PROPRESENTER 7 & LOWER THIRDS: Getting the Most Out of Looks & Actions
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- In this overview, I explain how our church utilizes ProPresenter 7's powerful feature set to format our text and graphic context for our in person service and our livestream simultaneously from the same computer. The challenge for us initially was to consume as few inputs as possible on our ATEM TV Studio HD video switcher while still giving us the ability to create beautiful and intricate lower thirds content. With this setup, we're able to do just that with using only 2 inputs on our video switcher, leaving the remaining 6 inputs for cameras.
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00:00 Intro
00:46 Hardware Overview
01:38 Screen Configuration in PP7
03:48 Why & How We Use Key & Fill Source for Lower Thirds & Full Screen Content
04:46 Downstream Key Always On
06:04 Looks & Actions Walkthrough
06:10 Looks - Full Screen
07:09 Looks - Using Clear Cues & Actions to Remove Full Screen Content
08:01 Looks - Mirroring Main Screen Content to Lower Thirds
10:09 Looks - Using A Look To Clear Lower Thirds
11:03 Looks - Lower Thirds Formatting for Lyrics
12:50 Looks - Add Blank Look on Blank Slides in Songs
13:30 Stage Display Charts
16:25 Stage Actions for Rear Screen Layouts
17:51 How To Format for Full Screen Videos (Announcements)
19:08 How To Format Lower Thirds for Announcements Delivered Live
22:36 Looks - Prevent Any Slide's Content From Displaying Anywhere
23:26 Looks & Themes - Formatting Lower Thirds for Sermon Content
27:54 Closing Thoughts
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iMac | 27" 5K 2017 | 4.2 GHz i7 | 16 GB 2400 DDR4 | Radeon Pro 580 8 GB
Blackmagic Decklink Duo 2
Sonnet Echo Express SE I
CalDigit Thunderbolt 3 Dual HDMI Adaptor
Blackmagic ATEM TV Studio HD
Decimator MD-HX Converter
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ATEM + ProPresenter: 4 Options for Lower Thirds
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This is one of the best tutorials I've ever seen! Been wanting to do more advanced stuff with Pro7 but most of the videos I've seen either don't go into detail about stuff or go around in circles. Please do more of these, I feel the community needs it.
I’m so glad I stumbled upon this tutorial! I was going to put WAY too much work into the full screen/L3 announcements look. Thank you for taking the time to make this video. It was such a blessing.
I was still brain dead at the end of my setup bc I needed an LED wall output, imag output tied to lobby outputs, then a livestream output. It was the physical routing that really confused me with how looks work and how to get what I needed to each screen. But I got eventually got it with the help of this video.
Thank you so much for the video. Finally a video that shows ATEM setup and what is happening in Pro Presenter 7. Thank You!
This is exactly what I’ve been searching for! Thank you!
This was a great tutorial. Thanks so much for taking the time to put this together.
This was great!!!! You have no idea how long I've been trying to do the custom lower 3rd for announcements and you just showed me!!! Thank You!!! God bless.
Thank you for the awesome inspiration, your work and template are so clean and professional.
Thank you for your easy to understand tutorial. I'm looking forward to checking out the rest of your videos.
Super super helpful as we move into streaming live through PP7. Thanks for making this resource. - Steve
This is a huge help! Thanks so much Devan!
Just what I needed.
Such a great tutorial! Thank you SO much!
Wow, great video!!!
This was really good. Thanks for sharing
Man was this really great! Would love to see a video just on how to design those themes that are used in the Looks.
Thank you so much!
That was really useful.
Thanks a lot for the presentation
I will be needing your help soon
Bro.... You da man! This is an awesome video and popped up when I was googling for how to do lower thirds in PP7. I planned on just a super simple lower thirds text only option for our livestream feed, but your video went so much farther and helped me turn it up to 11. I added multiple new themes and looks for our livestream lower thirds now and can't wait to show our volunteers all this new stuff... not to mention that all your explanations of different looks helped me get it all set up so our streaming tech won't even have to change OBS sources once the sermon starts and he calls up the scene that layers the camera feed with our new PP7 lower third NDI connection that uses all these new looks. I just went from two techs having to change graphics all the time, roughly in sync, down to one who won't have to do anything different yet will be changing the graphics on both the auditorium screens and the livestream at the same time.
YES!! I’m so glad it helped!!
This video is great! The idea about keeping your DSK live all the time is a game changer. Sometimes our video switcher and propresenter operator are not on the same page timing-wise, which can cause some full screen graphics accidentally or not have any lower third lyrics when there should be. Awesome video!
Also, putting on a timer to auto-advance after the video announcement is another great idea.
Thanks Spencer! Yeah this is exactly what we were trying to avoid-having two operators. Since we converted to this method we’ve never had to have two separate people run media. It’s be great!
Thank you so much for this informative video. I appreciate your efforts as I'm about to become the graphics op on PP7. =)
My pleasure! Glad it was helpful!!
This is great man! We're doing a lot of the same things in Pro7! One thing I noticed, for your announcement video, you have the Go To Next Timer set for 391 seconds. If you change the video to Foreground (Right Click > Media Action Behavior > Foreground), that will change the Go To Next Timer to start after the video is played. So, for every video you drag in, switch it to foreground, and just have the Go To Next Timer set to .5 seconds or whatever length you want and it will always start at the end of whatever video you have there. Just a suggestion! I've gotten a few ideas from watching your tutorial!
Thanks for that! Someone else actually pointed that out to me a little bit ago and I have since adjusted my practices. Always good to learn from others!
@@devanbumstead Awesome! I should have looked at the other comments before posting mine! I'd love to see your services. What is the name of your church?
This rocked by world! Great job explaining how to use all the different layers. How you are doing announcements & sermon looks to send separate things to screens & stream is mind blowing. Thanks so much!
Thanks Jerry! So glad it helped unlock some amazing features of PP7 for ya!
@@devanbumstead Devan, thanks again this is fantastic. We installed Decklink last week and used for the first time last Sunday. It all worked great. We did not do the alpha key on announcements like you did but did something similar. Our projection screen is a doublewide (3840x1080) centered over the stage. Our communications pastor creates doublewide announcement slides and HD(1920x1080) announcement slides for the lobby screens. So instead of keying announcements, we put the doublewide slides on the background layer and the HD slides on the slide layer. That way the HD slides go to the live stream full. That worked great. I'm wondering if you guys do intro countdowns during preservice in house or on the stream. If so, how are you doing it?
We want to try that this week. But I'd like to have an announcement loop going during preservice. I assume this would be simple since PP Countdowns appear on the props layer. I'd just have to figure out where to place the countdown text that doesn't interfere with the Announcement content. Thanks for your help.
@@jwalker6188 Hey Jerry, so glad it all worked out for you! We mirror our pre-service countdown in the auditorium and on our livestream. We don’t feel the need (at the moment) to do to separate things for our different audiences since we feel the countdown video helps our in person people too. But it does seem like there’s a way to do what you are attempting to do. I just have no personal experience with doing it that way. But I love that propresenter is so flexible! Good luck with that and let me know what you ultimately do. I’d love to see how you set that up.
@@devanbumstead Thanks, for all your help. I pray everything is going okay with you and your family. I've noticed you have not posted anything lately, so I'm praying everything is okay.
We finally got everything working with our new PP7 computer with new Deck-Link running key & alpha to our ATEM TVS switcher. We are still working on a few things, trying to decide which stream graphics to play from PP7 and which ones to play from the switcher. Our main screen is a double wide 3840x1080(we call 2x), so that means we have to do things a little differently. We are using the trick you showed us of sending background layer (2x) to the projector and slide layer (HD) to the stream. This week, we got the props layer working to have our countdown to service while the announcements played. We also used PP7's latest scrolling text tool. I'd love to hear what you think. I messed up a few things switching, but take a look if you have time. ruclips.net/video/0qX5eSkBOVg/видео.html
So very helpful. Thank you. We are using propresentor 6 (master/slave computers) and ATEM mini pro. So many varied configurations. Excited to eventually upgrade to propresentor 7 but we would need new Mac to run it plus more hardware to pull it all off. A lot to think about. Thanks again.
Great job! Been utilizing most of the same tips for looks but I was creating a new look for each announcement slide instead of using media for lower thirds and the slide for the main screen! That is worth a subscribe and a like (:
So good to hear! Love that trick too! We use lots of Looks for the sermon but you’re right, it would get a little crazy for announcements. Although I guess you could just make 5-6 announcement looks (i.e. “Ann1”, “Ann2”, “Ann3”, etc.) and just change them each week from the Themes editor. It’s not a bad way to do it either. And then the thumbnail wouldn’t have the lower third and the slide showing at the same time. That’s a tiny problem for us since our Stage Display shows both images on top of each other, sometimes hiding important info from the main slide.
Super helpful video. Thanks so much. Do you import your weekly playlist from planning centre?
I do like the idea of actions in ProPresenter changing the house/broadcast feed - it should really reduce the ATEM activity and have fewer missed ques. Thanks!
Grand - Awesome video Devan.. in less than 30 minutes, you just solved every problem our church has been experiencing for the past 4+ years ... How can I get access to your Stage Display Charts?
I am trying to get my black box to fade like your on the songs. How did you get the right box of the gradient fill to split? Hope that makes sense.
Devan - most appreciative for the explanations. Can you tell me how you got your lower thirds to fade from black to transparent? I'm trying to enlarge your settings and see how you filled your gradient, but I can't understand how you got the black and white second fill box to look like that (shows a black and white diagonal). I put transparent into the second box but it doesn't fade up like yours.
Awesome video! I have just one question...Can you do a video on how you created those lower third announcements? They look really good!!!
God bless!
Great video. So, between notes and scripture do you use a slide with just the graphic for in house and the message blank theme for the livestream? I’ve been trying to come up with a way to leave the note item on the in house screen while clearing it from the livestream. Right now I do what it appears you are doing and leave my sermon series graphic up with no slide content. I use a different method by setting my background image visibility to the text box having content. Sometimes I want to leave something on the in house screen and clear the lower thirds. I could duplicate the slide and change the look but I would rather not duplicate and I would have to set the transition to cut to keep the slide in house from changing so the result is a cut on the lower thirds as well.
Hey Devan, how do you do a slower fade when switching off the Text Lower Thirds to the Blank Lower Thirds look? I was able to replicate what you do, however my fade out is super fast... Any thoughts???
For the graphic image under the lower third text sent to the stream over NDI - after the last slide is done, how do we turn off the graphic image? The text will no longer display but the image still gets sent over the output until a different slide is selected. Tried using a blank slide, but the image still gets sent.
I just thought I'd check the whole PDF import thing and it looks like you can't import them at all anymore. And PPT gets converted to JPG images. It's almost as if they were getting too many tech support calls about importing (and people losing their formatting etc). I'm disappointed it won't import PSD files. Affinity Designer can easily export PSD files with full layer separation. Makes you wonder if they are concerned people can import heaps of songs and bypass buying them through renewed vision.
Great video - this definitely helped my setup. One question - do you do IMAG or show video from your cameras on your main output? I have to, and I'm figuring out the best way to seamlessly switch main output (FOH projectors in our case) between cameras and full screen pro-presenter content, while sending lower-third to ATEM
Thanks for the kind words. We don’t IMAG all the time but we have and it works! You have to create a specific Look for it as well as add a live video action on the slide you want the IMAG for.
Thanks for the quick response. I assume you use your DeckLink Duo 2 for video input into PP7, then out to your display. Any noticeable latency?
Yep, exactly. I think I showed that around 1:30 in the video. But latency, yep, for sure. We’re not super heavy with IMAG stuff though so it hasn’t been a big deal for us. Not sure how that would work for someone who uses IMAG all the time.
This is super helpful. Could you do a video or explain what software you are using to create your announcement slides for full screen and lower thirds? Are you creating them from scratch or using templates?
Stanford, I'm glad it was helpful! I use a program called Affinity Designer for all our church's graphics. It's essentially the same as Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop only cheaper and much more intuitive to me. Because we design most graphics from scratch in house, we have access to all the individual pieces of the graphic and can quickly rearrange those pieces into a lower third image and simply export it as a .png with a transparent background. If you end up buying Affinity Designer, you can use this file as a template for your graphics: www.dropbox.com/s/0z57dkx4oeelo3j/NPFCC%20Graphic%20Example.zip?dl=0
I'm new to Propresenter 7. I've created my Bible lower 3rds but having a hard time figuring out how to configure it to display as a lower 3rd under my Pastor during a "live" stream. Is it configured in Looks?
Great Video. A question about your announcement go to next timer ... You set it up so that the timer is the same length as the video. This suggests to me that your announcement video is a 'background' element. If you made is a 'foreground' element, the timer value could always be zero. This would be simpler, wouldn't it? Is there a benefit to your timer configuration that I am missing?
You’re absolutely correct and I now do that for all my videos. I change them to Foreground, set the Go To Next timer at 0, change the Behavior to Stop, and in the Inspector select the Fade To Clear option so the video transitions smoothly to the next element.
Excellent video on what I' working toward once my gear arrives. I like the fact that the video switcher does not have to be operated expect for different camera angles. Thank you!
Can this same setup be done on an ATEM Mini Pro? I might have missed this but where is your video encoder setup for your stream?
Hey Nick, glad it was helpful! I think this will work with the ATEM Mini Pro but you’d have to get SDI to HDMI converters to connect the DeckLink 2 Duo to the ATEM. And it would take up 2 inputs leaving you only 2 left. But I can’t see why it wouldn’t work.
We use a Resi Ray encoder and our ATEM TV Studio runs a SDI out to that. Then we use Resi’s services to stream to the web.
@@devanbumstead I agree... The ATEM Mini "should" be able to do this as well as provide encoding for the stream. Overall our sanctuary and would rely on fixed PTZ cameras for a main camera and side shot. It also sounds like the only switching action performed by your operator or director is to switch between the cameras that you have connected to you ATEM TV Studio HD??
Correct, that’s all the VD has to do
Quick question is there a way you could share that template
Great video. I am new to all of this and we are just getting Pro7 set up and hoping to make the leap next month, so this is very timely!
I am still wrapping my head around Keyes, but generally get how they work. Will the alpha key through NDI allow for the multiple views as the deck link duo can do?For example the announcement slides...full view to main projector and lower 3rd text to live stream as shown. Thx!
Lynn, you'll love PP7 once you get the hang of it! NDI is a much different (and easier) thing than using two hardware outputs to accomplish a key/fill. I'm assuming you're using Wirecast or OBS or some other software to send your stream to the web, yes? If so, it will accept an NDI feed over your network and overlay the lower thirds in the software for you on another layer. But you can do all the fun stuff I detailed in this video, just using NDI instead.
@@devanbumstead we are currently using OBS and create lower 3rds through scenes and an HDMI split of our main screen from Pro6. We are restructuring some things on our network but hope to make use of NDI once done. I am really liking Pro7. We look forward to Pro7 being able to carry some of the load that right now our broadcasting tech is carrying (who also happens to run sound 😳) in OBS.
Does doing IMAG this way induce any additional latency?
This was such a helpful video for me! Thank you for sharing this. I do have one question: I love the idea of a gradient with the lyrics. However, on my end, my switcher loads the gradient and the text at the same time, but while the gradient is loading, the text is briefly black before turning white. All of this happens in a matter of milliseconds, but it's still very noticeable, so I haven't used this feature live yet. I notice on your church's stream that you do not have this issue when your lyrics appear on the screen. Would you have any clue why this is happening for us? We're running an alpha key as well.
Thanks Anna, I’m glad it was helpful! Question, have you upgraded to 7.4.1? They addressed an issue where the text fades to black briefly in between slides. Perhaps that’s simply the issue?
@@devanbumstead that may be it! I’ll check that out. Thank you so much!
Do you ever use the aux feed as a program feed to your projector. During worship we like to show live video of worship team/band.
Yep. We do it on occasion and also for baptisms. But our room is small so we don’t need to show the band too often.
Can you do a tutorial on how you created the sermon lower 3rds?
Howdy! That’s a good request. I’ll throw it on my to do list and reach out when it’s done.
@@devanbumstead thanks I really appreciate it!!
Hey there! I had never streamed from within PP7 until recently. I'm testing out condensing down to one computer and have ours set similar to your tutorial. However, I was wondering about your live stream routing within PP. Are you running the video input through your screen labeled "Lower Thirds?" It seemed like you might run your video on that screen since I only saw main, thirds, and patio in your setup and going live has you choose which screen to broadcast. If so, what is your unlabeled fourth (bottom right) feed in your multiviewer? Thank you!
Hey Nate, no, we don’t stream from within PP7. We have Resi’s Ray encoder (hardware) and run a separate video switcher into that. I use the Decklink card to send a Fill and Key from PP7 to my ATEM switcher. I do also have the Decklink card set up to receive an input signal into PP7 but that’s just in the event I want to show the cameras on the main screens in the Auditorium.
@@devanbumstead Ah, that makes sense. Thank you for the response! We are in a bit of a unique situation. I've been streaming for like 7 years and am used to doing all this but via sending to Wirecast/VMix.
However, I moved, and my church here also uses Resi but from within a computer dedicated to streaming out of PP. We are the smallest and newest of like 8 campuses but also run the stream from our location. I helped get them to true live a few months ago for the first time.
Now, I'm helping the tech team condense the load based on the new single-display out M1 iMac they just got to replace the dying main screen one thru a decklink and chassis and some decimators (which also eliminates our L3 computer and lets the director focus on switching video instead of dual tasking a second lyrics computer).
We were playing with the idea of doing it all thru the new computer and repurposing the streaming laptop to the keys player (we borrow a lot of my gear and my performance macbook is dying too!). That about runs me to my limit of PP7 knowledge.
Sorry this is so long. Your tutorial was fantastic! If you have any tips or things to look out for with this idea, let me know. Between you, some testing, and Renewed Vision's videos, I think I almost have it possible, but there is nothing like having better minds on it.
You are making magic with Pro 7. Just have question regarding the sonnet box. I have the same one with the decklink. I'm yet to install it on my Mac Mini. Does it have to install to a thunderbolt port that does display also or can be plugged in a non display Thunderbolt port. Thanks.
Thanks Bradley! That’s a great question. My iMac has two thunderbolt ports and both work with my sonnet box. Though, if I were to take a wild guess I’d imagine it doesn’t need to be connected to the thunderbolt that can output a display because the decklink card itself is creating its own capacity for more outputs. But that’s certainly outside my knowledge.
@@devanbumstead thanks for the reply. I guess I'll have try it out.
Could you do please more detail video about stage display with chords?
Working on it! Stay tuned!
@@devanbumstead Thank you 😊
Hi Devan! You talk about using a blank slide to clear the lower thirds background that you have for songs.... can you explain how you made the template for that one? I've been trying for a little while and can't seem to figure it out. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you!
I was actually guided to an even better solution from a renewed vision employee. I now use this method and only use a single Look for the entire song: When building the Theme for the lower third format, make your background shape however you like and then check the box that says “Visibility” on the right column. There will be options there to make the object invisible when there is no text. So what happens during blank slides with no text is that both the text and the object disappear from the lower thirds. Works like a charm and saves a bunch of unnecessary work. It also allows you to only apply the Look/Action on the first slide or two of the song instead of needing it on every slide.
When I overlay the announcement lower thirds and do all the adjustments to the looks, I can see the announcement lower third on my livestream. The problem though, is some of the announcement lower third is faded out, How do I get the announcement lower third to show properly when setting it up the way you did during 19:10-22:36?
Hmmm, without knowing too much about your hardware setup, I may not be able to solve this very easy. But may I ask, do you have dual outputs with an an alpha key set up to display your lower thirds or are you using using a single output and using a luma or chroma key?
Awesome Video! How do you make your png's?
With a program called Affinity Designer for Mac. Love it because it’s much easier to understand than Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator
Hey Devin how can I reach out to you to help me with something like this? We use pro presenter, v-mix and atem mini. However we used to use OBS
Hi, have you tried using the Bible on Pro 7 with looks?
I tried using bible, but it doesnt work with look.
Is there a way to have the scripture and reference to the audience but only the reference to online streaming?
Although I've not tried, I believe you can. The text boxes are labeled "Bible Text" and "Bible Reference" so if you simply omit the "Bible Text" box on your lower thirds template, the reference alone should display in whatever format you'd like.
When playing videos in propresenter into the atem mini, how is your audio routed? We have to offset our audio by a few frames in one to fix some sync issues ( we really should be doing this in the atem, I just have never gone back to fix it since they made that feature available in the atem ) I am just wondering how we can play videos in propresenter and not experience out of sync audio due to our corrections
We have very minor sync issues without adjusting anything and we just live with it. But our audio is routed through the soundboard which in turn is fed, through Dante, down to my broadcast audio computer alongside everything else.
@@devanbumstead Thanks for replying so quickly, I'm eager to try it. Our church has finally upgraded to 7
With the lower custom thirds covered around the 20:00 mark. How do you make see through graphics?
In my photo editing software (Affinity Designer which is similar to Illustrator), I set my background of the whole document to be transparent. Then, I can change the opacity on any object I like and when I export it as a .png it retains that translucency in ProPresenter.
Any ideas on why I can't get any color on my lower thirds. I tried to use a shape with gradient fill but just get a "white frost" look no matter what color I use. We are using a Black Magic Ultrastudio HD Mini to a Panasonic Switcher that has a Fill/Key that we toggle to get the lower thirds. My set up in Pro Indicates an Alpha Key.
My guess is that the problem lies with the Panasonic switcher. Maybe that needs to be set to receive a fill and key instead of a chroma or Luma key
@@devanbumstead I agree .... I believe the Switcher set up is limiting our options. I will pursue that. Your tutorial was awesome. I am glad I found it! You are a great resource!!!
"How To Format Lower Thirds for Announcements Delivered Live"
.png works... but can you add a lower third video? I see images work for lower thirds but what about lower thirds that are motion graphics?
Great question. I haven’t tried that but sounds like fun. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if PP7 could do that.
which program are you using to get the colorful backgrounds?
I use a program called Affinity Designer to make the lower thirds graphics as well as our full screen graphics. It’s basically Adobe Illustrator, just easier to understand.
How do you get your looks to fade out? Every time I go to a new audience look on a blank slide it cuts instead of dissolve.
At the top right of the Item, set the transition to fade. I set mine to 0.6 seconds. It's a global setting per Presentation Item.
I cannot figure out how people are using PP7 - we've attempted it 3 times but it constantly crashes.
It definitely takes a stout computer. Ours runs very slow at times. We have a 2017 iMac. I forgot all the specs but I believe it’s an i7 with 16gb of RAM. It runs slow but never outright crashes. We need to upgrade. May wait for the Apple M1 iMac.
@@devanbumstead Ours is much beefier than yours, it runs fine when it runs but it randomly crashes when you move to next slide. Has done that since it was first released and still does (tested on multiple computers and it does the same on both)
PP6 has never one crashed on us. Very odd.
But despite all that I loved your video..you got some intense set up three we're not that in depth haha. I am trying to see if I can persuade the masses to let us use graphics for our scripture lower 3rds like you have (we just have a black bkg currently)
Here's one of our recent streams. We're still learning. We lost our pastor last week to COVID and I'm just trying to think of ways to better server and honor God and reach people (although we do a good job already I think) fb.watch/46V7_4In3X/
@@NewYears1978 That’s so odd. Did you start PP7 from scratch or did you import all of your content from PP6 into it? We had issues at first that got solved when we started with a blank slate instead. Also try reaching out to Renewed Vision. They’ve been helpful when I’ve called.
@@devanbumstead I think our tech lead imported some stuff in. I heard some lingering issues can arise from that. Maybe we’ll have try fresh sometime that’s just a lot of work since we have so much built out
Good information, but everyone's doing videos with everything already set up. That leaves out a LOT of information about how you got to that point.
I believe I linked a diagram of all the hardware in the description. Or are you referring to how to set up the software side of things?