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I'm a little surprised Doug didn't mention one very particular instant in the "Dash and Violet run from mooks" sequence: When Dash realizes he can run on water, he giggles a little, then goes faster. A lesser film might've had him say "I can run on water? That's awesome!" Nope, just the giggle of a little boy realizing he was right, he CAN do something extraordinary and cool.
Actually, there was a mook moment that impressed me. Violet is invisible and has hidden in the water. The mook trying to find her goes and throws dust in the water to outline her. The guy could actuially think rather than just being human scenery.
Here's a fact that everyone knows , but yet seems to forget, Frozone was actually the next target, Mirage switched to Mr. Incredible, and if you noticed the robot was most likely progammed to Frozone, as a volcano would nullify his powers, making him an easy target.
The first one I knew, it's funny how they accidentally found the number one super that Syndrome was most likely looking for. But the second I didn't put together till your comment. I just figured it was just an "evil villain" setting, but yeah it makes sense if they set everything up for Frozone first.
Funnily enough, in the LEGO Incredibles game, we play BOTH characters during the first robot fight scene. While this makes sense for LEGO, it's funnier knowing about that fact :)
@@ninjanibba4259 you saw how many each version killed, around 5-6 per version. Maybe it was too late to change it and hoped. Even when it failed, they made one that would have killed him.
@@ninjanibba4259, Syndrome probably didn't want to wait anymore. After all, Bob WAS the one who inadvertently started all of this, albeit in Buddy's twisted mind.
13:31 - You TOTALLY missed the subtle storytelling in the flashback. When Buddy was talking with Mr Incredible in the opening, Bomb-voyage was there, but in Buddy's flashback he wasn't. many first chalked it up as a continuity error, but when you think about how much Buddy was fanboying over Mr Incredible, it makes sense he never saw the danger there. That'd be line someone fanboying SO much over Batman, wanting to be the next Robin, that they don't see the danger with Batman fighting a villain at that moment. Also, 22:45 - As great as that line is, the way he says the next one was even funnier! He like.. goes 'country-tone' for that "All too good!"
Forgetting a vital detail of the scenario he was in when Bob rejected him adds a brilliant bit of nuance to Syndrome's psychology. To quote the Joker "Memory's so treacherous." Another detail is that I don't think Buddy ever realised that Bomb Voyage had thrown a bomb onto his cape. I don't think that part was even a false memory for the adult Syndrome. Buddy just literally never noticed the bomb, even when Bob yelled at him and was literally hanging from his cape to save him from it. In Buddy's mind, Bob was trying to hold him back.
He got it all wrong about Helen originally dying. It was her pilot friend from the past, Snug, that died while flying her and the kids to the island. He wasn't completely cut out of the movie, though, since you can hear his voice over the phone and see a picture of him on Helen's counter.
You mean Snug? Yeah he was gonna be more than just a picture in a frame and a voice on the phone. He was actually gonna be flying the plane and when Helen was forced to chose who to save, she leapt towards her kids with her old friend being blown up with the plane and sinking into the sea. They never animated it but they did storyboard the whole thing, making the scene all the more dark.😨
Snug was always a mystery to me because he wasn't exactly shown and I wonder if he's like Helen's ex-boyfriend or something (a part of me even thought if they have an affair, and that was when I was like a kid, hehe)...him supposedly being a minor character that is sacrificed now makes a lot sense why he was mentioned but wasn't added in IMO.
I always like that Syndrome was so versed in superhero tropes, but wasn't self aware that he was a villain. It really plays into the fanboy mentality that strength is more important than the heroic
Its also a reflection of the quote by Tom Hiddleston, "Every villain is a hero in his own mind". Only the most cartoonishly evil and simple, straightforward villains might acknowledge or see themselves as such and revel in it. Most villains, even if they acknowledge their methods are morally objectionable, rationalize and justify such measures by "the ends justify the means" and that they are really doing a good thing, and anyone who gets in their way is the actual villain. Syndrome himself directly references this by calling himself a hero and wanting to portray himself as one, while seeing supers as the 'real' villains, for having powers and (in his mind) acting superior to those without, feeling slighted by their competency.
This only proves in my mind 100%(one hundred percent) that Brad Bird is a better filmmaker then the people who made the scream remake from 2022 in their attempt to portray toxic fandom; Brad Bird handled that issue/point much better!!!! And he only needed one(1) villain to do so instead of 2(two)!!!!!!! Dan aka….
Yeah, Syndrome saw himself as a normal guy who got rejected for not being special, and superheroes as selfish narcissists who owe everything to the gifts they were born with But in reality, Syndrome had super intelligence that he could have used for good, but instead built a huge vanity project that killed and endangered loads of people. While Bob is able to grow past his ego and realise his recklessness, Syndrome just becomes the worst version of what he criticises but without the good intentions to back it up Tldr incredibles good
In the earliest storyboards, the man Helen called about getting a plane was actually ON the plane, piloting it. He DIES IN THE EXPLOSION. I guess they figured that was too dark, so they removed him from the scene.
@titangirl161 yeah I saw that deleted scene. Part of me wishes they had kept it, but overall I think I prefer the version they went with- Helen's panic and desperation really makes this scene
@@kirkengstrom917 I didn't know that, but it makes sense. But for Violet to have that on her conscience would be just a bit much for a kids movie (or maybe I'm the only weirdo who looks that far into things). Either way, the right choices were made
I think this film holds up better as an adult than as a child. You see a lot more clever things. For example: Mirage was originally looking for Frozone. What do I mean, the Omni droid lead Mr. Incredible towards the volcano so that “Frozone” wouldn’t use his powers against the droid. The droid was programmed to fight against Frozone. If you remember that the fire was started by Mirage and/or assistances. Then after the fire, Mirage is surprised to see Mr. Incredible
I really like your points however we're not shown Mirage being the cause of the fire, yes its a logical conclusion since they were tracking him but who's to say a potential disaster set up was even necessary (it wasn't for Bob). My bigger issue is how exactly they found out Frozones identity. Outside of his monolog story (which doesn't necessarily have to be recent) it seems like he only fights crime with Bob. I suppose evidence of frozone is way easier to see. But I don't think just seeing some ice would be enough for them to launch an operation. They had to be keeping tabs on him especially to know he goes out on Wednesday nights. (Thank you for making put way more thought into a 20 year old kids movie)
@@alim.9801 that’s why the movie is so good, it doesn’t shove what it’s trying to do in your face. Like when Bob was talking to Mirage and Ellen sneaks into the call, she thinks he’s cheating and perhaps why he’s always gone, successful and happy. That’s why she over exaggerates saying “I Love You, So So Much!” When he leaves. Which I never picked up as a kid.
I love how their superpowers tie in with their personalities. Bob has super strength, as he's trying to support his entire family. Helen has elastic arms, and is stretching herself in various directions, Violet has invisibility, and is insecure Dash has speed, since he's an energetic kid, and Jack Jack has numerous abilities, being a baby, or "Jack of All Trades."
I always thought Jack Jack had multiple powers since, due to being just a baby, he had "infinite potential" thus having more powers as his life wasn't set in stone yet.
Fun Fact: You can tell the first Omnidroid Mr. Incredible fought was meant for Frozone because of where it lead the fight to: a volcano. Frozone’s powers are dependent on moisture, so it’s likely that he would exhaust his powers in a superheated environment like a volcano, making it all the easier to take him out. Bob indirectly saved Lucious’ life.
@@d.b.5070 I thought so too, until I remembered that Mirage was originally tailing Lucious, and they only switched to Bob when she realized who he was and what that would mean to Syndrome.
10:23 I love the detail that as Bob is getting yelled at by his boss he turns and sees a mugging happening. As soon as he sees it the scene becomes more saturated. Showing that the thought of stopping a crime is literally the only lightning in his life
It’s also just incredibly grim. It isn’t a supervillain, it’s just a random thug beating on an innocent person. Having a scene like that in an animated “kids” movie almost makes it hit harder. You see the fury in Bob’s face. He want to deliver justice and this little prick just brushes it off. Bob’s a true hero
@@Luke101 and we know why it’s grim cause this is happening right now, someplace in more violent cities across the world. Unlike Syndrome and other powered beings, this is something that can happen to us at any unlucky moment
@@ADJackD exactly. It's an extremely grounded human act of violence and cruelty and Bob has to just stand there and watch. I woulda thrown my boss through the wall too and I don't even have powers
I’ve never heard the idea of killing off Helen, but Bird had created a character named Snug who was Helen’s pilot in the old days(You hear him on the phone for like two seconds in the final film when Helen makes preparations to go.) who was gonna bond with the kids a bit and then die in the explosion. He was cut not because Bird thought it was too dark, but because his screen time led to pacing issues.
By far My favorite superhero movie. So many iconic scenes from "Where's my super suit?!" to any scene with Syndrome in it. And the Parrs really feel like a family.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 yeah I miss when movie productions cared about how their movies turn out and put thought into it. Nowadays they’re all so lazy with their movies.
Another Fun Fact: Helen's use of radio protocol while flying is exceptionally accurate for a movie. In the director's commentary, Brad Bird tells that Holly Hunter insisted on learning the lingo and its meaning. The terminology used hints that Elastigirl has had military flight training. "VFR on top" means she is flying in the regime of Visual Flight Rules "on top" of a cloud cover. She requests "vectors to the initial", directions how to get to the initial landing approach. "Angels 10" is her altitude call, ten thousand feet, this is a military term. Civilian flights use the term "flight level". "Track east" is her direction of travel. "Buddy spike(d)" is a U.S. Military brevity code meaning "friendly anti-aircraft radar has locked on to me, (please don't shoot)." "Transmitting in the Blind Guard" is a call on the emergency frequency where two-way communication has not been established. "Abort" is also a military brevity code, a directive meaning "stop the action/mission/attack." It should be noted that the term "angels", while popular for the first half of the twentieth century, is outdated. As the "present day" story takes place in 1962 and having flight experience clearly took place in the fifties, this is an appropriate term.
17:27 I'm sure many of you caught on to this but it's worth mentioning You notice when he checks on Elastigirl, her whereabouts are unknown cuz of course, she took retirement seriously but with Frozone his location is known. That ties back to that scene where Mirage was eavesdropping them while both Bob and Lucius were in the car, that Frozen was supposed to be next to fight the Omnidroid but they realize that Mr Incredible was with him, so they changed targets So in a way Bob unintentionally saved Frozone's life
All the scenes of bob at the office are perhaps the best commentary in any superhero movie. Bob went from fighting bank robbers and supervillains to now having to work for the type of people in positions of power who perhaps do more damage to society than criminals and can get away with it.
Bob - "it's psychotic, they keep creating new ways to celebrate mediocrity" it's amazing how that line can be applied to so much that's happened over the years
@@RedTail1-1No it’s just a reference how we let it be the norm for over a decade. We became so sensitive we had to give participation trophies and cut dodgeball to “protect” kids feelings. Like syndrome said. When everyone’s super, no one will be. The perfect way to end a sense or need to compete and better yourself - eliminate the need to “win” if everyone else wins.
@@DarkEclipse23i love how everyone says this, but can’t think of an actual solution to the problem, sensitive people have existed forever by the way and I played sports as a kid and I never got participation trophies at all, it’s just feels like a new way to complain about things because it doesn’t fit their way of things, guess what, kids should be able to have fun and make friendships with other kids, the trophy is just an add on
However, there is a problem with idealizing the exceptional as well. Bob for a good part of the movie wanted to be the Hero that everyone looks up to. However only to find he craves the simple ordinary things. There is often a lot of suffering and tradeoffs to be exceptional, and real value often in the good enough.
The scene "Kronos Unveiled " is a great movie moment from the Incredibles. From the silent storytelling, foreshadowing, and amazing musical score it's one of the most amazing scenes from a Pixar movie
There was a recently storyboarded deleted scene for The Incredibles 2 where Mr. Incredible speaks about Gazerbeam at a memorial service for all of the Supers killed by Syndrome.
I'm a school teacher in Germany and just 2 weeks ago I've shown this movie to my class. The kids are all around 11 or 12 years old. Nobody saw that movie before. In the end, they all clapped and were excited. So we can see... this movie still DOES hold up and it's rather timeless! 🙂
@alvaroperez2349 and something that I learned more recently, is the first super Edna mentions was a teenager. Stratogale was in high school when she was sucked into an airplane turbine and died. I believe that her death hit Edna the hardest and was the ultimate reason for the "no capes." Stratogale would be the last super to fall to that outdated design.
Another Fun Fact: Seen attending Bob and Helen's wedding are (left to right) Gazerbeam, Edna Marie "E" Mode, and government agent Rick Dicker sitting in the front row, as well as Dynaguy, Stratogal, Thunderhead, and Metaman in the pew behind them. The latter four have one thing in common: they're all seen later (for the last time) in flashbacks within Edna's "No Capes!" monologue. In the superhero database on the DVD, it says for those same heroes Edna mentioned, "Died in action, suit malfunction."
I do find it funny and very dark how one of the main reasons supes went into hiding was because a man tried to commit suicide, was saved but got injured, and sued Bob…and they sided with the guy who literally caused the whole situation. The train situation is one thing even if he was trying to stop people from getting killed, but that??? The line “you didn’t save my life, you ruined my death! That’s what you did!” lives rent free in my head with just how absurd, dark, and funny it is for a Pixar film.
Honestly, you’re right. I watched the movie again recently and when I got to that bit, I was like “why is everyone siding with a guy that almost *unalived* himself? He’s mentally unstable”. Also as you said the train thing was understandable
What stands out to me the most in this movie is the music paired with Brad Bird's directing style. It feels unconventionally paced, and with a surprising amount of slow, quiet moments. And in those moments, you're allowed to soak in some _stellar_ atmosphere. Like Mr. Incredible visiting the island for the first time, or Elastigirl sneaking into the lair. That last one in particular is accompanied by the track "Lithe or Death", which is just _gorgeous_ to listen to.
23:54 I don’t know about anyone else but when I was in high school marching band we would often call our uniforms our super suits. So it was pretty common to hear before a show a bunch of band kids quoting “where’s my super suit”
I need someone to do that to my left shoulder. Somehow, over a month ago, it got a cramp, and it being winter where I live, it can hurt really badly some days. I'm doing Pilates now to get some exercise in my routine, and I'm getting this issue checked at a clinic, so hopefully I'll get some progress soon.
My favorite theory about that is the Omnidroid had used that move to kill earlier supers, since once the pop happened it stops pulling Bob. Meaning the AI inside had heard a similar noise before and it meant dead super.
It's creepier when you realize that the Robot was using moves and techniques it's used to kill other Supers.......meaning someone met their end by being pulled apart.
@@kdusel1991 The other two had problems, but I don't think they were too bad. At least they looked the part! Thing looked amazing in those movies, what are the odds the MCU is just gonna CGI that character?
This is, for me, still the best Pixar film to date. It has a challenging, complex message, while still focusing far more on its characters than it does anything else. NC says that he wished that the film would have focused on the family more, yet praised the movie as having a believable and compelling family anyways. That tells me that we got just enough of them to sink the audience into this stylish retro-futuristic 50’s world. It feels like Bird took a lot of notes from Don Bluth movies, and gave us a movie whose dark moments are genuinely weighty while still keeping the movie light and fun as a whole. It’s phenomenal.
I love how Edna says she never looks back. Considering all of the costume heroes that died by capes died basically by her hand (she designed the suits). She holds herself responsible and to a higher standard. She doesn't look back because if she does she'll just be stuck in the past, reminiscing about the people she was friends with, the people she killed. (I love her I want to hug her)
To be fair, there are other super hero costume designers (they mention one in the next film), so maybe others made the bad cape costumes and she just learned from their mistakes.
Another Fun Fact: When Mr. Incredible (Craig T. Nelson) is called into Mr. Huph's (Wallace Shawn's) office, at one point Mr. Huph places his hand on a piece of paper. Judging from Mr. Incredible's expression, it seems like this paper is a termination notice. Actually, it is a memo to all employees, letting them know they will be responsible for buying all of their office supplies. It also states that parking will be metered by the hour, and that their electricity usage will be deducted from their paychecks. The letter concludes by saying that Insuricare has "recorded its highest profits in years."
And brainwashed people will still claim there is nothing wrong with the system and that you aren't working hard enough. Completely and willfully ignorant.
@@kaicreech7336 Not only that, but the Pilot was supposed to be an old friend of Helen’s. The scene after the plane crashes and Helen is staring down into the water after it, was actually from that original script. She’s supposed to be looking after her old friend-whose body would’ve been in the aircraft and left behind.
So for those who don’t know, the two Old Guys who appear in both the Iron Giant and the Incredibles are caricatures of two Disney animators, Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston, who worked on many of Disney’s classic films. They were part of Disney’s “Nine Old Men”. Brad Bird mentored under the Nine Old Men (mostly with Milt Khal) when he apprenticed at Disney in the late 1970s. It’s a pretty cool story actually, he sent a film to Disney at the age of 14 which caught their attention and they brought him on as a an “unofficial trainee”, unheard of at the time. It was a period of time where a lot of Disney’s top people were approaching retirement age and they were thinking about how to train younger animators to take over. After attending CalArts several years later (his classmates included future big names like Tim Burton , John Lasseter, and Henry Selick among others) he ended up working for Disney but left after a couple of years since his very outspoken nature clashed with the more conservative management at the time. And the rest is history! So yes, those two Old Guys aren’t just random characters, they’re animation legends! They had both sadly passed away by the time Incredibles 2 came along, so that’s why they didn’t make an appearance.
Decideded to listen to the DVD commentary for this one. According to Bird, the animation departments for the clothing and skin had to work together in order to do the five second shot of Bob putting his hand through the hole left by the droid. An animation breakthrough for all intents and purposes. Then, to prove they could do it again, the had Edna put her entire arm through the hole at her house. Also Bird mentioned how you don't really see two guys talking in a car in animated movies so put it in as something he always wanted to do.
The difficulty of animating those 2 bits are why I was so impressed by how they had Elsa remove her glove in forzen, focusing on loosening 1 finger at a time. That had to be a BITCH to animate
Shrug of God (from TV Tropes): - No one who worked on The Incredibles (not even Brad Bird) knows why the *Pizza Planet truck gag* wasn't included in the film. - When talking about the comics, *Mark Waid* said that Syndrome might have survived the movie but refused to give a definite answer. - *Brad doesn't know how The Incredibles got their powers,* as he hopes to never explain them.
My guess about the Pizza truck is that it doesn't show up for the same reason it doesn't show up in Brave. The Pizza Planet company didn't exist in the 60s.
There’s a video by Eddache that explores the Pizza Planet trucks history and finds it in all other Pixar movies with the aim of finding it in The Incredibles. It’s a great watch.
The Incredibles Villian Syndrome was inspired by it's director Brad Bird and his walk cycle was taken from a animator The Law that outlaws Superheroes could be a reference to the Kenne Act from Watchmen Comic BradBird wants Samuel L Jackson to voice Frozone because he wanted the coolest voice The Jewel Store Scene in the film is a reference to Die Hard with a vegencane with Samuel L Jackson being in that movie as well Edna the costume designer was voiced by Brad Bird the director of the Incredibles If you remember the scene where the incredibles save the city there are 2 old men talking about how was good it their day these are inspired by Ollie johnson and Frank Thomas these 2 were part of Walt's 9 old men one of the best animators that worked with Walt and were mentors to Brad Bird
Fun fact, it was on the DVD, Brad Bird did start this movie in 2D, it was supposed to look similar to the Iron Giant, but then that movie flopped, he had to forget everything he knew about animation and start learning again in 3D, the character designs stood the same, that's why you can see a 2D element to them
Actually, it was "Snug" (Helen's pilot mentor) who Brad Bird wanted to kill off in the plane scene. He was supposed to fly the plane while Helen, Dash and Violet were hitching a ride.
Fun Fact: Jason Lee (Buddy/Syndrome) recorded his lines in four days, while Craig T. Nelson (Bob Parr/Mr. Incredible) recorded his lines over the span of two years.
Never heard about "Killing Helen", but I know for sure they really really REALLY wanted to kill the pilot who gave her the plane (in that scene). They had to abandon the idea because (they said) they didn't had enough time to make the viewers attached to the character, so they could feel bad when he would die. I guess they had enough with Bing Bong.
Violet has two powers because like every member of the family her powers are a metaphor for their place in the Family, Dash is young and full of energy constantly running around, Bob is the strong backbone, Helen is the flexible Mom constantly doing whatever she has to, Jackjack is a baby with limitless potential and Violet is an insecur teen, trying not to be seen (Invisibility) and putting up walls around herself (Force Feild)
@playererror4044 And also their powers nearly 1 to 1 mimic a Fantastic 4 character. Super strength: The Thing Stretching elasticity: Mr. Fantastic Invisibility/force fields: The Invisible Woman Even among JackJack's several powers was lightning himself on fire: the Human Torch
19:03 Fun fact, there was also a script we’re a person did die. Instead of Helen borrowing the plain from an old friend, the old friend was there with them and died when the missiles hit and he went down with the plain.
8:25 I'm pretty sure it's implying Dash still wets the bed or something but feels Jack Jack is lucky for being considered normal despite having the same problem.
There's actually another version of the plane scene that was partially voiced and animated. The guy Helen calls on the phone to borrow the plane, Snug, was going to be piloting it instead of Helen. He would have died after the missiles hit and Helen had to leave his body behind to save the kids
The most underappreciated moment in the movie is Bob's reaction to hearing Helen, in utter desperation, radio in that "there are children on board". He's forced to listen to what might be his wife's last moments, helpless to do anything about it, and then, right at the apex of the fear, he hears that. Absolutely chilling.
I feel like there was a moment in the live action Supergirl series that was directly inspired by the famous "cape scene" you reference at 13:08 It was when they were doing a montage of costume designs for her and a capeless one caused her to take a turn too wide and crash into a truck, turns out the resistance caused by the cape made high speed cornering easier and revealed a practical reason for Superman's suit having it. To this day I'm certain that was made to DIRECTLY reference AND contradict Edna's "no capes" rule. I also love how they show Mirage is obviously attracted to Bob even though they never crossed that line into affair territory (which the deleted/alternate scenes on the DVD show WAS going to be a plot point.) Assuming she's about the same age as Syndrome she would have been a kid or young teen in Mr. Incredible's heyday, he was probably her first crush. 17:47 holy crap, I just realized the trap that caught Mr. Incredible is MINETA'S QUIRK! Mineta, the grape headed kid from My Hero Academia...I know Horikoshi was inspired by American comics when he made that series but did he watch THIS too?
When I was a kid, my sister and I introduced this movie to our late godfather. It swiftly became his favorite movie. He sadly died a few months before the sequel came out, and while I'll obviously never know if he would've liked it or not, I can always go back and watch the (vastly superior) original in his memory.
One of the reasons Ive always liked the airplane scene is it shows how easy Helen can slip back into the glory days just like Bob. Shes treating her daughter like a fellow super not a kid.
14:17 Fun fact: In the Argentinian dub, they changed Syndrome's line here from "Brilliant..." to "I'm such a dumbass..." Honestly makes it even funnier.
I love that this film had inspiration from "Jonny Quest" with the robot villain reminiscent of "the Robot Spy" and the "Jack Jack" short on the DVD starting just like any episode of that classic animated TV series.
Sad fact: Stratogale was only 18 when she was sucked up into that jet turbine and died. She is 100% the reason Edna became so cynical and implemented the "No capes" rule
Helen dying? You mean Snug? Yeah he was gonna be more than just a picture in a frame and a voice on the phone. He was actually gonna be flying the plane and when Helen was forced to choose who to save, she leapt towards her kids with her old friend being blown up with the plane and sinking into the sea. They never animated it but they did storyboard the whole thing, making the scene all the more dark.😨
Critic didn’t touch on my favorite part!😭😭 “ what are you waiting for?!” “ idk … something amazing?.. I guess..” You can really tell mr incredible misses his glory days and is sad he expects it to all be behind him. While he loves his family being mr incredible WAS his identity not Bob much how like Bruce sees himself as Batman and Bruce is the mask. So to mr incredible it’s a loss of self and not knowing What your place in the world is anymore. That’s why his “ me too kid … me too “ hit so hard ! You can really tell he’s waiting for the one excuse he can find to be that version of himself again and doesn’t believe he will ever get the chance.
Something that took me years to realize was that there was a specific reason the first Omnidroid fight took place in a lava-filled area. Frozone was specified to have been the original target before they switched last minute to Bob. Had things gone according to plan, that would've likely ended up being his fight instead, and inevitably, his end given that his powers don't work well in heat-based areas.
There's actually a theory that Edna couldn't directly kill Syndrome but she knew he was evil. So when he had her make his suit, she put a cape on it in the hope it'd lead to him being killed
That’s a bit of a leap, assuming Edna made Syndrome’s suit, given that everything else he does is fairly self-sufficient; makes his own tech, grows his own food, he doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy to let someone else design his suit especially when getting the glory and recognition was the whole point
Another Fun Fact: When Frozone (Samuel L. Jackson) starts speed skating, his moves are modelled after Olympic gold medalist Shani Davis. Davis jokingly remarked in a Dutch program that he was really upset, because he didn't get any type of money for it. ("Yeah it's me, who else swings his arms like that!")
I can't believe that Doug forgot to mention Michael Giacchino score. Its so hypnotic and catchy. Who would later score many MCU movies (Doctor Strange and Holland Spiderman Trilogy) and The Batman.
I think Dash is more likely to turn villain. He uses his powers to torment non supers. He despises the idea that everyone can be special in their own way, and he was encouraged to dominate sporting events just to demonstrate his superiority.
(25:04) I take my hat off to Walt Disney’s top animators. Nothing but mad respect for these two who lived to at least be part of The Incredibles. Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston.
23:13 In all fairness, Scar’s original name literally meant dirt because his father saw him as worthless and a waste of space. He only gained a tiny bit of respect from his father for challenging his brother and getting the scar on his face.
19:10 Actually your mixing up a production fact as the pilot of the plane was supposed to die but it wasn’t Helen but a pilot buddy named Snug. He was cut due to the crew believing he wouldn’t be developed enough to care about his demise but his voice and picture of him was kept in the final release
25:23 It is theorized that Edna had designed his suit and specifically with that flaw. While it is one she regrets for the deaths it caused, it was the design flaw she used to ultimately get revenge against the one who killed HER projects.
I never really compared the Incredibles to the Fantastic Four. Even though the main team consists of 4 members (Not counting Jack-Jack) But the Incredibles do have just about the same level of awesomeness as the Fantastic Four!
Except their supervillain isn't as awesome or fantastic as Doctor Doom. Doctor Doom is MILES ahead more awesome and badass than Symdrome. And he has done far greater and superior things Symdrome has never done before.
Fun fact, when I was a kid, I misunderstood the clock analogy. I thought he was saying "A company is like an enormous clog. It only works if all the little clogs mash together." I was like, "What are you talking about. I also thought Gazer Beam's name was "KRONOS."
Fun fact: in Polish dub Edna wasn't voiced by a voice actor either, but by a female rock singer who managed to record lines for the sequel short before her death. Her low voice was great for it
The most valuable thing that this movie ever gave me was the mental image of Helen getting taller and taller as she shouts at Bob saying "It is Not. ABOUT. YOU!" I play that mentally whenever I get in my own head. "Do they hate me, are my shoes clean enough," "it is Not. ABOUT. YOU!"
I remember reading they did that to avoid bad vibes of big man in argument with tiny woman yelling down at her, so they made her taller so SHE could yell down at HIM and even it out
19:10 Helen wasn’t the one who was supposed to die; it was Snug, Helen’s friend and former mechanic who was supposed to pilot the aircraft and die in the crash. He was cut from the film, was only mentioned by name and appeared briefly in a picture alongside Helen
2:34 Old👴... Mr. Incredible also has two powers. He's also super durable. He got run over by a tank and was totally fine. In a deleted scene he put his hand under a knife and the knife dented instead. You missed an opportunity to make a joke and show Vizzini saying "I'll just have to find myself a new giant, that's all!".
Syndrome is such a great villain in this. He's an evil genius but he still has that fanboy energy in him, showing that his love of heroes never fully left him. Also, he's actually a good twist villain. He's not a character that has one personality throughout most of the movie and then flips during the third act. The twist here is that someone from the beginning of the film is the villain. Plus, they allow him ample time to be a villain by reintroducing him around the half way point.
Gotta disagree with Doug. This is the best Pixar movie ever and the best superhero movie of all time. As well as a strong contender for the best animated movie ever.
One thing I love about the scene where dash is running from the guards…he doesn’t deliberately dive under the water, it’s just what happens when he comes fully to a stop…it’s a nice little detail
The first time Mr. Incredible fought the Omnidroid, it was meant to fight Frozone first. The way it brought the fight to the area with Lava where there was little to no moisture in the air there and any ice he used would've melted too fast to be of any use.
What drives me the most crazy about this movie is that they talk about the fact that Syndrome(Bobby) doesn't have superpowers but he does. Why does no one notice? He is a super genius!
What do you think? Is this the best Fantastic 4 movie?
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The best Fantastic 4 movie, and the 2nd best Incredibles movie.
the "Incredibles series" were just ok any word on critic & company returning to the studio ?
Can you review the Total Drama franchise please?
I'm a little surprised Doug didn't mention one very particular instant in the "Dash and Violet run from mooks" sequence: When Dash realizes he can run on water, he giggles a little, then goes faster. A lesser film might've had him say "I can run on water? That's awesome!" Nope, just the giggle of a little boy realizing he was right, he CAN do something extraordinary and cool.
tbf he did mention that back when he reviewed this for disneycember and cited it has one of his favorite dash moments
"i run on water now? i run on water now!"
That part has always cracked my dad up.
That laugh is perfect. So much can be shown without having to point it out.
Actually, there was a mook moment that impressed me. Violet is invisible and has hidden in the water. The mook trying to find her goes and throws dust in the water to outline her. The guy could actuially think rather than just being human scenery.
Here's a fact that everyone knows , but yet seems to forget, Frozone was actually the next target, Mirage switched to Mr. Incredible, and if you noticed the robot was most likely progammed to Frozone, as a volcano would nullify his powers, making him an easy target.
The first one I knew, it's funny how they accidentally found the number one super that Syndrome was most likely looking for. But the second I didn't put together till your comment. I just figured it was just an "evil villain" setting, but yeah it makes sense if they set everything up for Frozone first.
Funnily enough, in the LEGO Incredibles game, we play BOTH characters during the first robot fight scene. While this makes sense for LEGO, it's funnier knowing about that fact :)
So why did the organization not postpone till they built a better robot for Bob? Seems contrived
@@ninjanibba4259 you saw how many each version killed, around 5-6 per version. Maybe it was too late to change it and hoped. Even when it failed, they made one that would have killed him.
@@ninjanibba4259, Syndrome probably didn't want to wait anymore. After all, Bob WAS the one who inadvertently started all of this, albeit in Buddy's twisted mind.
“You’re not affiliated with me!” Has always struck me as such a hysterically mature and exasperated thing to say to a little kid.
13:31 - You TOTALLY missed the subtle storytelling in the flashback. When Buddy was talking with Mr Incredible in the opening, Bomb-voyage was there, but in Buddy's flashback he wasn't. many first chalked it up as a continuity error, but when you think about how much Buddy was fanboying over Mr Incredible, it makes sense he never saw the danger there.
That'd be line someone fanboying SO much over Batman, wanting to be the next Robin, that they don't see the danger with Batman fighting a villain at that moment.
Also, 22:45 - As great as that line is, the way he says the next one was even funnier! He like.. goes 'country-tone' for that "All too good!"
Buddy's country twang is the best bit to quote!
It adds to the idea that Buddy/Syndrome is an unreliable narrator and that his view of what happened that day was horribly skewed
Forgetting a vital detail of the scenario he was in when Bob rejected him adds a brilliant bit of nuance to Syndrome's psychology. To quote the Joker "Memory's so treacherous."
Another detail is that I don't think Buddy ever realised that Bomb Voyage had thrown a bomb onto his cape. I don't think that part was even a false memory for the adult Syndrome. Buddy just literally never noticed the bomb, even when Bob yelled at him and was literally hanging from his cape to save him from it. In Buddy's mind, Bob was trying to hold him back.
The kid on the tricycle was voiced by Brad Bird's son, Nicholas Bird who was also the voice of Squirt in Finding Nemo.
He got it all wrong about Helen originally dying. It was her pilot friend from the past, Snug, that died while flying her and the kids to the island. He wasn't completely cut out of the movie, though, since you can hear his voice over the phone and see a picture of him on Helen's counter.
Oh. I thought he was referring to an even earlier draft of the film were her death was considered.
You mean Snug? Yeah he was gonna be more than just a picture in a frame and a voice on the phone.
He was actually gonna be flying the plane and when Helen was forced to chose who to save, she leapt towards her kids with her old friend being blown up with the plane and sinking into the sea.
They never animated it but they did storyboard the whole thing, making the scene all the more dark.😨
@@MrMnM-ed5htHe was even the one screaming “ABORT! ABORT!” in the storyboard version.
Snug was always a mystery to me because he wasn't exactly shown and I wonder if he's like Helen's ex-boyfriend or something (a part of me even thought if they have an affair, and that was when I was like a kid, hehe)...him supposedly being a minor character that is sacrificed now makes a lot sense why he was mentioned but wasn't added in IMO.
Indeed.
I always like that Syndrome was so versed in superhero tropes, but wasn't self aware that he was a villain. It really plays into the fanboy mentality that strength is more important than the heroic
He's a great twist villain!
Its also a reflection of the quote by Tom Hiddleston, "Every villain is a hero in his own mind". Only the most cartoonishly evil and simple, straightforward villains might acknowledge or see themselves as such and revel in it. Most villains, even if they acknowledge their methods are morally objectionable, rationalize and justify such measures by "the ends justify the means" and that they are really doing a good thing, and anyone who gets in their way is the actual villain.
Syndrome himself directly references this by calling himself a hero and wanting to portray himself as one, while seeing supers as the 'real' villains, for having powers and (in his mind) acting superior to those without, feeling slighted by their competency.
And in the end, he’s destroyed by one of the defining tropes of the superhero genre.
This only proves in my mind 100%(one hundred percent) that Brad Bird is a better filmmaker then the people who made the scream remake from 2022 in their attempt to portray toxic fandom; Brad Bird handled that issue/point much better!!!! And he only needed one(1) villain to do so instead of 2(two)!!!!!!! Dan aka….
Yeah, Syndrome saw himself as a normal guy who got rejected for not being special, and superheroes as selfish narcissists who owe everything to the gifts they were born with
But in reality, Syndrome had super intelligence that he could have used for good, but instead built a huge vanity project that killed and endangered loads of people. While Bob is able to grow past his ego and realise his recklessness, Syndrome just becomes the worst version of what he criticises but without the good intentions to back it up
Tldr incredibles good
Another Fun Fact: Samuel L. Jackson was cast as the voice of Frozone because Brad Bird wanted the character to have the coolest voice.
... You know what, fair. Sam Jackson does have a cool voice
The next cool voice is Keith David
@@robertparker6280 both of their voices are cool.
@@toxicdemon1315 his voice is half the reason why he's in both star wars and the MCU
I wish he did more voice work in animation, he has such a badass motherf*cking voice. ❤
The desperation of Helen calling out "Abort! Abort! Abort!" knowing her kids will die if the missile hits them gives me chills every time
In the earliest storyboards, the man Helen called about getting a plane was actually ON the plane, piloting it. He DIES IN THE EXPLOSION. I guess they figured that was too dark, so they removed him from the scene.
@titangirl161 yeah I saw that deleted scene. Part of me wishes they had kept it, but overall I think I prefer the version they went with- Helen's panic and desperation really makes this scene
Imagine hearing that on a black box...
@@titangirl161No, it was to save animating a character just to kill him off.
@@kirkengstrom917 I didn't know that, but it makes sense. But for Violet to have that on her conscience would be just a bit much for a kids movie (or maybe I'm the only weirdo who looks that far into things). Either way, the right choices were made
I think this film holds up better as an adult than as a child. You see a lot more clever things. For example: Mirage was originally looking for Frozone. What do I mean, the Omni droid lead Mr. Incredible towards the volcano so that “Frozone” wouldn’t use his powers against the droid. The droid was programmed to fight against Frozone. If you remember that the fire was started by Mirage and/or assistances. Then after the fire, Mirage is surprised to see Mr. Incredible
That's a good point. I hadn't considered that before.
I really like your points however we're not shown Mirage being the cause of the fire, yes its a logical conclusion since they were tracking him but who's to say a potential disaster set up was even necessary (it wasn't for Bob). My bigger issue is how exactly they found out Frozones identity. Outside of his monolog story (which doesn't necessarily have to be recent) it seems like he only fights crime with Bob. I suppose evidence of frozone is way easier to see. But I don't think just seeing some ice would be enough for them to launch an operation. They had to be keeping tabs on him especially to know he goes out on Wednesday nights. (Thank you for making put way more thought into a 20 year old kids movie)
Oh shit, The Incredibles is my favorite Pixar movie, I've seen it a million times, and i NEVER PUT THIS TOGETHER
@@alim.9801 that’s why the movie is so good, it doesn’t shove what it’s trying to do in your face. Like when Bob was talking to Mirage and Ellen sneaks into the call, she thinks he’s cheating and perhaps why he’s always gone, successful and happy. That’s why she over exaggerates saying “I Love You, So So Much!” When he leaves. Which I never picked up as a kid.
I love how their superpowers tie in with their personalities. Bob has super strength, as he's trying to support his entire family. Helen has elastic arms, and is stretching herself in various directions, Violet has invisibility, and is insecure Dash has speed, since he's an energetic kid, and Jack Jack has numerous abilities, being a baby, or "Jack of All Trades."
I always thought Jack Jack had multiple powers since, due to being just a baby, he had "infinite potential" thus having more powers as his life wasn't set in stone yet.
Yeah... That's the point..
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It being the point doesn't mean that they can't love it.
Brad Bird did that on purpose
@@claymathewselevator8121 I know, and it also makes sense how they didn't know he had powers at first so we see him as kind of a blank slate.
Fun Fact: You can tell the first Omnidroid Mr. Incredible fought was meant for Frozone because of where it lead the fight to: a volcano.
Frozone’s powers are dependent on moisture, so it’s likely that he would exhaust his powers in a superheated environment like a volcano, making it all the easier to take him out.
Bob indirectly saved Lucious’ life.
Oh my god. I knew Frozone was the initial target but I didn’t think about the fight in the volcano and that it would’ve killed him!
Seems like a stretch
I didn't think about that! 😮
@@d.b.5070 I thought so too, until I remembered that Mirage was originally tailing Lucious, and they only switched to Bob when she realized who he was and what that would mean to Syndrome.
Ah beat me to the comment XD But yeah it makes sense since he was the original target that led Syndrome to Mr. Incredible
10:23 I love the detail that as Bob is getting yelled at by his boss he turns and sees a mugging happening. As soon as he sees it the scene becomes more saturated. Showing that the thought of stopping a crime is literally the only lightning in his life
It’s also just incredibly grim. It isn’t a supervillain, it’s just a random thug beating on an innocent person. Having a scene like that in an animated “kids” movie almost makes it hit harder. You see the fury in Bob’s face. He want to deliver justice and this little prick just brushes it off. Bob’s a true hero
@@Luke101 and we know why it’s grim cause this is happening right now, someplace in more violent cities across the world. Unlike Syndrome and other powered beings, this is something that can happen to us at any unlucky moment
@@ADJackD exactly. It's an extremely grounded human act of violence and cruelty and Bob has to just stand there and watch. I woulda thrown my boss through the wall too and I don't even have powers
@@Luke101 what’s worse is nowadays he wouldn’t ben that he definitely would’ve had a gun or a knife or something making irl ten times worse
I’ve never heard the idea of killing off Helen, but Bird had created a character named Snug who was Helen’s pilot in the old days(You hear him on the phone for like two seconds in the final film when Helen makes preparations to go.) who was gonna bond with the kids a bit and then die in the explosion. He was cut not because Bird thought it was too dark, but because his screen time led to pacing issues.
I think that’s where he got mixed up. He probably heard “The pilot was supposed to die” and thought is was Helen
Bingo
By far My favorite superhero movie. So many iconic scenes from "Where's my super suit?!" to any scene with Syndrome in it. And the Parrs really feel like a family.
Agreed. It's definitely Pixar's best film.
Syndrome is the best villain they've ever created.
That line will never leave my memory, not that I want it to.
The family element is the strongest part of this film, and what the Fantastic 4 STILL can't get right.
It's seriously one of the best animated films of all time.
Fun fact the producers actually had the voice actor of dash run around to make it sound like he was running super fast
That's really cool!
Damn they really cared.
That was Brad Bird who told Spencer to run around the studio for that tiredness.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 yeah I miss when movie productions cared about how their movies turn out and put thought into it. Nowadays they’re all so lazy with their movies.
That's great
Another Fun Fact: Helen's use of radio protocol while flying is exceptionally accurate for a movie. In the director's commentary, Brad Bird tells that Holly Hunter insisted on learning the lingo and its meaning. The terminology used hints that Elastigirl has had military flight training. "VFR on top" means she is flying in the regime of Visual Flight Rules "on top" of a cloud cover. She requests "vectors to the initial", directions how to get to the initial landing approach. "Angels 10" is her altitude call, ten thousand feet, this is a military term. Civilian flights use the term "flight level". "Track east" is her direction of travel. "Buddy spike(d)" is a U.S. Military brevity code meaning "friendly anti-aircraft radar has locked on to me, (please don't shoot)." "Transmitting in the Blind Guard" is a call on the emergency frequency where two-way communication has not been established. "Abort" is also a military brevity code, a directive meaning "stop the action/mission/attack." It should be noted that the term "angels", while popular for the first half of the twentieth century, is outdated. As the "present day" story takes place in 1962 and having flight experience clearly took place in the fifties, this is an appropriate term.
What happened to people caring this much about their craft..?
@@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 they DO still care this much, you must watch a lot of garbage and miss the good stuff out there.
She only said mayday twice though
@@BBJ111what good stuff?
@@paulaccuardi9071 This could be a mistake, or it could be intentional to show that Helen was panicking a lot given her kids were on board with her
17:27 I'm sure many of you caught on to this but it's worth mentioning
You notice when he checks on Elastigirl, her whereabouts are unknown cuz of course, she took retirement seriously but with Frozone his location is known.
That ties back to that scene where Mirage was eavesdropping them while both Bob and Lucius were in the car, that Frozen was supposed to be next to fight the Omnidroid but they realize that Mr Incredible was with him, so they changed targets
So in a way Bob unintentionally saved Frozone's life
Dash running is THE BEST demonstration of super speed in any movie.
I'm surprised Doug didn't talk about Dash's little giggle when he discovered that!
I also like how Dash is just fast _enough_ to not be broken. He's fast, yes, but you could unable to believably be outmanuevered.
@@kdusel1991I love Dash’s little giggle! 😂
All the scenes of bob at the office are perhaps the best commentary in any superhero movie. Bob went from fighting bank robbers and supervillains to now having to work for the type of people in positions of power who perhaps do more damage to society than criminals and can get away with it.
@@HermitKing731 Imagine if Bob spanked his boss instead of grabbing him by the throat and throwing him through several walks
Imagine if Bob spanked his boss instead of grabbing him by the throat and throwing him through several walls.
I don't care what anyone tries to tell me, the super suit scene is the funniest scene in any Pixar movie ever.
Honey, where's my super suit!?
True.
WHERE! 👏 IS! 👏 MY! 👏 SUPER! 👏 SUIT?! 👏
@@robbieking4070a classic line.
This is true. But the Jack-Jack fight with the raccoon scene in the sequel had me laughing out HARD in the theater. I NEVER did that before.
Bob - "it's psychotic, they keep creating new ways to celebrate mediocrity"
it's amazing how that line can be applied to so much that's happened over the years
Agreed.
It's amazing how people think the way things are now is anything new.
@@RedTail1-1No it’s just a reference how we let it be the norm for over a decade. We became so sensitive we had to give participation trophies and cut dodgeball to “protect” kids feelings. Like syndrome said. When everyone’s super, no one will be. The perfect way to end a sense or need to compete and better yourself - eliminate the need to “win” if everyone else wins.
@@DarkEclipse23i love how everyone says this, but can’t think of an actual solution to the problem, sensitive people have existed forever by the way and I played sports as a kid and I never got participation trophies at all, it’s just feels like a new way to complain about things because it doesn’t fit their way of things, guess what, kids should be able to have fun and make friendships with other kids, the trophy is just an add on
However, there is a problem with idealizing the exceptional as well. Bob for a good part of the movie wanted to be the Hero that everyone looks up to. However only to find he craves the simple ordinary things.
There is often a lot of suffering and tradeoffs to be exceptional, and real value often in the good enough.
The scene "Kronos Unveiled " is a great movie moment from the Incredibles. From the silent storytelling, foreshadowing, and amazing musical score it's one of the most amazing scenes from a Pixar movie
Makes me wonder how Gazerbeam found the password "Kronos" before lazering it on the cave wall before his death.
There was a recently storyboarded deleted scene for The Incredibles 2 where Mr. Incredible speaks about Gazerbeam at a memorial service for all of the Supers killed by Syndrome.
Not to mention it's bonechilling.
You left out Dash's giggle when he discovered he could run on water. THAT was the best part of the chase scene!
I'm a school teacher in Germany and just 2 weeks ago I've shown this movie to my class. The kids are all around 11 or 12 years old. Nobody saw that movie before. In the end, they all clapped and were excited. So we can see... this movie still DOES hold up and it's rather timeless! 🙂
Vundabar!
Das ist schon
No wonder! It's not only a lot of fun, but also really empowering for kids.❤😊
Btw Bobs Boss sieht doch aus wie Herbert Feuerstein oder? XD
@@matsudoambition2509 Jawohl und der Herbert Feuerstein spricht die Figur im Deutschen auch!!! Das passt so unglaublich gut!!!!!! ^^
Edna Mode’s “No Capes” speech is one of the best parts of this movie!
You could say that about all her scenes.
@alvaroperez2349 and something that I learned more recently, is the first super Edna mentions was a teenager. Stratogale was in high school when she was sucked into an airplane turbine and died.
I believe that her death hit Edna the hardest and was the ultimate reason for the "no capes." Stratogale would be the last super to fall to that outdated design.
No Capes! - Edna Mode
@@joshuaW5621 "PRESENTATION!!!" -- Megamind
Also love that scene, but every time I see it I yell back "Quick release clasp!"
Another Fun Fact: Seen attending Bob and Helen's wedding are (left to right) Gazerbeam, Edna Marie "E" Mode, and government agent Rick Dicker sitting in the front row, as well as Dynaguy, Stratogal, Thunderhead, and Metaman in the pew behind them. The latter four have one thing in common: they're all seen later (for the last time) in flashbacks within Edna's "No Capes!" monologue. In the superhero database on the DVD, it says for those same heroes Edna mentioned, "Died in action, suit malfunction."
interesting
I do find it funny and very dark how one of the main reasons supes went into hiding was because a man tried to commit suicide, was saved but got injured, and sued Bob…and they sided with the guy who literally caused the whole situation. The train situation is one thing even if he was trying to stop people from getting killed, but that???
The line “you didn’t save my life, you ruined my death! That’s what you did!” lives rent free in my head with just how absurd, dark, and funny it is for a Pixar film.
Honestly, you’re right. I watched the movie again recently and when I got to that bit, I was like “why is everyone siding with a guy that almost *unalived* himself? He’s mentally unstable”. Also as you said the train thing was understandable
What stands out to me the most in this movie is the music paired with Brad Bird's directing style. It feels unconventionally paced, and with a surprising amount of slow, quiet moments. And in those moments, you're allowed to soak in some _stellar_ atmosphere. Like Mr. Incredible visiting the island for the first time, or Elastigirl sneaking into the lair.
That last one in particular is accompanied by the track "Lithe or Death", which is just _gorgeous_ to listen to.
23:54 I don’t know about anyone else but when I was in high school marching band we would often call our uniforms our super suits. So it was pretty common to hear before a show a bunch of band kids quoting “where’s my super suit”
I find that really sweet! ❤
Underrated joke: the robot fixing his back turning the tide of the fight
I need someone to do that to my left shoulder. Somehow, over a month ago, it got a cramp, and it being winter where I live, it can hurt really badly some days. I'm doing Pilates now to get some exercise in my routine, and I'm getting this issue checked at a clinic, so hopefully I'll get some progress soon.
@@MarioBrosFan My mom and I have hypermobility, so we can sympathize and we wish you luck!
My favorite theory about that is the Omnidroid had used that move to kill earlier supers, since once the pop happened it stops pulling Bob. Meaning the AI inside had heard a similar noise before and it meant dead super.
@@MarioBrosFan i really hope your shoulder gets better and the doctor can help!! Hang in there dude 💜
It's creepier when you realize that the Robot was using moves and techniques it's used to kill other Supers.......meaning someone met their end by being pulled apart.
It's crazy how Pixar has done a way better job at a Fantastic 4 film than 3 different movies did.
Hopefully the MCU's new one that comes out next year will be good.
To be fair to the Fox ones those could have been a lot better if they had a better script and directions. the one in 2015 was just outright awful
@@MazeDaGr8yeah that one sucked! But the other two also had issues.
The Incredibles is a lot easier to market: they get powers because they are related, and one of them isn't inexplicably a rock monster
@@kdusel1991 The other two had problems, but I don't think they were too bad. At least they looked the part! Thing looked amazing in those movies, what are the odds the MCU is just gonna CGI that character?
17:29 What's even scarier is that Lucius was going to be the next victim, but when he was spotted with Bob, Syndrome changed the plan.
I'll never forget the reveal of who Syndrome is when he says, "After all, I am your biggest fan." Still gives me goosebumps...
This is, for me, still the best Pixar film to date. It has a challenging, complex message, while still focusing far more on its characters than it does anything else. NC says that he wished that the film would have focused on the family more, yet praised the movie as having a believable and compelling family anyways. That tells me that we got just enough of them to sink the audience into this stylish retro-futuristic 50’s world. It feels like Bird took a lot of notes from Don Bluth movies, and gave us a movie whose dark moments are genuinely weighty while still keeping the movie light and fun as a whole. It’s phenomenal.
I love how Edna says she never looks back. Considering all of the costume heroes that died by capes died basically by her hand (she designed the suits). She holds herself responsible and to a higher standard. She doesn't look back because if she does she'll just be stuck in the past, reminiscing about the people she was friends with, the people she killed.
(I love her I want to hug her)
To be fair, there are other super hero costume designers (they mention one in the next film), so maybe others made the bad cape costumes and she just learned from their mistakes.
I think a better way to word that is people she GOT killed. But yes.
There's also a theory that she was the one who designed Syndrome's suit, and purposefully added a cape.
Another Fun Fact: When Mr. Incredible (Craig T. Nelson) is called into Mr. Huph's (Wallace Shawn's) office, at one point Mr. Huph places his hand on a piece of paper. Judging from Mr. Incredible's expression, it seems like this paper is a termination notice. Actually, it is a memo to all employees, letting them know they will be responsible for buying all of their office supplies. It also states that parking will be metered by the hour, and that their electricity usage will be deducted from their paychecks. The letter concludes by saying that Insuricare has "recorded its highest profits in years."
So they foreshadowed the amount of corporate greed the US has now?
9:52
True in todays world. So much financial uncertainty! yet record profits..hmm
And brainwashed people will still claim there is nothing wrong with the system and that you aren't working hard enough. Completely and willfully ignorant.
Sheesh...That's honestly WORSE than a termination notice!
19:18
There was a version of the script where they hired a pilot, who DID die
Another NC f*ckup
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Not only that, but the Pilot was supposed to be an old friend of Helen’s. The scene after the plane crashes and Helen is staring down into the water after it, was actually from that original script. She’s supposed to be looking after her old friend-whose body would’ve been in the aircraft and left behind.
It was cut mostly cause it was too dark for Pixar.
@@scottylewis8124 actually, the main reason was because they didn't have time to introduce an extra character.
@@kaicreech7336 ah
So for those who don’t know, the two Old Guys who appear in both the Iron Giant and the Incredibles are caricatures of two Disney animators, Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston, who worked on many of Disney’s classic films.
They were part of Disney’s “Nine Old Men”. Brad Bird mentored under the Nine Old Men (mostly with Milt Khal) when he apprenticed at Disney in the late 1970s. It’s a pretty cool story actually, he sent a film to Disney at the age of 14 which caught their attention and they brought him on as a an “unofficial trainee”, unheard of at the time. It was a period of time where a lot of Disney’s top people were approaching retirement age and they were thinking about how to train younger animators to take over.
After attending CalArts several years later (his classmates included future big names like Tim Burton , John Lasseter, and Henry Selick among others) he ended up working for Disney but left after a couple of years since his very outspoken nature clashed with the more conservative management at the time. And the rest is history!
So yes, those two Old Guys aren’t just random characters, they’re animation legends! They had both sadly passed away by the time Incredibles 2 came along, so that’s why they didn’t make an appearance.
Decideded to listen to the DVD commentary for this one. According to Bird, the animation departments for the clothing and skin had to work together in order to do the five second shot of Bob putting his hand through the hole left by the droid. An animation breakthrough for all intents and purposes. Then, to prove they could do it again, the had Edna put her entire arm through the hole at her house. Also Bird mentioned how you don't really see two guys talking in a car in animated movies so put it in as something he always wanted to do.
The difficulty of animating those 2 bits are why I was so impressed by how they had Elsa remove her glove in forzen, focusing on loosening 1 finger at a time. That had to be a BITCH to animate
Shrug of God (from TV Tropes):
- No one who worked on The Incredibles (not even Brad Bird) knows why the *Pizza Planet truck gag* wasn't included in the film.
- When talking about the comics, *Mark Waid* said that Syndrome might have survived the movie but refused to give a definite answer.
- *Brad doesn't know how The Incredibles got their powers,* as he hopes to never explain them.
My guess about the Pizza truck is that it doesn't show up for the same reason it doesn't show up in Brave. The Pizza Planet company didn't exist in the 60s.
@@jeremiahnoar7504 I DO think that a Pizza truck inexplicably being in Brave WOULD be pretty funny.
There is one in brave but it sorta make sense since its on the witch hut as a wood carving @@shadowldrago
@@shadowldrago it would be. And the questions it would leave would keep Pixar theorists up at night.
There’s a video by Eddache that explores the Pizza Planet trucks history and finds it in all other Pixar movies with the aim of finding it in The Incredibles. It’s a great watch.
Hard to believe this movie is 20 years old. I still remember when it came out. I watched it on DVD all the time
Same here.
@@sweethistortea I saw this as a kid in the theatre when it came out. It was awesome!
The Incredibles Villian Syndrome was inspired by it's director Brad Bird and his walk cycle was taken from a animator
The Law that outlaws Superheroes could be a reference to the Kenne Act from Watchmen Comic
BradBird wants Samuel L Jackson to voice Frozone because he wanted the coolest voice
The Jewel Store Scene in the film is a reference to Die Hard with a vegencane with Samuel L Jackson being in that movie as well
Edna the costume designer was voiced by Brad Bird the director of the Incredibles
If you remember the scene where the incredibles save the city there are 2 old men talking about how was good it their day these are inspired by Ollie johnson and Frank Thomas these 2 were part of Walt's 9 old men one of the best animators that worked with Walt and were mentors to Brad Bird
thank you for the last one. since I was a kid I wondered why those two guys were such unique characters
Fun fact, it was on the DVD, Brad Bird did start this movie in 2D, it was supposed to look similar to the Iron Giant, but then that movie flopped, he had to forget everything he knew about animation and start learning again in 3D, the character designs stood the same, that's why you can see a 2D element to them
Incredibles in 2D would've been freaking awesome
I honestly want to see that
Actually, it was "Snug" (Helen's pilot mentor) who Brad Bird wanted to kill off in the plane scene. He was supposed to fly the plane while Helen, Dash and Violet were hitching a ride.
Fun Fact: Jason Lee (Buddy/Syndrome) recorded his lines in four days, while Craig T. Nelson (Bob Parr/Mr. Incredible) recorded his lines over the span of two years.
It’s also too bad a few years later, he was stuck with being part of the he cringe-inducing Alvin and the Chipmunk movies.
@@maxmeidl4909which one? Jason or Craig?
wow
@@joshuaW5621 Jason Lee
well thats because syndrome was oroingally only supposed to show up in the beginning of the movie as seen in the deleted scenes.
Never heard about "Killing Helen", but I know for sure they really really REALLY wanted to kill the pilot who gave her the plane (in that scene).
They had to abandon the idea because (they said) they didn't had enough time to make the viewers attached to the character, so they could feel bad when he would die.
I guess they had enough with Bing Bong.
which is funny because just seeing the guy's hat float up from the wreckage is pretty devastating in the deleted scene
@@stevenhedge2850Not to mention Violet will be consumed with guilt for not saving him.
Violet has two powers because like every member of the family her powers are a metaphor for their place in the Family, Dash is young and full of energy constantly running around, Bob is the strong backbone, Helen is the flexible Mom constantly doing whatever she has to, Jackjack is a baby with limitless potential and Violet is an insecur teen, trying not to be seen (Invisibility) and putting up walls around herself (Force Feild)
I always thought her invisibility was an application of her force-field power.
@playererror4044 And also their powers nearly 1 to 1 mimic a Fantastic 4 character.
Super strength: The Thing
Stretching elasticity: Mr. Fantastic
Invisibility/force fields: The Invisible Woman
Even among JackJack's several powers was lightning himself on fire: the Human Torch
19:03
Fun fact, there was also a script we’re a person did die. Instead of Helen borrowing the plain from an old friend, the old friend was there with them and died when the missiles hit and he went down with the plain.
8:25 I'm pretty sure it's implying Dash still wets the bed or something but feels Jack Jack is lucky for being considered normal despite having the same problem.
The volcano joke at 12:02 was so unexpected, it made me laugh way more than it should
"You sly dog! You got me monologing!"
No capes!!
So many quotable moments in this movie!
@@zacharybartolo5111 Honey? Where is my super suit?!
Relatable
You married Elastagirl? Hohohoho… And got busy.
There's actually another version of the plane scene that was partially voiced and animated. The guy Helen calls on the phone to borrow the plane, Snug, was going to be piloting it instead of Helen. He would have died after the missiles hit and Helen had to leave his body behind to save the kids
The most underappreciated moment in the movie is Bob's reaction to hearing Helen, in utter desperation, radio in that "there are children on board". He's forced to listen to what might be his wife's last moments, helpless to do anything about it, and then, right at the apex of the fear, he hears that. Absolutely chilling.
I feel like there was a moment in the live action Supergirl series that was directly inspired by the famous "cape scene" you reference at 13:08 It was when they were doing a montage of costume designs for her and a capeless one caused her to take a turn too wide and crash into a truck, turns out the resistance caused by the cape made high speed cornering easier and revealed a practical reason for Superman's suit having it. To this day I'm certain that was made to DIRECTLY reference AND contradict Edna's "no capes" rule.
I also love how they show Mirage is obviously attracted to Bob even though they never crossed that line into affair territory (which the deleted/alternate scenes on the DVD show WAS going to be a plot point.) Assuming she's about the same age as Syndrome she would have been a kid or young teen in Mr. Incredible's heyday, he was probably her first crush.
17:47 holy crap, I just realized the trap that caught Mr. Incredible is MINETA'S QUIRK! Mineta, the grape headed kid from My Hero Academia...I know Horikoshi was inspired by American comics when he made that series but did he watch THIS too?
24:15 Now I want to see Bob describe Syndrome to Lucius, and Lucius asks "Does he look like a bitch?"
Hahahaha
"What?"
@@imperialguard28 *BANG*
When I was a kid, my sister and I introduced this movie to our late godfather. It swiftly became his favorite movie. He sadly died a few months before the sequel came out, and while I'll obviously never know if he would've liked it or not, I can always go back and watch the (vastly superior) original in his memory.
Felt like a missed joke:
“How many crimes have you stopped?”
“None.”
“Well let’s start with that crime of fashion. Your outfits are hideous!”
One of the reasons Ive always liked the airplane scene is it shows how easy Helen can slip back into the glory days just like Bob. Shes treating her daughter like a fellow super not a kid.
14:17 Fun fact: In the Argentinian dub, they changed Syndrome's line here from "Brilliant..." to "I'm such a dumbass..."
Honestly makes it even funnier.
Swearing in a Disney dub?
The Finnish version replaces it with a typical Finnish proverb that basically translates to "Oh, snot."
@@wikiuser92 Jumalauta että rakastan meidän kieltä! 😂
@@Logitah Sama täällä!
Qué dice? Seré pelotudo?
If anything, The Incredibles is more like Watchmen.
6:55 Case in point.
Exactly.
And NOT Fantastic Four.
Two COMPLETELY different things.
I love that this film had inspiration from "Jonny Quest" with the robot villain reminiscent of "the Robot Spy" and the "Jack Jack" short on the DVD starting just like any episode of that classic animated TV series.
Sad fact:
Stratogale was only 18 when she was sucked up into that jet turbine and died. She is 100% the reason Edna became so cynical and implemented the "No capes" rule
Helen dying? You mean Snug? Yeah he was gonna be more than just a picture in a frame and a voice on the phone.
He was actually gonna be flying the plane and when Helen was forced to choose who to save, she leapt towards her kids with her old friend being blown up with the plane and sinking into the sea.
They never animated it but they did storyboard the whole thing, making the scene all the more dark.😨
Actually I heard it was cut due to pacing issues and the crew not believing they could develop Snug enough to make his death impactful enough
Still amongst the top 5 best Pixar films ever made
Critic didn’t touch on my favorite part!😭😭
“ what are you waiting for?!”
“ idk … something amazing?.. I guess..”
You can really tell mr incredible misses his glory days and is sad he expects it to all be behind him.
While he loves his family being mr incredible WAS his identity not Bob much how like Bruce sees himself as Batman and Bruce is the mask.
So to mr incredible it’s a loss of self and not knowing What your place in the world is anymore.
That’s why his “ me too kid … me too “ hit so hard ! You can really tell he’s waiting for the one excuse he can find to be that version of himself again and doesn’t believe he will ever get the chance.
And then there's the payoff at the end: "THAT WAS TOTALLY WICKED!"
Every moment in this movie is great.
Something that took me years to realize was that there was a specific reason the first Omnidroid fight took place in a lava-filled area. Frozone was specified to have been the original target before they switched last minute to Bob. Had things gone according to plan, that would've likely ended up being his fight instead, and inevitably, his end given that his powers don't work well in heat-based areas.
They ended up in the volcano by accident, but yeah it's a fair assumption that they would have tried to force Frozone into it if he showed up.
There's actually a theory that Edna couldn't directly kill Syndrome but she knew he was evil. So when he had her make his suit, she put a cape on it in the hope it'd lead to him being killed
That’s a bit of a leap, assuming Edna made Syndrome’s suit, given that everything else he does is fairly self-sufficient; makes his own tech, grows his own food, he doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy to let someone else design his suit especially when getting the glory and recognition was the whole point
22:47 in my region A Bugs Life was PG. I think it was for the violent beat down that hopper and thumper gave to flick
Syndrome is one hell of a villain.
Another Fun Fact: When Frozone (Samuel L. Jackson) starts speed skating, his moves are modelled after Olympic gold medalist Shani Davis. Davis jokingly remarked in a Dutch program that he was really upset, because he didn't get any type of money for it. ("Yeah it's me, who else swings his arms like that!")
I cannot believe it’s been 20 YEARS since the original! Also, can we all agree that Edna Mode is one of the all time GREAT Pixar characters?
I feel pretty confident in saying that Edna Mode is everyone’s favorite character in these movies!
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24:07
I laughed so hard at this part!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can't believe that Doug forgot to mention Michael Giacchino score. Its so hypnotic and catchy. Who would later score many MCU movies (Doctor Strange and Holland Spiderman Trilogy) and The Batman.
23:39 I’d honestly be more worried about Jack Jack growing up to be Homelander. 😨
He's got good parents, don't think we need to worry about that
"He's right wing and the villain actually."
*literal coolest thing ever: pic of Homelander*
I think Dash is more likely to turn villain. He uses his powers to torment non supers. He despises the idea that everyone can be special in their own way, and he was encouraged to dominate sporting events just to demonstrate his superiority.
(25:04) I take my hat off to Walt Disney’s top animators. Nothing but mad respect for these two who lived to at least be part of The Incredibles. Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston.
23:13 In all fairness, Scar’s original name literally meant dirt because his father saw him as worthless and a waste of space. He only gained a tiny bit of respect from his father for challenging his brother and getting the scar on his face.
19:10 Actually your mixing up a production fact as the pilot of the plane was supposed to die but it wasn’t Helen but a pilot buddy named Snug. He was cut due to the crew believing he wouldn’t be developed enough to care about his demise but his voice and picture of him was kept in the final release
25:23 It is theorized that Edna had designed his suit and specifically with that flaw. While it is one she regrets for the deaths it caused, it was the design flaw she used to ultimately get revenge against the one who killed HER projects.
I never really compared the Incredibles to the Fantastic Four. Even though the main team consists of 4 members (Not counting Jack-Jack)
But the Incredibles do have just about the same level of awesomeness as the Fantastic Four!
Except their supervillain isn't as awesome or fantastic as Doctor Doom.
Doctor Doom is MILES ahead more awesome and badass than Symdrome.
And he has done far greater and superior things Symdrome has never done before.
Fun fact, when I was a kid, I misunderstood the clock analogy. I thought he was saying "A company is like an enormous clog. It only works if all the little clogs mash together." I was like, "What are you talking about.
I also thought Gazer Beam's name was "KRONOS."
Fun fact: in Polish dub Edna wasn't voiced by a voice actor either, but by a female rock singer who managed to record lines for the sequel short before her death. Her low voice was great for it
The Incredibles is definitely one of Pixars best films
Happy 20th anniversary to the Incredibles
“I mean, after all, I am your biggest fan.”
“Buddy?”
“My name is not BUDDY!”
“And it’s not incrediboy either!”
@@DiegoHernandez-xt2su "That ship has sailed! All I wanted to do was help. I only wanted to help! And what did you say to me?"
@@PaulW_ftPAULK"Fly home, Buddy. I work alone."
@@toxicdemon1315 “it tore me apart, but I learned an important lesson you can’t count on anyone especially your heroes”
@toxicdemon1315 that tore me apart but I learn an important lesson you can never trust anyone especially your heroes
The most valuable thing that this movie ever gave me was the mental image of Helen getting taller and taller as she shouts at Bob saying "It is Not. ABOUT. YOU!" I play that mentally whenever I get in my own head. "Do they hate me, are my shoes clean enough," "it is Not. ABOUT. YOU!"
I remember reading they did that to avoid bad vibes of big man in argument with tiny woman yelling down at her, so they made her taller so SHE could yell down at HIM and even it out
19:10 Helen wasn’t the one who was supposed to die; it was Snug, Helen’s friend and former mechanic who was supposed to pilot the aircraft and die in the crash. He was cut from the film, was only mentioned by name and appeared briefly in a picture alongside Helen
Review Disney's The Wild please.
That could be fun
@@CaptainCat101 he also still needs to do Hercules since he kinda teased it during the treasure planet review!
He did a Disneycember video about The Wild a long time ago and he gave it a positive review
2:34 Old👴... Mr. Incredible also has two powers. He's also super durable. He got run over by a tank and was totally fine. In a deleted scene he put his hand under a knife and the knife dented instead. You missed an opportunity to make a joke and show Vizzini saying "I'll just have to find myself a new giant, that's all!".
“Honey, where is my super suit?”
Syndrome is such a great villain in this. He's an evil genius but he still has that fanboy energy in him, showing that his love of heroes never fully left him. Also, he's actually a good twist villain. He's not a character that has one personality throughout most of the movie and then flips during the third act. The twist here is that someone from the beginning of the film is the villain. Plus, they allow him ample time to be a villain by reintroducing him around the half way point.
Gotta disagree with Doug. This is the best Pixar movie ever and the best superhero movie of all time. As well as a strong contender for the best animated movie ever.
23:57 WHERE IS MY SUPER SUIT?!?
"I, uh, put it away!"
@@luigipowdemo6458 WHERE?
@@dragondaveltd1992 Why do you need to know?
@@jcj268 I NEED IT!
@@jcj268 I NEED IT!
20:02
"Son motorboats mom while sister rides her"
22:09 i had the incredibles video game as a kid, and the dash level based on this moment was so much fun.
One thing I love about the scene where dash is running from the guards…he doesn’t deliberately dive under the water, it’s just what happens when he comes fully to a stop…it’s a nice little detail
The first time Mr. Incredible fought the Omnidroid, it was meant to fight Frozone first. The way it brought the fight to the area with Lava where there was little to no moisture in the air there and any ice he used would've melted too fast to be of any use.
What drives me the most crazy about this movie is that they talk about the fact that Syndrome(Bobby) doesn't have superpowers but he does. Why does no one notice? He is a super genius!