LIV is not struggling for viewership. Based on the being a startup they have indicated all of their metrics have been exceeded, including viewership and the metrics tradition golf doeant measure is streams and clicks.
They can have YT channels as long as they don't do any videos of them playing golf. Ask Bryson. He did a video of a week in the life at a tournament and he ended up in trouble with the PGA. He didn't show any golf, he showed himself eating breakfast, etc. He commented in one of his subsequent videos that he got in trouble for it. I believe the limits are detailed in the media rights waiver the players have to sign every year.
I watch every LIV event. It’s enjoyable to me. Unless the PGA is having a premier event, like a major or The Players, I usually don’t watch it. The constant yammering of the announcers drive me crazy. I don’t need to have every stinking detail explained to me like I’m a 4 yr old. I don’t need to hear from the player while they are in the course. Just have a couple of people talking about concise topics, and things like yardage and such. I don’t want to hear 8 people running their mouths for the whole telecast. Then, you have to suffer thru 4000 commercials, but that goes for most sports nowadays. It’s almost getting painful to try and watch sports without recording them first.
PGA TOUR is way too political for it's own good. OWGR also political. Some of same people. They are protecting the status quo good ole boys. Follow the money.
I think a big reason is guys wanted a change from the same old boring PGA. How the players and caddies are treated on LIV is entirely different. LIV is golf but louder
The thing you don't understand is it's not that LIV "took" the personalities. It's really that the only ones who are independent thinkers and have strong, interesting personalities are the ones with balls enough to make the move. The PGA is left with boring Mommy's boys. Basically Conservatives vs Liberals, in my opinion.
even the college players get NIL but the pga denies the players that right,,,,,pga told Bryson they were going to sue him...Bryson said that in a interview....
Sergio is now starting his own youtube channel. But I disagree with your assertion that PGA players can start a youtube channel. Technically, they could. But plenty of players have received copyright takedown, sanctions, threats of suspension, loss of sponsor, fines, etc. So it's a difference without a distinction. And there's the flip side that the sponsors dictate what you can do. There's plenty of older youtube videos with DJ on various channels and it's clear he HATES it.
How does LIV profit? I don't think you get how Pro Sports leagues work they need to bring in profit eventually and they are just throwing free money away that makes elite golfers worse....other than Bryson they all been ass. You can tell Rahm Brooks when they play LIV they hate it hahah.
The PGA Tour is in trouble. If they weren’t in trouble, why would they even bother entertaining a conversation with LIV? Why does the Golf Channel constantly berate LIV if they don’t matter? Why do they have the Bopsey Twins, Chamblee and Eamon Lynch, running their traps about LIV on the daily? If LIV is irrelevant, why are they paying so much attention to it? The answer is that the PGA Tour average viewer age is nearing ancient. Eventually the sponsorships and cash is going to stop flowing as much. Monahan is going to have to open the books and stop hiding.
Did sports psychology (specifically for golf) strip away some of the personality? Tiger, Bryson and more than a few others may thrive from being amped up and pumping up the crowd, but most pros probably make great efforts to stay calm and relaxed.
There is no deal and there will be no deal because the PGA Tour does not want a deal. They want to continue their monopoly position. They (the weaker party) thinks they can wait out the stronger parts and convince all remaining players to stay and perhaps pluck a few LIV players back such as Rahm, DJ, Smith, DeChambeau and Koepka.
The difference is the pga tour guys are playing 20-25 tournaments, they don't have time. I agree with the he has more time(Bryson). I'm sure there is stuff in there contracts that limit what they can say and not say including RUclips which they feel is not the effort to do. They rather practice and get with there instructors or family at home.
I think that they should make LIV the top tour and the rest feeder tours to it But they have to merge to do it They can play anywhere they want But the premier league be LIV with most money to players and rest doesn’t have to be so much
LIV already offered PGAE to run it and their first response was to dismantle LIV. The PGAT ban is what's causing the division. Just get rid of the ban and everything goes back to normal.
Watching a LIV tournament is like watching a member member tournament. Even the announcers get lost they have so much going on. All they need is the beer carts for a good club event.. what a joke. DJ looks like he would rather be somewhere else.
Actually I like the split. More choice, different style, and competition has caused both sides to be more innovative. The PGA tour monopoly was a terrible boring product, and apart from the money, disliked by most of it’s players. We only need the top guts to come together 5 to 10 times a year. The all don’t want to play 25 tournaments anyway.
Negotiations are stalling because of Monahan. You cannot have a Liv hater negotiate with the people you hate. Dunne saw that and bailed. Until Monahan leaves, this will continue. I bet the American conglomerate of money backers want to bail too seeing how he is.
I think it’s less about individual players and more about the divide in general that is hurting the game all the big names are at majors which is what most fans care about. Most fans don’t miss 99% of the guys who play for liv and especially during regular tournaments so to say that that this guy or that guy is the reason for anything is wrong.
Watching LIv you miss quite a few guys. Watching signature pga tour events same thing. But the rest of the pga tour events are deeerly missing names. Even when a big name wins, the event is not worth it because they beat very few big names.
Don’t care about Phil Hasbeenickleson anymore. Use to love him. Thanks for phucking this up Phil. Now go play for $100K a hole. Maybe try a 12 Step program.
I’ve been watching the pga for 35 years and Phil was my favourite watching him turn in to a true legend
Bryson won me over in his first Ryder Cup, when he sat in the stands with the fans opening day, he didn’t play in the morning, it was Awesome.
The 3 heavyweights in golf… Brooks, Bryson and Rahm are box office whenever they tee it up .( the PGA is so so aware of this)
LIV is a league that exists for the fans, PGA tour is a "non profit" that exists to enrich the board and Jay.
LIV is not struggling for viewership. Based on the being a startup they have indicated all of their metrics have been exceeded, including viewership and the metrics tradition golf doeant measure is streams and clicks.
Yep. It's a bs talking point that nobody is watching
The PGA needs to get rid of Monahan...end of story.
I don’t feel robbed, I watch LIV and see the guys I like, on the PGA there is only a couple guys I follow
They can have YT channels as long as they don't do any videos of them playing golf. Ask Bryson. He did a video of a week in the life at a tournament and he ended up in trouble with the PGA. He didn't show any golf, he showed himself eating breakfast, etc. He commented in one of his subsequent videos that he got in trouble for it. I believe the limits are detailed in the media rights waiver the players have to sign every year.
I watch every LIV event. It’s enjoyable to me. Unless the PGA is having a premier event, like a major or The Players, I usually don’t watch it. The constant yammering of the announcers drive me crazy. I don’t need to have every stinking detail explained to me like I’m a 4 yr old. I don’t need to hear from the player while they are in the course. Just have a couple of people talking about concise topics, and things like yardage and such. I don’t want to hear 8 people running their mouths for the whole telecast. Then, you have to suffer thru 4000 commercials, but that goes for most sports nowadays. It’s almost getting painful to try and watch sports without recording them first.
I think the LIV product is better than the PGA tour.
PGA TOUR is way too political for it's own good. OWGR also political. Some of same people. They are protecting the status quo good ole boys. Follow the money.
I got 2 full event passes at LIV Houston for less than a 1 day pass at the PGA championship. Where is the greed???
LIV is where I went, Get rig of Monahan and everything would work itself out.
I watch quite a bit of RUclips golf. More than a few times I have seen RUclipsrs in a pro am. They weren't allowed to show the pro swing a club.
Yep Grant and J Day. I couldn't believe it
Truly believe the missed players on the PGA tour are Bryson and Brooks and Rahm. Why do people keep putting DJ in that group?
Why are you guys so pro PGA always bashing LIV just give a non bias report
I think a big reason is guys wanted a change from the same old boring PGA. How the players and caddies are treated on LIV is entirely different. LIV is golf but louder
The thing you don't understand is it's not that LIV "took" the personalities. It's really that the only ones who are independent thinkers and have strong, interesting personalities are the ones with balls enough to make the move. The PGA is left with boring Mommy's boys. Basically Conservatives vs Liberals, in my opinion.
even the college players get NIL but the pga denies the players that right,,,,,pga told Bryson they were going to sue him...Bryson said that in a interview....
Sergio is now starting his own youtube channel. But I disagree with your assertion that PGA players can start a youtube channel. Technically, they could. But plenty of players have received copyright takedown, sanctions, threats of suspension, loss of sponsor, fines, etc. So it's a difference without a distinction. And there's the flip side that the sponsors dictate what you can do. There's plenty of older youtube videos with DJ on various channels and it's clear he HATES it.
Got my tickets for LIV Nashville cannot wait!
Sack everyone who runs the PGA as of now
Ignoring the obvious again.
The PGA Tour NEEDS the merger.
LIV is doing just fine.
How does LIV profit? I don't think you get how Pro Sports leagues work they need to bring in profit eventually and they are just throwing free money away that makes elite golfers worse....other than Bryson they all been ass. You can tell Rahm Brooks when they play LIV they hate it hahah.
You got it backwards. Liv isn’t doing fine they need the stars more than the pga tour does. Liv won’t last another 5 years without a merger.
The PGA Tour is in trouble. If they weren’t in trouble, why would they even bother entertaining a conversation with LIV? Why does the Golf Channel constantly berate LIV if they don’t matter? Why do they have the Bopsey Twins, Chamblee and Eamon Lynch, running their traps about LIV on the daily? If LIV is irrelevant, why are they paying so much attention to it? The answer is that the PGA Tour average viewer age is nearing ancient. Eventually the sponsorships and cash is going to stop flowing as much. Monahan is going to have to open the books and stop hiding.
Well...we miss one of those guys! Bryson nicname should be SHOWTIME.
Did sports psychology (specifically for golf) strip away some of the personality? Tiger, Bryson and more than a few others may thrive from being amped up and pumping up the crowd, but most pros probably make great efforts to stay calm and relaxed.
There is no deal and there will be no deal because the PGA Tour does not want a deal. They want to continue their monopoly position. They (the weaker party) thinks they can wait out the stronger parts and convince all remaining players to stay and perhaps pluck a few LIV players back such as Rahm, DJ, Smith, DeChambeau and Koepka.
Dude in the black cap talks too much and keeps cutting white cap off.
I'd subscribe if it wasn't a 1 man show with a dude sitting watching you.
45 of the 48 livplayers are not worth watching. Exhibition golf does not prepare any of them for the pga tour let alone majors
You're still sticking with that narrative? What a fool.
The difference is the pga tour guys are playing 20-25 tournaments, they don't have time. I agree with the he has more time(Bryson). I'm sure there is stuff in there contracts that limit what they can say and not say including RUclips which they feel is not the effort to do. They rather practice and get with there instructors or family at home.
I think that they should make LIV the top tour and the rest feeder tours to it
But they have to merge to do it
They can play anywhere they want
But the premier league be LIV with most money to players and rest doesn’t have to be so much
LIV already offered PGAE to run it and their first response was to dismantle LIV. The PGAT ban is what's causing the division. Just get rid of the ban and everything goes back to normal.
@@alienrendersagree. They don’t need to merge.
Bryson said when you sign with the pga it is for 52 weeks,you have to get permission to play anywhere else..independent contractor Bullshit!
LIV is more entertaining to me
Watching a LIV tournament is like watching a member member tournament. Even the announcers get lost they have so much going on. All they need is the beer carts for a good club event.. what a joke. DJ looks like he would rather be somewhere else.
Actually I like the split. More choice, different style, and competition has caused both sides to be more innovative. The PGA tour monopoly was a terrible boring product, and apart from the money, disliked by most of it’s players. We only need the top guts to come together 5 to 10 times a year. The all don’t want to play 25 tournaments anyway.
Negotiations are stalling because of Monahan. You cannot have a Liv hater negotiate with the people you hate. Dunne saw that and bailed. Until Monahan leaves, this will continue. I bet the American conglomerate of money backers want to bail too seeing how he is.
Bruson got warned by pga about his content
Why did they invite blandly in the first place
Same reason they invited Bryson & others to PGA - he deserved it
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all good points
the longer the merger takes the shorter the pga tour will survive
I think it’s less about individual players and more about the divide in general that is hurting the game all the big names are at majors which is what most fans care about. Most fans don’t miss 99% of the guys who play for liv and especially during regular tournaments so to say that that this guy or that guy is the reason for anything is wrong.
Watching LIv you miss quite a few guys. Watching signature pga tour events same thing. But the rest of the pga tour events are deeerly missing names. Even when a big name wins, the event is not worth it because they beat very few big names.
Leave the Leave players where they are! The current PGA Tour is awesome as is!🙏
Lol
The PGA Tour has plenty of drama, but it's just not being covered...Case in point, Rory leaving his wife for CBS's Amanda B.
Don’t care about Phil Hasbeenickleson anymore. Use to love him. Thanks for phucking this up Phil. Now go play for $100K a hole. Maybe try a 12 Step program.