Toshiro's ice clone can't just only be used once, he said it was a trick that can only be used once against someone like Halibel because she'd see through the trick if it were used a second time on account of her being a high level opponent.
It could be similar to Renji's bankai in a way. Zabimaru didn't allow Renji to use his bankais full potential because he wasn't fully ready to use it. The thing with Toshiro, the ice petals could mean something entirely different than a power down. The longer he uses it, the more in control of his power he gets. When he is able to fully control it, the petals shatter and he matures along with his bankai Remember Yachiru said she gave Kenpachi too much power when his arm imploded? Same with Hitsuguya when he fought Shawlong. Too much power at once. The same couldve happened with Renji if he attained Zabimarus true form before he was ready. That might be why they say you need time to practice with it. If you use it before you are fully ready, it could damage you or kill you. Or you could be Mayuri and just fuck with it to fit you.
+Tokidabear (Tokidabear) If I remember correctly "You're getting crushed by your own Bankais spiritual pressure, Couldn't you tell!?? Every bone in your body is creaking from the strain! let me show you, how I use this Bankai!!"
Sherm3dg thank you, your one of the few people on this comment section who uses insight, facts and intuition. i came to the same conclusion and just was looking for someone who was thinking on the same wave length. its bad that people tend to respond more to this uninteresting nerd than use their own brains
Leon3DG well renji did not even have his real bankai as in the name he used was wrong, a bit like yumichika s shikai. Hitsugaya s bankai was the real one but a junior version his little body can handle. Hyonrinmaru was always supposed to be very powerful, no way could a child wield this ( in the fillers Hyonrinmaru said so himself). Tellingly just before kenpachi s body was injured by the strength of his bankai
+Aleme_Najimi weren't their powers in the real world mitigated tho? Well for Cang and Harribel he immobilzed them and he did the same with luppi in the end and we all realise that his ice powers since Harribel fight ain't gonna kill instantly more immobilzing the opponent which is shit but yeah. Mayuri lol anybody could lose to him n he was being a puppet.
+Aleme_Najimi Wtf are you talking about? We don't know whether Hitsugaya would have defeated Luppi or not without the assistance of the vice-captains. But seeing how he fought with Harribel, it's safe to assume he would have eventually defeated Luppi. As for Harribel, she would have stayed defeated if SHE didn't get assistance from Wonder Weiss. The only reason he lost to Bazz-B was because his bankai was taken away from him, so Toshiro had a massive disadvantage. As for Cang Du, the second Hitsugaya got his bankai back, he CASUALLY defeated Cang Du. So far, the only L's he's taken is from Aizen. The rest is because Hitsugaya was either at a disadvantage or that we didn't see him fight all out to see what the result would have been. The Hitsugaya hate is real.
In all honesty, I just figured that Hyourinmaru just froze some of Toshiros wounds so that they wouldn't bleed much during the battle. When his Bankai was dismissed, that's when the wounds were no longer frozen, thus leading to a massive blood loss altogether.
Gakomi Urago this is the fucking soul society anything can happen like someone getting horns on their head when they use bankai to a thousand miniature blades that reflect light and cut you do you really think instantly melting ice is that far fetched The soul society defies logic
Toshiro has a bit of a temper problem, and whenever he lashed out in blind anger, it NEVER worked out well for him. To be more effective, he needed to be a bit more cool-headed; cool enough to wait patiently. With patience comes maturity. I think this is what is reflective in this revealed facet of his weapon.
@@zaviaplummer7988 Also against Gin. He was quite impulsive then as well, and IIRC was even close to striking down Momo if she insisted on standing in his way... or at least, wasn't all that discouraged about hitting her as collateral damage in the process of attacking Gin with ice. (I think he planned to use his ice petal rain? Would have turned the next half mile into a winter wonderland, so makes sense.)
@ Tekking - don't forget Ikkaku's bankai, it is very lazy, so he said. It takes a while for it to wake up and get to full power. Maybe the flowers are the time limit for which Toshiro's Bankai to power up fully.
there is a reason kubo showed zenpachi's body failing right before he did this with toshiro. kubo isn't stupid and he knows exactly what he writes. this is just like when we found about ichigo. there were no plot holes and when you go back and watch with the new knowledge, it becomes painfully obvious that he had something set up all along.
You nailed it on the head Tekking nice research and deduction of his bankai's new form.I'm more concern with Yachiru's purpose with Kenpachi's zanpaktou.
Antonella Onai The way I see that moment when hitsugaya burst with blood after the last ice flower shatter like when kenpachi arms burst when yachiru was trying to release more of his power. Hitsugaya body wasn't able to maintain that amount of power in his child form which he stated he had to mature his body to maintain that level of power
Toshiro never said that he is training to extends the time-limit. That was King's and many others(including mine)assumption. That dang Kubo troll us again-big time!
If Kubo really said that in an interview then it really doesn't matter. You see, we really don't know anything about the ice flowers. Kubo just planted that assumption and never confirm it. Giving him the opportunity to do whatever he wants with Toshiro's bankai, and it wouldn't be bad writing. He made himself an opening for a twist that was so hard that it made people flip the table.
True, but Ikaku's Bankai was revealed just before Toshiro's was. so I feel like that was on purpose. Ikaku goes on about how his Bankai has a timer before it fully awakens and can unleash it's TRUE power, and immediately afterwords, the fact that Toshiro's Bankai also has a timer is focused on? Seems a bit convenient in retrospect. Like Kubo was trying to give a hint to the audiance as to the truth of Toshiro's Bankai while also using that Arrankar's comment and Toshiro's geyser of blood as a smokescreen to make sure it wasn't too obvious a hint.
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Before and after the final battle with Aizen, Hitsugaya stated how he needed to train to get stronger and master his Bankai. But, he never confirmed that the petals were a countdown to the end of his bankai, just that it was indeed a countdown of some form. As for the burst of blood after the fight with the arrancar (I'm unsure how to spell his name) I feel like that would be from the petals dissipating, and him not having full control of it, causing injuries to his body. Similar to what we just saw happen to Zeraki.
It should be basically confirmed that was the case. He released his Bankai every time the pedals got low because if they expired, the Bankai's real power would ravage his body, exactly like Ichigo and now Kenpachi. In a way, it WAS a countdown on how long he could use Bankai, but not in the way people thought since the pedals were RESTRAINTS, not simple indicators.I think that he intentionally mislead people into thinking that way for two reasons: 1). It doesn't really matter anyway, after all, he has to stop using Bankai before the last pedal falls or get fried until he can catch up to his full power. 2). Toshiro is smart. He knows better than to go blabbing to enemies that he has a higher realm of power at his disposal that he could potentially use against them, especially when he can't use it yet. It was far better to keep his mouth shut and let people believe the wrong idea while he trained, and when he did unlock it, he made sure not to use it unless he absolutely had to.
The bankai was helping the blood from spewing so when the petal countdown ended and his bankai was going to the second stage, all of the blood it froze and held back just spewed out
Christopher sepulveda. Well you are correct but it kindof work the same way and make sense with the theory. He was badly injured in the fight while he is reaching the limit of his body stressed by the surging power of hyourinmaru. Thus this makes damage on him amplified.
That last point makes the most sense to me, that Toshiro's training to extend the time he can stay in his bankai didn't mean he was trying to make the countdown last longer, but rather that he was trying to be able to stay in bankai long enough to _reach_ the end of the countdown. This all makes me think of what Stark said to Shunsui during their fight. (Paraphrased) "You just assumed that was how my power worked, I never said that you were correct."
And like as Tekking himself has pointed out many times. Why the hell would you confirm anything? Its to your advantage for your opponent to not understand it.
11:02 One thing I'd like to point out is that Hitsugaya never said Zanhyō Ningyō was a technique he could only use once, or even once per battle. He said "a trick like that is likely to only work once", meaning that he usually only gets one usage of the technique before his opponents become not only aware of its' existence, but wise to any further usage of it.
I mean if you look at Zaraki, when his arm was fucked during his bankai, Yachiru said that his body wasn't ready for the massive power of the bankai. So when Toshiro spouted blood, it was probably the same circumstance
+Anime Perspective Thanks. I just thought that if you look at Kenpachi and his bankai causing harm to him because he hadn't mastered it at all, it feels like Kubo had made this chapter in mind after Kenpachi
+zero27 Exactly. Mastering a bankai out of nowhere should not happen. Bankai, well most bankai is overpowered, but most the times, the user cannot handle it.
I noticed when you brought up the countdown chapter, that Toshiro only replied to the assumption that it was a countdown. So if his Bankai fully matures at the end of the ice petals, that would be a countdown. The opponent only assumed that a countdown meant til he's done and not that he's in a warming up stage. Which makes sense since as you stated before, his Bankai at that point is simply a more powerful version of his shikai. Maybe as he gets stronger, there will be less flowers counting down allowing him to reach full Bankai at a faster rate?
The blood spurting thing that you mentioned now further justifies his power increase and "sudden" transformation. See the most recent example of a bankai releasing too much energy - Kenpachi, and his arm broke off with Yachiru apologizing for releasing too much power. Same thing probably happened to Toshiro previously. As the petals faded, his power was getting released by Hyonimaru but back then his body couldn't handle the strain and he eventually broke with blood spraying out everywhere. Now, he finally is able to contain all the energy release from all the petals and enter second form. Hyonimaru is somewhat like Hōzukimaru, Ikkaku's bankai which coincidentally also has a dragon-related theme, and it required a warm up time to unleash its full strength.
Well I would treat it the same way as Kenpachi's bankai, perhaps its not that the power was being restrained (Because really why would Hyorinmaru harm Toshiro to stop him from gaining power) but the power was too intense for Toshiros body to handle at that point, similar to how Kenpachis arm was blown off because the power was too much for his body. If this were the case that explains the damage he received, the sudden change and increase in reitsu was too much for him in that current state, so he had to develop his power to the point he could withstand it. We've seen the same sort of thing with Ichigos bankai that one time, where it was too much for him and he could barely move. Or perhaps its something else completely and he just had to learn how to properly transform, sort of like Rukia.
Hitsugaya's Bankai explains how he's been getting owned so fast in the manga/anime that he didn't have enough time to go true Bankai until someone stalled for him (Kenpachi)
Something to point out with Toshiro gushing blood after the fight with Shawlong is that when Kenpachi was in his bankai his arm got wrecked to shit because his body wasn't able to handle that much power from his bankai. I look at it the same way with Toshiro before he reached his maturity, his body wasn't able to handle all the power from almost finishing the last Ice Petal and he suffered for it.
If you look at the picture from when Toshiro had blood spilling out when he had one ice petal left, in the picture where Rangiku yelled out "Captain!". Above Toshiro's bankai, there's a little speck of his bankai above him. Perhaps that's the last flower petal?
I think ageing in the soul society works the same in the living world, it’s gradual but takes a small while as they have longer lives. With his bankai, he can only fully control it with a matured body- aka, an adult. So that’s why, I think anyway, he is an adult in bankai but his body won’t stay that way so he’ll revert back to his normal body. So you could see his bankai as a flash forward into what he might look like when he’s grown up
How i see Toshiros ice clone is, having your enemy believe 100% they are cutting you down to the point where they start seeing things. Its the same with yoruichi when Byakuya first "cut her down" The thing about kubo is, a lot of the stuff hes put under the microscope for makes sense in one way or another, but he doesnt like to explain himself. Its like going into an art gallery where one abstract painting has annotation and another one doesnt. You'll look at the one that doesnt and say "what the fuck is this?" In regards to only being able to use the clone once, i think he meant because she was aware of it he wouldnt be able to use it effectively again. Kind of like Urahara trying to use the replacement balloons on aizen more than once. Loved the video, keep it up.
We have also been introduced to a few occasions where someone's body could not withstand the power that it was receiving. May it be from Bankai or another source
I don't get what's so surprising about all this power up ? Remember when in Fake Karakura town Arc. Kyoraku was talking with Stark and told him that Toshiro is a true *Child Prodigy* , who knows maybe in 100 years he will be stronger than me . Shunsui wasn't sure how fast this comes but he is positive that he will surpass him sooner or later . Well it happened faster than anyone anticipated.
personally i think hitsugya's "maturity" was meant to be gradual, but if u remember a year or 2 ago we got that alert saying "wrap bleach up kubo" and that it got rushed to how it is now. After all he has been pumping out new bankai's like a "its now or never" just a thought i mean with everything closing in on ichigo's final fight there wasnt much left after kenpachi we just need to see something from byukaya now
Hey Tekking. I’m pretty sure that Hitsuguya did allude to his Bankai getting weaker with the disappearance of his Snow Flowers when he fought against Harribel. He says “But since half my ice flowers are gone, and my Bankai is in a weaker state, you could say I’m in the perfect situation to use it” when speaking about Hyouten Yakasou before he uses it. He said before he couldn’t control it and it was too risky to use before around the others in his Bankai.
The way I'm seeing it is Toshiro is one of the youngest proper shinigami to obtain a bankai. Ichigo is a weird aberration with his pitri dish of powers and living human status. Being that young, he has an immature Bankai. Ichigo while young for a human is essentially almost fully grown, by the UK standards he's likely considered almost an adult and even then the full power of his bankai hurts him at first. Toshiro in his childlike body cannot handle the strain, so he trains and then when his reiatsu, I'm assuming, is strong enough it rushes his body's growth so that he can channel that fully matured power. If Toshiro matured slowly, got his bankai as an adult like the norm, he would have looked about the same as he does now, skipping the ice flowers entirely and having that more resilient adult body. I can go both ways on this being temporary/permanent, but we are seeing this because a shinigami is supposed to be fully grown physically to access their bankai proper. The ice flower timer, cause it is a timer, let's him know how long he has before his Bankai automatically attempts to operate at full power, they seem more like a seal in this case. His ability with Ryusenka supporting this if he could only use it reliably with half the flower seal gone.
When it comes to his age, Toshiro is the blue turbo ranger. Normally, he's a kid, when he's in full bankai he's an adult. Also, with the mention of how Kenpachi's Bankai can harm him by releasing to much power I feel as though that was meant to help solidify the idea that Toshiro's bankai did damage to him when his flowers disappeared because he wasn't ready for it physically and thus, it fucked him up when he was about to fully release it. Interestingly, till he was ready it still functioned as a time limit as once it ran out, he'd basically be killed by his own power, so all of it's kinda true in a way.
Toushiro never confirmed that when he loses his petals that he'll lose his bankai. It was Shawlong that theorized it would happen and we've believed his words ever since. Hitsugaya has always admitted that his bankai is young, imperfect and needs training. However, the reason as to why he didn't use it while fighting Harribel and Aizen is most likely because he didn't know how to control it back then. He admitted to Harribel that he was afraid of using Hyōten Hyakkasō because he didn't know how to control it and he didn't want to damage any of his team mates in the cross fire. However, after Aizen, he said that he was going to train really hard due to his failure to protect Hinamori and he was going to perfect or master his zanpaktou. Ever since then, we haven't seen him go all out in a fight and when the Quincy's arrived, they stole his bankai so he was never allowed to use it and Bazz-B almost killed him before Giselle turned him into a zombie and Mayuri put him under a drug. So it's not an ass pull at all and Kubo doesn't really need to explain it. We just need to connect the dots ourselves.
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So when toshiro's bankai fucks up his body, people assume it's because of what Shawlong stated, but when kenpachi's bankai fucks up his body, people accept it. I'm pissed about how people aren't smart enough to see that toshiro needed training, his bankai was immature, and just like kenpachi's, which released a lot of energy, ended up causing damage to himself. People claiming ass pull, simply aren't intelligent enough to see that connection, which is: Bankai way too fucking powerful, boom goes the body, train to handle that bankai, no more boom goes the body. Can I make it any more simple than that?
I'm asking for facts from people, not shit flinging contests, which is exactly what you started, granted with my insults enraging people like you, that's not surprising. The petals are mentioned occasionally depending on the length of the battle, if they aren't mentioned at all, then it's usually because a battle either just began, or didn't last long enough to affect the petal count. If kubo does not include them in the scene, then it's usually because of one of these things, or they're not important at the moment. Are you expecting him to mention them often? Oh hey! a crack formed, now another, and another! Oh look it went away! It's so much more important than the actual battle! Of course not! He foreshadows on most occasions, and in the battle with Shawlong, toshiro never agrees with the statement about his petals disappearing, therefore his bankai disappears. View the above video for more evidence, but seeing how you're on here defending a losing argument, that was already covered in the video, I'll leave it at that. Have fun being ignorant.
Miguel Pena 1. Not defending any arguement, cause there's no basis for one, there was no foreshadowing uf this form, there's literally nothing that substantiates anything you're saying, if i had to pick a side, the man famous for asspulling, pulling out a new power up without any foreshadowing, or previous explanation or anything that ever showed this to be a possibility, i'd side with the former, but here in lies your ignorance your arguement is "He never said that was how it worked" well in that case you can justify any asspull kubo has ever done by saying "he never said that wasn't possible" your arguement is as flimsy as your strange claim to intellectualism, have fun being a condescending, arrogant, and worst of all completely blind to the fact that you no evidence at all beyond speculation, while demanding evidence to support another theory, lmao you keep uping the dumbass ante well done.
+MJ Except no...he said he NEVER stated what the bankai was and just like Kenpachi, his immature/untrained bankai hurt his body.Your argument is "Hurr durr get out of your own ass" -provides no counterpoints-
My idea on Toshiro's Bankai: I think Toshiro's Bankai is much like Ikkaku's Bankai, which Ikkaku's requires time to "wake up", but instead Toshiro's is more like time to "grow up" or like he said himself, "mature". So since this is his BANKAi "growing up", I highly doubt Toshiro will remain that age and will most likely revert back to being a kid once he powers down. Going into his potential new powers and abilities I think overall he won't gain a mass amount of new abilities, but his old powers might be augmented to a much higher degree, where just raising his reiatsu alone might freeze over neighboring buildings and streets, and drop the temperature well below 0 without even trying/conscious thought (similar to Rukia's Bankai maybe). I think what might end the fight would be him using one brand new technique that freezes Gerard from just the inside in Ice that doesn't melt from Toshiro just stabbing him in the body somewhere and his ice is seeping into Gerard's body, freezing him down to the cellular level because it's that damn cold or something more elaborate than that. So that way Gerard isn't harmed at all (except from the small stab wound), just forever incapacitated and frozen from the inside, being a real life statue forever and ever. That would be lame in my opinion, so I hope Kubo does something way more awesome and creative. If my theory does happen... then at least I get to do an "I called that shit dance" in front of my friends lol.
I think the reason why Toshiro just spurted a massive amount of blood is the same reason why Kenpachi's arm simply imploded after going Bankai: they were practically still unable to master it. Yes Toshiro was a prodigy whom could use both shikai and bankai, however he's still technically an amateur at using it. Very much the same with Ichigo but not to the same extent. So yea so he probably continued to train with his bankai to improve himself with it.
Rin Uchiha I think it was more due to the fact his body is basically a fifth grader s. His body can t deal with that much power like kenpachi s after he went bankai. Yachiru even said his body was not strong enough. But his 4.5 feet tall 60 pounds body wont ever be strong enough so Hyonrinmaru just forces it to maturity.
To me this sounded like a case where it was probably heading towards it being a countdown, what with the dramatic zoom in on the Aizen-style, impassive eye that's usually reserved for when a villain gets the mental hit in, Hitsugaya's denial, and so on. But since it wasn't explicitly stated, Kubo decided he could just fly off in another direction with it.
Exactly he couldn't maintain it,if you look at all his fights the less petals he is more fatigued.He kept training to decrease the strain when the ice petals disappeared. If you look at his fight with Espada #3 his stamina was excellent where he kept activating and deactivating his bankai.You can look at it as because of his age he has to unlock his banksi's true form and that's what his always stated with the maturity factor.
remember when mayuri said toshiro would lose like a couple of his years after being restored back to normal? maybe when he said that, he meant that the pods aged him several years enough that his body was mature enough.
It's funny that many people forget that it's been stated by the first captain Yamamoto that bankais mature and most abilities that they didn't have before can manifest after a while. Hence the fight with Yhwach where Yamamoto burns a bunch of quincies to ashes with his bankai's ability. Yhwach thought that was all to his power because he'd seen it before a long time ago, only to find out that Yamamoto could control the dead bodies afterwords. It's these little vague things in the manga that makes this arc really shine to me.
Maybe Toshiro's maturity is like a Dragon's maturity since Hyorinmaru is a dragon. There's plenty of Japanese myths where small creatures over the passage of years just become a full fledged dragon. I would also retroactively include Ichigo in the category of a Bankai that alters the person's personality since his hollowing is from his zankauto such as his fight with Byakuya. Also Toshiro trained similar to Jinzen in the anime with Ikkaku, Yumichika, and Rangiku shortly before Lupi, Yammy, and Wonderweiss shown up. Only Toshiro and Ikkaku were actually in the pose simialr to Jinzen training since I think its because they have a Bankai and a formed connection with their zanpakuto.
Diruigen Hyurimaru (sorry for screwing the name abit) is the strongest ice type zanpaktou.. when Hitsugaya spoke to Byakuya he states that he couldnt get to that stage purely because he couldnt stay in bankai form for the 12mins needed to reach its maturity. The petals floating behind him were indeed a countdown but not to his bankai dissapating but for Hyurimaru to reach full maturity and power
This is why I think tekking is the best reviewer that I know. Because he do some research before saying something and not just letting his personal opinions/agendas affect his videos. Aside from that time where he just messes with yushiro on the entire length of the review. xD
You have to take in consideration that toshiro is (if not the only one ) one of the only ones that has a "legendary bankai "as it was stated when we learned about how toshiro became a soul reaper
As I remember that old fight Toushirou's bankai created some kind of armor made of ice to prevent bleeding from wounds. Bankai gone = armor gone = wound started to bleed again
You guys remember how bankais take a long time to master? When ichigo first used his the force and impact on his body was so great that it made his bones rattle under the sheer pressure? I think ice fairy gushed blood because his body just couldnt take all that power and he is in a childs body. The effect was probably waay worse on him than ichigo. I think over the course of the arc he increased the amount of time he could hold phase 1 of his bankai but once those petals broke it was too much and he had to release bankai immediately. Over that year time skip though i think he mastered phase 2 at some point and never had a chance to cut loose..especially fighting an unknown enemy who has the ability to steal bankai... Ice fairy got it stolen and actually got ganked by the zombie girl. He held back a lot this arc pre zombie which would explain his huge power boost fighting mayuri. Thank you for this video because kubo pissed me off with this bankai at first but you made it all make sense
Really late on this. But when Kenpachi loses his bankai blood bursts just like with Toshiro after the arrancar fight. The little girl said he used too much, hence the reason he bursts out blood, that must be the same reason Toshiro burst out blood after he finished off Grimmjow's Fraccion.
Olivier Bufole That’s the same reason stated in this video though. His body was not ready for the change and therefore was tearing itself apart much like how toshiros body wasn’t ready for his real Bankai so it Well didn’t tear itself apart but it did gravely injure it.
It may be that all of the issues Toshiro had with Aizen, Momo getting hurt, his lack in power to protect her, or possibly a mental block with being short and a prodigy; that all of these things weren't resolved and he couldn't fully connect to hyorinmaru until then. When it came to Aizen, Toshiro often acted very rash and it may have reflected in his bankai.
Yeah I have to agree with Tekking's observation on Toshiro's ice flower petal it's just like Zaraki's body couldn't handle his Bankai and damaged Zaraki's body as he was just not ready to use it.
Toshiro Ftw, imagine him in 100 years, captain of all soul society for sure. lets be honest he is only one of the remaining captains who can fill that role based on personality and power. (Bankai when Torshiro is adult, Freeze everything in sight and controlling the weather at the same time.)
i think that toshiro's maturity is a lot like edward elric from fullmetal alchemist. it was thought that because of what edward did with alchemy in getting his brother back that he was somehow attached to his brother's body and it hindered his body, which caused certain side effects like shortness, eating copious amounts of food, and being able to sleep for long periods of time if allowed the time because he was technically, supplying sustenance for two. that being the case, since the wielder and the zpt are connected, toshiro's power could have been connected to his maturity in some way like that, as if hyorinmaru was keeping him from maturing too quickly. i believe that the blood (in that shawlong fight) was from exertion on toshiro's immature body and mind and was the same thing that happened to kenpachi with his bankai and the arm. it's like hyorinmaru was like 'no no, too fast'. my question is, is toshiro's body growth like kenpachi's body changes and ichigo's shihakusho? will he go back to a child? that's the real mystery...
Has anyone considered the fact that maybe Toshiro used his ice powers to temporarily stop the bleeding (i.e. freeze the wound). But, when he killed shawlong, he exerted too much energy thus reopening his wounds, hence the excessive bleeding.
Thank you for making this video! This has helped me understand Toshiro's bankai alot and help me to put the pieces together in order to understand the bankai's development. Even though i've not read the chapter yet this has helped me alot! So thank you so much!! :)
I'm thinking its that last idea he mentioned, the one that Toushiro had to train to get to the last petal because he said he needed to train to stay in bankai longer. It would make sense, he would have needed to train to get stronger in order to reach that level and achieve his full power. Here's to hoping we find out next chapter!
I mean, it makes sense that he'd be training his body to handle the sheer power of his bankai. There have been quite a few incidences where people with new/"immature" bankai were crushed under the power of their own bankai. Ichigo and Kenpachi for one. It's likely that until he could physically handle the strain of using his bankai, he'd be unable to access its full potential. That being said, him being forced to "age up" a little bit would make sense, since an adults body would likely handle the strain better then a child's body. The metaphorical time limit might actually refer to how long he could handle his bankai' power before it overwhelmed him. It what you're saying is right and that as each petal melts, Toshiro's bankai gets closer to maturity, then it'd also makes sense that as each petal fades, his bankai is growing stronger, and that his "limit" is his own physical body. Which can be "fixed" by growing up a bit and making himself more durable to his bankai's pressure. If that makes sense?
I view it like this. He has to make a kind of sacrifice to Hyumimaru in the form of Spiritual Pressure. If he cannot sustain that length of pressure to summon him completely, ie: the ice flowers melting, the dragon turns on him and attacks him. Kinda like how Hiei's power works in Yu Yu Hakusho. Hiei has to use his own energy to summon the dragon but if he is low energy or if the dragon can take advantage of him in any way, it will devour him along with his enemy. However Hiei got to such a point that he was more powerful THAN the dragon and so when he was faced with the dragon devouring him (when Bui retured it in his own direction) Hiei was able to consume the dragon and have the power at his disposal. Perhaps the ice pedals were a WARNING system Hitsugaya Toshiro put on HIMSELF as to alert him when he is running low on the power needed to keep the ice dragon under his control. If he loses the stamina, the dragon rips him to shreds, like you saw when the ice flowers disapeared vs Sholin. However this time Toshiro was strong enough to handle it and when the ice flowers vanished this time, he was able to consume the dragon and become fully mature. Boom. Theory done it's NOT an asspull fucking KOL is just a scrub when it comes to analysis.
I was always under the impression that Toshiro would straight up die if all the petals disappeared, and that scene pretty much backed up my belief but when i thought about it i couldn't pinpoint anything that made me think that. I don't know if it was implied at some point or i just picked it up myself and thought "oh yeah it's a count-down to death". I guess it could work from both sides if it were explained that his body was simply not mature enough to handle his true Bankai. So yeah it's a count-down to when his true Bankai awakens, similar to Ikkaku? but also death until he matures enough to endure it. Makes sense to me.
In his fight against Shawlong, I believe Toshiro was using his "ice armor" to mend the badly bleeding cut Shawlong delivered to him, PRIOR to the bankai activaiton. Then, when Shawlong was defeated, Toshiro "deactivated" his bankai, since there was no more need to maintain his bankai- in other words, he intentionally ended his bankai, as opposed to he could no longer maintain his bankai due to the flower pedal countdown.
You cant say that Kenpachi's Bankai is something we've never seen before, thats just stupid. If Kubo showed a format of Bankais does that mean all Bankais should go along the same format? No. And then they say Bleach is repetitive. And omg, there is so much biased hate for Toshiro, its sad.
+Izayoi Shido but its something that should change the properties of the sword not the user. Kenpachi' became something else imo. you can even call him a shinigami he just became something else
Makes perfect sense to me. Him making it to the last petal is him reaching the full potential of his bankai and to use his full powers he has to be an adult kinda like how goku ssj4 was an adult even though he was a kid at the same time. That last sentence was probably kinda confusing but most should get it. So Toshiro reaching the last petal is him reaching his bankai's full potential and to use it he needs an adult body so it transforms him into an adult for a certain duration of time.
keep in mind it has been mentioned that after obtaining a bankai it takes up to ten years to MASTER it as well. Byakuya mentions this to Renji back in the soul society arc. Also Toshiro was still learning how to use a bankai back when Usain was captain of squad ten
as well as 10 years to learn the basic bankai. on top of that, that would place the timeline maybe a year or two before Ichigo was born. Ichigo being about 16-17 by then that places the timeframe until he matured about maybe 17-19 year time span, just enough to fit the norm. This implies that the maturity may be more of his bankai form rather than him aging due to it. And I could be mistaken but wasn't there a panel implying that he could have gone into his adult form at any time? I remember him saying something about him choosing to remain in his younger body
Reading the battle with shawlong Im pretty sure the blood came from the wound he had sealed with ice after he had the limit removed and then busted open after the battle was over. But your theory does work better after the recent chapter. I'm still going with this being like nel with him transforming back to normal after the battle.
Toshiro's growth probably is the most slowest...the other one was Yachiru but we know her deal now, but most captains we have seen them younger and grew up but Hitsugaya still looks almost as he was when he was third seat NOW ON MATURITY OF BANKAI- I was thinking since he has stunted growth , and he cant use full power of his Bankai, Hyourinmaru made the flowers to speed up the growing process in battle so he can temporarily use its full power until when he actually grows up. so as you can imagine having to be forced to grow up is a hell of a process that could have killed him if he was weak so he had to undo bankai before that happened, or something similar to his fight with Shawlong could happen...so now during the fight with Miracle he was slowly Maturing and now lets see the results of his training... if kubo explains it like this please do a called that shit dance on my behalf TEKKING lol
You are 100% right in my opinion. Definitely not an asspull. I just want to know why he didn't use it against bazz b but I guess that would kind of be an asspull because it's the perfect counter to him.
Toshiro's ice flowers were brought up in the Halibel fight (at least in the anime) by Toshiro himself as he says that since half of the flowers are gone his Bankai is a bit weaker than it was before so he can confidently use his weather ability against Halibel.
TheMemester439 true he said his bankai was then half weaker so he felt more confident in using his most powerful attack. The one which would have killed hallibel had wonderweiss not come
@@marionardailloux6553 my best guess as to that is that the power decays over time but then when the last flower fades it shoots back up exponentially.
TheMemester439 but at that time he had not mastered it so when the last flower disappear he would not have grown but either release the bankai or get injured ala kenpachi by the sheer power of his full bankai
@@marionardailloux6553 probably. I think in the one fight were we see him lose them all when he explodes in blood, I think that's probably because his bankai had frozen his wounds.
+Jūshirō Ukitake one of the reasons I like uryu so much is because he has grown and developed and was a good rival for ichigo and has done a lot to contribute to the series. when ichigo died he is the one that stepped up and took and ulquiorra knowing he stood absolutely no chance against him and then even after loosing his arm and still continued to fight him like a man till be literally could not get up and once he had his strength agian he used his bare body to protect orihime as hollow ichigo delt with ulquiorra, but even before that he was the only person to take out a captain in the soul society arch and really helped develop ichigo in the early part of the series
Its the same case of Kenpachi, he used his bankai to early and his body get fucking demolished for that huge power, i think Hitsugaya's bankai is too reiatsu consuming and he only mastered it now
+Felipe Thiago I can agree with that. Also, he did take a lot of damage before the limit release, so I think it may be like what Kenpachi felt after the fight with Gremmy Thoumeaux.
In the bleach anime, the fight with Luppi(RUclips please trust me on that spelling), he tries destroying Hitsugaya's petals to disrupt his bankai which works taking Hitsugaya out of the fight for a bit. later when Hitsugaya reenters the fight he explains that the petals represent the amount of time his bankai can create ice and that he can keep fighting past that if he has a source of water freeze to make more ice. that is my two cents, feel free to fact check it has been a few years since I saw that episode.
4 years late, but oh well. Luppi wasn't aiming for the petals, he was just attacking Hitsugaya from multiple angles, and either cracked or broke one of his wings. Hitsugaya never mentioned anything about his petals. He only mentioned that Luppi should have made sure he finished off Hitsugaya and not leave him alone for so long (which let him set up Sennen Hyoro), and that he can regenerate his Bankai as long as there is moisture in the air.
+Richard Garcia You guys do realize, KOL made a good point in his vid, replacing Kenpachi for a Hitsu bankai that got it´s entire base concept changed, isnt good writing, but he got very hate, due to not liking hitsugaya, any hitsu fans should unsubs KOL.
Final Sebas But Kubo always does this. He shifts perspective just as we almost get the answers we want. Right now Urahara is up in the air and Ichigo is non existent. Also Tekkin explains how the base concept was only made on assumptions on the part of the reade never was it definitively stated that the petals end the bankai.
***** I think one of the issues with Hitsu´s bankai was also not being properly showcased before, Hitsu had lots of fights and only now, are we getting the ice flowers counting as a countdown for a power-up, in a real properly paneled fight, Kubo could´ve avoided this if he had Shawlong´s monologue being either BSed by Hitsu or at the end someone else mentioning something on his bankai. In the end it might have just been a misunderstanding due to the whole concept of his bankai never been properly explained before or due to the power-up of having it stolen. Again KOL doesnt like Hitsu and he took panel time from Kenpachi who needs more explanation on his powers as well along with the whole thing with Yachiru, which lead him to rant. Eitherway, Hitsu had lots of fights I can see why this thing wasnt brought up in certain ones, but he had multiple ones.
Maybe Toshiro didn't know at first about his bankai being uncompleted, maybe the fact that two people had toshiro's bankai made his zanpakuto hesitant on giving him the full power. Then after training it decided he matured enough so it allowed him to reach his max potential. :3
Looking back on this, I think Hiyorinmaru or its power "froze" Toshiro's body so that he didn't age, but when his true Bankai was unleashed, so was his true body
Do you think that hitsugaya can optain power on yamamotos lvl? because he has the strongest waterbased zanpakto and yamamoto had the strongest fire zanpakto maybe he will even become the new captain commander!
+tekking101 , i believe that toshiro was training with his bankai after aizen's defeat. while matsmoto (if thats her name, his lieutenant) was walking around sad about gin.
Maybe we will even get Rangiku Matsumoto's bankai soon (not likely but a man can dream, right?). What could that be like? An armor made of ash? A larger version of her shikai like Byakuya's bankai? With Toshiro turning into an adult and Kenpachi reaching bankai, it seems pretty much anything is possible now...
Kenpachi's bankai doesn't alter his personality his personality is the same, he's always looking for fights, the more dificult the better, you can say he gets more agressive but that isn't changing his personality, he is already agressive and Yachiru also has that huge reiatsu so when you combine Kenpachi's already huge reiatsu and fighting desire to Yachiru's huge reitasu and her understanding of how Kenpachi is then you get a very agressive beast that will fight no matter what plus it's the first time we see Kenpachi using his Bankai, perhaps in the future, if there will be one, Kenpachi can get a better control although that would be highly unlikely because he simply doesn't care. Regarding Toshiro it ressembles Ikkaku's bankai, as the dragon crest turns red, he is ready to use it's full power, the same applies to Toshiro when the ice petals dissapear he gets to use his full power, however it has a cost, he grows older, does it happen everytime he uses his full power bankai? We don't know, but he says he had to age a bit in order to get his full power bankai and he also says he is not a fan of it. So could it that in order to use it now he sacrificed a few years of his life as seen he claims he had to age? Or does it mean naturaly age as in get older, train and that normal process? Most likely neither he or hyourinmaru were ready for the transformation before, so after aging a bit and training and raising his reiatsu his body became capable of handling the transformation and hyourinmaru became able to do it.
Tekking do you think anyone else will reach the level above bankai other than Ichigo and Aizen? What I mean is Ichigo 'accepting' zangetsu fused it to his arm, and the hogyoku fused Kyōkasuigetsu to Aizens arm and Aizen said it was the final stage of a zanpakuto. Then there was the whole becoming one with a zanpakuto and its powers thing that Ichigo did for the Saigo no getsuga tenshou and Isshin and Aizen might have done
+mvpxtomahawkzz There is no ''true'' level beyond Bankai to my understanding. Ichigo's case is unique and Aizen was using an artifact that basically made him a God. I really cannot see it TBH.
+clearspira well I suppose you could be right spice kubo has made a clear link between Ichigo and Aizen, if anyone else reaches a higher plane it could be different to Ichigo and Aizen's forms
Hitsugaya needed to master his bankai ... and when he was fighting that quincy .. i think his last petal disappeared ... and he then got injured ... but he mastered his bankai after his battle with aizen ...then kubo mentioned in an interview ... that he has mastered bankai ... and then ... this happens .
Toshiro's ice clone can't just only be used once, he said it was a trick that can only be used once against someone like Halibel because she'd see through the trick if it were used a second time on account of her being a high level opponent.
and i swear he used that clone technique again, idk maybe it was a filler arc
@@asianpersuasion4901 It was Regai Toshiro, who used it against Byakuya in a fight.
Toshiro got tired of losing all the time and turned into Ichigo 😂😂😭
+Salty Tsuna he looks more like Byakuya ;)
He turned into Yamamoto.
+Kenan Gosto looool
+joel george dude, Kira got a hole on his left side and he's still alive lol. why would a captain with just two blasts in his body due that easily?
+Salty Tsuna xD the new main character..
It could be similar to Renji's bankai in a way. Zabimaru didn't allow Renji to use his bankais full potential because he wasn't fully ready to use it.
The thing with Toshiro, the ice petals could mean something entirely different than a power down. The longer he uses it, the more in control of his power he gets. When he is able to fully control it, the petals shatter and he matures along with his bankai
Remember Yachiru said she gave Kenpachi too much power when his arm imploded? Same with Hitsuguya when he fought Shawlong. Too much power at once. The same couldve happened with Renji if he attained Zabimarus true form before he was ready.
That might be why they say you need time to practice with it. If you use it before you are fully ready, it could damage you or kill you. Or you could be Mayuri and just fuck with it to fit you.
+Spade3dg ichigos hollow also said something similar to him the first time he used bankai
+Tokidabear (Tokidabear) If I remember correctly "You're getting crushed by your own Bankais spiritual pressure, Couldn't you tell!?? Every bone in your body is creaking from the strain! let me show you, how I use this Bankai!!"
Sherm3dg thank you, your one of the few people on this comment section who uses insight, facts and intuition. i came to the same conclusion and just was looking for someone who was thinking on the same wave length. its bad that people tend to respond more to this uninteresting nerd than use their own brains
Leon3DG well renji did not even have his real bankai as in the name he used was wrong, a bit like yumichika s shikai.
Hitsugaya s bankai was the real one but a junior version his little body can handle. Hyonrinmaru was always supposed to be very powerful, no way could a child wield this ( in the fillers Hyonrinmaru said so himself). Tellingly just before kenpachi s body was injured by the strength of his bankai
lets be honest....Toshiro kinda deserves a win after all those Ls he has been collecting.
Bazz B and Aizen... Who else?
+Aleme_Najimi weren't their powers in the real world mitigated tho? Well for Cang and Harribel he immobilzed them and he did the same with luppi in the end and we all realise that his ice powers since Harribel fight ain't gonna kill instantly more immobilzing the opponent which is shit but yeah. Mayuri lol anybody could lose to him n he was being a puppet.
+Aleme_Najimi if he can immobilze espada #3... Why u think at full power luppi would be able to stop him?
+Aleme_Najimi Wtf are you talking about? We don't know whether Hitsugaya would have defeated Luppi or not without the assistance of the vice-captains. But seeing how he fought with Harribel, it's safe to assume he would have eventually defeated Luppi. As for Harribel, she would have stayed defeated if SHE didn't get assistance from Wonder Weiss. The only reason he lost to Bazz-B was because his bankai was taken away from him, so Toshiro had a massive disadvantage. As for Cang Du, the second Hitsugaya got his bankai back, he CASUALLY defeated Cang Du.
So far, the only L's he's taken is from Aizen. The rest is because Hitsugaya was either at a disadvantage or that we didn't see him fight all out to see what the result would have been.
The Hitsugaya hate is real.
+Linnyboy Very true, I'm glad that he can actually show what his bankai can really do.
In all honesty, I just figured that Hyourinmaru just froze some of Toshiros wounds so that they wouldn't bleed much during the battle. When his Bankai was dismissed, that's when the wounds were no longer frozen, thus leading to a massive blood loss altogether.
ckay11002 me to
Yes that could have happened but ice does not melt instantly not to mention that it looked like he was stabbed in a hundred different parts !
Gakomi Urago this is the fucking soul society anything can happen like someone getting horns on their head when they use bankai to a thousand miniature blades that reflect light and cut you do you really think instantly melting ice is that far fetched The soul society defies logic
As an EMT, I’m willing to believe this. Plus, magic and shit.
Lol thought the same.
Toshiro has a bit of a temper problem, and whenever he lashed out in blind anger, it NEVER worked out well for him. To be more effective, he needed to be a bit more cool-headed; cool enough to wait patiently. With patience comes maturity. I think this is what is reflective in this revealed facet of his weapon.
DenisK21 patience goes with maturity. Hitsugaya s immaturity means he is impatient. Kid was so impatient he cheated his way to puberty
Marion Ardailloux horse shit the only time he's like that is with aizen tell me when is impatient and impulsive
@@zaviaplummer7988 Also against Gin. He was quite impulsive then as well, and IIRC was even close to striking down Momo if she insisted on standing in his way... or at least, wasn't all that discouraged about hitting her as collateral damage in the process of attacking Gin with ice. (I think he planned to use his ice petal rain? Would have turned the next half mile into a winter wonderland, so makes sense.)
So you saying he gotta stay chill💯👌
@@marionardailloux6553 no
*Tallshiro Hotsugaya*
Almost 300 likes no repile time to fix that
Its captain tallshiro hotsugaya to you
#BLACKPROFILEPICGANG where you at!?
No, its Sexy Legal Daddy Toshiro Hitsugaya
@@HalfBakedPotatoWedges yes 👏
Definitely not an asspull.
exactly
+Bobo Kingos Yeah, now Toshiro can show what his true bankai can do, how don't he said that Kenpachi bankai isn't an asspull?
+Getsugan Kurosaki (Mugetsugan) he did at ,first
Shaquan Davis Did you read the new chapter?
+Getsugan Kurosaki (Mugetsugan) yes
@ Tekking - don't forget Ikkaku's bankai, it is very lazy, so he said. It takes a while for it to wake up and get to full power. Maybe the flowers are the time limit for which Toshiro's Bankai to power up fully.
Shunsui said while fighting Stark thern when Toshirō's powers mature he will surpass Shunsui. Think this is the time?
yup
+TheWinterFox10 no, he said in probably 100 years.
+Bernkastel he can freeze anything nd make is abilities useless, if he gets within range shunsui would be cake.
He said "surpass" not "survive".
Hallow Goddess of Intelligence and Conquest srsly bro how
there is a reason kubo showed zenpachi's body failing right before he did this with toshiro. kubo isn't stupid and he knows exactly what he writes. this is just like when we found about ichigo. there were no plot holes and when you go back and watch with the new knowledge, it becomes painfully obvious that he had something set up all along.
*****
not saying anyone here did, but it comes up every time something happens that people don't immediately understand.
"That's my background, that's Rukia... hiii Rukiaaa ~ " - so relatable.
Damn Tekking you've been pumping this videos out at a fast pace: The 670 review, the Nuzlocke, and this. SLOW DOWN MAN YOU'LL HAVE A HEART ATTACK!
how most shonen villians are defeated:"haaaaaaAAAAAAAA!", how a fairy tail villain is beaten:"THE power of friendship compells you!"< times 3
You nailed it on the head Tekking nice research and deduction of his bankai's new form.I'm more concern with Yachiru's purpose with Kenpachi's zanpaktou.
+Mc.Quain Promesse lmao his bank
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Thank you for going into details and looking at an issue in depth. Definitely the markings of a great reviewer.
I agree that his body was not strong enough because when his zanpakuto was release hyorinmaru didn't believe him to be his master
Antonella Onai The way I see that moment when hitsugaya burst with blood after the last ice flower shatter like when kenpachi arms burst when yachiru was trying to release more of his power. Hitsugaya body wasn't able to maintain that amount of power in his child form which he stated he had to mature his body to maintain that level of power
Toshiro never said that he is training to extends the time-limit. That was King's and many others(including mine)assumption. That dang Kubo troll us again-big time!
If Kubo really said that in an interview then it really doesn't matter. You see, we really don't know anything about the ice flowers. Kubo just planted that assumption and never confirm it. Giving him the opportunity to do whatever he wants with Toshiro's bankai, and it wouldn't be bad writing. He made himself an opening for a twist that was so hard that it made people flip the table.
True, but Ikaku's Bankai was revealed just before Toshiro's was. so I feel like that was on purpose.
Ikaku goes on about how his Bankai has a timer before it fully awakens and can unleash it's TRUE power, and immediately afterwords, the fact that Toshiro's Bankai also has a timer is focused on? Seems a bit convenient in retrospect. Like Kubo was trying to give a hint to the audiance as to the truth of Toshiro's Bankai while also using that Arrankar's comment and Toshiro's geyser of blood as a smokescreen to make sure it wasn't too obvious a hint.
Only apply to ongoing series. Last information we knew is what canon.
Dude you are the ONLY FUCKING REASON why i still read bleach. Your reviews and videos in general are so good it keeps me somewhat interested in the series
Same
+Chad Thomas Yup. The only level headed reviewer of Bleach. Cannot wait for his Toriko reviews
+Chad Thomas I still love Bleach.
+Chad Thomas Yup. I would still read Bleach, but Tekking's videos make it so much better.
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Before and after the final battle with Aizen, Hitsugaya stated how he needed to train to get stronger and master his Bankai. But, he never confirmed that the petals were a countdown to the end of his bankai, just that it was indeed a countdown of some form.
As for the burst of blood after the fight with the arrancar (I'm unsure how to spell his name) I feel like that would be from the petals dissipating, and him not having full control of it, causing injuries to his body. Similar to what we just saw happen to Zeraki.
It should be basically confirmed that was the case. He released his Bankai every time the pedals got low because if they expired, the Bankai's real power would ravage his body, exactly like Ichigo and now Kenpachi.
In a way, it WAS a countdown on how long he could use Bankai, but not in the way people thought since the pedals were RESTRAINTS, not simple indicators.I think that he intentionally mislead people into thinking that way for two reasons:
1). It doesn't really matter anyway, after all, he has to stop using Bankai before the last pedal falls or get fried until he can catch up to his full power.
2). Toshiro is smart. He knows better than to go blabbing to enemies that he has a higher realm of power at his disposal that he could potentially use against them, especially when he can't use it yet. It was far better to keep his mouth shut and let people believe the wrong idea while he trained, and when he did unlock it, he made sure not to use it unless he absolutely had to.
The bankai was helping the blood from spewing so when the petal countdown ended and his bankai was going to the second stage, all of the blood it froze and held back just spewed out
Christopher sepulveda. Well you are correct but it kindof work the same way and make sense with the theory. He was badly injured in the fight while he is reaching the limit of his body stressed by the surging power of hyourinmaru. Thus this makes damage on him amplified.
That last point makes the most sense to me, that Toshiro's training to extend the time he can stay in his bankai didn't mean he was trying to make the countdown last longer, but rather that he was trying to be able to stay in bankai long enough to _reach_ the end of the countdown.
This all makes me think of what Stark said to Shunsui during their fight. (Paraphrased) "You just assumed that was how my power worked, I never said that you were correct."
And like as Tekking himself has pointed out many times. Why the hell would you confirm anything? Its to your advantage for your opponent to not understand it.
Toshiro is reverse Nel?
Kempachi is reverse Stark?
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One thing I'd like to point out is that Hitsugaya never said Zanhyō Ningyō was a technique he could only use once, or even once per battle. He said "a trick like that is likely to only work once", meaning that he usually only gets one usage of the technique before his opponents become not only aware of its' existence, but wise to any further usage of it.
I mean if you look at Zaraki, when his arm was fucked during his bankai, Yachiru said that his body wasn't ready for the massive power of the bankai. So when Toshiro spouted blood, it was probably the same circumstance
Exactly. You are absolutely right!!
+Anime Perspective Thanks. I just thought that if you look at Kenpachi and his bankai causing harm to him because he hadn't mastered it at all, it feels like Kubo had made this chapter in mind after Kenpachi
+Daniel Taylor its the same with ichigo too. his bones had started to crack. kubo might explain tommorow
+zero27 Exactly. Mastering a bankai out of nowhere should not happen. Bankai, well most bankai is overpowered, but most the times, the user cannot handle it.
Daniel Taylor
and also why he made him a bishounen man for fanservice. kubo has to explain that too
I noticed when you brought up the countdown chapter, that Toshiro only replied to the assumption that it was a countdown. So if his Bankai fully matures at the end of the ice petals, that would be a countdown. The opponent only assumed that a countdown meant til he's done and not that he's in a warming up stage. Which makes sense since as you stated before, his Bankai at that point is simply a more powerful version of his shikai. Maybe as he gets stronger, there will be less flowers counting down allowing him to reach full Bankai at a faster rate?
Toshiro 's Bankai was always vary strong and he could not handle the power before but now he can in the latest arc
The blood spurting thing that you mentioned now further justifies his power increase and "sudden" transformation.
See the most recent example of a bankai releasing too much energy - Kenpachi, and his arm broke off with Yachiru apologizing for releasing too much power.
Same thing probably happened to Toshiro previously. As the petals faded, his power was getting released by Hyonimaru but back then his body couldn't handle the strain and he eventually broke with blood spraying out everywhere. Now, he finally is able to contain all the energy release from all the petals and enter second form.
Hyonimaru is somewhat like Hōzukimaru, Ikkaku's bankai which coincidentally also has a dragon-related theme, and it required a warm up time to unleash its full strength.
Well I would treat it the same way as Kenpachi's bankai, perhaps its not that the power was being restrained (Because really why would Hyorinmaru harm Toshiro to stop him from gaining power) but the power was too intense for Toshiros body to handle at that point, similar to how Kenpachis arm was blown off because the power was too much for his body. If this were the case that explains the damage he received, the sudden change and increase in reitsu was too much for him in that current state, so he had to develop his power to the point he could withstand it. We've seen the same sort of thing with Ichigos bankai that one time, where it was too much for him and he could barely move. Or perhaps its something else completely and he just had to learn how to properly transform, sort of like Rukia.
Hitsugaya's Bankai explains how he's been getting owned so fast in the manga/anime that he didn't have enough time to go true Bankai until someone stalled for him (Kenpachi)
If you look really closely at the panel where rangiku up to him he still has that last petal floating above him
Something to point out with Toshiro gushing blood after the fight with Shawlong is that when Kenpachi was in his bankai his arm got wrecked to shit because his body wasn't able to handle that much power from his bankai. I look at it the same way with Toshiro before he reached his maturity, his body wasn't able to handle all the power from almost finishing the last Ice Petal and he suffered for it.
If you look at the picture from when Toshiro had blood spilling out when he had one ice petal left, in the picture where Rangiku yelled out "Captain!". Above Toshiro's bankai, there's a little speck of his bankai above him. Perhaps that's the last flower petal?
His Bankai is odd but at least we get something awesome out of it.
HUNK-SUGAYA.
I think ageing in the soul society works the same in the living world, it’s gradual but takes a small while as they have longer lives. With his bankai, he can only fully control it with a matured body- aka, an adult. So that’s why, I think anyway, he is an adult in bankai but his body won’t stay that way so he’ll revert back to his normal body. So you could see his bankai as a flash forward into what he might look like when he’s grown up
How i see Toshiros ice clone is, having your enemy believe 100% they are cutting you down to the point where they start seeing things. Its the same with yoruichi when Byakuya first "cut her down" The thing about kubo is, a lot of the stuff hes put under the microscope for makes sense in one way or another, but he doesnt like to explain himself. Its like going into an art gallery where one abstract painting has annotation and another one doesnt. You'll look at the one that doesnt and say "what the fuck is this?" In regards to only being able to use the clone once, i think he meant because she was aware of it he wouldnt be able to use it effectively again. Kind of like Urahara trying to use the replacement balloons on aizen more than once. Loved the video, keep it up.
We have also been introduced to a few occasions where someone's body could not withstand the power that it was receiving. May it be from Bankai or another source
I don't get what's so surprising about all this power up ? Remember when in Fake Karakura town Arc. Kyoraku was talking with Stark and told him that Toshiro is a true *Child Prodigy* , who knows maybe in 100 years he will be stronger than me . Shunsui wasn't sure how fast this comes but he is positive that he will surpass him sooner or later . Well it happened faster than anyone anticipated.
personally i think hitsugya's "maturity" was meant to be gradual, but if u remember a year or 2 ago we got that alert saying "wrap bleach up kubo" and that it got rushed to how it is now. After all he has been pumping out new bankai's like a "its now or never" just a thought i mean with everything closing in on ichigo's final fight there wasnt much left after kenpachi we just need to see something from byukaya now
Hey Tekking.
I’m pretty sure that Hitsuguya did allude to his Bankai getting weaker with the disappearance of his Snow Flowers when he fought against Harribel.
He says “But since half my ice flowers are gone, and my Bankai is in a weaker state, you could say I’m in the perfect situation to use it” when speaking about Hyouten Yakasou before he uses it. He said before he couldn’t control it and it was too risky to use before around the others in his Bankai.
Neji Hyuga yes he wanted to be weaker to use this attack as it was too powerful for him to control. And momo was there
The way I'm seeing it is Toshiro is one of the youngest proper shinigami to obtain a bankai. Ichigo is a weird aberration with his pitri dish of powers and living human status. Being that young, he has an immature Bankai. Ichigo while young for a human is essentially almost fully grown, by the UK standards he's likely considered almost an adult and even then the full power of his bankai hurts him at first. Toshiro in his childlike body cannot handle the strain, so he trains and then when his reiatsu, I'm assuming, is strong enough it rushes his body's growth so that he can channel that fully matured power. If Toshiro matured slowly, got his bankai as an adult like the norm, he would have looked about the same as he does now, skipping the ice flowers entirely and having that more resilient adult body. I can go both ways on this being temporary/permanent, but we are seeing this because a shinigami is supposed to be fully grown physically to access their bankai proper. The ice flower timer, cause it is a timer, let's him know how long he has before his Bankai automatically attempts to operate at full power, they seem more like a seal in this case. His ability with Ryusenka supporting this if he could only use it reliably with half the flower seal gone.
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When it comes to his age, Toshiro is the blue turbo ranger. Normally, he's a kid, when he's in full bankai he's an adult.
Also, with the mention of how Kenpachi's Bankai can harm him by releasing to much power I feel as though that was meant to help solidify the idea that Toshiro's bankai did damage to him when his flowers disappeared because he wasn't ready for it physically and thus, it fucked him up when he was about to fully release it. Interestingly, till he was ready it still functioned as a time limit as once it ran out, he'd basically be killed by his own power, so all of it's kinda true in a way.
Hitsugaya probably froze the blood from the wounds from Shenlong, that's why when he went out of Bankai the injuries manifested themselves.
Toushiro never confirmed that when he loses his petals that he'll lose his bankai. It was Shawlong that theorized it would happen and we've believed his words ever since. Hitsugaya has always admitted that his bankai is young, imperfect and needs training. However, the reason as to why he didn't use it while fighting Harribel and Aizen is most likely because he didn't know how to control it back then. He admitted to Harribel that he was afraid of using Hyōten Hyakkasō because he didn't know how to control it and he didn't want to damage any of his team mates in the cross fire. However, after Aizen, he said that he was going to train really hard due to his failure to protect Hinamori and he was going to perfect or master his zanpaktou. Ever since then, we haven't seen him go all out in a fight and when the Quincy's arrived, they stole his bankai so he was never allowed to use it and Bazz-B almost killed him before Giselle turned him into a zombie and Mayuri put him under a drug. So it's not an ass pull at all and Kubo doesn't really need to explain it. We just need to connect the dots ourselves.
Just a few chapters earlier, Toshiro was tellingg Height jokes to Byakuya, and then suddenly he grows up lol
I started watching you cause you are original which is why i watch you and only you for bleach reviews. Also the fact you never just followed the crowed. Meaning just agreed with other reviewers cause they are bigger etc. I'am glad you haven't changed. Keep this up man you are amazing :P
So when toshiro's bankai fucks up his body, people assume it's because of what Shawlong stated, but when kenpachi's bankai fucks up his body, people accept it. I'm pissed about how people aren't smart enough to see that toshiro needed training, his bankai was immature, and just like kenpachi's, which released a lot of energy, ended up causing damage to himself. People claiming ass pull, simply aren't intelligent enough to see that connection, which is: Bankai way too fucking powerful, boom goes the body, train to handle that bankai, no more boom goes the body. Can I make it any more simple than that?
+Miguel Pena How's rent up there in your ass? I see you're not just all the way up there, but you've set root and made a nice home for yourself.
I'm asking for facts from people, not shit flinging contests, which is exactly what you started, granted with my insults enraging people like you, that's not surprising. The petals are mentioned occasionally depending on the length of the battle, if they aren't mentioned at all, then it's usually because a battle either just began, or didn't last long enough to affect the petal count. If kubo does not include them in the scene, then it's usually because of one of these things, or they're not important at the moment. Are you expecting him to mention them often? Oh hey! a crack formed, now another, and another! Oh look it went away! It's so much more important than the actual battle! Of course not! He foreshadows on most occasions, and in the battle with Shawlong, toshiro never agrees with the statement about his petals disappearing, therefore his bankai disappears. View the above video for more evidence, but seeing how you're on here defending a losing argument, that was already covered in the video, I'll leave it at that. Have fun being ignorant.
Miguel Pena 1. Not defending any arguement, cause there's no basis for one, there was no foreshadowing uf this form, there's literally nothing that substantiates anything you're saying, if i had to pick a side, the man famous for asspulling, pulling out a new power up without any foreshadowing, or previous explanation or anything that ever showed this to be a possibility, i'd side with the former, but here in lies your ignorance your arguement is "He never said that was how it worked" well in that case you can justify any asspull kubo has ever done by saying "he never said that wasn't possible" your arguement is as flimsy as your strange claim to intellectualism, have fun being a condescending, arrogant, and worst of all completely blind to the fact that you no evidence at all beyond speculation, while demanding evidence to support another theory, lmao you keep uping the dumbass ante well done.
+MJ AOT Hitsugaya has always said in the past that his power has not matured, that he is still young, and that his Bankai is immature.
+MJ Except no...he said he NEVER stated what the bankai was and just like Kenpachi, his immature/untrained bankai hurt his body.Your argument is "Hurr durr get out of your own ass" -provides no counterpoints-
My idea on Toshiro's Bankai:
I think Toshiro's Bankai is much like Ikkaku's Bankai, which Ikkaku's requires time to "wake up", but instead Toshiro's is more like time to "grow up" or like he said himself, "mature". So since this is his BANKAi "growing up", I highly doubt Toshiro will remain that age and will most likely revert back to being a kid once he powers down.
Going into his potential new powers and abilities
I think overall he won't gain a mass amount of new abilities, but his old powers might be augmented to a much higher degree, where just raising his reiatsu alone might freeze over neighboring buildings and streets, and drop the temperature well below 0 without even trying/conscious thought (similar to Rukia's Bankai maybe). I think what might end the fight would be him using one brand new technique that freezes Gerard from just the inside in Ice that doesn't melt from Toshiro just stabbing him in the body somewhere and his ice is seeping into Gerard's body, freezing him down to the cellular level because it's that damn cold or something more elaborate than that. So that way Gerard isn't harmed at all (except from the small stab wound), just forever incapacitated and frozen from the inside, being a real life statue forever and ever.
That would be lame in my opinion, so I hope Kubo does something way more awesome and creative. If my theory does happen... then at least I get to do an "I called that shit dance" in front of my friends lol.
I think the reason why Toshiro just spurted a massive amount of blood is the same reason why Kenpachi's arm simply imploded after going Bankai: they were practically still unable to master it. Yes Toshiro was a prodigy whom could use both shikai and bankai, however he's still technically an amateur at using it. Very much the same with Ichigo but not to the same extent. So yea so he probably continued to train with his bankai to improve himself with it.
Rin Uchiha I think it was more due to the fact his body is basically a fifth grader s. His body can t deal with that much power like kenpachi s after he went bankai. Yachiru even said his body was not strong enough. But his 4.5 feet tall 60 pounds body wont ever be strong enough so Hyonrinmaru just forces it to maturity.
To me this sounded like a case where it was probably heading towards it being a countdown, what with the dramatic zoom in on the Aizen-style, impassive eye that's usually reserved for when a villain gets the mental hit in, Hitsugaya's denial, and so on.
But since it wasn't explicitly stated, Kubo decided he could just fly off in another direction with it.
Or the wounds he had suffered from Shawlong earlier, the ones covered in ice, re-opened.
Exactly he couldn't maintain it,if you look at all his fights the less petals he is more fatigued.He kept training to decrease the strain when the ice petals disappeared. If you look at his fight with Espada #3 his stamina was excellent where he kept activating and deactivating his bankai.You can look at it as because of his age he has to unlock his banksi's true form and that's what his always stated with the maturity factor.
remember when mayuri said toshiro would lose like a couple of his years after being restored back to normal? maybe when he said that, he meant that the pods aged him several years enough that his body was mature enough.
It's funny that many people forget that it's been stated by the first captain Yamamoto that bankais mature and most abilities that they didn't have before can manifest after a while. Hence the fight with Yhwach where Yamamoto burns a bunch of quincies to ashes with his bankai's ability. Yhwach thought that was all to his power because he'd seen it before a long time ago, only to find out that Yamamoto could control the dead bodies afterwords. It's these little vague things in the manga that makes this arc really shine to me.
Maybe Toshiro's maturity is like a Dragon's maturity since Hyorinmaru is a dragon. There's plenty of Japanese myths where small creatures over the passage of years just become a full fledged dragon. I would also retroactively include Ichigo in the category of a Bankai that alters the person's personality since his hollowing is from his zankauto such as his fight with Byakuya. Also Toshiro trained similar to Jinzen in the anime with Ikkaku, Yumichika, and Rangiku shortly before Lupi, Yammy, and Wonderweiss shown up. Only Toshiro and Ikkaku were actually in the pose simialr to Jinzen training since I think its because they have a Bankai and a formed connection with their zanpakuto.
Diruigen Hyurimaru (sorry for screwing the name abit) is the strongest ice type zanpaktou.. when Hitsugaya spoke to Byakuya he states that he couldnt get to that stage purely because he couldnt stay in bankai form for the 12mins needed to reach its maturity. The petals floating behind him were indeed a countdown but not to his bankai dissapating but for Hyurimaru to reach full maturity and power
This is why I think tekking is the best reviewer that I know. Because he do some research before saying something and not just letting his personal opinions/agendas affect his videos. Aside from that time where he just messes with yushiro on the entire length of the review. xD
Exactly
You have to take in consideration that toshiro is (if not the only one ) one of the only ones that has a "legendary bankai "as it was stated when we learned about how toshiro became a soul reaper
As I remember that old fight Toushirou's bankai created some kind of armor made of ice to prevent bleeding from wounds. Bankai gone = armor gone = wound started to bleed again
+Michał K that make a good point !! and that is what i think
You guys remember how bankais take a long time to master? When ichigo first used his the force and impact on his body was so great that it made his bones rattle under the sheer pressure? I think ice fairy gushed blood because his body just couldnt take all that power and he is in a childs body. The effect was probably waay worse on him than ichigo. I think over the course of the arc he increased the amount of time he could hold phase 1 of his bankai but once those petals broke it was too much and he had to release bankai immediately. Over that year time skip though i think he mastered phase 2 at some point and never had a chance to cut loose..especially fighting an unknown enemy who has the ability to steal bankai... Ice fairy got it stolen and actually got ganked by the zombie girl. He held back a lot this arc pre zombie which would explain his huge power boost fighting mayuri. Thank you for this video because kubo pissed me off with this bankai at first but you made it all make sense
Really late on this. But when Kenpachi loses his bankai blood bursts just like with Toshiro after the arrancar fight. The little girl said he used too much, hence the reason he bursts out blood, that must be the same reason Toshiro burst out blood after he finished off Grimmjow's Fraccion.
Olivier Bufole That’s the same reason stated in this video though. His body was not ready for the change and therefore was tearing itself apart much like how toshiros body wasn’t ready for his real Bankai so it Well didn’t tear itself apart but it did gravely injure it.
It may be that all of the issues Toshiro had with Aizen, Momo getting hurt, his lack in power to protect her, or possibly a mental block with being short and a prodigy; that all of these things weren't resolved and he couldn't fully connect to hyorinmaru until then. When it came to Aizen, Toshiro often acted very rash and it may have reflected in his bankai.
Yeah I have to agree with Tekking's observation on Toshiro's ice flower petal it's just like Zaraki's body couldn't handle his Bankai and damaged Zaraki's body as he was just not ready to use it.
Toshiro Ftw, imagine him in 100 years, captain of all soul society for sure. lets be honest he is only one of the remaining captains who can fill that role based on personality and power. (Bankai when Torshiro is adult, Freeze everything in sight and controlling the weather at the same time.)
i think that toshiro's maturity is a lot like edward elric from fullmetal alchemist. it was thought that because of what edward did with alchemy in getting his brother back that he was somehow attached to his brother's body and it hindered his body, which caused certain side effects like shortness, eating copious amounts of food, and being able to sleep for long periods of time if allowed the time because he was technically, supplying sustenance for two. that being the case, since the wielder and the zpt are connected, toshiro's power could have been connected to his maturity in some way like that, as if hyorinmaru was keeping him from maturing too quickly. i believe that the blood (in that shawlong fight) was from exertion on toshiro's immature body and mind and was the same thing that happened to kenpachi with his bankai and the arm. it's like hyorinmaru was like 'no no, too fast'. my question is, is toshiro's body growth like kenpachi's body changes and ichigo's shihakusho? will he go back to a child? that's the real mystery...
he can only use the clones 1 time cuz the second time they would expect it making it useless
Has anyone considered the fact that maybe Toshiro used his ice powers to temporarily stop the bleeding (i.e. freeze the wound). But, when he killed shawlong, he exerted too much energy thus reopening his wounds, hence the excessive bleeding.
The aging process might be a power thing. The closer you get to max power, the older you look. Like reiatsu increase equal body's maturity
+TDClue That might be an explanation.
Thank you for making this video! This has helped me understand Toshiro's bankai alot and help me to put the pieces together in order to understand the bankai's development. Even though i've not read the chapter yet this has helped me alot! So thank you so much!! :)
I'm thinking its that last idea he mentioned, the one that Toushiro had to train to get to the last petal because he said he needed to train to stay in bankai longer. It would make sense, he would have needed to train to get stronger in order to reach that level and achieve his full power. Here's to hoping we find out next chapter!
I mean, it makes sense that he'd be training his body to handle the sheer power of his bankai. There have been quite a few incidences where people with new/"immature" bankai were crushed under the power of their own bankai. Ichigo and Kenpachi for one. It's likely that until he could physically handle the strain of using his bankai, he'd be unable to access its full potential. That being said, him being forced to "age up" a little bit would make sense, since an adults body would likely handle the strain better then a child's body. The metaphorical time limit might actually refer to how long he could handle his bankai' power before it overwhelmed him. It what you're saying is right and that as each petal melts, Toshiro's bankai gets closer to maturity, then it'd also makes sense that as each petal fades, his bankai is growing stronger, and that his "limit" is his own physical body. Which can be "fixed" by growing up a bit and making himself more durable to his bankai's pressure. If that makes sense?
I view it like this. He has to make a kind of sacrifice to Hyumimaru in the form of Spiritual Pressure. If he cannot sustain that length of pressure to summon him completely, ie: the ice flowers melting, the dragon turns on him and attacks him. Kinda like how Hiei's power works in Yu Yu Hakusho. Hiei has to use his own energy to summon the dragon but if he is low energy or if the dragon can take advantage of him in any way, it will devour him along with his enemy. However Hiei got to such a point that he was more powerful THAN the dragon and so when he was faced with the dragon devouring him (when Bui retured it in his own direction) Hiei was able to consume the dragon and have the power at his disposal. Perhaps the ice pedals were a WARNING system Hitsugaya Toshiro put on HIMSELF as to alert him when he is running low on the power needed to keep the ice dragon under his control. If he loses the stamina, the dragon rips him to shreds, like you saw when the ice flowers disapeared vs Sholin. However this time Toshiro was strong enough to handle it and when the ice flowers vanished this time, he was able to consume the dragon and become fully mature. Boom. Theory done it's NOT an asspull fucking KOL is just a scrub when it comes to analysis.
I was always under the impression that Toshiro would straight up die if all the petals disappeared, and that scene pretty much backed up my belief but when i thought about it i couldn't pinpoint anything that made me think that. I don't know if it was implied at some point or i just picked it up myself and thought "oh yeah it's a count-down to death".
I guess it could work from both sides if it were explained that his body was simply not mature enough to handle his true Bankai. So yeah it's a count-down to when his true Bankai awakens, similar to Ikkaku? but also death until he matures enough to endure it. Makes sense to me.
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In his fight against Shawlong, I believe Toshiro was using his "ice armor" to mend the badly bleeding cut Shawlong delivered to him, PRIOR to the bankai activaiton. Then, when Shawlong was defeated, Toshiro "deactivated" his bankai, since there was no more need to maintain his bankai- in other words, he intentionally ended his bankai, as opposed to he could no longer maintain his bankai due to the flower pedal countdown.
You cant say that Kenpachi's Bankai is something we've never seen before, thats just stupid. If Kubo showed a format of Bankais does that mean all Bankais should go along the same format? No. And then they say Bleach is repetitive. And omg, there is so much biased hate for Toshiro, its sad.
+Izayoi Shido but its something that should change the properties of the sword not the user. Kenpachi' became something else imo. you can even call him a shinigami he just became something else
Makes perfect sense to me. Him making it to the last petal is him reaching the full potential of his bankai and to use his full powers he has to be an adult kinda like how goku ssj4 was an adult even though he was a kid at the same time. That last sentence was probably kinda confusing but most should get it. So Toshiro reaching the last petal is him reaching his bankai's full potential and to use it he needs an adult body so it transforms him into an adult for a certain duration of time.
Unpopular opinion: Toshiro Hitsugya is my 2nd favourite captain
mee too
keep in mind it has been mentioned that after obtaining a bankai it takes up to ten years to MASTER it as well. Byakuya mentions this to Renji back in the soul society arc. Also Toshiro was still learning how to use a bankai back when Usain was captain of squad ten
as well as 10 years to learn the basic bankai. on top of that, that would place the timeline maybe a year or two before Ichigo was born. Ichigo being about 16-17 by then that places the timeframe until he matured about maybe 17-19 year time span, just enough to fit the norm. This implies that the maturity may be more of his bankai form rather than him aging due to it. And I could be mistaken but wasn't there a panel implying that he could have gone into his adult form at any time? I remember him saying something about him choosing to remain in his younger body
Reading the battle with shawlong Im pretty sure the blood came from the wound he had sealed with ice after he had the limit removed and then busted open after the battle was over. But your theory does work better after the recent chapter. I'm still going with this being like nel with him transforming back to normal after the battle.
Toshiro's growth probably is the most slowest...the other one was Yachiru but we know her deal now, but most captains we have seen them younger and grew up but Hitsugaya still looks almost as he was when he was third seat
NOW ON MATURITY OF BANKAI- I was thinking since he has stunted growth , and he cant use full power of his Bankai, Hyourinmaru made the flowers to speed up the growing process in battle so he can temporarily use its full power until when he actually grows up. so as you can imagine having to be forced to grow up is a hell of a process that could have killed him if he was weak so he had to undo bankai before that happened, or something similar to his fight with Shawlong could happen...so now during the fight with Miracle he was slowly Maturing and now lets see the results of his training...
if kubo explains it like this please do a called that shit dance on my behalf TEKKING lol
You are 100% right in my opinion. Definitely not an asspull. I just want to know why he didn't use it against bazz b but I guess that would kind of be an asspull because it's the perfect counter to him.
+Abdel Miah Because Chang Du had his bankai when he fought Bazz B, therefore no full power to unleash on Bazz B.
Toshiro's ice flowers were brought up in the Halibel fight (at least in the anime) by Toshiro himself as he says that since half of the flowers are gone his Bankai is a bit weaker than it was before so he can confidently use his weather ability against Halibel.
TheMemester439 true he said his bankai was then half weaker so he felt more confident in using his most powerful attack. The one which would have killed hallibel had wonderweiss not come
@@marionardailloux6553 my best guess as to that is that the power decays over time but then when the last flower fades it shoots back up exponentially.
TheMemester439 but at that time he had not mastered it so when the last flower disappear he would not have grown but either release the bankai or get injured ala kenpachi by the sheer power of his full bankai
@@marionardailloux6553 probably. I think in the one fight were we see him lose them all when he explodes in blood, I think that's probably because his bankai had frozen his wounds.
TheMemester439 either that or it was the result if his full powers. Hard to say
tekkin101 can you make a video on all quincy final forms :D
that would be awesome
and do you mean voltstandig?
+Jūshirō Ukitake I'm a huge fan of the quincy and uryu is my favorite character :)
+Jūshirō Ukitake yeah I mean that lol I forgot the name so I figured the general term is quincy final form like uryu used in the soul society arch :3
+Jūshirō Ukitake one of the reasons I like uryu so much is because he has grown and developed and was a good rival for ichigo and has done a lot to contribute to the series. when ichigo died he is the one that stepped up and took and ulquiorra knowing he stood absolutely no chance against him and then even after loosing his arm and still continued to fight him like a man till be literally could not get up and once he had his strength agian he used his bare body to protect orihime as hollow ichigo delt with ulquiorra, but even before that he was the only person to take out a captain in the soul society arch and really helped develop ichigo in the early part of the series
Toshiro's petals only show up when he's being cautious with his opponent, if you notice the skill level and the problem he has with his opponents.
Its the same case of Kenpachi, he used his bankai to early and his body get fucking demolished for that huge power, i think Hitsugaya's bankai is too reiatsu consuming and he only mastered it now
+Felipe Thiago I can agree with that. Also, he did take a lot of damage before the limit release, so I think it may be like what Kenpachi felt after the fight with Gremmy Thoumeaux.
In the bleach anime, the fight with Luppi(RUclips please trust me on that spelling), he tries destroying Hitsugaya's petals to disrupt his bankai which works taking Hitsugaya out of the fight for a bit. later when Hitsugaya reenters the fight he explains that the petals represent the amount of time his bankai can create ice and that he can keep fighting past that if he has a source of water freeze to make more ice. that is my two cents, feel free to fact check it has been a few years since I saw that episode.
4 years late, but oh well.
Luppi wasn't aiming for the petals, he was just attacking Hitsugaya from multiple angles, and either cracked or broke one of his wings. Hitsugaya never mentioned anything about his petals. He only mentioned that Luppi should have made sure he finished off Hitsugaya and not leave him alone for so long (which let him set up Sennen Hyoro), and that he can regenerate his Bankai as long as there is moisture in the air.
Tekking is the TRUE bleach reviewer! RIP KOL! Unsuscribed
lol
KOL lets Tite Kubo's finest work too much to heart at times 😁
+Richard Garcia You guys do realize, KOL made a good point in his vid, replacing Kenpachi for a Hitsu bankai that got it´s entire base concept changed, isnt good writing, but he got very hate, due to not liking hitsugaya, any hitsu fans should unsubs KOL.
Final Sebas But Kubo always does this. He shifts perspective just as we almost get the answers we want. Right now Urahara is up in the air and Ichigo is non existent. Also Tekkin explains how the base concept was only made on assumptions on the part of the reade never was it definitively stated that the petals end the bankai.
***** I think one of the issues with Hitsu´s bankai was also not being properly showcased before, Hitsu had lots of fights and only now, are we getting the ice flowers counting as a countdown for a power-up, in a real properly paneled fight, Kubo could´ve avoided this if he had Shawlong´s monologue being either BSed by Hitsu or at the end someone else mentioning something on his bankai. In the end it might have just been a misunderstanding due to the whole concept of his bankai never been properly explained before or due to the power-up of having it stolen. Again KOL doesnt like Hitsu and he took panel time from Kenpachi who needs more explanation on his powers as well along with the whole thing with Yachiru, which lead him to rant. Eitherway, Hitsu had lots of fights I can see why this thing wasnt brought up in certain ones, but he had multiple ones.
Maybe Toshiro didn't know at first about his bankai being uncompleted, maybe the fact that two people had toshiro's bankai made his zanpakuto hesitant on giving him the full power. Then after training it decided he matured enough so it allowed him to reach his max potential. :3
His bankai freezes him in time :^ )
Looking back on this, I think Hiyorinmaru or its power "froze" Toshiro's body so that he didn't age, but when his true Bankai was unleashed, so was his true body
Do you think that hitsugaya can optain power on yamamotos lvl? because he has the strongest waterbased zanpakto and yamamoto had the strongest fire zanpakto maybe he will even become the new captain commander!
Lol maybe 2000 years from now he would. but at this moment it's kyoraku
Great video and a well thought out theory as always tekking! Very much looking forward to the next chapter for hopefully some exposition.
+tekking101 , i believe that toshiro was training with his bankai after aizen's defeat. while matsmoto (if thats her name, his lieutenant) was walking around sad about gin.
+Study & Game Yea you are right, it was when Rangiku was watching him train in the cave after Aizens fight.
me too i believe that
Maybe we will even get Rangiku Matsumoto's bankai soon (not likely but a man can dream, right?). What could that be like? An armor made of ash? A larger version of her shikai like Byakuya's bankai? With Toshiro turning into an adult and Kenpachi reaching bankai, it seems pretty much anything is possible now...
Completely agree Tekking
Kenpachi's bankai doesn't alter his personality his personality is the same, he's always looking for fights, the more dificult the better, you can say he gets more agressive but that isn't changing his personality, he is already agressive and Yachiru also has that huge reiatsu so when you combine Kenpachi's already huge reiatsu and fighting desire to Yachiru's huge reitasu and her understanding of how Kenpachi is then you get a very agressive beast that will fight no matter what plus it's the first time we see Kenpachi using his Bankai, perhaps in the future, if there will be one, Kenpachi can get a better control although that would be highly unlikely because he simply doesn't care.
Regarding Toshiro it ressembles Ikkaku's bankai, as the dragon crest turns red, he is ready to use it's full power, the same applies to Toshiro when the ice petals dissapear he gets to use his full power, however it has a cost, he grows older, does it happen everytime he uses his full power bankai? We don't know, but he says he had to age a bit in order to get his full power bankai and he also says he is not a fan of it. So could it that in order to use it now he sacrificed a few years of his life as seen he claims he had to age? Or does it mean naturaly age as in get older, train and that normal process? Most likely neither he or hyourinmaru were ready for the transformation before, so after aging a bit and training and raising his reiatsu his body became capable of handling the transformation and hyourinmaru became able to do it.
Tekking do you think anyone else will reach the level above bankai other than Ichigo and Aizen? What I mean is Ichigo 'accepting' zangetsu fused it to his arm, and the hogyoku fused Kyōkasuigetsu to Aizens arm and Aizen said it was the final stage of a zanpakuto. Then there was the whole becoming one with a zanpakuto and its powers thing that Ichigo did for the Saigo no getsuga tenshou and Isshin and Aizen might have done
nah.
+mvpxtomahawkzz There is no ''true'' level beyond Bankai to my understanding. Ichigo's case is unique and Aizen was using an artifact that basically made him a God. I really cannot see it TBH.
+clearspira well I suppose you could be right spice kubo has made a clear link between Ichigo and Aizen, if anyone else reaches a higher plane it could be different to Ichigo and Aizen's forms
+mvpxtomahawkzz Byakuya could of done it if he didn't die
+Byakuya Kuchiki lol byakuya ain't dead
Hitsugaya needed to master his bankai ... and when he was fighting that quincy .. i think his last petal disappeared ... and he then got injured ... but he mastered his bankai after his battle with aizen ...then kubo mentioned in an interview ... that he has mastered bankai ... and then ... this happens .