Reacting to Star Trek TOS Season 2 Episodes 2x21 "Patterns of Force" & 2x22 "By Any Other Name"

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  • Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2024

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  • @bobmessier5215
    @bobmessier5215 7 месяцев назад +9

    The actor that played the Kelven leader played the starship doctor in "Forbidden Planet", the 1956 sci-fi classic film that inspired Star Trek.

  • @miguelbotelho2613
    @miguelbotelho2613 7 месяцев назад +8

    I liked how Star Trek was able to start out an episode almost hopeless and grim, and by the end of it everybody’s happy and the situation is resolved, they don’t make shows like this anymore, loved the reaction and analysis BTW.

  • @Serai3
    @Serai3 7 месяцев назад +7

    "Absolute power corrrupts absolutely." More like absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible.

  • @SG-js2qn
    @SG-js2qn 7 месяцев назад +7

    One of the things to keep in mind when watching "Patterns of Force" is that all of the adult actors lived through WW2. Scotty was in the service. Both Nimoy and Shatner are Jewish, and born in 1931. Episodes that refer to the gangster era or Great Depression ... the actors were kids at that time. So the history is fresh for them, and not as remote as it might seem to the modern viewer. It's part of their experience, not in any way theoretical or imaginary.

    • @Stephanie-StarTrekFan-is-Muji
      @Stephanie-StarTrekFan-is-Muji 7 месяцев назад +3

      Shatner had Nimoy on his interview show, "Shatner's Raw Nerve," and they both mentioned losing a great deal of family during the Holocaust.

  • @vincentsaia6545
    @vincentsaia6545 7 месяцев назад +6

    The galactic barrier was also featured in the second pilot, WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE. Spock's dialogue approaching the barrier in this episode is identical to that in the pilot.

  • @visionaryventures12
    @visionaryventures12 7 месяцев назад +4

    You may remember the galactic barrier in By Any Other Name being what the crew encountered in Where No Man Has Gone Before.

  • @Bfdidc
    @Bfdidc 7 месяцев назад +6

    15:47-16:17. I love how dismissively Spock looks at the eugenics and phrenology being thrown at him.

  • @miguelbotelho2613
    @miguelbotelho2613 7 месяцев назад +6

    I noticed that Rojan began to show signs of colour in his facial complexion as the episode moved on .

    • @neneshubby
      @neneshubby 7 месяцев назад

      You know, you’re right maybe the kelvins go white in the sun and tan in the dark

  • @empirejeff
    @empirejeff 7 месяцев назад +1

    Those who do not learn from the mistakes from the past are doomed to repeat them.

  • @neneshubby
    @neneshubby 7 месяцев назад +7

    A couple of facts about ‘Patterns of Force’. The first Nazi that accosted Kirk and Spock is the same guy they met on the street in return of the Archons’. I guess after getting freed from Landru, he decided to follow another dictator, also Valora Noland who played Daras wasn’t aware she had to wear a swastika as part of this role and it so disgusted her that she never returned to acting. She changed her name to Valora Tree Baum and wrote several books.

    • @georgemartin1436
      @georgemartin1436 7 месяцев назад +2

      WOW I now recognize the actor's voice now! Seems so obvious...now.
      I had heard about Valora.

    • @lorierush6561
      @lorierush6561 7 месяцев назад

      I can understand why she did it. It seems a little bit extreme but I understand.

  • @vincentsaia6545
    @vincentsaia6545 7 месяцев назад +6

    Costume designer William Theiss specialized in designing women's costumes that exposed parts of the body not covered by the censors.

    • @maingun07
      @maingun07 7 месяцев назад +1

      That guy was a genius. And these were very, very tame costumes compared to later episodes.

  • @lazyperfectionist1
    @lazyperfectionist1 4 месяца назад

    38:50 "It's green."
    And the canon loops back to this moment, quite a bit later.

  • @lazyperfectionist1
    @lazyperfectionist1 4 месяца назад

    The lines were, "Even historians fail to learn from history. They repeat the same mistakes."

  • @photonicus
    @photonicus 7 месяцев назад

    A historian using his knowledge to run an entire planet, mighty alien conquerors defeated by simple human sensations...
    The creativity of these writers was insane back in the day!

  • @tomyoung9049
    @tomyoung9049 7 месяцев назад +2

    Patterns of force show one of the strengths of TOS. They could discuss various social issues, so long as it was set with "aliens".

  • @thesharpercoder
    @thesharpercoder 7 месяцев назад +4

    Hurray! Courtney is a Trekkie! Welcome, permission to come aboard. LOL

  • @FloridaMugwump
    @FloridaMugwump 7 месяцев назад +3

    The first story kind of reminds me of the story of Tiberius and Sejanus. And in the 60's show "I, Claudius", Sejanus was played by a future Star Trek Alum.

  • @EricJonPearson1
    @EricJonPearson1 7 месяцев назад +1

    Star Trek was definitely known for it's "morality play" episodes, dealing with issues of the day, but a big reason there were so many Earth-parallel episodes is that it was cheaper to use an existing set than to physically build a new alien landscape or spaceship every week. CGI wasn't a thing. One TOS episode used the "downtown Mayberry" set of The Andy Griffith Show, a half-hour black-and-white comedy, and other TV shows that were being filmed on the same lot were re-used in the same way. (Star Trek wasn't the only show to do that.)

  • @yesh3
    @yesh3 7 месяцев назад +1

    The 60s and 70s were a wacky time to grow up in. I do love the idealistic world that Rodenberry created. Sci -fi writers weren't scared to try out any idea. Pointy space-sideburns at maximum in the second episode.

  • @jamesodonnell3636
    @jamesodonnell3636 7 месяцев назад

    "Some people apologize by... pressing other things." (Okay, that's pretty funny. Subscribed.)

  • @Rayman1971
    @Rayman1971 7 месяцев назад +2

    I love how he says "whiskey"!!!!

  • @lazyperfectionist1
    @lazyperfectionist1 4 месяца назад

    37:10 "Is there some... _significance_ to this action?"
    😄😄😄

  • @gailseatonhumbert
    @gailseatonhumbert 7 месяцев назад +1

    The second world war was not that far away in the 60s. Fathers of kids watching the series would all have been in the military and many shows were done about the war at the time so actors would have been used to playing the parts of both sides of the conflict.
    There were so many shows and movies about WWII at the time.

  • @samsonau8205
    @samsonau8205 7 месяцев назад +1

    I was a bit too young to understand WW1/WW2 history when I first saw this episode. I had heard of Germans/Nazis being bad guys, but had no historical reference to know anything. Best I had at that age was this and Hogan's Heroes which was a comedy that made Nazis look like blundering idiots. My dad is a war/history buff and he had lots of books around the house that I could read to learn about everything. Fast forward to today. There is some history being repeated right now and it is amazing how ALL the different political/cultural/religious points of view are still around and in play as leaders make decisions and people react to international situations.
    I no longer think of things in left/right (dictionary definitions) or nationalistic perspectives. We are all proud of our heritages. However, no matter the cultures/countries, there always seems to be a authoritarian/dictatorship vs shared power line that seems to boil down to individual personalities. Bullies vs empathic/benevolent people. It's not totally black/white or good/evil, there is grey area.
    Even within a family, you have parents who are very strict and those who are very supportive. The reality is that you need a combination of strong leadership to keep the overall goals in mind as well as supportiveness/empathy to ensure that the majority of people are able to pursue their own interests.

  • @scgreek1114
    @scgreek1114 7 месяцев назад +4

    "Your whole Earth history is made up of men seeking absolute power."
    Ummm yeah.

    • @alanr4447a
      @alanr4447a 7 месяцев назад

      Make the Federation Great Again!

  • @phillymike3181
    @phillymike3181 6 месяцев назад

    From your comments, I think you would VERY much enjoy "He's Alive" a Twilight Zone episode with a similar plot and one of Rod Serling's best closing statements.

  • @bpora01
    @bpora01 7 месяцев назад +4

    2 Jewish actors (Shatner and Nimoy) wearing nazi uniforms. I think my jaw was open when I first saw this episode

    • @fredklein3829
      @fredklein3829 7 месяцев назад

      Me too. PF was an excuse to save money by using existing sets, uniforms & etc. I still have trouble seeing the use of it.

    • @Bfdidc
      @Bfdidc 7 месяцев назад

      It was also a rather common occurence in Hogan's Heroes.

  • @williamjones6031
    @williamjones6031 7 месяцев назад +1

    "Patterns of Force"
    1. This was interesting. It had me in my middle school history class.
    2. Kirk's bloody marks weren't all that convincing.
    3. Suspension of belief with the homemade laser (even for a kid)
    4. Many of the players had an issue with this episode, including Leonard Nimoy, who was Jewish.
    5. I get to re-watch this again tomorrow.
    "By Any Other Name"
    1. As a male adolescent when I first saw this is he killed the wrong red shirt.
    2. I'm a retired Sailor and I'd love to do 12oz curls with Scotty.
    3. Outstanding teamwork.

  • @herbertkeithmiller
    @herbertkeithmiller 7 месяцев назад

    23:50 the alert sound on your phone had me checking mine. 😅😅
    38:46 whenever someone asked me what is it?
    I reply it's green... 😅

  • @lazyperfectionist1
    @lazyperfectionist1 4 месяца назад

    39:57 "I was wondering, would you _please_ apologize to me, again."
    🤦‍♂Oh, dear.🤷‍♂

    • @lazyperfectionist1
      @lazyperfectionist1 4 месяца назад

      40:17 "We were told to find out everything we could about you."
      "And how's the research going?"
      "I need some more experiments."
      🤦‍♂Of course.

  • @lazyperfectionist1
    @lazyperfectionist1 4 месяца назад

    40:53 "Scotty, in... He's drunk. I can't say anything."
    I think, at this point, there's not a whole lot he can say, either. Not without slurring.

  • @gallendugall8913
    @gallendugall8913 7 месяцев назад

    Upon recent rewatching of the whole series I've noticed a lot of TOS involves things from the Andromeda Galaxy. I did na-zi that coming!

  • @solvingpolitics3172
    @solvingpolitics3172 7 месяцев назад +1

    “Assist me with the food synthesizer.”
    You: “Are you going to feed him.” That is good, Star Trek can use more comedians. By the way, this is one of the most underrated episodes of Star Trek.

  • @flaggerify
    @flaggerify 6 месяцев назад

    Yes, only 300 years. It would take 2 million years even travelling at the speed of light.

  • @paulsander5433
    @paulsander5433 7 месяцев назад +1

    "Patterns of Force" was banned in parts of Europe for many years while showing any kinds of Nazi symbolism was illegal. It's not the only episode that drove people away from Trek without some kind of analysis of the story. But Trek did, after all, defeat Naziism within the (over simplified) context of an hour-long episode.
    There are several episodes where people watch the first few minutes, see the symbols or the racism or whatever, and shut down without seeing the story dismantle them at the end. It's a shame, because some of these controversial episodes are among the best.
    It's a good thing that the Kelvans weren't psychic. That would have opened up a whole new can of worms when they hit the galactic barrier.
    "Friends, Romans, Countrymen" is prophetic.

  • @idea2go
    @idea2go 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you for great commentary, in particular the historical context of Patterns of Force, and how it makes sense that they would be so explicit about their commentary on the holocaust given when this was produced.

  • @vincentsaia6545
    @vincentsaia6545 7 месяцев назад +2

    The actress playing Darrus was so distraught at having to wear a Nazi armband for her part she quit acting after appearing in this episode.

    • @jefetters7182
      @jefetters7182 7 месяцев назад

      Yeah I always think about Shatner and Nimoy being Jewish and having to dress in those uniforms just a couple-ish decades after WWII.

  • @Semaj4747
    @Semaj4747 6 месяцев назад

    I don't like that they totally forget that they destroyed that woman in that cube. The leader should at least answer for that murder. While it is a wonderful twist and very dark, she had nothing to do with his contest. So, all is forgiven for that murder? That feels like a part of Gene's many rewrites.

    • @AMC2283
      @AMC2283 2 месяца назад

      it's not forgiven but it goes with the job

  • @gallendugall8913
    @gallendugall8913 7 месяцев назад

    The problem isn't that power corrupts. The problem is that power attracts the corrupt. If you are going to have centralized power you had best have strict anti corruption measures and oversight of those in power.

    • @suicunesolsan
      @suicunesolsan 7 месяцев назад

      I'm not sure I completely subscribe to that. Would you elaborate? Even strict anti-corruption measures have to be enforced by another party. And that party can also be corrupt.

  • @walterpatterson8561
    @walterpatterson8561 6 месяцев назад

    You are so much fun to watch. Keep it up. 😄

  • @henrikharbin5521
    @henrikharbin5521 7 месяцев назад

    Hi Courtney :)
    A few pojnts:
    - Bill Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are both Jewish.
    - The actor who plays Isak reminds me of Jeff Goldblum, but he would be way too young in the 60s. He would've been about 15.
    - Ever since the Nuremberg trisls, Germany has made Nazi references illegal. This episode was not shown in Germany until 1994.
    - Skip Homeier, Melakon, is in one more episode. I will not sponsor l it but you will recognize him.p if you look hard.
    Great job on this video. Peace be with you :)

  • @visionaryventures12
    @visionaryventures12 7 месяцев назад

    It’s interesting the number of Hebrew allusions in Patterns of Force. I don’t know a connection with Ekos, but Zeon is like “Zion”, as in “Zionists”. Eneg is “Gene” - Gene Roddenberry spelled backwards. It’s been a while, but I remember some characters in this having biblical names.

    • @luminiferous1960
      @luminiferous1960 7 месяцев назад +1

      According to Memory Alpha "The term "ekos" was also a word in ancient and modern Greek (spelled oikos), meaning "house" or "home"."

    • @davide123
      @davide123 7 месяцев назад +1

      Isak (similar to Isaac) was the man in prison with them. The man he met in the underground was Abrom. Daras contains "Sara" backward, which is a stretch but I've seen that mentioned.

    • @visionaryventures12
      @visionaryventures12 7 месяцев назад

      @@davide123 Oh. Yeah. Thanks. I hadn’t thought of that.

  • @bluebird3281
    @bluebird3281 7 месяцев назад

    I'm a doctor Jim, not the angel of death!

  • @fredklein3829
    @fredklein3829 7 месяцев назад

    PF I can live without. / BAO episode has an odd structure as the first half is a horror but the second half, a comedy. I was terrified of it as a child.

  • @marialanier6155
    @marialanier6155 7 месяцев назад

    Captain Kirk sweaty, what a turn on😊😊😊

  • @RobXHEphotosPs37.29
    @RobXHEphotosPs37.29 7 месяцев назад +1

    Two interesting episodes, .... so, you give the Kelvan's some emotions & they just completely change their minds "sure we'll live on that planet, here, have your ship back".........I never did like that ending, seemed kinda lame. As always, enjoyed your reactions Courtney.

    • @CourtReacts-zm9yv
      @CourtReacts-zm9yv  7 месяцев назад +1

      It is amazing and funny how easily these advanced beings are manipulated by humans.

    • @RobXHEphotosPs37.29
      @RobXHEphotosPs37.29 7 месяцев назад

      @@CourtReacts-zm9yv I liked Scotty's form of manipulation 😂

  • @TheystromReview
    @TheystromReview 20 дней назад

    "Must be the Klingons", pffft. Typical Starfleet propaganda! ;p
    "I would take offense to that" being called a Nazi; Shatner is in fact of Jewish family. This was quite the commentary at the time, a lot of other jewish name inserts. Zion, etc.
    Love the watch-throughs! Excited for the future & rest!

  • @NoHandleGrr
    @NoHandleGrr 7 месяцев назад

    The writers weren't subtle naming the "Zayons" or "Zeaons," close to "Zion." But none of the episode was subtle, not that it needed to be.
    The part that annoyed me most is that back in reality, Nazi Germany was one of the most IN-efficient of modern states. Fascism is made up of sub-fiefdoms run by competing men questing for power and authority. There's no ruling principle beyond "do what the Fuhrer wants!" (See also the T administration and how it worked.)
    This makes for the opposite of efficiency, and anyone who knows much about Nazi Germany knows how this worked.
    But Gill had to have *some* reasonable motivation, so they threw that under the bus, if they even knew anything about Nazi Germany beyond the symbols.
    But the episode had some good lines, including Spock's about Kirk "should" be a very convincing Nazi. Shatner shoots a great look at Nimoy.
    The jail part also made for some excellent contributions to fan-edited K/S vids.
    Sadly, the entirely logical subcutaneous transponders never made an appearance ever again on screen. :-( But that's typical TOS/1960s lack of continuity."
    The reminder of antisemitism is more timely than ever. 😞

  • @georgemartin1436
    @georgemartin1436 7 месяцев назад

    BEFORE I WATCH...she'll have it solved within one minute and forty five seconds.

  • @stevejoshua9536
    @stevejoshua9536 7 месяцев назад +1

    When watching this episode, one cannot help but hear the term "Zion" in the word "Zeon"(just change one letter).
    That could mean that the Zeons represent the Zionists, or the Jewish Nation, along with their advancements in all kinds of fields of study, especially the sciences ... which, of course, would make the Ekosians the obvious representation of The State of Germany.

  • @richardmark9161
    @richardmark9161 6 месяцев назад

    Courtney, have you ever seen the film Judgment at Nuremberg?

  • @rogerpace3749
    @rogerpace3749 7 месяцев назад

    hi courtney looking gorgeous as always.