The Batman SPOILER REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 6 мар 2022
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I liked the scenes where Batman screws up. Like when he gets to the top of the police station he gets a little scared out the height for a sec. then gets nailed by the bridge trying to use the wing suit. And did anyone else see that he stalls the batmobile right before he takes off after penguin? I loved that stuff
I've seen people argue on the Batmobile part that he was revving and popping the brakes to further intimidate. The introduction of the vehicle, the slow windup of the turbine, that was so awesomely intense. That being said your view is what I had as well in the flow of the scene. At that moment watching I was like "wait, did he just drop the clutch and kill the engine?!" and then the chase ensued so I didn't think on it further.
My favourite scene was when he was in the police station, it was like a lion surrounded by hyenas.
Perfect way to describe it
This movie made the Nolan trilogy feel really ‘clean’. This grimier, darker version is a refreshing take on superhero films.
Always disliked how sterile they felt.
That, and the fight scenes in that trilogy were so underwhelming - not to mention the garbage that was Rises.
The Batman, to me, is superior in basically every way
@@terryhaircastle5702 i agree wholeheartedly except for one thing which this could be down to personal preference 100% but in my opinion i think the dark knight trilogy had and will have the best batman soundtrack. But The Batmans soundtrack is easily like inches away from 1st place for me
My beef with the Nolan trilogy is the cheesy drama. “Why do we fall, Bruce?” “He’s the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs.” They’re such unnatural lines that are trying to evoke an emotional response in the audience.
The bat suit looked hokey at times set in this David Fincher Se7en world
I think you guys truly understood this younger and inexpert Batman. Also, his relationship with Alfred. I mean, we alk felt like there is something missing there, but he was avoiding himself to express love for Alfred. At the end he changes due to the fear of him possibly dying. I believe, if they do another movie, we'll see this duet as we know it
Oh…..we getting a 2nd!
Well said.
@@-MrFozzy- - Yes sir.
I loved his relationship (or lack there of with Alfred) I think it was done purposely to not really have him show much appreciation or care forAlfred until he almost was killed. That bed scene was so emotional and it was honestly one of favorite parts of the movie. So many layers to that relationship. I love how uncomfortable Batman feels when he’s just regular Bruce Wayne. He can tell he feels naked and uncomfortable outside the suit
Every scene was retarded, watch it again, all the cops shooting at Batman on the prevent like not worrying about innocent bystanders.. cat woman grabbing a gun like a gangster to kill her own dad, when a bomb exploded in Batman’s face and then he wakes up and starts beating up the cops has to be one of the most retarded scenes ever, apparently Alfred also survived a bomb but they always show him in the hospital while Batman cries to him about his own dad… I can go on and on.. oh and not to mention the obvious how the riddler character was complete butchered.. the penguin is taller than Batman? and obviously Batman is too small to play batman. Everything was butchered in the movie
A lot of people complained about Battinson not being stealthy enough, how he basically advertised his presence with booming footsteps and I think they missed the point. Batman at the start is obsessed with striking fear into the criminal heart, so it’s almost like he’s building his own anticipation by letting him be heard long before he’s seen. He’s really just getting as much dread out of every thug he meets before showing his face
It was unclear weather the people saw him as a good guy at this point. He struck fear into the hearts of criminals but even the cops and civilians were uneasy around him. The film had already established him as the cities defender with the bat signal but it seemed like nobody knew his intentions.
Also RobBat is pretty stealthy when he cuts the power in the club and uses that darkness to his advantage.
@@qfnoyvoy6353 that was one of my favourite scenes! When he just slides behind the twin guarding the door and he’s none the wiser
People are going to complain….they just can’t help it. We who love the movie will never understand them. I pity them if they don’t enjoy it.
@@ijeleo92 that's the point
Finally someone else acknowledges when the cop says “now I have you on assaulting an officer” and this absolute mad man responds “No, you have me on assaulting 3” such a badass response favorite line in the movie
Yes exactly...that's so batman 🦇🦇💯
It was awesome...
He’s that madlad the villains fear and Gotham needs
That opening scene with the alley and music was top tier!
I like how it feels like this Batman is going to have to learn how to be Bruce Wayne. That is super cool to me.
That’s consistent with what Riddler said about himself and Batman - the mask is who they really are, not the person behind it
Amen
Penguin was played absolutely perfectly by Colin Farrell, balance of terror and humour was on point, really hope he’s an overarching villain in the next couple of films as well
I knew it was him, but I honestly thought I'd made a mistake...he was that good.
Colin Farrell's Penguin is getting his own HBOMAX series so yeah, the studio loves his portrayal as well.
For me Batman has always been the least interesting part of the Batman movies as his antagonists are always much more intriguing. This movie really made me realize that I don’t just love the Batman universe but I love the Batman character too, I just hadn’t seen a depiction of him in live action that I really liked. Christian Bale for example is obviously a great actor but his Batman looks kinda goofy to me. Robert Pattinson’s version made me so much more interested in the character, I love all the quiet eye-acting, there’s so much emotion shown just through looks and I’m really fascinated by this Bruce Wayne that hasn’t figured out the persona yet and hasn’t dealt with his trauma. (It’s my favorite suit as well, thank god they made his jaw fully visible and not just the chin)
Totally agree with you. There is something about his silence and stillness that is so powerful in a way no other actor portrayed before, something that even transcends his acting. Pattinson said in an interview that it was kind funny how people on the set acted differently around him when he was wearing Batman's suit. That says a lot about the signature he put into the character.
People had problems with Paul Dano's performance, what?? This is literally the first time I hear anyone even suggesting that. He was easily one of the standout performances in the movie, and in every review I read or listened to, they all said just that. The interrogation scene alone. Amazing.
Ya it wasnt
Yeah I LOVED Paul Dano's performance, it was campy at points but that worked for me, I really enjoyed the hyper-realism and comic-bookish vibes they captured in this adaptation.
Yeah, I don’t know where they’re seeing these negative outlooks of him. Everything I’ve seen has been positive.
Literally
I feel Bruce's disconnection from Alfred stemmed more from him being a victim of loss and trauma rather than as psychopathy. I recognised a lot of my own disconnection from humans following a loss in the performance. Still I get what you guys mean as there is heavy implication Batman and The Riddler are so similar, Batman just isn't a killer.
It’s interesting how so many people read this version of the character differently and it’s fascinating to read the differing takes.
The Soup guys said Batman ignoring Selina’s concerns about sending her into the club was just that, him ignoring her. But I read it as he looks into her eyes, touches her face and the silence between them - to me anyway - was like a silent promise that he’d make sure she wouldn’t get hurt.
Maybe I’m wrong but I just like that so many scenes have different interpretations depending on what the viewer is going in with!
Normally the story is Bruce Wayne learning how to be batman. And while that's here too, this seems to be a batman series that will have batman learning how to be Bruce Wayne. And I appreciate that.
You guys are my favorite on the internet. You have a good balance of being technical and also just enjoying what you're reviewing.
Had to go back to the cinema the next day and watch it again. And I haven’t stopped thinking about it since. Safe to say I thoroughly enjoyed this.
I was so impressed when I watched it the first time and booked again immediately!! Watched it back to back!! I jst luv this movie so much.
When his cape turns into a whole body wingsuit, I thought that was so brilliant and made so much sense. He also struggles to steer himself and eats shit. Love that whole scene
This was a Batman movie for Batman fans. I watched it with my brothers and my old man (who's the biggest batman fan I've ever known) and we just couldn't stop smiling at ALL of the Long Halloween elements throughout, the Falcone scenes especially. Hat's off to John Turturro for doing the character justice
y’all always have the best reviews
This movie was so refreshing. More of this DC, more! Also loved the cinematography
Amazing what can happen when the "studio" doesn't interfere
In Man of Steel, a movie I really like, Supes didn't become Clark Kent (getting the daily planet job) until the end credits. And that was enough just like this movie.
This podcast is TOO DAMN LONG (I love it!)
I watched the movie 4 times and on each successive viewing it just gets better man personally Robert Pattinson is my favourite live action batman period 🦇💯
I view Bruce’s disconnection from Alfredo and those around him less as psychopathic tendencies and more of angsty teen syndrome lol. Bruce’s traumatic experience of watching his parents die has stunted his growth (amongst other things). Matt Reeves also did an interview where he mentions how he dove deeply into psychological theories and phenomena for Bruce this time around which just further cements my idea of regression and stunted growth. I mean, he even has the “it’s not a phase mom!” hair cut lol. I genuinely believe that this new installment of Batman movies will be about Bruce’s self actualization.
Spotted it too. Firmly believe it will
I mean, he literally tells Alfred "you're not my dad" I viewed it as him trying so hard not to let anyone in. Especially later when he basically says as much in the hospital. He's afraid of caring about someone and losing them.
Oh fuck yeah. Get in my veins Soup Daddy.
HAHA
I find it really interesting that the villains in this movie never fear Batman. Street thugs do but the penguin, riddler, and Carmine Falcone never fear Batman. I took that as Batman never really caring to get to know the real problems in Gotham. Carmine and penguin especially are at the heart of the corruption in the city and he’s only taking them down because riddler is leading them on the path to doing it. Great movie, I love how it has elements of year one and the long Halloween.
What a great Batman movie. Been thinking about it since Thursday.
Hey Aaron, buddy, it’s pronounced “Rid-ler” not “Rid-eh-ler” lol.
Also you are correct about cats and milk. It really isn’t good for them.
They should have had a mode where the contacts turn the eyes white.
I don’t know how I didn’t notice until I read this but now I can’t not hear it.
Also, as long as it’s only a mode that he can turn on or off. There’s a bunch of expression in them eyes.
@@ocskope yeah it’d be just a mode, like enhanced night vision. I agree, seeing the eye expressions are important, but the white eyes could be used in certain situations. Imagine some thugs running down a dark alley, thinking they escaped Batman, only for the white eyes to start glowing in the shadows behind them.
Thank you. I love their takes and their reviews are always insightful, but every time Aaron made “Riddler” a 3-syllable word I got progressively irritated.
EXCELLENT discussion!!! You guys really “got it” and appreciated it and it’s such a pleasure to listen to you!!! I’ve already seen it 3 times!! My jaw dropped when you mentioned that Paul Dano’s performance has received some criticism, that is just unbelievable … he was phenomenal!!!!
Literally just finished watching it. Ooooooooooooooooo It was just perfect….!!! Also I think the riddler will come back and possibly have a ‘better suit’. Also, I hope joker is a force in the next one….I don’t envy that actor…but I think it will be incredible, going by this movie…also, I really liked Gordon in this, he’s an amazing actor. But there was a few very strange delivery in a few places, the scene when Batman escapes by punching him especially…but I think that wasn’t the actor, so much as the character. The character was playing that point as a bad actor if that makes sense. Also also….best batmobile ever, best portrayal of Batman for me.
Maaaan. Watching this movie made me feel like a child again. I was instantly transported to when used to catch the animated series re runs. This is a top 5 movie that I’ve seen in the past decade.
as someone else said, the moment he fell into the water and lead everyone out using the flare that was a form of baptism for bruce Wayne to truly transform him into the batman we know
To answer the question about giving milk to cats - Do not give cats milk. Cats are lactose intolerant and can only drink cats milk until they're weaned off of it.
The only pretty big complaint I had was the Riddler’s rationale with the orphan jealousy bit. While watching I thought maybe the Riddler was connected to the journalist that Wayne “had killed”and that was his motive to kill Bruce and expose the lies. That would’ve been a stronger and more direct back story. Strong character, weak motive in my opinion. Other than that I absolutely loved the film.
I believe the Riddler's 'orphan jealously' seemed to stem from Thomas Waynes involvement with Falcone and how the son of a 'corrupt' Mayoral candidate ends up living 'posh' compared to the suffering Edward and orphans like him suffering from the results from the Gotham Renewal.
I really enjoyed the movie. It's a very new take in all the Batman movies. The joke I really like is how Batman calmly say "thumb.... drive." His tone really cracked me up.
Great review as ever guys. Especially the point about “not enough Bruce Wayne”. He’s in his second year. He’s consumed with being the bat, he refers to himself as a “nocturnal animal” he has no intention of being Bruce Wayne. He doesn’t fucking care. And the movie does a great way of pointing out this flaw in him and that he should care, and can do just as much good as Bruce.
I almost felt like the unexplained relationship between Gordon and Batman seemed to imply that there was more of a story there. The way Gordon was protective of Batman throughout and that exchange of looks in the beginning when Gordon noticed Batman staring at the son of the first victim made me think, what if Gordon knows Batman is Bruce Wayne or at least suspects it. That could be really interesting, Gordon needing Batman for his skills but in return, watching Bruce sort of lose a chance of having a normal life.
Yay! Been looking forward to this one
I love that the Riddler just randomly started singing, especially since that song had been played several times before Cementing his connection to the orphanage
So glad you guys brought up the Arkham games reference. I had that feel most of the movie especially at the end when he had to take out riddlers goons. Just like one of the final acts in Arkham city
Have you guys checked out the Batman Long Halloween animated movies part 1 and 2 on HBO Max? If you haven't, watch those, then go watch The Batman again.
I am pretty sure the impliaction is that Bruce doesn't travel to learn to become Batman. He was only trained by Alfred.
I wanna say it was confirmed he traveled and trained many years but Alfred taught him since he was young to begin with idk for sure tho
@@Jablickymorant you're right , he traveled multiple colleges worldwide and also trained with the best .
Just saw yesterday, loved robbie’s batman such a cool take on the character
Batman steals the scene in every scene. And it’s his movie!
Great review and conversation, soup. Personally , I really enjoyed this one a lot. I agree, the story was a bit sloppy in places but over all, it was awesome! Keep up the good work guys 🦇
I definitely gave it five stars. Beau expressed everything I've been saying about this film. Great discussion guys 👍
36:24 I was literally just about to send this as a fan question lmao
“Those people were on the roof with Riddler” how did nobody else catch that. 😂
One of the interesting things about Batman is his rogues gallery and how they mirror him vast majorities are criminally insane and Bruce someone who is crazy but isn’t insane. I liked how The Riddler was inspired by Batman The Riddler would’ve killed people regardless but it was Batman who inspired him to essentially go big or go home and wear a mask.
I agree this Batman universe needs more than a trilogy. 6 movies basically 2 trilogies would be great.
Next movie for my non comic fans the villains and plot should be Court of Owls they are basically secret cabal of wealthy elite old money of Gotham founding families. They rule the city from the shadows shadows. They even have an army of assassins called Talons trained from childhood to be killing machines. Next movie I think Court main villains with Two-Face as a supporting villain.
I want my mans scarecrow putting fear toxin in the drops for a film!
"The Rideller"? lol XD
My favorite aspect of this movie is that it felt like an actual man in a suit, instead of some kind of a superhero.
The best thing Matt Reeves did was truncate the stories we already know...Alfred, Jim Gordan, Batman's birth in the alley. The best thing Matt Reeves could do in the next film would be to keep the Joker in Arkham.
Batman's villains are great. Because they are all dark reflections of aspects of Batman/Bruce Wayne. Riddler is the intellgence taken dark, where the Penguin is that rich and powerful aspect taken dark.
Riddler can actually return with his comic attire now that his identity is put there. Hell, even have Joker give him an old suit and jacket after a prison break.
The best movie, (or storytelling,) antagonists, villains, aren't the stereotypical twisting moustache bad guys, just acting as a foil.
There's a reason we appreciate villains like Loki, Thanos, etc.
Because they're not villains to themselves, they see themselves as the heroes of their perspective. They're there to make the heroes become better versions of themselves.
And, without the Riddler, the Batman wouldn't have improved himself. (Like Beau said.) 👍
Only seen it once but I thought up to the explosion at Wayne Tower it was a nearly perfect movie.
Does no one realize that the Riddler did the explosion on the fifth of November, the gunpowder plot
Thank you for giving this movie the recognition it deserves. I absolutely agree with both this and Dark Night being great representations of the times they were made in. Watching this has completely changed my perspective on The Dark Knight. Before I saw this movie I thought of The Dark Knight as a "dark" film but compared to this it seems so squeaky clean. That is not knocking on the Dark Knight it is just giving me a new perspective on it. I could not be more happy that they did not indulge the masses who wanted Playboy Bruce Wayne. It would not have made any sense.
When #Alfred told #BruceWayne he’d arranged a meeting at the mansion with guys from Wayne industry - Bruce was like “I don’t care about any of that” all he cares about was saving the city like his father wanted to do as mayor…
I thought “but he couldn’t be able to do what he was doing without “any of that” money from Wayne industries.
Cut-to #Batman at #Catwoman’s apartment - he see’s her PAST DUE bills -
It occurred to me that #Batman didn’t know people had bills and couldn’t pay them - maybe he never seen a bill before. He was THAT removed from our everyday struggles - that’s why he grew up committed to his #Batman persona - he’s maybe even just now realizing not everyone has a billion dollars - or what having a billion dollars even means in society. He knew
I’ve not heard anyone mention that connection - I’m hoping @NerdSoup can maybe do like a character development discussion - like in the when Alfred extends his hand out to Bruce at the hospital, you can see in that moment right before Bruce accepts the gesture he feels bad for all those years he treated Alfred as nothing but an employee.
The prequel book is so good. It is like a year 1 and u get more insight into Bruce and Edward. Its like a 2 and a half hour listen on audible
Talking about the dam? "Is NY city still like this?" *The Netherlands with the surprised Pikachu face*
you guys are more like nerd oatmeal for me - thanks for the breakfast pod
Barry Keoghan is really good in American Animals! Stacked cast for a documentary/heist movie
Batman had to be popular enough that Riddler thought if he got Batman’s attention they could clean corruption in the city together
but I don’t get why he would then destroy the city
Only Batman movie where Batman is the best character.
I think this is the best Batman movie ever made.
There I said it.
Pausing halfway to say I am very in sync with Nerd Soup's reception of the movie so far. I will say on the runtime, I loved the movie, and I love drawn out movies as well (Blade Runner 2049 and Interstellar are favorites of mine). I didn't feel the time in the movie until the Riddler was caught. That felt like the natural arc of the movie and when the next action beat happened with the bombs I checked my watch because now it felt like we were in the bonus rounds, an act 4 of sorts. I do think what happened in that 4th act worked, but there needed to be a different way to set it up so that it didn't feel like we were starting up a second episode right on the heels of the first. Maybe if they got hints of the bombs in some clues before he was arrested--so that the interrogation would have some drive/momentum to get us to the big action spectacle. That and we didn't need 3 minutes of watching them drive their motorcycles around at the end.
Could we get a review/discussion of Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker?
22:30 through there. Fuck yes, thats one of the things that I loved. He (batman) wasn't confident at being batman, but when it came down to it he is who he is and did what he had to do which is why he was dressing up in a costume and vigilanting the shit out of Gotham.
38:30 I love you guys
Haven't listened to you guys since GOT ended, glad Batman brought me back
Rid-dle-er 😂 love you guys
Haha. Thought I was the only one that noticed this.
We need to see a fight between Deathstroke and Batman just like Arkham Origins/Knights. Been waiting to see it in cinema and it better be a really good one. =D
Really enjoyed it. You truly feel Batmans growth and that Bruce Wayne hasn't been created yet.
I can totally see this new batman do a tragic take on mr freeze's story, I'd love to see that. I like the joker too but I wanna see some people we haven't gotten to see as often
Yeah for a second I thought he was going to die but I guess you could say that was the death of the pure vengeance Batman and what came out of the water was the hopeful Batman a new Batman
There are moments on this episode where it sounds like they are talking themselves into liking it
I asked the same thing about the milk lol
Yeah a lot of misunderstanding that this is Catwoman and Batman in development… so you can’t compare to prior movies. Rob and Zoe are perfection. Appreciated your review
Bale movie for fighting realism? What in gods name are you talking about.
I think Mr. Freeze is gonna make an appearance.
a movie about overcoming grief
Great film, great review
This was the first Batman movie I saw in theaters. I thought it was funny and exciting and overall interesting.
Bo, can y'all watch and review Arcane? The show's great. As an anime head you will love it. Even as a non anime head I legit loved it. Aaron especially will love the character development and story. Teddy will love the action. Wins all round
I have said this before and I really hope they see it!!
All cats love milk, but adult cats are lactose intolerant.
I love this movie so much, absolutely fantastic. Also it's year 2 so you just have to assume Gordon and batman are tight already you don't need to spend more time establishing anything for that teddy
Does anyone think he injected himself with venom during the final action sequence? I’m torn because if they have do have a trilogy as I’ve heard is planned Bane is the perfect villain for the next part but The Dark Knight Rises feels like it was too recent to use Bane.
He needs a formidable villain
I hope this has a director's cut.
It’s funny that some people are complaining about the run time. Since there is no post credit you basically get out at the same time as a Marvel movie.
“Batman and Joker are basically best friends.” Someone has been watching the Batman Lego Movie.
IT WAS GREAT
6:03 6:10 why is he pronouncing it Riddle-ler instead of Rid-ler?! 🤣
Woo lets goo
The best STAR TREK is Undiscovered Country. A mystery
To me this is the best “Batman” movie. Where the Dark Knight is great you mainly watch it because of Heath Ledger’s Joker. Where this movie focuses more on Batman and his development as a hero
This was my favorite BATMAN
Incredible movie 🎥⭐
Who says the riddler like that?
Big up Liverpool, a fine stand in for Gotham if there ever was one.
Deffo mate, the batcave is in Anfield!
Hot soup is the best soup