Bought this since it's the only EV with a decent (>20cm) ground clearance in the price bracket. Was looking also at Model Y but I'm pretty sure I would end up getting stuck during winters on forest tracks. (Finland)
With the whole point about the driving display being mounted above the steering wheel instead of being and the complaint some people have about the wheel potentially obscuring it depending on your seating position - maybe this point isn't very well made, but how is that different from literally any other car? I'm quite tall and I have to duck my head slightly to see parts of the instrument display in my current car. It's not a huge inconvenience, it's just a natural result of not everyone being able to view the same display from the same position. Is this video saying they found the issue worse in this vehicle?
How can it be a major turing point for Subaru when the entry level price is £50k?! How many people can afford to spend that much on a car? You car reviewers seem to live in a different world!
Well as much I agree with you, it seems the future of car buying is now in leasing. The second hand market is being kept artificially high (cartels lol) so new cars can cost what they want as we’ll all be leasing in the future it seems ☹️☹️☹️☹️
@@rajjy1976 Leasing or using its real name, renting, is dead money! It's ok for companies to lease cars for their employees and write them off as expenditure on their tax, but families can't afford to handover thousands of pounds for renting a car for 3 or 4 years! They are far better buying HP (installments) or personal purchase plan, which is half-way between leasing and higher purchase. The reason for the high cost of the electric cars is the price of lithium. There was expectation that price parity with internal combustion cars will be reached soon, but with lithium price surge, it may not happen soon. Lithium supply is limited and it looks that hybrid engine might be the best intermediate solutions until further developments happen. Not withstanding the nonsense spoken by environmentalists!
Believe it or not, a lot of people. Frankly, if you're wanting a cheaper EV, there's options for that. This vehicle is touted as a touring. In other words, it's more of a luxury vehicle than a commuter.
It's a bit meh !! either toyota or subaru offering, its not uncommon for companies to partner up Kia Hyundai ..and imo the koreans win with design and tech i'd never buy these at this price and probably not even if cheaper. They just have no presence, no point of interest it's just another bland SUV crossover thingy where the Koreans have really gone to town like or not they have very striking features and architecture . And I used to drive a Subaru it was good
BE VERY AWARE: The BZ4X and the Solterra are performing VERY poorly on range, sitting at as low as 50% of claimed WLTP in many conditions. They are no where worth their price tag in their current state.
I, sure both cars will sell well but(you know what’s coming) it’s another expensive EV. People want to get their bums into inexpensive family vehicles.
Most of the new EV manufacturers have lost touch with safety while driving. That anyone has to take eyes off the road to navigate through multiple screens to adjust anything is totally insane.
Overpriced, under done and looks only a mother could love. Funny how not a word about the joint venture between Toyota/Subaru and Chinese company BYD who supplies the motors, batteries and goodness knows what else. This is another shameless infomercial for Subaru, “best EV off road ?” it says in the title. What a load of hogwash, what makes it even capable of going off road, the Subaru badge? Hard hitting “journalism” at its best.
BYD doesn't supply any of that. That's bad information coming from the net. This car's batteries are supplied by Panasonic or CATL and BYD isn't involved at all. In China, the car is assembled by GAC or FAW, not BYD.
£50k for less range, less boot space, less performance than competition. How does that even make sense? I would be surprised if they sell these even in the thousands in UK. Unless they have the cars in stock and available to deliver immediately as opposed to the normal wait of 12months Model Y is only £5k more than this car has better range and access to tesla supercharger network. These EVs make bo sense for the pricing.
Fast charged my BZ (AWD) from 50 to 80% in 14 minutes on Friday and from 35 to 80% in 24 minutes on Sundays return on Ionity Fast chargers. I cant really complain so far. I also achieved 16.2kw/100km with a speed of 120km/h inc. Aircon and radio on the motorway. Range on display was 492km.
@@matronix1977 Cold climate hasn't reached my country yet. I am in Ireland. Id say it will be similar to the ID4 which roughly gets 350kms during winter time according to a friend that has the ID4 since June last year.
I think the "major turning point" will be in the wrong direction! As the BZ4X is being recalled for issues with the wheels falling off!! Add to that issue the £50,000 starting price and I can't see too many people being thrilled to buy it. As well as that issue the Toyota charges up very slowly. Way worst than the current competition.
I was about to write the exact same thing, I find it amazing that these reviewers still release a video praising the car that is as we speak being recalled for a potentially extremely dangerous fault.
So many cars have recalls you wouldn't hear about it. No accidents have been reported so far and the issue was really the wrong torque on nuts. The car hasnt been delivered in EU/UK yet so those issues will be rectified before delivery. Different for the US tho but that car is not really suitable for the US anyway.
@@ScorpionMinds I know. There are too many EV fans that hate Toyota that make this out to be more than it is. It's a recall. They happen. Toyota/Subaru are working to sort it out and fast. I think the bz4X and Subaru Solterra will do fine in the USA and especially in snowy and cold areas.
@@ScorpionMinds I didn't just fall off the Banana Boat... Of course many cars have recalls. But Toyota issuing a car with wheels falling off!! Come on..!! The most reliable brand in the world, certainly dropped the ball on that quality check.
@@mikadavies660 No wheels have fallen off mate. Sure quality check was poor but that stuff happens all the time. Hyundai Ioniq5 got a bad recall as well but nobody talks about that. Overheating batteries for the Ford E-Mach was way worst imo.
The top of the steering wheel in my Mini Cooper hatch also blocks me seeing the speedo completely no matter how I position it. Why isn’t it ever mentioned on cars with a traditional setup where it is also a problem and only ever on Peugeots and now Toyotas/Subarus?
Most new ev models now seem to come with very little choice, just with a few models that come with fixed sets of features. When I last bought a car, there was an almost bewildering choice of options. I was particularly struck by the twenty inch wheels on an SUV. The few people I know who have specified large alloys on new cars have wanted to change them very soon after meeting the Scottish Highland's third-world roads. How long will they last in off road use? It would seem that, if you order a specific model level, that's what you get. Perhaps I'm missing something and it's possible to specify one of these cars to your own requirements.
...The BZ4X also has no glove box.. -But there are other differences. Not too many major differences though, but if I got things right both Subaru and Toyota have some different choice options and extras in different countries/areas. In Norway the sound systems are different, the ground clearance is a little higher on the Solterra (or maybe just measured from larger wheels than the BZ4X, I don't know), the solterra comes with an anti-rust treatment, which the Toyota lacks (This is an important matter in Norway, as all of the roads are salted half of the year.) Also, I was unable to find the digital mirror option for the Toyota, and obviously the cars look slightly different. Like twins wearing clothes that are not exactly the same... Others than that, you have to pick all of the extra offerings on the top level Toyota to get a lot of things that are standard in the Subaru. Either way, theese two cars are basically the same. If you want a less equipped, 2WD cheaper version, you have to go for the Toyota. If you want AWD and all of the luxurious extras, you will have to ask yourself if you want to buy a fully specked BZ4x or a Subaru. Personally, I like them both. It looks like they have managed to be serious about making an EV that actually are able to go off road, something you can't say all of the comparable EVs have managed to prioritize.
No chance at that price. It's not even that distinctive to look at. EV's are just way too expensive for "normal people" wanting to buy with their own money.
Why make such a big point about the charging port swapping sides when this simply isn’t the case at all? Seems some ‘office Junior’ at Subaru U.K. was given the job of handling this review since nobody else could be bothered - Subaru U.K. know they will sell about 5 of these and judging by their other U.K. sales, will be withdrawing from the U.K. before the end of 2023.
No the Toyota is very different even in the design . If you don’t take a noticeable look you may not see it.. but the design are very different Toyota like their suv high off the ground Subaru gives you an suv but keeping you very close to the ground to reduce wind traction .. Toyota doesn’t have a steering wheel . So the drive can see full 💯 dash . So you won’t be blocked so they got that perfect .. Subaru should have paid more attention to the public .. that’s only where they lacking they doing the right things .. but just those old folks doesn’t want to change to much .. you don’t have to change but when your going into a new market . Then stick to what Subaru is .. they come in with something no one else has and it perfect for Subaru
Very simple solve the steering wheel issue you talking about see the Top wheel joint just cut it off . Wheel still be 3/4 complete and more than that Tesla yoke wheel . As said before I would wait till 2030 by then the Tech in batteries hopefully improved and more importantly the infer structure of charges will be in the 10K + nation wide . As unlike normal new cars the most important thing in electric cars it’s the batteries Tech .
Toyota already have a yoke steering wheel for the bz4x but it is only available in Japan at the moment. It's way better than the Tesla yoke as the Toyota one has variable steering input with speed meaning you don't go arm over arm when parking.
The Skoda and Kia with a similar spec are a similar price. The base model Skoda and Kia have less as standard, many things come as optional extras. If you add the AWD and heat pump and the other items you need the Skoda and Kia are as expensive. Also, the Skoda’s seats are too firm.
Like a Peugeot......bye then ....why target only customer's that can see instruments in a dedicated seating position . That's Peugeot Toyota and Subaru off the list then....really....really
Looks great in black which hides the excessive (in my opinion) amount of tacky black plastic around the wheel arches. I think they look fine both the Toyota & Subaru. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻bz4x just rolls so well off the tongue aye…😂😂😂not😂😂😂
Bought this since it's the only EV with a decent (>20cm) ground clearance in the price bracket. Was looking also at Model Y but I'm pretty sure I would end up getting stuck during winters on forest tracks. (Finland)
Don't think there is going to be a lot folk queuing at Subaru dealers with their deposit at the ready at £50K a pop
Way too expensive. Skip.
With the whole point about the driving display being mounted above the steering wheel instead of being and the complaint some people have about the wheel potentially obscuring it depending on your seating position - maybe this point isn't very well made, but how is that different from literally any other car? I'm quite tall and I have to duck my head slightly to see parts of the instrument display in my current car. It's not a huge inconvenience, it's just a natural result of not everyone being able to view the same display from the same position. Is this video saying they found the issue worse in this vehicle?
Yeah the wheel is adjustable, so........ not actually an issue
How can it be a major turing point for Subaru when the entry level price is £50k?! How many people can afford to spend that much on a car? You car reviewers seem to live in a different world!
Well said 👌
Well as much I agree with you, it seems the future of car buying is now in leasing. The second hand market is being kept artificially high (cartels lol) so new cars can cost what they want as we’ll all be leasing in the future it seems ☹️☹️☹️☹️
@@rajjy1976 Leasing or using its real name, renting, is dead money! It's ok for companies to lease cars for their employees and write them off as expenditure on their tax, but families can't afford to handover thousands of pounds for renting a car for 3 or 4 years! They are far better buying HP (installments) or personal purchase plan, which is half-way between leasing and higher purchase. The reason for the high cost of the electric cars is the price of lithium. There was expectation that price parity with internal combustion cars will be reached soon, but with lithium price surge, it may not happen soon. Lithium supply is limited and it looks that hybrid engine might be the best intermediate solutions until further developments happen. Not withstanding the nonsense spoken by environmentalists!
@@Bullcutter Yeah when I said Leasing I also meant all that PCP nonsense and stuff. Like you say, it’s basically Renting innit.
Believe it or not, a lot of people. Frankly, if you're wanting a cheaper EV, there's options for that. This vehicle is touted as a touring. In other words, it's more of a luxury vehicle than a commuter.
Way too expensive for a Subaru.
Most energy-saving SUV-type BEV ever according to WLTP rating (bz4x: 143wh/km)
Why does a steering wheel have to take up so much space? Why even have a steering wheel? Why not make your vehicle *"joy stick compatible"* ?
It's a bit meh !! either toyota or subaru offering, its not uncommon for companies to partner up Kia Hyundai ..and imo the koreans win with design and tech i'd never buy these at this price and probably not even if cheaper. They just have no presence, no point of interest it's just another bland SUV crossover thingy where the Koreans have really gone to town like or not they have very striking features and architecture . And I used to drive a Subaru it was good
Wait, wired Android auto? That feels bad.
BE VERY AWARE: The BZ4X and the Solterra are performing VERY poorly on range, sitting at as low as 50% of claimed WLTP in many conditions. They are no where worth their price tag in their current state.
Where are you getting this info? Everyone making videos are getting expected range and in warm climates like California even more lol 😂
I, sure both cars will sell well but(you know what’s coming) it’s another expensive EV. People want to get their bums into inexpensive family vehicles.
Don´t like the driving display.!!!!!!!
The charging point doesn't swap sides! The BZ4X also has a 10 year warranty
Nice car but too expensive
Subaru: can I copy your homework Toyota
Toyota: ok but make it look different
Subaru: k
Most of the new EV manufacturers have lost touch with safety while driving. That anyone has to take eyes off the road to navigate through multiple screens to adjust anything is totally insane.
You set most things before driving off or at stop. Try driving a new car for a change
It's not just EVs.
Really glad the 50/50 went the way it did. Well done!
Stopped the video at £50K....
Overpriced, under done and looks only a mother could love. Funny how not a word about the joint venture between Toyota/Subaru and Chinese company BYD who supplies the motors, batteries and goodness knows what else. This is another shameless infomercial for Subaru, “best EV off road ?” it says in the title. What a load of hogwash, what makes it even capable of going off road, the Subaru badge? Hard hitting “journalism” at its best.
Very sharp writing, very good! Irrespective of who supplies the batteries and manufactures it.
BYD doesn't supply any of that. That's bad information coming from the net. This car's batteries are supplied by Panasonic or CATL and BYD isn't involved at all. In China, the car is assembled by GAC or FAW, not BYD.
@@benjaminsmith2287 fair enough.
Sufficient to say Toyota (the world’s largest car manufacturer) is outsourcing the manufacture of the car to others.
What's wrong with outsourcing every company does it.
We want an Impreza or BRZ in the UK. We get.......... this. Which would be ok for £25k to £30k ( full options at £30k ) but £50k........ Oh dear 🤦♂️
Great Info.Apreciated.
Nice, the all black almost hides the plastic… almost
£50k for less range, less boot space, less performance than competition. How does that even make sense? I would be surprised if they sell these even in the thousands in UK. Unless they have the cars in stock and available to deliver immediately as opposed to the normal wait of 12months
Model Y is only £5k more than this car has better range and access to tesla supercharger network.
These EVs make bo sense for the pricing.
👍. I like the review you do of the vehicles.
I was really hoping this would be the vehicle for me but both the Solterra and BZ4X charge way to slow to be a useful road tripping vehicle. Big fail!
Fast charged my BZ (AWD) from 50 to 80% in 14 minutes on Friday and from 35 to 80% in 24 minutes on Sundays return on Ionity Fast chargers. I cant really complain so far. I also achieved 16.2kw/100km with a speed of 120km/h inc. Aircon and radio on the motorway. Range on display was 492km.
How is the cold weather affecting the battery, range and how is the defrost ? Thanks !
@@ScorpionMinds hi ! I have a question for you on how is the cold climate affecting the vehicle. Thanks !
@@matronix1977 Cold climate hasn't reached my country yet. I am in Ireland. Id say it will be similar to the ID4 which roughly gets 350kms during winter time according to a friend that has the ID4 since June last year.
@@ScorpionMinds thanks, i reserved a bz4x and a solterra but should I reserved a id4 ? Rapid charging rate, can tow, better range…. Rear wiper….hum
I think the "major turning point" will be in the wrong direction! As the BZ4X is being recalled for issues with the wheels falling off!! Add to that issue the £50,000 starting price and I can't see too many people being thrilled to buy it. As well as that issue the Toyota charges up very slowly. Way worst than the current competition.
I was about to write the exact same thing, I find it amazing that these reviewers still release a video praising the car that is as we speak being recalled for a potentially extremely dangerous fault.
So many cars have recalls you wouldn't hear about it. No accidents have been reported so far and the issue was really the wrong torque on nuts. The car hasnt been delivered in EU/UK yet so those issues will be rectified before delivery. Different for the US tho but that car is not really suitable for the US anyway.
@@ScorpionMinds I know. There are too many EV fans that hate Toyota that make this out to be more than it is. It's a recall. They happen. Toyota/Subaru are working to sort it out and fast.
I think the bz4X and Subaru Solterra will do fine in the USA and especially in snowy and cold areas.
@@ScorpionMinds I didn't just fall off the Banana Boat... Of course many cars have recalls. But Toyota issuing a car with wheels falling off!! Come on..!!
The most reliable brand in the world, certainly dropped the ball on that quality check.
@@mikadavies660 No wheels have fallen off mate. Sure quality check was poor but that stuff happens all the time. Hyundai Ioniq5 got a bad recall as well but nobody talks about that. Overheating batteries for the Ford E-Mach was way worst imo.
The top of the steering wheel in my Mini Cooper hatch also blocks me seeing the speedo completely no matter how I position it. Why isn’t it ever mentioned on cars with a traditional setup where it is also a problem and only ever on Peugeots and now Toyotas/Subarus?
Most new ev models now seem to come with very little choice, just with a few models that come with fixed sets of features. When I last bought a car, there was an almost bewildering choice of options. I was particularly struck by the twenty inch wheels on an SUV. The few people I know who have specified large alloys on new cars have wanted to change them very soon after meeting the Scottish Highland's third-world roads. How long will they last in off road use? It would seem that, if you order a specific model level, that's what you get. Perhaps I'm missing something and it's possible to specify one of these cars to your own requirements.
So basically it's a Toyota without a glove box
...The BZ4X also has no glove box.. -But there are other differences. Not too many major differences though, but if I got things right both Subaru and Toyota have some different choice options and extras in different countries/areas. In Norway the sound systems are different, the ground clearance is a little higher on the Solterra (or maybe just measured from larger wheels than the BZ4X, I don't know), the solterra comes with an anti-rust treatment, which the Toyota lacks (This is an important matter in Norway, as all of the roads are salted half of the year.) Also, I was unable to find the digital mirror option for the Toyota, and obviously the cars look slightly different. Like twins wearing clothes that are not exactly the same...
Others than that, you have to pick all of the extra offerings on the top level Toyota to get a lot of things that are standard in the Subaru.
Either way, theese two cars are basically the same. If you want a less equipped, 2WD cheaper version, you have to go for the Toyota. If you want AWD and all of the luxurious extras, you will have to ask yourself if you want to buy a fully specked BZ4x or a Subaru.
Personally, I like them both. It looks like they have managed to be serious about making an EV that actually are able to go off road, something you can't say all of the comparable EVs have managed to prioritize.
No chance at that price. It's not even that distinctive to look at. EV's are just way too expensive for "normal people" wanting to buy with their own money.
Why Is the driver’s digital display sat on top of the dash rather than In front
It's like a head's up display and the car was originally designed for a yoke steering wheel.
I belive they have different suspension and Soltera has fog light.
Looks like a cheap Suzuki version of the Toyota
Hyundai/Kia wins
Well, the wheels fell off this collaboration.
Sounds interesting, need to see how it drives...
I just…hate the interior…
Shame it's a bit ugly for the price...
Why make such a big point about the charging port swapping sides when this simply isn’t the case at all? Seems some ‘office Junior’ at Subaru U.K. was given the job of handling this review since nobody else could be bothered - Subaru U.K. know they will sell about 5 of these and judging by their other U.K. sales, will be withdrawing from the U.K. before the end of 2023.
No the Toyota is very different even in the design . If you don’t take a noticeable look you may not see it.. but the design are very different Toyota like their suv high off the ground Subaru gives you an suv but keeping you very close to the ground to reduce wind traction ..
Toyota doesn’t have a steering wheel . So the drive can see full 💯 dash . So you won’t be blocked so they got that perfect ..
Subaru should have paid more attention to the public .. that’s only where they lacking they doing the right things .. but just those old folks doesn’t want to change to much .. you don’t have to change but when your going into a new market . Then stick to what Subaru is .. they come in with something no one else has and it perfect for Subaru
Well 215 bhp is that with normal unleaded petroleum. Electric motors have hp not bhp WAKE UP .
Another electric car that's to expensive
62k total price in nyc so high
Indonesia has Toyota Avanza and Daihatsu Xenia. Similar principle to FT86-BRZ / BZ4X- Solterra.
And no spare tyre. Really. Why on earth would you sell a car with off road credentials without a spare?
Very simple solve the steering wheel issue you talking about see the Top wheel joint just cut it off . Wheel still be 3/4 complete and more than that Tesla yoke wheel . As said before I would wait till 2030 by then the Tech in batteries hopefully improved and more importantly the infer structure of charges will be in the 10K + nation wide . As unlike normal new cars the most important thing in electric cars it’s the batteries Tech .
Toyota already have a yoke steering wheel for the bz4x but it is only available in Japan at the moment. It's way better than the Tesla yoke as the Toyota one has variable steering input with speed meaning you don't go arm over arm when parking.
Great brand, but needs more work in the interior, range, and speed department.
The Toyota looks better
Not good looking for the money. Enyaq or Ev6 look a lot better value.
The Skoda and Kia with a similar spec are a similar price. The base model Skoda and Kia have less as standard, many things come as optional extras. If you add the AWD and heat pump and the other items you need the Skoda and Kia are as expensive. Also, the Skoda’s seats are too firm.
Last car I remember without a glove box was the MK 2 Escort
I can't remember I used to glovebox to do anything but store the manual, nor the last time I looked at a manual
Like a Peugeot......bye then ....why target only customer's that can see instruments in a dedicated seating position .
That's Peugeot Toyota and Subaru off the list then....really....really
Looks great in black which hides the excessive (in my opinion) amount of tacky black plastic around the wheel arches. I think they look fine both the Toyota & Subaru. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻bz4x just rolls so well off the tongue aye…😂😂😂not😂😂😂
I enjoyed watching the Video. A great looking Family SUV
It’ll beat the Toyota providing they don’t suffer the same issues with the wheel bolts undoing themselves 🫣
Subaru recalled their models too
@@trevorvant3449 So we’re off to a good start then 👍🏽🤡
Why would it? Both cars are manufactured on the same production line using identical parts.