After following the advice of my GOAT for forty years who was a 5’7” guy, I found that I really like the added length and feel of a forward weighted cue by adding mid-cue extension. Very good video. I really find these types of videos really helpful.
Thanks for this very informative video, Chris. I just love the "nerdy" stuff about cues/pool. Shoot em straight, and stay safe. Greetings from Denmark.
Interesting.. Now I kind of understand why when people use my one stick I like to shoot with they always say it feels REALLY light. Even if I have put it on a scale and its around 16oz. Its a longer stick and even if the cue was hand made they did not drill out the butt for weight bolts so the cue is just natural weighted and balanced.. The balance point is closer to the wrap section and the more expensive cues I have are more forward and feel like they are leaning forward in my hand and im holding them up , Rather then the cue I like to shoot with best feels almost like its just laying in my hand without any effort at all. Also I struggled with over hitting many shots too hard and not doing softer shots as well with those more forward balanced cues.. I can just tap the ball and do very soft gentle shots or stroke the shot and power the ball around the table without any issues with the more back balanced cue.. This video was very informative and gives me ideas that I might try with my more expensive cue by moving the weight bolt further back... thanks ..
For those that don't have a wrap, I think 39 inches from the top of the ferule is 'considered' neutrally weighted (on a 58 inch cue, it would be different for other cue lengths).
@dangoldenberg704 this would depend greatly on the taper angle of the butt. For example, my cues are 60" and have a 0.200" taper angle. Others are different, so the "NEUTRAL " point would be different.
Good info...in my perso al experience..I have 5 cues and like to use all in diferent shoots...maybe what you said is the issue..difere t weight and balance point 🤔
Great video! The weight bolt cavity on the butt end does not go past the current balance point. So as it stands, I cannot change to a more forward balance. Should I bring it to a shop and have them drill and tap it far enough so I can add more forward weight? Or?
Had this discussion many times within my circle.. what does a real professional maker prefer? I sure am grateful for your explanation. You have answered my questions very intelligently. I believe beginner your immediate players prefer a balance point or back As they become more professional lovers, they’re going to prefer balance point forward What do you think?
I learn to play with house cue prefer 19oz I bought a cue low deflection and good brand but weight was in front and when I make the cue 17oz feels like I played with 19oz house cue.
Very insightful analysis. I have been playing with a cue that has a Player's butt and Predator 314 30" shaft. I'm rated APA 5. Last night I shot some random balls with my $40 22oz break cue and was surprised to discover that my stroke seemed steadier and more natural! My regular cue feels very butt-weighted, and I am realizing now how awkward my stroke feels due to this, like I have a long toothpick out in front of the butt. Is this an inherent problem with low-deflection shafts since they have low mass tips? How can I shop for a better (forward weighted) cue? Is there a published table of commercially available cues that lists their balance points?
There is a company named Black Blade carbon. They make carbon fiber shafts that are 10oz and butts that are super light so the cue is still 19oz but it must feel nutz with the weight reversed butt and shaft.
long shot question, but do you have any 31" butts and a 31" shaft as a whole pool cue for sale that you may have a bad blemish or maybe something happened while you were machining the cue? as long as its straight i would love to have it. something you would'nt sell to the public. lol. but still hits and sounds like it suppose to. cant afford custom cues but want one so bad, i'll take your reject if you have one laying around.
@curtisnstacey thank you for asking, unfortunately, I would never sell a blemish cue or even give one away. While YOU may like it everyone else only sees a sub par cue and I can not afford that.
@@CuemakersGuild I understand completely. If you ever do decide to get rid of one come back to this comment and I'll be ready. Heck, you can even write on the cue somewhere REJECT NOT FOR SALE!!! LOL LOL. at least I tried. Thanks for the quick response.
They used the extension to alter the balance point of there cue going back heavy. Because shane is tall and using a long bridge hand and holding it close to the butt sleeve, without using the extension the balance of the cue is way forward balance and it’s awkward to shoot
Great detail and info Chris! Definitely keep these videos coming.
I sure will, thank you very much!
After following the advice of my GOAT for forty years who was a 5’7” guy, I found that I really like the added length and feel of a forward weighted cue by adding mid-cue extension. Very good video. I really find these types of videos really helpful.
@@anthonykeller5120 thank you very much!
Thanks for this very informative video, Chris. I just love the "nerdy" stuff about cues/pool.
Shoot em straight, and stay safe. Greetings from Denmark.
Thank you for watching!
You just explained it in a better way. I had this talk with buddies with my steel jointed and 30” 4.2 oz shaft. Very forward weighted. Easier cue’ing
@@Teenagewasteland1000 thank you.
Great stuff 👏
@kentdawson2460 thank you.
Interesting.. Now I kind of understand why when people use my one stick I like to shoot with they always say it feels REALLY light. Even if I have put it on a scale and its around 16oz. Its a longer stick and even if the cue was hand made they did not drill out the butt for weight bolts so the cue is just natural weighted and balanced.. The balance point is closer to the wrap section and the more expensive cues I have are more forward and feel like they are leaning forward in my hand and im holding them up , Rather then the cue I like to shoot with best feels almost like its just laying in my hand without any effort at all. Also I struggled with over hitting many shots too hard and not doing softer shots as well with those more forward balanced cues.. I can just tap the ball and do very soft gentle shots or stroke the shot and power the ball around the table without any issues with the more back balanced cue.. This video was very informative and gives me ideas that I might try with my more expensive cue by moving the weight bolt further back... thanks ..
For those that don't have a wrap, I think 39 inches from the top of the ferule is 'considered' neutrally weighted (on a 58 inch cue, it would be different for other cue lengths).
@dangoldenberg704 this would depend greatly on the taper angle of the butt. For example, my cues are 60" and have a 0.200" taper angle. Others are different, so the "NEUTRAL " point would be different.
Thanks, Chris
@@MikeWilson-fb6qv-mesa you are more than welcome!
How do you know if you a rear weighted cue or front weighted cue?
Good info...in my perso al experience..I have 5 cues and like to use all in diferent shoots...maybe what you said is the issue..difere t weight and balance point 🤔
@@bikerrealengo this is very possible.
I would like to hear your thoughts on pivoting for English and the different methods.
@ricklava8850 I will be more than happy to create a video on that topic. Thank you for the suggestion.
Great video! The weight bolt cavity on the butt end does not go past the current balance point. So as it stands, I cannot change to a more forward balance. Should I bring it to a shop and have them drill and tap it far enough so I can add more forward weight? Or?
You can actually get the shaft weighted to allow for this.
Had this discussion many times within my circle.. what does a real professional maker prefer?
I sure am grateful for your explanation. You have answered my questions very intelligently.
I believe beginner your immediate players prefer a balance point or back
As they become more professional lovers, they’re going to prefer balance point forward
What do you think?
@Graderbrad I would tend to agree to a certain point, but would also suggest starting at the median point.
I learn to play with house cue prefer 19oz I bought a cue low deflection and good brand but weight was in front and when I make the cue 17oz feels like I played with 19oz house cue.
i love the topic discussions
@@richkaiser9453 thank you!
Shane Van Boening had his extension on his break cue during his 2023 8 ball championship run. explanation? video on that?
Very insightful analysis. I have been playing with a cue that has a Player's butt and Predator 314 30" shaft. I'm rated APA 5. Last night I shot some random balls with my $40 22oz break cue and was surprised to discover that my stroke seemed steadier and more natural! My regular cue feels very butt-weighted, and I am realizing now how awkward my stroke feels due to this, like I have a long toothpick out in front of the butt. Is this an inherent problem with low-deflection shafts since they have low mass tips? How can I shop for a better (forward weighted) cue? Is there a published table of commercially available cues that lists their balance points?
on a 30" butt 30" shaft 21 oz. cue overall, what do you consider forward weighted range? from butt cap??
Anytime the balance point is closer than about 2 inches to the "A" Joint, the cue is considered to be forward weighted.
There is a company named Black Blade carbon. They make carbon fiber shafts that are 10oz and butts that are super light so the cue is still 19oz but it must feel nutz with the weight reversed butt and shaft.
I miss more with a rear weighted cue and miss cue more.
How many inches from the butt constitutes a fwd vs rear weight?
@@jebfagan594 typically about 2 inches from to top of the wrap area.
long shot question, but do you have any 31" butts and a 31" shaft as a whole pool cue for sale that you may have a bad blemish or maybe something happened while you were machining the cue? as long as its straight i would love to have it. something you would'nt sell to the public. lol. but still hits and sounds like it suppose to. cant afford custom cues but want one so bad, i'll take your reject if you have one laying around.
@curtisnstacey thank you for asking, unfortunately, I would never sell a blemish cue or even give one away. While YOU may like it everyone else only sees a sub par cue and I can not afford that.
@@CuemakersGuild I understand completely. If you ever do decide to get rid of one come back to this comment and I'll be ready. Heck, you can even write on the cue somewhere REJECT NOT FOR SALE!!! LOL LOL. at least I tried. Thanks for the quick response.
As far as balance point is concerned, what are your thoughts on those who play with their cue extensions permanently attached (example SVB)?
They used the extension to alter the balance point of there cue going back heavy. Because shane is tall and using a long bridge hand and holding it close to the butt sleeve, without using the extension the balance of the cue is way forward balance and it’s awkward to shoot
Have you seen Variable Balance Point system?
Yes sir
I enjoyed your video, however, you never explained how to determine if your Cue is Forward Weighted or Rear Weighted???
@darrenwishard5412 simply balance the butt of the cue on your finger. The more forward the balance point, the more the weight is shifted forward.
@@CuemakersGuild So where exactly is the even balance point in inches from the but end of the cue.
@@bptraveler6608 about 2 inches down from the top of the wrap area.
@@CuemakersGuildThanks!!!
@@CuemakersGuild that's neutral?
So, how far in inches, from the butt of your cue, does your cue balance?
2 inches below the end of the wrap area.
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