I once took a KLM 747-400M from ORD to AMS in the 1990s. I questioned my flight attendant regarding why the “back wall” was seemingly so far forward on the plane. He invited me and my traveling companion to have a look at the cargo section beyond the back wall’s door. Very cool! One of the two best experiences I’ve had on an aircraft! (The other was a flight deck visit in-flight [pre-11Sep2001] enroute from LGW to FUN and sighting Madeira as it popped up on the horizon.) I presume both of those experiences are out of the question today.
The main reason for the drop in combi aircraft was the newer and a lot more stringent fire regulations. This meant that the aircraft had to have newer and a lot more expensive fire suppression systems fitted. Also regulation over exactly what you are allowed to carry on a mixed passenger and freight aircraft restricts what can be carried.
Exactly. They left out the safety issues that make the market for these aircraft difficult in todays regulations. There is also the part about fixed bulkheads that is part of these regulations that can make these aircraft not as attractive or flexible.
Yup. I got to ride on Northwest Airlines' last 747 combi flight before they got rid of their combi aircraft. The rear "wall" wasn't a bulkhead. It was just a partition, and you could peek around the edges near the windows to see the cargo in back. Probably so each airline could adjust its position to tweak the ratio of passengers to cargo to best met their needs. That must've been a nightmare from a fire safety regulation standpoint.
@@AviationCommercials if you’re concerned with the cargo roaring through the partition, you’d also likely be concerned with what likely happened to the passengers in the related incident.
There is a Japanese carrier (Ryukyu Air) that recently implemented a Q400 combi. The combis (IMO) still provide a useful service for limited routes with lower passenger/higher freight demand.
I flew on a 747 to Barcelona. I hung out at the rear of the plane and saw a guy going in and out of a door. I asked him what was back there and he said they were transporting some horses. I don't know if he was joking but I always wondered how/why there would be a door going further back into the plane. I guess it was a combi.
Its probably another thing that worried people was that if something were to go wrong with the cargo like bad balancing or something catching fire (though very very rare) it could be a lot worse
I once flew an Hawaiian DC8 combi from Guam to Honolulu. It was odd because I was in First Class, which was over the wings.. The flight attendant has to bring our meals from the back, passed all the economy passengers to serve first class... but in the end, it got us to Honolulu just fine.
well I can imagine the "envy" or "discriminating" looks from your fellow economy passengers when they saw the flight attendants delivered your meals... 😅
The the dangers of combining freight and passengers was shown in the South African Airways Helderburg disaster involving 747 Combi. Im surprised it did not get a mention here.
Having worked on the 747 line when the 747-400M aircraft produced is also the issue of range. The Combi aircraft are heavy which has impact on range and fuel burn. Since they are not optimized for either passenger or cargo they do impacts on the range. Along with the issues of loading and unloading both the passenger and cargo they tend to do both rather poorly
Never flew on a combi aircraft although it is a great idea for remote areas worldwide. In the early 80s a station wagon car in Europe was also called a combi and now I I know where the name came from after watching this video! Great video! Thanks.
First time on a combi was the Alaska 737-200. I didn't know what it was when I booked it, but was 3 rows from the back door, -30°F, and one of the first to board. And that's how I learned the importance of reading the equipment type and seat map when booking a flight.
Flown at least 3 times on the 757 combi from Nepal airlines but never with the cargo loaded alongside passengers. It was always configured as a regular passenger aircraft.
Not sure you'd call it a Combi, but I once flew as passenger in a cargo loaded C-141 Starlifter from Diego Garcia to Oman. 18 passenger seats, facing backwards towards a 10 foot wall of about a zillion pounds of military gear held down by trucker straps and positive thoughts. And yes, the cargo master gave us the same FAA regulated safety brief. The high angle take-off and landing were...excessive.
Having worked around several different 737-200 combi's and seen majority of them retire they were a workhorse moving both passengers and cargo. ATR-42 and ATR-72's are good alternatives but can't move nearly as much cargo as a 737-200, truthfully I am surprised you never mentioned the Dash 7 or 8 lol
I flew in the KLM combi quite a few times. My uncle lived on Curaçao so we flew there a couple of times, I remember that the cabin was strangely small for such a large aircraft
Our First Air [Air North] B737 Combi and pilots have, for many years, performed yoeman's service in the most challenging of conditions to the Canadian North. Thank you !
I took a Qantas 747 Combi from SYD to SFO via HNL. The passenger cabin was noticeably smaller but not uncomfortably so. This was also the first flight I was allowed to visit the cockpit during the flight while over the equator which made it one of my favorite journeys of my youth.
I remember KLM using the 747-400m combi for AMS-SXM-CUR-AMS. Had my last and probably only flight on KL612 back in 2018. I wonder why they didnt use the 747-400 as this route is well booked
Part of the reason has to do with the flight path taking off from SXM, due to the immediate turn just after wheels up in order to avoid the tall mountains rising a short distance from the runway. The maneuver at that point of the flight requires more fuel to be expended, and thus it needed a refueling stop in Curacao before continuing the journey back to AMS. The 744 was replaced on this route with the A330 because it was capable of departing earlier along the shorter runway and thus not need as much of a maneuver to avoid those mountains. It then also makes the nonstop return flight much more possible to achieve.
Air Marshall Islands used to fly a combi DC-8. It was one of the most comfortable cabins, with the best food I have ever had on a flight. They went Hono-Johnston-Majuro-Kwajalein-Kosrae-Pohnpeii-Palau-Yap-Guam one day and then the opposite the following day.
If I'm not mistaken I remember Northwest flying combis through KMKE, where I spotted them as a teen. I think they were also designated in the printed timetables like the B-720-Bs to Florida.
as an aviation geek, Thank You for video, this older than 50s US Citizen has never flown on a combi, if i traveled to BC or Alaska i would not mind at all.
There's a Canadian North 747-400 combi that comes into my local airport quite regularly all the way up from Iqaluit. It's a perfect fit for them as the best way to transport any cargo from way up there is by air, and Iqaluit is small enough that they don't need to move that many people out of there and all the way down to southern Canada, so the combi's reduced passenger capacity is still plenty.
Some US military contractors use 737 combis, like ATI, Safair or Texel Air. TNT Airlines had 757 combis working for NATO, and Colombia Air Force has a 737-400 combi, called "Cronos"
I flew many times in Air Greenland's combi Turboprops, besides the cabin being "tiny", and only one multitasking flight attendant, the passenger experience is not that different (in Greenland, it's mostly the weather that will make the difference, in fact...)
I experienced 737-200 Quick Combi of Canadian North from Calgary to Yellowknife. I was wondering why borading from back door and found out because of short cabin. Return flight on Weekends was full length cabin.
Air Marshall Islands used to operate a Douglas DC-8 combi aircraft, to carry passengers and cargo to and from the Marshall Islands, such as fish and seafood from the islands to Hawaii or Japan.
I In my opinion I think that the combi aircraft is the perfect mix between cargo and passengers. If you were in an airline where you have more cargo than passengers then it makes sense to own one of these planes ✈️.
It was it Oshkosh this year Samaritan's Purse came. They have a 1968 DC-8 combi, starting its life with Pan Am. I did not get to fly on it, but got a tour of the rear passenger cabin and front cargo area. Like any other avgeek, I would love one day have the chance to fly on it, but is used for their humanitarian missions.
I be flown on a Swissair 747-300 Combi Between Zurich and Boston. The forward section of the aircraft was economy on the main and upper decks. I assume First/Business was up forward on the main deck. In the Sixties military contract flights using 727-100s were used on Atlantic to Lajes, Azores, Keflavik, Iceland, and to two bases in Greenland where the number of passengers were small and cargo space was needed. The same is true to Arctic Canada and Alaska.
I think the reason why they don't happen anymore is that the patterns of passenger service and freight service are so different from each other that it's hard to coordinate them together on the same vehicle. Just look at the railroads, they're much more flexible in terms of configuration than an airline given that they can swap out cars in the consist really easily but they still almost never put freight and passengers on the same train simply because serving both service patterns at the same time with the same vehicle doesn't make any sense except in very niche applications.
FYI a passengers B748 for example mostly is carrying cargo in its cargo compartiment. The main issue behind combi, besides of complicated management which means more costs, according to "Michael Porter" for new business models mixing strategies means being stuck between them , for example an airline has split the cabin into half pax, half cargo for outbound leg, let's imagine for the inbound trip they have pax demand higher than cargo, here to modify the cabin will consume time and mostly not practical due to some specific equipements
Continental Micronesia better known as Air Mike until 1983 used the 727-100C Combi in their 727 fleet with them coated with teflon on underside of the fuselage this was due to them operating on coral runways before an complete runway that could accommodate the 727. Many of Continental Micronesia’s 727 Combi’s where used as cargo/passenger aircraft this is due to remoteness of pacific islands. Many of these combi’s where used on the airline’s famous island hopper route which the route today is operated by United Airlines
I flew twice once on an AF 747-400C from Paris to Hong Kong, was in Business Class and on the second floor, quite far from the cargo area. Quite uneventful flight.
Azul Brazilian Airlines flies Combi ATR 72-600s, but I have a hard time fathoming what could fit in the cargo hold other than some Amazon packages haha
Combi-style passenger layouts may make a comeback, even if combi-planes don't. As hydrogen requires very large fuel tanks, and one of the the best places to put that is in the rear of the fuselage.
Also the fact that wide bodies can still carry a decent cargo load in the cargo bay probably also has something to do with why never wide bodies arent combis
Most airliners pre 2000 was limited by weight, not space. With the neo engines several tons. This increase the belly cargo capacity signicantly from a few tons ro dussins. While that is not quite as much as a combi, having more flight solve that problem. So in effect. All aircrafts are combies
It's typical for KLM to acquire new aircraft and to use them until they're end of life. The 747 PH-BFB was 29 years old when it was taken out of service and was parked before the Corendon hotel in a new Corendon Livery. Sadly all the 747's have gone. The oldest KLM 737-800 currently in service, the PH-BXA is already nearing its 23'rd birthday in the upcoming year. It's nice to see old aircraft remaining relevant by good maintenance.
I think it's the same church different row if you want to mix people in Freight on a Combi I didn't see any problem or if you just want a straight freighter it seems to me a jet designed to haul Freight would be more efficient at that and the same for a passenger liner iPhone on both I didn't have any delays or problems either way. The 747 was designed to carry tons upon tons of freight along with close to 400 passengers. Win-win is I see it
The KLM 747 combi was good in that the freight was at the back, replacing the bad seats. On smaller aircraft it seems like a terrible idea: taking up the front section and blocking movement in case of emergency.
The problem with rear loaded freight is the cargo can be much more dense than passengers, but the laws of physics favor a center of gravity forward of the main gear and wing box. This means there's a weight limit which defeats the usefulness of all that space.
I flew on a ATR combi a long time ago. My first impression was, “what the hell is this”? It just didn’t feel right besides being ugly, uncomfortable and noisy.
I once took a KLM 747-400M from ORD to AMS in the 1990s. I questioned my flight attendant regarding why the “back wall” was seemingly so far forward on the plane. He invited me and my traveling companion to have a look at the cargo section beyond the back wall’s door. Very cool! One of the two best experiences I’ve had on an aircraft! (The other was a flight deck visit in-flight [pre-11Sep2001] enroute from LGW to FUN and sighting Madeira as it popped up on the horizon.) I presume both of those experiences are out of the question today.
The main reason for the drop in combi aircraft was the newer and a lot more stringent fire regulations. This meant that the aircraft had to have newer and a lot more expensive fire suppression systems fitted. Also regulation over exactly what you are allowed to carry on a mixed passenger and freight aircraft restricts what can be carried.
Exactly. They left out the safety issues that make the market for these aircraft difficult in todays regulations. There is also the part about fixed bulkheads that is part of these regulations that can make these aircraft not as attractive or flexible.
Yup. I got to ride on Northwest Airlines' last 747 combi flight before they got rid of their combi aircraft. The rear "wall" wasn't a bulkhead. It was just a partition, and you could peek around the edges near the windows to see the cargo in back. Probably so each airline could adjust its position to tweak the ratio of passengers to cargo to best met their needs. That must've been a nightmare from a fire safety regulation standpoint.
@@solandri69 Exactly, and if there is even a small accident, what stops that freight from roaring through that partition and squashing the pax?
@@AviationCommercials if you’re concerned with the cargo roaring through the partition, you’d also likely be concerned with what likely happened to the passengers in the related incident.
Yep the South African Airways Flight 295 in-flight fire was a wake-up call.
There is a Japanese carrier (Ryukyu Air) that recently implemented a Q400 combi. The combis (IMO) still provide a useful service for limited routes with lower passenger/higher freight demand.
I flew on a 747 to Barcelona. I hung out at the rear of the plane and saw a guy going in and out of a door. I asked him what was back there and he said they were transporting some horses. I don't know if he was joking but I always wondered how/why there would be a door going further back into the plane. I guess it was a combi.
I remember flying on a 747 Combi when I was young. There was also a well known crash of SAA flight 295 which sadly occurred in 1987.
Its probably another thing that worried people was that if something were to go wrong with the cargo like bad balancing or something catching fire (though very very rare) it could be a lot worse
I once flew an Hawaiian DC8 combi from Guam to Honolulu. It was odd because I was in First Class, which was over the wings.. The flight attendant has to bring our meals from the back, passed all the economy passengers to serve first class... but in the end, it got us to Honolulu just fine.
well I can imagine the "envy" or "discriminating" looks from your fellow economy passengers when they saw the flight attendants delivered your meals... 😅
@@힐만94 *shooting laser *
The the dangers of combining freight and passengers was shown in the South African Airways Helderburg disaster involving 747 Combi. Im surprised it did not get a mention here.
Having worked on the 747 line when the 747-400M aircraft produced is also the issue of range. The Combi aircraft are heavy which has impact on range and fuel burn. Since they are not optimized for either passenger or cargo they do impacts on the range. Along with the issues of loading and unloading both the passenger and cargo they tend to do both rather poorly
Never flew on a combi aircraft although it is a great idea for remote areas worldwide. In the early 80s a station wagon car in Europe was also called a combi and now I I know where the name came from after watching this video! Great video! Thanks.
I honestly think combis are really unique and would love to see more flying around. Great video Simple Flying!
First time on a combi was the Alaska 737-200. I didn't know what it was when I booked it, but was 3 rows from the back door, -30°F, and one of the first to board. And that's how I learned the importance of reading the equipment type and seat map when booking a flight.
Flown at least 3 times on the 757 combi from Nepal airlines but never with the cargo loaded alongside passengers. It was always configured as a regular passenger aircraft.
I love the 747 combi
Me to
I use to fly 737 Combis all the time in Alaska, Wien Air Alaska( bought out by Ak Air) and Alaska Air mostly over the years! Thanks for the video!!
Not sure you'd call it a Combi, but I once flew as passenger in a cargo loaded C-141 Starlifter from Diego Garcia to Oman. 18 passenger seats, facing backwards towards a 10 foot wall of about a zillion pounds of military gear held down by trucker straps and positive thoughts. And yes, the cargo master gave us the same FAA regulated safety brief. The high angle take-off and landing were...excessive.
Having worked around several different 737-200 combi's and seen majority of them retire they were a workhorse moving both passengers and cargo.
ATR-42 and ATR-72's are good alternatives but can't move nearly as much cargo as a 737-200, truthfully I am surprised you never mentioned the Dash 7 or 8 lol
I flew in the KLM combi quite a few times. My uncle lived on Curaçao so we flew there a couple of times, I remember that the cabin was strangely small for such a large aircraft
The New Zealand Air Force still operates two 757 combi aircraft, so there was not only one 757 combi aircraft
Our First Air [Air North] B737 Combi and pilots have, for many years, performed yoeman's service in the most challenging of conditions to the Canadian North. Thank you !
I took a Qantas 747 Combi from SYD to SFO via HNL. The passenger cabin was noticeably smaller but not uncomfortably so. This was also the first flight I was allowed to visit the cockpit during the flight while over the equator which made it one of my favorite journeys of my youth.
The crash of SAA Helderberg in 1987, a 747 combi, illustrated the need for better fire suppression systems than normal in passenger areas.
There is also the MD-11C
Alitalia had a couple of these combi trijets
Flew on EVA Air's 747-400 combi betweeen SFO and TPE a few times in premium economy. Loved it.
I remember KLM using the 747-400m combi for AMS-SXM-CUR-AMS.
Had my last and probably only flight on KL612 back in 2018. I wonder why they didnt use the 747-400 as this route is well booked
Part of the reason has to do with the flight path taking off from SXM, due to the immediate turn just after wheels up in order to avoid the tall mountains rising a short distance from the runway. The maneuver at that point of the flight requires more fuel to be expended, and thus it needed a refueling stop in Curacao before continuing the journey back to AMS.
The 744 was replaced on this route with the A330 because it was capable of departing earlier along the shorter runway and thus not need as much of a maneuver to avoid those mountains. It then also makes the nonstop return flight much more possible to achieve.
Air Marshall Islands used to fly a combi DC-8. It was one of the most comfortable cabins, with the best food I have ever had on a flight. They went Hono-Johnston-Majuro-Kwajalein-Kosrae-Pohnpeii-Palau-Yap-Guam one day and then the opposite the following day.
I've flown on a combi Bae ATP back in 2008. It was seating ~40 pax at the back and had a bulk cargo section at the front
I flew a good amount of times in KLM's 747 Combis. From a passenger point of view, they're just standard planes.
If I'm not mistaken I remember Northwest flying combis through KMKE, where I spotted them as a teen. I think they were also designated in the printed timetables
like the B-720-Bs to Florida.
Back in the 80’s ans 90’s, the former Cameroon Airlines used to fly a B747-200 combi for DLA/NSI-CDG. Such a huge and impressive plane!
as an aviation geek, Thank You for video, this older than 50s US Citizen has never flown on a combi, if i traveled to BC or Alaska i would not mind at all.
There's a Canadian North 747-400 combi that comes into my local airport quite regularly all the way up from Iqaluit. It's a perfect fit for them as the best way to transport any cargo from way up there is by air, and Iqaluit is small enough that they don't need to move that many people out of there and all the way down to southern Canada, so the combi's reduced passenger capacity is still plenty.
2:25 is probably PH-BFY "City of Johannesburg," a 747-406M I took in 2002 from Taipei to Amsterdam via Bangkok when it was brand new.
Flew on a B747 Combi on KLM from Singapore to Jakarta about 20 years ago. My once and only combi plane flight.
I remember flying on Swissair 747-300 Combi between ZRH and ORD. I recall Swissair was one of the first airlines using the 747 Combi
I thought the Helderberg disaster made it financially non-viable for most carriers.
I work at the Airpark where ATI has its headquarters and get to see their 4 757 combi's, one cool aircraft
Some US military contractors use 737 combis, like ATI, Safair or Texel Air. TNT Airlines had 757 combis working for NATO, and Colombia Air Force has a 737-400 combi, called "Cronos"
I flew many times in Air Greenland's combi Turboprops, besides the cabin being "tiny", and only one multitasking flight attendant, the passenger experience is not that different (in Greenland, it's mostly the weather that will make the difference, in fact...)
I experienced 737-200 Quick Combi of Canadian North from Calgary to Yellowknife. I was wondering why borading from back door and found out because of short cabin. Return flight on Weekends was full length cabin.
The a380 combi for the dreams around here,
cargo main and pax up no weight balance problem rear/front
Spot on.
UPS used to put pallets that had six seats and an aisle on 727 freighters for weekend charter flights in the mid-90s.
Air Marshall Islands used to operate a Douglas DC-8 combi aircraft, to carry passengers and cargo to and from the Marshall Islands, such as fish and seafood from the islands to Hawaii or Japan.
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In my opinion I think that the combi aircraft is the perfect mix between cargo and passengers. If you were in an airline where you have more cargo than passengers then it makes sense to own one of these planes ✈️.
It was it Oshkosh this year Samaritan's Purse came. They have a 1968 DC-8 combi, starting its life with Pan Am. I did not get to fly on it, but got a tour of the rear passenger cabin and front cargo area. Like any other avgeek, I would love one day have the chance to fly on it, but is used for their humanitarian missions.
Never knew they had their own plane. Great charity!
Flew on a KLM 744M in 2013 from YYZ-AMS. This was the only time I did so.
ATI had a few 757 combi's also. I believe they were cargo in the front and passengers in the rear....
I flew on a combi Lockheed Elektra of Reeves Aleutian Air from Anchorage to Amchitka Island and back with the U. S. Navy back in the late 1980's
I flew on Asiana Airlines B74E, HL7423 from NRT to ICN. Interesting layout.
I was on the Eva Air B747-400M from HKG to TPE about 25 years ago.
>> What do you make of combi aircraft?
Me: Well, I can make a hat, or a broach, or a pterodactyl...
I be flown on a Swissair 747-300 Combi Between Zurich and Boston. The forward section of the aircraft was economy on the main and upper decks. I assume First/Business was up forward on the main deck. In the Sixties military contract flights using 727-100s were used on Atlantic to Lajes, Azores, Keflavik, Iceland, and to two bases in Greenland where the number of passengers were small and cargo space was needed. The same is true to Arctic Canada and Alaska.
And they were also between Japan, Korea, and perhaps other locations.
747-400M flying on Korean Air. But didn't like waiting for the tailstand to be placed before disembarkation. Took a long time to set it up.
747 combi was a legend
I think the reason why they don't happen anymore is that the patterns of passenger service and freight service are so different from each other that it's hard to coordinate them together on the same vehicle. Just look at the railroads, they're much more flexible in terms of configuration than an airline given that they can swap out cars in the consist really easily but they still almost never put freight and passengers on the same train simply because serving both service patterns at the same time with the same vehicle doesn't make any sense except in very niche applications.
FYI a passengers B748 for example mostly is carrying cargo in its cargo compartiment.
The main issue behind combi, besides of complicated management which means more costs, according to "Michael Porter" for new business models mixing strategies means being stuck between them , for example an airline has split the cabin into half pax, half cargo for outbound leg, let's imagine for the inbound trip they have pax demand higher than cargo, here to modify the cabin will consume time and mostly not practical due to some specific equipements
Continental Micronesia better known as Air Mike until 1983 used the 727-100C Combi in their 727 fleet with them coated with teflon on underside of the fuselage this was due to them operating on coral runways before an complete runway that could accommodate the 727. Many of Continental Micronesia’s 727 Combi’s where used as cargo/passenger aircraft this is due to remoteness of pacific islands. Many of these combi’s where used on the airline’s famous island hopper route which the route today is operated by United Airlines
The Philippines has 737 combi? Not aware of that, what is the name of the Carrier?
Philippines Airlines had 747 combi
Thumbs up for combi planes. Seat belts with unclippable ends are cargo belts . Many planes and most airlines have them.
I flew twice once on an AF 747-400C from Paris to Hong Kong, was in Business Class and on the second floor, quite far from the cargo area. Quite uneventful flight.
Azul Brazilian Airlines flies Combi ATR 72-600s, but I have a hard time fathoming what could fit in the cargo hold other than some Amazon packages haha
Combi-style passenger layouts may make a comeback, even if combi-planes don't.
As hydrogen requires very large fuel tanks, and one of the the best places to put that is in the rear of the fuselage.
What is the largest aircraft to take off and land on an aircraft carrier?
Also the fact that wide bodies can still carry a decent cargo load in the cargo bay probably also has something to do with why never wide bodies arent combis
In Roissy Charles de Gaulle the fret is managed on a specific area.
Maybe that's the biggest reason to avoid combi planes.
TAAG Angola Airlines has the only 737-700 combi, but it flies in full passenger config
COVID 19 : I know who's the reason, I know him. That's me I am him. Demand for more cargo
Don't forget that all-cargo flights have less crew to pay, too, meaning 2 combis would need more staff than 1 passenger plane and 1 cargo plane
Flew one in the early 2000’s. Asiana B747-400 combi
Most airliners pre 2000 was limited by weight, not space.
With the neo engines several tons. This increase the belly cargo capacity signicantly from a few tons ro dussins.
While that is not quite as much as a combi, having more flight solve that problem.
So in effect. All aircrafts are combies
I never even knew combi aircraft existed!
biman has no cargo section😭
My recollection is KLM was one of the higher users of combi aircrafts.
It's typical for KLM to acquire new aircraft and to use them until they're end of life. The 747 PH-BFB was 29 years old when it was taken out of service and was parked before the Corendon hotel in a new Corendon Livery. Sadly all the 747's have gone. The oldest KLM 737-800 currently in service, the PH-BXA is already nearing its 23'rd birthday in the upcoming year.
It's nice to see old aircraft remaining relevant by good maintenance.
I think they should ring the Combi back because you won’t have to pay for one airplane to serve two purposes it’s a great money saver
0:29 what is Hitler doing back there?
Interesting
I think it's the same church different row if you want to mix people in Freight on a Combi I didn't see any problem or if you just want a straight freighter it seems to me a jet designed to haul Freight would be more efficient at that and the same for a passenger liner iPhone on both I didn't have any delays or problems either way. The 747 was designed to carry tons upon tons of freight along with close to 400 passengers. Win-win is I see it
The KLM 747 combi was good in that the freight was at the back, replacing the bad seats. On smaller aircraft it seems like a terrible idea: taking up the front section and blocking movement in case of emergency.
The problem with rear loaded freight is the cargo can be much more dense than passengers, but the laws of physics favor a center of gravity forward of the main gear and wing box. This means there's a weight limit which defeats the usefulness of all that space.
Perhaps there would be A321neo & A350-1000 Combi/ Convertible/ Quick Change ......🛫🤓
Iron Maiden's Ed Force One?
NAC B757 😍
I flew on a ATR combi a long time ago. My first impression was, “what the hell is this”? It just didn’t feel right besides being ugly, uncomfortable and noisy.
The royal new Zealand air force has two combined 757s cheers
I didn't know combo was also called combi lol
1:40
when cows fly do they get to watch a movie?
They should convert decommissioned A380s to combi's.
South African Airways joins the chat….
I have in NEPAL AIRLINES 757
Nolinor Aviation has combis
New regulation re : The Heidelberg disaster ?
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ATR 72 is a combi 😂😂😂
I don't like them, either pax or cargo
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Yes a KLM 747. Didn’t like it.
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