he said other
What about the island of Cyprus ? There are some arguments speculating the official division of the island...Others support a confederation between the two sides. @General Knowledge what is your opinion on that ?
Why you believe it’s in the next 5 years it will change.
@@user-xp8nq5mf9y He doesn't.
The European Union = GET WOKE GO BROKE
Europe seems to have a thing for redrawing it's borders every 50 years. My maternal grandfather was born in Poland, graduated highschool in Ukraine, but emmigrated from Austrohungary. Thing is, he never left his home town.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmfao. I wonder what your future country will be.
@@kairos116 It will be called 'Zone four' of the United states of Europe
My grandfather lived in 7 countries by only moving between 2 Croatian cities...
Lwow/Lemberg?
Oh my god😂
"Germany could be split into four"
Like we haven't tried that before😂
very funny
Wait. You did?
Aldi North
Aldi South
Aldi West
Aldi East
Both world wars effectively destroyed what was left of old European governing body but for a few . Follow example of Israeli,s building a new trans European state former states now seated at house of commons to vote as Swiss Canton does .
That is why they unified. Modern weddings. Redecomposed families.
In the 90s an old man from Istria in a famous interview said: "I was born under the Austrian flag, then became italian, then jugoslavian, now it's Croatian, but I am only istrian and I only speak Venetian."
my great grandma was bulgarian born in the ottoman empire, suddenly she was in the newly made country of southern Romalia an ottoman ruled government..then she was a greek citizen in Greece ..and then in Bulgaria. She never left her homecity tho…
Classic
1:49 “split Poland into 2” now where have I heard this one before
Oof
I mean there are only like 7 or 8 themes of european history. Splitting Poland being one.
We'll call the other half "Lithuania"
@@gaevlebocken What are the other themes? I'm curious!
We could erase Poland again ;-)
(happened at least from 1795 till 1918)
The Holy Roman Empire didn't disappear, they were playing the long game.
Well.... a it wasn't Holy, it wasn't Roman, and it wasn't really an empire.
Now on the subject of history, how 'bout the ol' Treaty Of Westphalia....
@@tobymaltby6036 but it was germanic, so it doesnt count like european union
@@Darium147 Point about Westphalia is that it shows how arbitrary and superficial most modern states are (UK being good example).
Whereas pan-continental hegemonic power structures are as old as civilization, and as equally unavoidable. So you might as well have a seat at the table...
@@tobymaltby6036 I like pan continental idea with former ethnic bodies/states seated at a sort of house of commons but with Swiss Canton,s like powers.
@@lawrencefox563 I could live with that.
For instance, in Britain, we would go back to the old cantons we had prior to about 950AD, such as Mercia, Wessex, etc. This would mean areas such as Wales and Scotland would not be hugely outnumbered.
It would, of course, mean the end of the United Kingdom.
Which I think is now not unlikely anyway....
I always love channels that put their highlights in the first 10 seconds.. At least completely caught up after 10 seconds and can go to the next video.
General knowledge: "Here's a hypothetical scenario where each country could be divided in different macroregions"
Portugal:
"Oh no! Anyways..."
Europe: colapsing
Portugal be vibing
Pretty much all of Portuguese history in a nutshell
For all bad things absolute monarchies and a dictatorship did, at least we learned to stay together.
And they may even just gain Galiza out of nowhere
@@riograndedosulball248 That wouldn't make any sense. Battle of São Mamede, anyone? Probably not, people don't usually know anything us and that's very clear.
Portugal will break up into Madeira, the Azores, the Algarve, Porto and then the rest. 😌
I’ll settle for “not starting another world war”.
Maybe nevertheless because 'all good things are three'
100% spot on +1. May the peace project continue!
I don't think this time anything significant as to bringing the world in a war to europe could happen. Center of World politics are not in Europe anymore.
@@gazibizi9504 Aaaaaahhhh!! You take that back!!😡😡😡
@@gazibizi9504 To some extent yes, but if EU fails and divides itself, China and Russia will be emboldened to increase influence in the Middle East and Africa, which will in turn create additional tensions in these places, leading to a global conflict.
Thank you for sharing, really cool video!
WAIT WTF I COULD BECOME VALONIAN?! damn that lion on the flag is gonna be mighty
12:37 The new Paradox Game's starting map is looking pretty cool
Where can I find a link to it?
Is it Victoria III?
It was a joke lol
HOI 5
Just a imaginaire a HRE but bigger and more border gorey
This would probably be a good subject for an alternate history/future video.
Look who it is.
Please make this subject into a video, that is an amazing idea.
Do it!
@@SAVAGE-oe3fg you know if it ain’t Dutch it ain’t much
Oh boy you are going to be harassed with scenario ideas, and I will take part in it.
What if Richard the Lionheart made it back to england?
What If Austria prevented the Prussian Unification of Germany?
Hello General Knowledge, I'm listening to your video in October 2022 and I think it would be a great idea for you to do a follow up video of this topic in 2026. As always keep up the noice work CHEERS Kevin
I little context on the 2014 Veneto unofficial referendum, since I voted aswell, living there: the total turnout was 2.36 million, that's over 63% of the people registered to vote in Veneto, and over 91% of those voted for independence.
But that's not all that was. There were 4 questions in the referendum: the 1st and most important was the independence one, as the others dependended on the result of that.
The others were on: 2) Keep using the Euro; 3) Enter the EU; 4) Remaining in NATO.
All those have been voted as "yes", but, while the independence seen over 91% of positive votes, entering the EU only seen the 51.4% of positives.
You should leave the eu. Eu is basically mitteleuropa and stahlpakt all over again.
@@Caspff and end up like the UK? No, thanks.
@@Moribax85 Norway and swiz aren't in EU either. If you want an independent country, then being a part of EU is the opposite way.
@@Caspff You sure you know about politics? Norway and Switzerland are in the Schengen Area. What does it mean? It means that they're compelled to follow all EU regulations, but don't have any say in those regulations because they're not EU members.
I think you should study the argument you want to discuss, before discussing it.
@@Moribax85 there is nothing to talk about, how an leftist anti-cultural organization, dominated by germans which wants to federalize europe is a good thing?
"Belarus likely doesn't fulfill the full democracy requirement" I guess that's one way to put it...
A lots of old conservatives wants the Balkans, Caucasus and all the est europe to join even if they are not democracy, because they are all satellites under Russia that supports the pro Putin local dictatorial party, and they want to humiliate him.
Only one European state does ? Assange...Catalan deputees locked up for having organised elections....30 eyes shot by French police, the black blocks and other police-provocations... , ... democracy in Europe or USA ? Partly in Switzerland.... at least...
@@cauwenberghsroeland8607
The stare structure of both USA and european nations is democratic because it doesn't allow concentration of powers in a single small group of persons.
The state violence can happen for flaw in the legislation, for unchecked violent people with authority, or because citizens simply don't mind about that.
But Is a very different situation from systematic state violence used by a dictator that can do everything without limits.
Lukashenko is FAR MORE popular than any western liberal democratic leader. Belarus is basically MORE DEMOCRATIC than ALL western countries.
@@lucasgrey9794 Can't tell if bad troll or literally braindead
European country: *exists*
Random State: I want to leave
That's not Europe, that's Africa.
@ that’s Europe too
What's up with that I get that the Scottish are a different people but it's a union not an empire plus do they really wanna fall that far from grace! Britain was once the most powerful nation on earth now it's just sad!😢
@Faigornx He's not talking about Europe, he's talking about european countries and separatism
@Faigornx No problem
It is true that there is a political party in belgium that still has seperatism in their party goals, but they do not actively fight for it, rather they'll wait until the relationship between flanders and wallonia has deteriorated. Also the reason belgium has not split up earlier is all because of Brussels, the highest economical region in belgium. So if belgium were to seperate, Brussels will be integrated in either wallonia or flanders.
I can't imagine how Europe will like look that year.
History: I love European states so much, I want to see a million of them!
HRE: Im four parallel universes ahead of you!
Foolish person
@@danielsmith4715-d2k I would consider my home and garden a state. So, I don't have to pay heavy EU taxes for maintaining bla bla bla people!
@@danielsmith4715-d2k Hahaha! Mine was a joke! If I were to declare independence the first thing the state would do is to arrest me for disturbing the peace and take everything away! I'm sure the state would have other law suits to press charges too!
If I can find it there's an old British film (comedy) on this subject. In the film it is called Burgundy in the middle of London. I'll check 😉
@@danielsmith4715-d2k The film is called "Passport to Pimlico 1949".
I couldn't find the the full film, but I'm sure you can. Its worth watching and very funny too...
ruclips.net/p/PLxkDxrDWBUl7zq_-k58P7yPZ2lGGkEA5W
I just hope the balance of power doesn’t drastically change, because we all all know what that usually leads to...
Oh man.
Another Sabaton song?
That really means nothing
European wars won't happen again
@@husted5488 Balkan is typing...
As a bavaraian, I can say that we are politically kinda different from the north, and we had a long history without the other German states, but we wouldn't ever want to leave out brothers.🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪 And by the way, Bavaria is tied to Germany and Germany is tied to Bavaria, so I don't think this is a really realistic scenario.
Wow this is a very different mindset than in Spain. I think Spain should try some federalism themselves.
Yeah, Bavaria wouldnt leave germany behind, we just want to rant about our differences. (Etwas granteln muss sein)
True. The year before unification it was actually discussed, because the Bavarian government was afraid of the costs coming up back then. But they figured leaving Germany would be really stupid from an economic point of view.
@@ElyOmar I think you should invest time into analysing the currents of separatism. Federalism in a equally distributed wealth scenario is a good thing and probably will allow for local solutions to local problems all the while still encouraging synergy effects by galvanizing resources in national policies. Federalism in a mal distributed wealth scenario however encourage local ambitions to go separate furthermore. There are also ethnic issues. Bavarians are different in many aspects but they aren't speaking a complete other language (at least they understand High German, even if other way around is not so), therefore don't have as much of an issue that their kids are thought in another dialect than their local one. Catalonia or Basque however are more distinct as far as I know. And the wealth isn't distributed equal here either. If East Germany was richer than the West I definitely believe they would have stayed independent, but this wasn't the case of course and to this day the rest of Germany is paying for their development.
@@minzblatt At Catalans speak Castillian. They all do. Basque people I understand, because it is not a "spanish" language. But Catalans just like Galicians Andalusians etc. are all Spanish without exception. Cataluña as a country is nothing more than pipe dream.
I learned at school that in theory any country, even non-European ones, can be part of the EU if they meet all the criterias, because France already have parts of it's territory all across the world. I think it could be really cool to have countries from other continents as parts of the EU but we probably need to change its name then 🤔
(Btw I'm French and I really like your videos !)
pour le coup c'est plus tot une sorte de conséquence plus qu'une possibilité. ces territoires était français avant l'EU et l'ont intégré au même titre que la corse par exemple donc je suis pas sur que ta théorie soit appliquable
@@antoinedenis9922 en y réfléchissant l'Espagne, le Royaume-Uni et le Danemark ont également des bouts de leur territoire qui ne se situent pas sur le continent européen. Après c'est clairement une conséquence de l'histoire et pas une volonté d'inclusion c'est certain.
les états-unis rejoignent l’union européenne en cinq ans MDR😂
only countries located on the European continent and only with a white population can join the European Union, that's what makes sense
Fun fact : Morocco tried to join The EU in The time of king hassan 2
You’re right. And Algeria was part of it (European Economic Community by that time)
What's next, taking part in Eurovision? (Checks Wikipedia, finds out Morocco already took part in Eurovision) Hum ok
@@claram5482 well yea Morocco is the only African Country which is a part of Eurovision , Morocco has relations with The EU more than any other Arab or African Country Since the war of Sands
Morocco does share a lot of history with Europe
@@omaralkayal7598 The most of Moroccan history is related to western Europe more than any other Islamic Nations , The Moroccan rulle Of Iberia , The Battles Against Castille , Battle of Three Kings , Piracy in Alboran sea and the Atlantic , attack to Iceland and Ireland , Friendship with Netherlands ( The first Friendship between non-Christian country and a Christian country ) , Hispanic-Moroccan War , War of rif , European colonialism , World War 2 And The moroccans who fought in the side of franco
11:29 That's not the Faroe Islands, that's Shetland.
Shite land
Shit Island
@@miguelds2228 their name speaks for itself
Glad someone else pointed that out haha
@@ignaspetrauskas8763 So says a bunch of people who've never lived there.
The weather, I'll admit, isn't great... - But the summer can be nice because you can swim in the sea off the west coast (not exactly warm, but the gulf stream means it's warmer than the North Sea).
My great great grandma was first Austro Hungarian, then Italian, then Yugoslavian, then for a short while Serbian and then Croatian, she lived 104 years
Portugal watching every European country getting dissolved like 👀
Liechtenstein aren't, they are in a 'Union' with Switzerland, policy wise to an extent, as well as economic, could be different now, but they mostly follow Switzerland.
Liechtenstein is smart, they don't pay taxes to Switzerland but use Swiss infrastructure, for example if there's a fire in Liechtenstein, the Swiss fire brigade come and deal with it, because Liechtenstein doesn't have a fire brigade.
@@simonh6371 they may not directly pay taxes but they pay us (Switzerland) for those services.
@@simonh6371 I'm being very pedantic but while there's no professional fire brigade in Liechtenstein, each municipality is required by law to have its own volunteer fire brigade, which the municipality funds. There's a larger brigade in Vaduz which is state-funded. So, Liechtensteiners do put out their own fires. Whether that was true when the Swiss army set the country alight I genuinely don't know. :P
Liechtenstein also has close ties to Austria. E.g. the only railway line in the country is owned (!) by the Austrian Federal Railways.
Also Liechtenstein is not only a member of the EFTA (like Switzerland) but also the EEA.
Liechtenstein is also protected by the swiss army
I’m from Gibraltar, we’re too small and not self-sufficient enough to become independent and the Treaty of Utrecht disallows that sadly, but we still already have our own government/laws and vote for our own political parties so we’re not totally controlled by the British government
Soon you’ll be Spanish...
Why don't you join your angry neighbor? Just kidding...
Unless..? 👀👀
@@micxixd823 Well Gibraltar already is quite culturally Spanish, were not “pure English” rather our own unique identity/language mix of English/Spanish call it Spanglish if you want lol, and thousands of Spanish workers cross the border to work here every day and we get along with majority of them well so
Gibraltarians should decide for themselves if they want to remain under Britain or join Spain, self determination should always be our right, we’ve voted 95% to remain British in two past referendums. We’re proud of our British ties and History
@@micxixd823 Dumb
it will became like monaco.
Some nations becoming independent is not incompatible with a hypothetical federalization of Europe.
The idea of Europe united as a country is absolutely terrifying but fortunately very unlikely I think.
Why terrifying?
@Kyro Byis Think about it: Russia plus a full continent; all that territory under one government. Doesn’t that seem slightly unnerving to you? Especially the way some of these countries are headed & how easily corrupted that government might be.
@Kyro Byis Even without Russia it’s unsettling. Even America’s not that vast.
@@matthewheald8964 Interesting point. Although I doubt Russia would even be included. Last I checked, there were also plenty of ways to counter corruption.
But besides corruption, what exactly would be so bad about a single European government?
@Kyro Byis First of all, when he talks about Europe becoming a country, I think of all of Europe instead of just EU territory, so given the fact that he covers several other outlandish & impossible country unions in his other videos I decided to at least address that possibility. In case it wasn’t clear (& I apologize if I did not make it so), the possibility for corruption was something I foresee in any possible union of the proposed nature. Second, there are measures against corruption, but they are not infallible (as an American, the current level of corruption in my country is appalling, despite all the checks & balances our founders put in place), & if the European government went rogue, I think it would be a huge threat to the world. I have no idea how we all stay alive with Russia & China in existence, but Europe, Russia, & China sounds like 1984. Aside from all that, the whole plan involves dozens of European countries sacrificing their national sovereignty, which does not sound like the best choice for them. The EU is one thing, but the full merging of those countries is another, especially with all the countries that don’t really like each other like Netherlands & Belgium, & Serbia & Kosovo. That among other factors would make a complete union difficult if not impossible & certainly (I believe) unbeneficial for all involved.
Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Iceland and Norway are all very unlikely to join the EU ever. Besides all of them having strong economies and good relations with the EU anyways, those four have their own economical union (EFTA)
The Benelux was and always will be a working relationship. So if the EU suddenly dies, the Benelux Will definitely carry on
Yeah, but nobody here wants a united benelux tho
@@Mango_Eter I do
@@alexgallion8112 living with Frisians is bad enough imo, definitely don't wanna live in a country where people speak French.
@@Mango_Eter gotta love that dutch superiority complex, merde
@@Sunrah ga slakken eten franskiljon
Can you leave a link to the Geopolitical European Map that you referred to in this video, please?
That map at the start is actually a good reference for _nations._
Remember that nations =/= countries.
It included several internationally forgotten nations that nonetheless exist at least nominally in their local areas, which is why I'm inclined to trust that map.
for a quick example the brittany region of france on said map is wrong as of today the ex britanny city Nantes do not complitely identify as part of brittany even tho it was for centuries it currently isn't and asn't be for a while just on that point it's wrong
1 part about that map, Athlone being the new capital of Ireland is a ridiculous prospect.
The last time Norway held a referendum about joining the EU (I'm from Norway), the majority said No to joining and staying the way it is now. Being part of the EEA and having good relations instead.
Yet they must abide by all EU legislation, except a few opt-out matters without having politcal influence (not part of the Council and not elective the EU Parliament).
Honestly, it doesn't seem a very good deal for Norway.
@@giulioascari214 it does because of there fishing industry and petrol exploration . Once that runs out, they’ll want to join . I’ll give it 15 years
@@giulioascari214 Yes. Currently Norway in all practical sense is like a member without a voice.
@@julianamonteiro9648 I think this is right. Norway remains outside of the EU due to certain economic reasons. Once the incentives for those exceptions fade, Norway will seek to become a full member. Sweden and Finland just joined Nato, I see Norway and Iceland joining by 2040. Switzerland likely never will, though. lol
@@falsevacuum4667 I don't really get the reasoning behind anything Switzerland does so 💀
Europe Map becomes Monke and is going back 600 years
Well done my man!
You seem to have forgotten Brittany, the Languedoc and the several other bits of France that, in addition to Corsica, may wish to detach themselves from political control by Paris.
tu a craqué par contre les breton et corse sont fier de leur culture et j'en sait quelque chose mais demanderont jamais l'indépendance complête sa serait un désastre économique et sa c'est que les plus gros "indépendantiste" de france avec les basque. il y a une différence entre être fier de sa culture régionale comme les breton ou les corse et être indépendant comme la catalogne ou encore plus gros l'écosse
@@antoinedenis9922 You seem a tad confused and incapable of adopting a consistent stance here. Catalonia is thought of today as a region of Spain, not a distinct nation. It can be considered historically as a distinct polity but then, in that case, so should many of the possible secessionist regions of France.. though you prefer not to acknowledge that.
While as for economic harm, in the event of secession by far the most badly affected of the entities you cite will be poor little Scotland. At least if the rancid SNP dupes enough Scots (or more likely just manages to enfranchise enough children and foreigners) into leaving the UK, only to return to custody within the loathsome EU instead.
4:50 damn am I the only who noticed that prosthetic leg (on the drawing in the upper corner)
it's called a prosthetic. you know, for when people misplace their leg, they need a new one.
@@tylermech66 yeah... Sorry I just forgot the word. I'll edit it, thanks ^^
huh?
@@mingg4724... That woman has a prosthetic leg on the drawing
@@davidmagyar6093 oh ok
There's absolutely no reason to think Kaliningrad is going anywhere
or Transnistria
Well, duh. It's a city. It can't walk...
It belongs to Germany
@@DerMke As a German, I have to disagree. It once was German, but things change and keep changing. The majority of the population there is Russian. On top of that, I bet Germany or our government woudn't even like to accept it even if Putin himself would offer it. It would be an enclave and as auch higly expensive. And just like with former Eastern Germany, there might be a huge economical difference which you would need to compensate somehow. I also think such an action would bring further tensions to our relation with Poland. The US might also wanna put all their NATO missiles there which means that the US would "annoy" Germany and then Germany might annoy the US by not agreeing and so on. I guess Germany would rather take some small remote and uninhabited island in the Pacific instead of Kaliningrad. (Even thouh that would be an enclave with a even larger distance - but at least most other countries woudn't care and we would have some tropical place for vacation.)
I red that the population of really Kaliningrad doesn't like Putin and his isolationist policies, so that enclave is considered the weak point of Russia.
Man. I love this channel.
What a beautifully constructed and presented video, so full of information, you have created here. Many thanks.
I don't want Europe to be balkanized but DAMN do I want to see that venetian flag again.
So Federal Europe with more states it is
Here in Venice it's everybody's dream, and you can see it almost everywhere if you come to visit, even more than the Italian flag. We even have our own language with its own literary tradition.
It's already the official flag of the city of venice
@@dannytaylor03za yeah but this indipendent "Veneto" thing was just a meme and the region will remain in Italy for the near future
I'd prefer to see the Flag of the Republic of Genoa again.
My mom: "Clean your bedroom, please"
My bedroom: 1:33
*Holy Roman Empire memes intensify*
In Venice it's a bit different. We didn't vote to leave Italy, but to get more autonomy. Our constitution provides for different levels of regional autonomy, for example Sud Tirol is something like a "federated state" to Italy, because it can exercise all the autonomy levels provided for by the constitution, and Veneto would like to be like that. Its a discussion between "federalism" and "centralism"...
Just found this channel, love it
Those maps are giving me *Holy European Union* vibes
underrated comment
Holy European Empire!
We need an emperor. Let's summon the Great Electors! The governors of the European Central Bank and Bundesbank, the President of France and the German Bundeskanzler(in), the grand duke (or duchess) of Luxembourg, the CEO of IKEA and the president of UEFA ;)
@@stefanodadamo6809 I agree
No,union of socialistics european republics
Changes over the next years?
Switzerland: «Nah, we don't do that here!» 🇨🇭😂
Federer shares your attitude, but is not comic as you.
you are the smart ones..Fuck this union
@@dedeferreira98 fuck EU
Islamic attack on Switzerland
Switzerland: hey but it's illegal
this video caused me so much stress, like countries states etc aren’t complicated enough it could get worse😫😂 brilliant video though!
All this made me realise 2 things. Both from the two countries I'm from: 1. Portugal is like that quiet cousin at the family meeting, who's actually super cool once you spend time with him. 2. Luxembourg is the real MVP
Portugal is quite chill, but TAP is not. I'm never flying Air Portugal again
Portugal and Luxembourg are my two favorite countries lol
The absolute BORDERGORE that is that map (1:59), goodness gracious
I truly hope the united states of europe never become a thing, as swede I think it's a horrible idea
@@aliceberethart so you Think that other countries arent transparent, trustworthy or responsible
I think its already happened...An anthem, embassies, centralised court and Parliament, no true sovereignty a unified currency and an army on the way...As A Brit, I am so glad to get out just in time and most Brits consider the Swedes as long time friends, so I wish you all the luck in the world
We'll have our own thing, with non-fucked democracy and proper healthcare
European countries in generel have the best health care in the world, its not about being better than other members we are all in the same boat. Its about comepting economically, helping each other.. at least we should work on ourselves to achieve this
Official languages "um i think we have like 100 but idk"
Comment me on the year 2025
Tell me if every events that General Knowledge said became true or not.
hype
You don’t need to be on 2025. If you have any knowledge you know at most 2 of the exemples will actually happened
@@cardoso1313 Rude
@@cardoso1313 what do you think those two would be? Just curious
need a note on that
Leaving just to make a state will cause problems. Making Europe like that United States won't work
Agreed.
Yea judging by how European Union has went for past 2 decades I have to sadly agree.. but maybe not being in a huge Union/United States is a good thing, separation causes more economic competition leading to more success overall
@@FriedrichBarb "separation causes more economic competition leading to more success overall" have you seen the united states? factually wrong.
@@tylermech66 Yea true it can be debated I guess, but I think America is an exception since it’s the size of Europe itself with 350+ million people who all speak the same language so, separation would just be unintelligent to
@@FriedrichBarb And when they did separate, the US shut them up
Europe could become a strong federation of culturally shaped regions...
The choice is between federalism or collapse.
I'll happily take federalism.
I seriously doubt any of this will happen, a lot of people say that Catalonia wants independence, even in big cities like Barcelona only a fraction of the population wants independence, the thing is that those are the most vocals lol
He said they're hypothetical and unlikely 10:45
I'd say the most likely to join in the near future is Scottland but seing how UK's situation is actually, i dont think they will let them have indepence any time soon as the last thing they need right now is the UK starting to dissunite itself
I agree!
A fraction of the population? Well, 100%, 50% and 0% are all fractions so saying independentists are just a fraction of the population is the same as saying nothing. We have to look at the latest results in both Catalonia-wide and local elections (a lot of independentists usually abstain in the Spanish elections so they are always turn out to be under-represented in them) to get an idea of how many independentists are there in Barcelona city. Yeah, I know next February 14th there will be new elections and soon we will have new data to work with but for the time being the information we have is:
Results of the city of Barcelona in the last Catalan elections (December 21st, 2017):
Total votes cast: 910,133
Independentist parties (JxCat + ERC + CUP): 418,466 votes (45.98%)
Unionist parties (C's + PSC + PP): 397,190 votes (43.64%)
Neutral parties (ECP + PACMA + Verds): 94,477 (10.38%)
Results of the city of Barcelona in the last local elections (May 26th, 2019):
Total votes cast: 751,370
Indepedentist parties (ERC + JxCat + CUP + Primàries): 297,512 (39,60%)
Unionist parties (C's + PSC + PP + VOX): 284,710 (37.89%)
Neutral parties (ECP + PACMA + Other minor parties with less than 1000 votes each): 169,148 (22.51%)
So there you are. I could look into the details of the last Spanish elections as well and we would most likely get a similar picture but as I said before, since a lot of independentists prefer to abstain in the Spanish elections, we would get a skewed representation of independentism's reality anyways, while the Catalan and local elections are much better at representing independentism, which is what we are talking about here. And what we see here is that in one election independentists are 45.98% of the voters in Barcelona city alone and in the other we get a 39.60% of the turnover.
So according to the latest results independentists are somewhere between 39% and 46% of Barcelona's population. Certainly in the minority but far from a small minority. And when we consider the other two blocks of Catalan politics (unionists and neutrals) we see that independentists always happen to be the block that gets more votes out of the three blocks. That's noteworthy none the least.
Note on the neutral parties: ECP is by far the largest neutral party (in each election it represents more than 90% of each neutral vote cast so speaking of the neutrals is basically speaking about ECP's stance). ECP supports the independentists in acknowledging that a self-determination referendum is necessary and that supporting independence may be seen as reasonable. Their official stanceof the party however is that they support the self-determination referendum along the other independentist parties but that they prefer voting no to independence and rather focus on changing the status quo in the whole of Spain (a referendum on the Third Spanish Republic or an Iberian federation are also some of their proposals). So while some of ECP's voters would certainly vote independence in an independence referendum, others would certainly vote for union so how many voters of ECP would vote independence and how many would vote union in a binary referendum remains a mistery.
@Svensk Drama 3 Basically because when people want to disregard something they are either against of or simply don't care about that much they simply say "that's nothing but a fraction/few people out there/just a bunch of radicals/etc." and they proceed to completely ignore reality.
You can clearly see this attitude everywhere and this keeps us from having truly productive conversations. The most blatant examples of this I see in the Western world being desregarding relatively weird elements from Asian cultures. Chinese characters? Just weird writting system... That is used by nearly 2 billion people on a daily basis. Dharma? Just a weird religious concept... that all buddhists, hindus and jainists (that's nearly 1.8 billion people) believe in and regulate their lifes according to it.
You see? It's not that I join the Western-civilization-bashing crowd (actually I hate that and I actually love and admire the incredible achievements of my civilization) or that I am unable to understand the cultural relativism that leads Westerners to see the aforementioned phenomena as 'weird'. It's just that I hate the typical discussion where nobody pays attention to facts and reality and they just throw some cultural conventions to it.
You see? People disregard the topic saying 'Catalan independentists are just a fraction of the population of Catalonia and Barcelona' and that's it, and they keep having the exact same ideas they had before the conversation even started and all because their cultural framework leads them to think so.
But now with my data they can clearly see that independentists happen to be a fraction...of somewhere between 39% to 46% of Barcelona's population (about 48% of Catalonia's population if you look at a Catalonia-wide scale). Now they can challenge themselves and ask themselves how many major cities in the world have about 40% of its population wanting to secede. Now they can ask themselves why independentists, while being a minority, happen to be more people than unionists judging by the results.
Do you understand now? I'm sick and tired of people just throwing their misinformed opinions and their on-line tantrums where a discussion is supposed to take place. Bring challenging facts to discussion. Force them to re-evaluate their ideas.
I highly doubt anything will change in the next 5 years.
Next 4 years
Let's see how Scotland votes in May.
@@michaelleiper I personally like to see Scotland become independent. I will be happy if they do but can't see it happening in May, the Opinion polls averages about 54% (except for one, which is 58%) favoring independence. In the actual referendum people are usually more causes. Hope I am wrong.
Welsh independence is on the rise in Wales as well. With the last yougov poll putting it at 33% with it expected to jump to around 40% after Brexit was done. If Scotland leave the U.K. then Wales will be closely behind.
Let's hope this comment ages well
He literally predicted Finland leaving EU and joining NATO
Wait in Veneto (The region of Venice) nobody voted for indipendances, we voted for making the region a special statute region
There is a little caveat: remember that Austria and Germany cannot be part of the same state!
Question is: When that part of the austrian constitution was written, did they intend it to mean that they cannot be part of any larger political unit that happens to include germany too? I mean, the EU isnt currently a country, but if it were to become one, im not sure if that particular rule was written to include the possibility of that happening. That rule was mostly written to prevent germany and austria doing Anschluss 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Laws can be changed.
@@Doso777 Well in Germany for example some parts of our constitution can never be changed.
@@extra_tof You guys ignored your own constitution in 2020 by repressing peaceful protests against the Lockdown
@@matheuspinho4987 Funny how uninformed you are.
You should do this for other continents/regions. I think Africa and the Middle East could be especially interesting.
Stanistan unite!
Thanks for the video 👍👍💓💓
FYA: The arrow on the 'Faroe Islands' was actually on Shetland Island ( which has Orkney Island below it ).
Bavarian independence movement - that isn't even a thing. There is only one party that has that in their manifesto and they haven't been elected to the Landtag for over 50 years.
it does not matter, because the current times are still good. But there is a deep desire inside the swabian and bavarian people to separate, which will grow if the times are getting rougher. Greetings from Baden-Württemberg
@@hanszimmer9224 but it's minority in radical sectors actually, because a lot they show their German pride...Germany is a strong country..
They rather rule over all of Germany with their highly incompetent ministers like Scheuer or Seehofer
I wish they'd become independent so we could get rid of them
@@sushi777300 The Grip the CSU Party has over Bavaria is actually stretching the meaning of Democracy into very uncomfortable zones. This party has ruled Bavaria with an absolute majority for the past 50 years! The entire administrative apparatus is controlled by that party, the vast majority of Bavarian judges are members of that party, so are highly-ranking law enforcement functionaries, prosecuters and even many public defense attorneys. Bavaria is a de-facto Oligarchy and many of the ministries CSU men hold in Berlin are working almost unilaterally for the benefit of the Bavarian State and cut federal funding for project in other States very disproportionately.
@@hanszimmer9224 But... why? Why would they want to leave? They’re not gonna do better than they’re doing now...
It would be interesting to add overseas departments into this analysis, after all, countries like France have lots of territories distributed around the world which theoretically belongs to Europe and should be the first to ask for independence given they were created as colonies
As far as French DOM are concerned they decided through referenda to become integral part of France. In fact the most recent one is Mayotte. In 2009 more than 95% of the people from Mayotte voted to become a new department of France.
Tell someone from Martinique or Guadeloupe they are not French at your own peril!
Overseas are completely french, with a french culture. They don't want to be independent and never will. The only exception is new Caledonia which is not fully integrated to France, doesn't use the same currency and is inhabited by half french and half Kanak people.
@@brewen_lmrch Never say never, keeping long distance large territories is not easy in the long term, not economically and not politically.
@@franstar1730 Yes I understand your point of view. But I don't see how and why french Guyana would like to take it independence in this century. One of my friend is from there and he also told me "But why ?? What could that change ? We would still be at the same place, speaking the same language and doing the same things"
A federated Europe would be interesting since it would contain federations. For example Germany.
Well, the UK is a country that contains 4 countries so that idea isn't as crazy as you think!
"transnistria may become a country"
ukraine-russo current situation:u sure bout that
Gibraltar cannot be independent. It would go against the Treaty of Utrecht. It must either be Spanish or English, but never independent.
Will they care about that ?
@@1000eau Yes, we definitely would
@@1000eau
Spain will, I assure you
Gibraltar Britain land and Ceuta melilla canaris Moroccan lands. Great Britain, don't worry, we'll fight for you
@@moncef9778 ?
You have forgotten Srpska, which is currently part of Bosnia and Herzegovina, despite the fact that more than 90% of inhabitants want to be independent.
Srpska je Srbija
@@sriyasodharmma4021 Shut up
If it becomes independence, I’m literally gonna cut Bosnia out of all my maps. The borders woud look discounting
Dream on Serbian nationalists. Something built on genocide and ethnic cleansing of non-Serbs cannot be independent nor legitimate.
@@alengrm7488 make me
If I was in school, I am not memorizing that new Europe map
Our boi finds map from Reddit 😂
Very interesting video. I love discovering new countries/regions. Can you link the map of nations of Europe from this video?
What will Europe like on 2025? It will look like europe
no shit sherlock
@UC2-PkjRPiKqSToVIBCSNJ_A Muslim is a religion not a race
@@kbx2. r/woooosh
Only with lots more immigrants.
@@albinakemet2728 True
Smooth transition into the sponsor ;)
honestly micro states have a lot of benefits, Flanders has a similar population to Scotland or Denmark or Sweden, and is smack in the middle of the blue banana, the original and stil strongest economic axis of the EU, which strangely comes down to what was once lotharingia
11:00 Gibraltar won’t go independent. They voted 99% to stay with the UK in 2002. That isn’t going to happen
Plus theres the treaty of Utrecht. Gibraltar cannot be independent. It has to be Spanish or British.
@@Chrischi3TutorialLPs Yes. I don’t see them going to Spain. They have their own unique identity the Gibraltarians.
@@Chrischi3TutorialLPs Surely Spanish politicians prefer Gibraltar became an independent micro state like Andorra rather than have it remain a self governing British territory. If Spain wants that, they can agree to forgo their right to claim Gibraltar if Britain gives up sovereignty.
@@cricketman1322 Gibraltar stronk
@@Dave_Sisson I don't think a fully independent Gibraltar is all that useful to Spain even if it were legally possible. It may even make things worse diplomatically.
At least at the moment Spain is still able to earn global sympathy points by claiming Gibraltar is an indignation inflicted on the Spanish people by an unrepentant, Imperialist Britain (being careful not to mention Ceuta of course). It's an argument that works surprisingly well. However if Gibraltar were an independent microstate, Spain's constant pressure tactics would start to look not like standing up to an old imperialist, but like a bunch of bullies picking on the little guy.
All that said, I'm British but I've personally nothing against the idea of power sharing between Britain and Spain. It really makes no difference to me either way. But if the Gibraltarians say no to that, then it's their call. If they ever voted to return to Spain, then they go with my blessing at least.
Weirdly, Gibraltar has now been British longer than it was Spanish. The Spanish captured it from the Moors in 1462, and lost it to Britain in 1713. That makes 251 years. Britain held it from 1713 to the present date making 307 years.
French person here: It's extremely unlikely that Brittany becomes independent in the next few decades. Even if it's technically a Celtic nation, and it has been independent from France during centuries, now Breton nationalism is kind of at its lowest, most of them prefer to stick with France, plus gaining independence wouldn't be that beneficial for them.
Same with the UK. We’re not dissolving any time soon... ditto France. Strong nuclear powers.
@@NZAnimeManga It's different with the UK. There's a much stronger cultural difference and will for independence between England and the other Celtic nations
True. Independentists movements in Brittany are below 5% at the latest regional elections and it is decreasing
@@NZAnimeManga nah idk about that, Scottish independence polls are at the highest in recent history at 55%, and welsh independence polls are at 30%, the same level that Scottish polls were before their referendum
@@fauteuil1046 so you support them?
There was probably a video very similar to this one in 2015, which said that this map would be a reality in 2020.
Just to clarify: Gibraltar can't grant independence if UK get disolved, in that case the administration rights return to Spain. UK has Gibraltar as perpetual rent territory status but with some conditions and one of them if the UK can't transfer the terrotory or conceed independence without Spain authorization and that's the reaseon why UK did not include Gibraltar into Brexit deal, they need Spain authorization for some decisions.
There's no way Venice will ever obtain independence. They don't care about self-determination, they just don't want to pay taxes
I am from Veneto, and saying "we just don't want to pay taxes" is just an insult to us. You should say, we don't want to pay taxes to a State (Italy) which easily waste huge amount of our sacrifices. If you don't like Veneto, just promote our leaving. But the fact is, Italy without Veneto (and I include Lombardy too), it would collapse. We want an efficient and fair State, not a mafia State.
Taxes was enough of a reason for the U.S. revolution.
The intro: UK may split up, Gibraltar might want independence. BLALLANALALABLA
Agreed, its a load of tosh..This really is a very lefty thread. more snowflakes than a blizzard...
The Freddie Heineken plan. Creating smaller states between 5 and 8 million inhabitants.
The Veneto referendum was in 2017 and it was not an unofficial referendum, far from it, the Italian constitution provides for this form of suffrage which was consultative. And the referendum itself was not for the independence of the Veneto, but for regional autonomy, which is also envisaged by the fifth title of our constitution. secession and independence are not even imaginable.
Everyone: Falling apart
Greece: Guys, are you ok?
@Demy Troy why from nowhere, it has an greek ethnik mayority?
@Demy Troy in ur dreams
Don't forget the crisis in Greek started in 2009, triggered by the turmoil of the world-wide Great Recession, structural weaknesses in the Greek economy
@@kinglion717 it may have somezhing to do with that i just woke up 😅, but are you sure your comment is related to mine?
The open borders within the EU have greatly reduced the impetus to change borders within the EU.
yes, but at the same time there are plenty of states with huge differences in their regions. fixing problems in those areas goes like this: the town has an issue and asks region for a help. region asks for money from country funds. the country can't help fully for some reason. the country asks eu. each of these steps takes forever to happen because things have to go through evaluations so many times.
meanwhile if there was a centralized system and the town needed something to fix the issue, they would ask the region as before. but if the region can't help, they could go right up to the eu, skipping several national layers of buirocracy. also, if the similar issue has been happening across the country border in neighbouring region, instead of going region to country to neighbour country to neighbour region, regions could deal with the issue cross country on their own, again, without months of waiting for diplomatic resolve between higher leaders because InTeRnAtIoNaL pOlItIcS. this is causing a lot of problems in slovakia/hungaria area and politicians use it as an excuse to mess with one another on an international level despite people only wanting a little bridge across the border river between 2 willages to begin with. i'm pretty sure that it would be handy in many many other similar situations
@@sillyjellyfish2421 Well, it is always best to organize something on the lowest reasonable level of politics. This minimizes overhead and speeds things up considerably. Sadly that is not always implemented this way. We all have to live with some absurdities of politics and administration.
However, these cities will directly apply for money from the EU. It does not need to pass all levels of administration. I would guess they usually apply for regional, national, and EU funds in parallel.
There will never be a centralized system in the EU as we have in France or the UK. Even if the EU would become a country if would be more like Germany or Switzerland, but even this is quire far off.
What is actually happening is the harmonization of laws and that is very useful and quite difficult.
Now, I am sure that building this bridge between two countries would be far more difficult outside of the EU. The harmonization of traffic rules and building standards is very beneficial for such a project.
Thumbnail for this post: Wales voted to leave the EU too, so why does every piece of EU properganda include Wales outside the UK and inside the EU?
Even if Scotland gained independence, it would be a minimum 10 years to reach EU application status, that's assuming they can float a working currency in such a short time, and find investors who will accept it's short-term existence? There isn't any realism in any of this fantasizing about the EU in the future.
Northern Ireland should reunify in my opinion. If that counts?
But the EU isn't the answer to anything, it's only a matter of time before everyone realises just how dangerous the organisation is...
A hell of a lot of brits already realised. The EU showed how corrupt they was regarding the vaccine. Trying to decide where and who it went to. Even making it hard for it to get to the uk transport wise. Needs scrapping. Just a nazi party under a different banner
When Scotland's economy is larger than 12 current EU members, and larger by GDP per capita than 17 of them, it just shows how ridiculous it is to say they can't set up and maintain a working economy.
If Scotland gains independence it won't be plain sailing but it's far from a de facto failed state.
@@jono_cc2258 you could also look at how bad the EU is if Scotland is better than 17 of 27 EU member states. It explains their €40 billion budget hole (and growing)... Coincidentally the rest of the UK is supporting Scotland to the tune of £41 billion a year!
Not to mention that Scotland's deficit rise by 8% last year - and guess how much that is??? Over £36 billion and rising... Equivalent to 22% GDP...
@@daveofyorkshire301 interesting take I guess, I would point out that Scotland did have a surplus for over 4 decades which is often forgotten about. Add in that the UK as a whole borrows far more than the devolved nations spend and it's a case of the UK borrowing more than it raises every year.
England doesn't support Scotland as it too borrows every year as well, it just doesn't have a handy breakdown. We need to fix the underlying issues of government waste, that's the real concern not about paper deficits that mean nothing in reality.
@@jono_cc2258 I wasn't claiming the UK or England are debt free, we too have a 12.5% deficit and about £250-300billion current debts (inclusive of Scottish debt).. from 2016-2021 it rose from about £77billion with COVID taking a huge chunk... But this topic is about Scotland isn't it, and Scotland is still handing money out like water, over a billion in £500 per household handouts whilst the rest of the UK pays for it...
Corsica annexed to Italy, Crimea independent, Independent French overseas territories, United Kingdom dissolution, Cyprus recaptures the whole island
So the independence of Veneto was a Salvini project that does not exist more, as well as the independence of Padania (North Italy)
2042: Everyone Wants independence in Spain
The Dutch: Here we go fighting again!
2122: Dutch are independent again.
Joke on you but it seems like it. The Spanish government is trying to centralize more and more and its a very diverse country and a lot of regions aren't liking it.
The chances of an independent Catalan state being peacefully created is highly unlikely, even with a vote in favor of independence, a veto from the Spanish government would cancel the opportunity of independence. As COVID takes its toll on Europe the region's separatism has been seeing slowdowns.
hey man, i think you pointed at the shetland islands when talking about the faroe islands xD might wanna fix that or something
As a Swede, let me say this about the map at 12:35, the Jämtland Republic is an actual joke, an independent Skåne might as well be, and I don't think Sápmi goes so far south. Fun map nonetheless!
You’ve mislabelled the Shetland Islands as the Faroes. Shetland is currently part of Scotland. The Faroes are more to the west and are often omitted on maps of this scale.
Can I just say that I am British and I was too young to vote in the eu referendum like many others. I just want to say to our EU friends and partners and to any European or non European people reading this that on behalf of the 48% of the country who voted for remain in 2016, we are very ashamed and sad about brexit and our leader's stance on brexit.
Furthermore, I, like many others who are still too young to vote, we are overwhelmingly pro-EU. I hold in my heart that one day we will rejoin our great and close friends in the EU. We love you and we will miss you!🇬🇧❤️🇪🇺
I was too young to vote on Brexit too but did vote labour in the general election to try and block it :(
@@Syrupeye I couldn't vote then either.
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I agree Peter, let the real Europhiles move over there. I never supported going in the 1st place, so glad we're out. @Peter Hicks
European Union: Am I a joke to you
Yes you are
Yes.
EU =
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Nope u.u
Europe is WAY too diverse to unite, that's like saying Asia should unite, while Japan and Syria are COMPLETELY different
If Benelux became a thing, what would happen to their monarchs? Would they be removed, reign over their country but still be part of Benelux, like how the holy roman Empire worked, or would they just chooses a new monarch from one of the families to rule over it or have the three monarchs rule together? I don't know how the people in these countries feel about their monarchs, so if anyone who is reading this is from these countries, let me know how you feel. Also I don't know how much power they have in their country, so let me know about that too if anyone knows.
To put some Balkan fuss in here :D
There is something that you might have missed, and I guess it is the most supported possibility of them all (but not peacefully possible). The entity of Serbs Republic in Bosnia has a big independence movement. Some vote (illegal) resulted in 70-ish % of people supporting the idea. If Kosovo's independence gains full recognition and even joins Albania (very dangerous and improbable), it would create a very bad situation in the regions, since it would make Bosnian Serbs keen to seek independence and even unification...
And wars started in Balkans usually do not end up well for anyone...
As everyone wants peace, most of this region will probably stay the same as it is now... poor and complicated
Serbs will not have their zoo on our Croatian soil, all of Bosnia is Croatia
@@vavovidnica I doubt everyone will just sit idly by. Especially Russia.
@@elseggs6504 Russia, hahahaha.
Thanks for that joke, you made my day better.
Wish you and the Russians the best!
its not just republic of srpska in bosnia, there is also ilirida in north macedonia, its majority populated by albanians and in macedonia there are estimated 900k albanians out of 2M total population of the country so as you said if kosovo and albania unite which may happen republic of sprska would want independance or unification with serbia and then ilirida would want the same then croats in bosnia aswell and shit gonna go to another balkan war.
@@gigasigma8373 then you'd also have Serbs resisting in the North. Its more likely to have the United States hand over Boston to Canada, which is definetly not gonna happen.