Good thing i watched that video. I'm already happy with my oc but I'm always learning something new in your videos. This time why my system was unstable while idle, had bin trying so many suggested solutions already but this was the fix I've been searching for. Thank you! 23:12
Hey man! Can you share your timings and voltages? I'm currently attempting to get A-die to 6200@CL28 and having no success :( 6000@CL28 works fine though!
You can create a shortcut in the desktop and type "C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe /r /fw /f /t 0" in the location (no quotation marks). Computer will reboot straight to BIOS.
This sounds slightly better than the method I use, just copy/paste it from notepad to CMD prompt or powershell. It works great but think I'd prefer your suggestion. Thanks!
After 3 weeks of pain with my new 7950X3D build because of terrible standard memory timings and voltages from my Mobo, it's now running stable at 6200 Mhz thanks to this video. Thanks for the help. I suspect the culprit was VDDIO and VDDQ voltages, but those run really well at 1.25v. I even managed to get the main VDD voltage down to 1.35v and it's still running stable. You're the best! Next step is tuning the PBO curves. At -24 on all cores at the moment, and from there i think i will do per-core tuning.
Got this board and the ryzen 7600, with Corsair 6000C36 but couldn't get it to work with Expo until I went from latest bios 1.24 to 1.21. Thanks for the video
I got it to run 6400 with SOC 1.3V and IF 2067, but I'm not comfortable with SOC at 1.3V for daily use, so I'l try 6200 with higher IF clock Edit: It's a Samsung B-die memory
At time of writing BIOS version was 1.21. I also had problems with expo with bios 1.24, but newer version were fine. Try updating to the latest, I think it is 1.30.
I like this board. 1dpc, cheap, relatively good vrm-cooling. It will probably perform quite a bit better on next gens a few years from now when you can run memory at 8000+. Not sure if a lot if B650 2dpc can do that.
got the board, didnt like it because i need RGB LED connectors, got a B650M Pro RS for same price and it runs 4x16GB a-die at 6200C28 with 7700X, Asrock delivers.
@@UNDERGROUNDHITRADIO sounds good. Lack if rgb-header can be an issue for some, I build in a Lian Li case with rgb/fan-control-module so I had bo need fpr rgb-header :)
I think this board will outlive a lot of the 2dpc B650-boards if you upgrade to Zen 6+ when ram can run at 7-8000+. On Zen1 1dpc-boards after a lot of agesas proved superior on ram oc vs the usual t-top boards :)
The best setting I could do on my M-die that seems the be stable is 6000 28-38-36-64. Any further reduction to Cl, tRC and tRP makes it unstable / unbootable. Why tRAS 64? Well... I was trying to OC it while on the iGPU. At tRAS 30 I was getting video artifacts on idle. It would immediately go away as soon as I put any load on the CPU, but also would came back as soon as it got back to idle. Funny thing is it seems to be stable as long as its under load. Anyway I just followed a old tRAS starting recommendation Cl+tRP and the artifacts on idle disappeared. Didn't try pushing it down to see when the artifacts start appearing. I'm on a Ryzen 7 7700. I also couldn't make it stable at 6200. It runs for a while and suddenly start spiting a bunch of errors. I might try a little more another time but I don't have much hope left. 12:30 Yeah... I only get about ~63000 MB/s read and about 62 latency. Will probably get better results with a discrete GPU but I don't imagine it being that much better.
This is extremely dependable build. I use it for 6 months and I had absolutely zero problems. Heavily tested in any conditions: gaming, rendering and stresstesting: nothing. This one is unbeatable. MSI Carbon EDGE B650, 7600X, XPG DCCARGO 2x16 Hynix
Did you change your mind about what's the max reasonable VDD voltage? I'm running VDD=1.5V and VDDQ=1.4V to get CL28, 37, 37, 6200. I guess if I ever loose stability due memory degradation, I'll be sure to make a Reddit post.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclockingWhat does that mean exactly? Is the IMC going to degrade with higher VDD voltages? I'm currently running 1.5V VDD for 6400 CL28 and tight subtimings. The memory doesn't go over 47*C in HCI Memtest Pro at 25*C ambient temperature. I have a fan blowing directly on the memory sticks, hence the low temps at 1.5V VDD.
It's not CPU problem, I get 70 gbs read sustained in a HPC application that is 100% memory bandwidth dependant (sparse matrix CFD calculations) on 7950x3d with 64gb 6400 tuned Hynix A-die sticks, I guess it's just HCI memtest that needs updating, maybe it's balanced across read/writes but in real world apps it's like 10:1 or even more in favour of read.
Why is Linpack performance so low? It is lower than on my 10900k DDR4 4400 CL17 system (~640 GFlops). The Ryzen chip has more cores and higher IPC, of course, and DDR5 6000 has higher bandwidth. Is it the latency? Seems to me that top linpack performance hasn't moved in years.
Hmm the DRAM VDD setting is interesting. I've overclocked Kingston's ECC sticks to 6000 and am running VDD at 1.25V. I'm not getting any ECC errors from the DIMMs themselves, but now I'd sure like to know what the On-die ECC does.
Hi Buildzoid, thanks a lot for your advice on making our system work flawlesly :) . Please help me with one issue. I bought a dimm of 16GB of Kingston Fury 6000Mhz CL40 by mistake, noticed after 15 days and could not return. What do you recommend, sell it and buy a kit of 2x16GB CL30 or buy another 16 GB of the same model? I have the same MB and a 7600 Thanks in advance and keep up the good job
Just curious as i have this motherboard, so you did NOT choose XMP or EXPO first, you just plugged in the freqs and volts manually, correct? BTW thanks for spending a lot of time with this board, much appreciated.
Is 1.5v VDD “safe” daily if your temps are good? I assumed it was as long as you weren’t running Hot.. R7 7800X3D Currently running 6200MT/s CL28 38-32-30 / 2200FCLK / SK Hynix A-Die Asus ROG STRIX X670E-F VDD: 1.5v VVDQ/IO: 1.35v. VSOC: 1.25v 3DMARK TimeSpy CPU: 14541 PYPrime: 7.858 secs Scoring top 2-3% for 7800X3D’s but Aida64 Latency is 60.4 NS. My 7900X with same RAM / settings was at 55 NS… No errors MemTest86 / 2 hours Linpack / OCCT memory stability / many hours gaming (RTX 4090@ 450W+) 45c Max RAM temps. 80mm Noctua Fan cooling Ram. RAM idle is ~ 30c @ 1.5v VDD Total stable for the past 5 days or so. I just don’t understand how I’m not breaking 60ns in Aida64 with my settings.. Maybe it’s because I’m running Windows 11 Pro.
I tried this settings on my Acer Predator Vesta II 6000MHz CL 30-38-38-78 Hynix M die memory chips. The processor is AMD Ryzen 9800X3D. The Infinity fabric highest stable being 2177. The OC seems very stable but badly affecting the onboard graphics. The motherboard is Asrock X870E Nova Wifi. I am waiting for the new GPUs to come to the market. Even though the OC is stable the display flickers unusably. I isolated the issue to be onboard GPU by connecting the display to another laptop. This behavior is usual for onboard graphics? Can you revisit this timing with the latest X3D chips with an Asrock motherboard. I see most of your videos are based on Asus boards. It difficult to follow as the OC options are at different menus/sub menus.
If you can find out why the VDDIO + 0.1V > SOC 'rule' exists I would be very grateful. Nobody I've been able to ask who should know can give a concrete answer. The best I can come up with is it has something to do with the iGPU and VDDIO_APU voltage (which is often tied to VDDIO_MEM but can be changed on some boards). I have been suspecting a possible connection to at least some of the recent failures.
@@Kapono5150 which bios version does this Asrock board able to get 2 sticks running stable on 6000mhz My g.skills kit F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5 when adding both sticks it causing BSOD like a lot freezes , crashing & only showing 4800Mhz. I'm currently using only 1 stick ram running at 6000mhz with only x1 stick BIOS: 1.28 So which bios should i downgrade to get both sticks work @6000mhz
@DeeDee.Ranged which bios version does this Asrock board able to get 2 sticks running stable on 6000mhz My g.skills kit F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5 when adding both sticks it causing BSOD like a lot freezes , crashing & only showing 4800Mhz. I'm currently using only 1 stick ram running at 6000mhz with only x1 stick BIOS: 1.28 So which bios should i downgrade to get both sticks work @6000mhz
@@JJFX- Of course, but it is still sad that this is bottlenecking possible performance increase. I did hear that Zen 5 is being validated to much higher memory speeds (for server, I'm not certain about Desktop, but it's probable). Which would mean that either they managed to break that barrier with fclck or that Zen 5 will have different ratio than 3:2.
I got this board, FlareX 6000 M-die and a 7800X3D I'm building for a friend. Tried your settings and I get loads of errors in TM5. Lowering fclk to 2067 makes it work, but 6000/2167 seems to be a bit faster.
@Taraquin83 I find even relation between fclk and memclk gives me better latency. So 6200 and 2067. Despite having slightly lower throughput than higher fclk it gives me better latency than higher fclk. I mostly play cod which prefers latency over everything.
Considering the frequency limitations on Zen 4, I haven't seen any significant difference with 2 dimm boards. They can cause dimm temps to run a bit hotter. In XOC scenarios it's possible there's an advantage.
I overclocked a Hynix M-die (G.Skill Flare X5 2x16) to 5600MHz 28-36-36-28-64 at 1.3V VDD and 1.15V SOC at 2000 FCLK. Currently running Linpack on the RAM for around 4 hours. I'm happy settling with this, but if it's stable, I might try 1.25V VDD, though it probably won't work.
Need more cheap B650 boards to fk about and find out on. 2DPC, damn Post Code, a wee Clr_Cmos on the back, a clockgen, good VRM push 1 ccd hard or pbo a 2 ccd chip with maybe no chunk of aluminum / plastic /lighting needed, maybe another pcie x8, screw the RGB and the Wifi, skimp on the rest of rear panel, skimp on sata, rear USB whatever. I don't care if the board looks brown from the wrong angle.
i have this mobo and the DRAM Voltage Control setting is just not there, i even tried searching for it with F4. im on bios 1.28 does anyone know what to do? i have a 7800x3d if that matters
@@IamMxfia thanks for the reply, does it matter much? my pc has been running fine with the timings so far i could go to an older bios but idk if its worth it, first time doing memory tuning
@@macyyyyyyyyyyy which bios version does this Asrock board able to get 2 sticks running stable on 6000mhz My g.skills kit F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5 when adding both sticks it causing BSOD like a lot freezes , crashing & only showing 4800Mhz. I'm currently using only 1 stick ram running at 6000mhz with only x1 stick BIOS: 1.28 So which bios should i downgrade to get both sticks work @6000mhz
So if I don’t follow the VDDIO VDDQ SOC rule will my system be unstable? Let’s say my SOC is at 1.15v and I want my VDDIO to be at 1.2v. Will this cause problems? Will it damage my Ram kits?
not sure what im doing wrong , but i cannot get lower than 60 n/s lattency with even tighter timmings than in this video, could the fact you are using clean windows install be the reason? using x670e prime, 7950x, gskill 6400 cl32 2x16 @ 6200mhz 1-1 cl30-35-35-28-62 pyprime 9.971s
Ok this is strange, I just down clocked to 2000 fclk and 6000mhz and my Latency dropped by 2 to 58n/s the best I've ever seen on this system, pyprime 9.612s
Build myself a setup with 7800X3D, this board and 2x16 6000c30-38-38. I tried this guide, but latency is 63ns and read is 66k vs 6000 and slightly worse timings getting 59ns and 67k, weird.
i have gskill flare 6000 32-38-38-134 sticks, managed to get 6000 30-36-36-28, question is how to get cl 28 or other improvement? when i tried 6200 mhz north bridge dropped to 967 mhz fclk was 2000. Then i tried cl28 with vdd 1.35v up to 1,45v but always caught blue screen while OCCT test run. Can anyone help with this, i saw reviews where cl28 was not even a problem since it's m die Hunix MOBO x670 gigabyte f9c bios ryzen 7600x
fron what ive heard M die has slightly tighter secondaries however i think A die can get tighter primaries but this is practically luck based overall you're not gonna see a margin of error difference outside of benchmarks so go A die for future proof or just go cheaper
I bought same cpu, mobo and rams. But since built, it has random rebooting issue. İt happened once during idle. No idea what to do? Is it caused by 85C limit?
At these settings I keep getting fails in linpack at 6200 even though I'm passing tm5. Seems to be ok at 6000 with all the rest of these settings. Even if I am getting regression above 2000 IF. Can anyone tell me is anyway around this or am I stuck at 6000 and 2000 IF? If I am stuck at 6000/2000 what should I drop back a bit? Edit: Actually nevermind. Still hitting fails in linpack at 6000/2000. Need to find a ddr5 oc guide from scratch.
Bought one of the cheapest Kingston DDR5 expo set available, 2x8 Gb 5200MHz at 1.25V, now running stable at 1.35V 6000MHz + your recommended timings. On Asrock b650m pg. Good shit.
IME Asrock has been very good about setting what it's supposed to and at least my Taichi has been a surprisingly reliable board. I wouldn't be surprised if some versions had a voltage bug but I haven't been able to trigger one (except the DDR5 PMIC high voltage bugs that affect everyone).
@@JJFX- which bios version does this Asrock board able to get 2 sticks running stable on 6000mhz My g.skills kit F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5 when adding both sticks it causing BSOD like a lot freezes , crashing & only showing 4800Mhz. I'm currently using only 1 stick ram running at 6000mhz with only x1 stick BIOS: 1.28 So which bios should i downgrade to get both sticks work @6000mhz
I have the same motherboard, a 7700X CPU, and 6000c30(EXPO) memory, but unfortunately, my computer becomes very unstable when I enable EXPO (6000). I can only reduce it to 5600. Do you know a solution?
@@kevinmccrea1335 Same thing with me too I'm on bios v1.28 cuz im stuck on 4800Mhz on 2x16 32gb G.skills RAM Even after i set EXPO to 6000Mhz In tassk manager it still stuck showing me base speed 4800Mhz and many times giving me BSOD, random crashing. Until i have to remove 1 stick and only using 1 stick 16gb now its set to 6000mhz and no crashing or BSOD So how can i make this work for 2 sticks.
I'm noob to OC, but i set the BIOS at my Asrock B650 PG lightning to 'PBO with tjMax 75, curve optimizer -20mV'. I'm not sure if it was a good or bad thing, and i hope somebody could tell. So what i can observe, My CPU temp never exceeded 80 degree. Reaching 90 before with auto setting. When playing Ultimate Admiral Dreadnought with max setting. TLDR 10-15 degrees celcius lower than before. But i have no idea if it would affect system stability or performance. I gained a few fps actually but that game has quite erratic reading. So I'm not quite sure. My processor is Ryzen 7600, the one with the free fan. Using 2x12cm Noctua redux case fan. Now, i also question if the cooling system is adequate.
It would basically limit the max cpu temp to 75 and reduce performance to stay below that temparture, and also does undervolt of -20mv which helps getting more performance with less power but potentially can lead to instability If you are using stock cooler you should try the -40mv setting and see if it is stable, that way you would achieve higher sustained clocks without throttling = better fps I tried manually setting on my 7600 -50mv and it helped it clock higher and still be stable, tho I didn't test it enough
@@antant9102 -20mV is stable, as long as my eyes can tell like there's no error. But in depth like performance drop, idk. and I appreciate your input. Thanks.
@@antant9102 Hi which bios version cuz im stuck on 4800Mhz on 2x16 32gb G.skills RAM Even after i set EXPO to 6000Mhz In tassk manager it still stuck showing me base speed 4800Mhz and many times giving me BSOD, random crashing. Until i have to remove 1 stick and only using 1 stick 16gb now its set to 6000mhz and no crashing or BSOD So how can i make this work for 2 sticks. I'm on bios v1.28
I must be really lucky here. mine can do FCLK 2200 without changing any voltages. all voltages are on auto. can it make long term issues for having FCLK this high? my system spec is Asus rog strix b650e-f, 7700x, 2x16gig hynix a-die at 6200 cl34.
@@Muldeeer These are from hwinfo: CPU VDDCR_VDD Voltage : 1.215 CPU VDDCR_SOC Voltage : 1.102 CPU VDD_MISC Voltage : 1.090 CPU VDDIO / MC : 1.232 VDD (SWA) Voltage : 1.200 VDDQ (SWB) Voltage : 1.200 VPP (SWC) Voltage : 1.800 CPU VDDCR_SOC is undervolted.
Last week upgraded ny 5600x/asus b450/32GB 3200 to 7700/B650M PG Riptide/KingBank 6400 CL32 (Hynix M-Die), and with tweaks I have quite happy with the final results: BIOS Settings: Memory = 6400 @CL30/38/38/80 1.4V FCLK = 2133 UCLK=MEMCLK/2 (My system fails if I run 1:1 UCLK=MEMCLK) PBO: Advanced/Motherboard, Scaller 10X, Positive 200 CO: All core, Negative, -30 iGPU = Disabled BIOS Thermal Limit = 89C Cinebench R23 Multi/Single = ~19,200/~2000 (~44-46W/~114-116W) Idle = ~49-51C (Windows 11; room temp ~23C) Games ~92C Load (Cinebench R23) All core=5.1-5.2hz @89.4C Single Core = 5.49Ghz (59-60C) Thanks for this video. I will definitely try to use some of the knowledge to see what extra I can get from my system.
Well it seems my 7600 has a pretty bad mc cause it cant do 6200 cl30, my ram expo is 6000 cl32 1.35v and with BZ easy timings it works perfect, i tried 6000 cl30 @1.40 v and seems to be working fine (running stress test right now) but 6200 cl30 just fails instantly, i havent tried 6200 cl32 but that will be better than 6000 cl30?
Tried it, didn't work. CPU: 7900X3D, Mobo: Asus Strix X670E-A, RAM: 2x16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 6200MHz 36-39-39-76. Not sure if it's because of X3D, but I tried several different timings and the major determining factor seems to be that my chip just doesn't want to run at 6200.
AFIK, the 7900 has the worst binned dies (except for the 7600) and since the 7900X3D is the only X3D SKU with completely non-functional cores, its average silicon quality seems to be significantly worse than even the 7800X3D.
You need to downgrade your bios, and up your SoC, it definitely scales with FCLK. From my X670e Steel Legend/7900x; 6000 (xmp) 2133Mhz stable at 1.275set (1.295vrm) holds true to 6200Mts; at 6400Mts I had to up it to 1.325set(1.360vrm). Also you should probably review the mega-thread, "AMD DDR5 OC And 24/7 stability" on overclock net
I got mine at 5.25 GHz with PBO +200 and Curve Optimizer -25mv. With fix OC you will probably get 5.350-5.4GHz, but needed voltage may vary depending on concrete CPU example
1.250 V + 0.1 = 1.35 which is > 1.300 SoC, so you actually are within the recomendated VDDIO +0.1V > SoC, I dont see why your problem....
My problem is that VDDIO +0.1V > SoC is awkward to read. It would be much easier/faster to undestand for me if it was: VDDIO > SOC - 0.1
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking IDK, I had zero issues reading that
@John Smith Just like your on the social prick spectrum
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Easy to understand when standing on my head
So if SoC is 1.16 a vddio/mem should be 1.261+ right ?
Good thing i watched that video. I'm already happy with my oc but I'm always learning something new in your videos. This time why my system was unstable while idle, had bin trying so many suggested solutions already but this was the fix I've been searching for. Thank you! 23:12
thanks for the info BZ im running 4x16GB A-die on 6200C28-38 with 7700X thanks to information i got from your videos.
Hey man! Can you share your timings and voltages? I'm currently attempting to get A-die to 6200@CL28 and having no success :(
6000@CL28 works fine though!
You can create a shortcut in the desktop and type "C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe /r /fw /f /t 0" in the location (no quotation marks). Computer will reboot straight to BIOS.
Watching ThioJoe as well I see
@@od1sseas663 I came across it in a Reddit post, not sure whether it was from his channel or not
This sounds slightly better than the method I use, just copy/paste it from notepad to CMD prompt or powershell. It works great but think I'd prefer your suggestion. Thanks!
After 3 weeks of pain with my new 7950X3D build because of terrible standard memory timings and voltages from my Mobo, it's now running stable at 6200 Mhz thanks to this video. Thanks for the help. I suspect the culprit was VDDIO and VDDQ voltages, but those run really well at 1.25v. I even managed to get the main VDD voltage down to 1.35v and it's still running stable. You're the best!
Next step is tuning the PBO curves. At -24 on all cores at the moment, and from there i think i will do per-core tuning.
Can you give me your settings now?
@@just_OsaMa23 It's not use giving you my settings, because what works for me might not work for you.
@Athinira bro I'm not stupid I know but I just want to compare voltages and timings
Thanks Buildzoid!
FINALLY someone recognizes the potential of this board
hwunboxed made a video on this board 1 month ago
@DeeDee Ranged that got trashed, this didn't
@deedeeranged6367 no they actually have a video on the b650 hdv
2 DIMM slots instead of 4 is kind of a let down for an matx board.
@@username8644 actually that’s a huge benefit for ddr5, getting high clock speeds with 4 dimms is a pain.
Got this board and the ryzen 7600, with Corsair 6000C36 but couldn't get it to work with Expo until I went from latest bios 1.24 to 1.21. Thanks for the video
I got it to run 6400 with SOC 1.3V and IF 2067, but I'm not comfortable with SOC at 1.3V for daily use, so I'l try 6200 with higher IF clock
Edit: It's a Samsung B-die memory
Thanks to video about samsung B-die memory OC got it to work at 6200 30-33-30-74 with 2100 IF
At time of writing BIOS version was 1.21. I also had problems with expo with bios 1.24, but newer version were fine. Try updating to the latest, I think it is 1.30.
I like this board. 1dpc, cheap, relatively good vrm-cooling. It will probably perform quite a bit better on next gens a few years from now when you can run memory at 8000+. Not sure if a lot if B650 2dpc can do that.
Amazing value, ordered the board last week for 144 euro shipped.
8-layer pcb too
got the board, didnt like it because i need RGB LED connectors, got a B650M Pro RS for same price and it runs 4x16GB a-die at 6200C28 with 7700X, Asrock delivers.
@@UNDERGROUNDHITRADIO sounds good. Lack if rgb-header can be an issue for some, I build in a Lian Li case with rgb/fan-control-module so I had bo need fpr rgb-header :)
@@hector6264 I would not believe it's an 8 layer PCB unless you have a source for that...
1DPC, this could be the alternative board for memory oc other than asus x670e gene. Also it won’t blow up your cpu.
ok keyboard engineer.
@@ians_big_fat_cock5913don’t need to be when other people validate issues and publish the data publicly
I think this board will outlive a lot of the 2dpc B650-boards if you upgrade to Zen 6+ when ram can run at 7-8000+. On Zen1 1dpc-boards after a lot of agesas proved superior on ram oc vs the usual t-top boards :)
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The best setting I could do on my M-die that seems the be stable is 6000 28-38-36-64. Any further reduction to Cl, tRC and tRP makes it unstable / unbootable.
Why tRAS 64?
Well... I was trying to OC it while on the iGPU. At tRAS 30 I was getting video artifacts on idle.
It would immediately go away as soon as I put any load on the CPU, but also would came back as soon as it got back to idle. Funny thing is it seems to be stable as long as its under load.
Anyway I just followed a old tRAS starting recommendation Cl+tRP and the artifacts on idle disappeared. Didn't try pushing it down to see when the artifacts start appearing.
I'm on a Ryzen 7 7700. I also couldn't make it stable at 6200. It runs for a while and suddenly start spiting a bunch of errors. I might try a little more another time but I don't have much hope left.
12:30 Yeah... I only get about ~63000 MB/s read and about 62 latency. Will probably get better results with a discrete GPU but I don't imagine it being that much better.
Do you have an easy way to overclock the same kit from 6000 CL36 to 6000 CL30? That's all I need
Not happening
This is extremely dependable build. I use it for 6 months and I had absolutely zero problems. Heavily tested in any conditions: gaming, rendering and stresstesting: nothing. This one is unbeatable. MSI Carbon EDGE B650, 7600X, XPG DCCARGO 2x16 Hynix
So I just learned that DDR5 comes in 24gb and 48gb dimms and I think it would be cool to see you look into those.
Their was also a very recent bios update for this board to support those capacities which really opens its options.
@@asterisk4424 Tried a 48gb 7000 and a 6400 kit both with micron chips. Pretty awful latency compared to 32gb/64gb.
isnt main problem running high mhz ram comes from cpu limited and silicon lottery not from motherboard?
Buildzoid is literally far ahead of us showing this oc, the guy is in 2024 already
Turns out the new agesa made it just a standard 2023 😂🎉
Did you change your mind about what's the max reasonable VDD voltage? I'm running VDD=1.5V and VDDQ=1.4V to get CL28, 37, 37, 6200.
I guess if I ever loose stability due memory degradation, I'll be sure to make a Reddit post.
AMD's memory controller can get kinda weird about high memory voltages and going from 1.4 to 1.6 won't drastically improve performance.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclockingWhat does that mean exactly? Is the IMC going to degrade with higher VDD voltages? I'm currently running 1.5V VDD for 6400 CL28 and tight subtimings. The memory doesn't go over 47*C in HCI Memtest Pro at 25*C ambient temperature. I have a fan blowing directly on the memory sticks, hence the low temps at 1.5V VDD.
On my Asus motherboard, in the UMC section of CBS, there are the limits of many settings in hexadecimal. In particular, the 30 TRAS limit is there.
We need the same kind of video for 7800X3D :P Can it push to 6200 i wonder?
I am very curious how this board clocks memory with the new AM5 AGESA.
It's not CPU problem, I get 70 gbs read sustained in a HPC application that is 100% memory bandwidth dependant (sparse matrix CFD calculations) on 7950x3d with 64gb 6400 tuned Hynix A-die sticks, I guess it's just HCI memtest that needs updating, maybe it's balanced across read/writes but in real world apps it's like 10:1 or even more in favour of read.
Why is Linpack performance so low? It is lower than on my 10900k DDR4 4400 CL17 system (~640 GFlops). The Ryzen chip has more cores and higher IPC, of course, and DDR5 6000 has higher bandwidth. Is it the latency?
Seems to me that top linpack performance hasn't moved in years.
Hmm the DRAM VDD setting is interesting. I've overclocked Kingston's ECC sticks to 6000 and am running VDD at 1.25V. I'm not getting any ECC errors from the DIMMs themselves, but now I'd sure like to know what the On-die ECC does.
How do you run linpack indefinitely and at 35000? Mine only have options for up to 4 times and 2 or 4gb
Trp+tras=trc how important is that rule ? I have trc 66 but 48 or lower is stable ... What do u think about ?
if you set tRAS or tRC too low they should just get ignored by the IMC.
thanks brother
Hi Buildzoid, thanks a lot for your advice on making our system work flawlesly :) . Please help me with one issue. I bought a dimm of 16GB of Kingston Fury 6000Mhz CL40 by mistake, noticed after 15 days and could not return. What do you recommend, sell it and buy a kit of 2x16GB CL30 or buy another 16 GB of the same model? I have the same MB and a 7600 Thanks in advance and keep up the good job
Just curious as i have this motherboard, so you did NOT choose XMP or EXPO first, you just plugged in the freqs and volts manually, correct? BTW thanks for spending a lot of time with this board, much appreciated.
Oh nice, was wondering if you’d work with this board.
Is 1.5v VDD “safe” daily if your temps are good? I assumed it was as long as you weren’t running Hot..
R7 7800X3D
Currently running 6200MT/s CL28 38-32-30 / 2200FCLK / SK Hynix A-Die
Asus ROG STRIX X670E-F
VDD: 1.5v VVDQ/IO: 1.35v. VSOC: 1.25v
3DMARK TimeSpy CPU: 14541
PYPrime: 7.858 secs
Scoring top 2-3% for 7800X3D’s but Aida64 Latency is 60.4 NS.
My 7900X with same RAM / settings was at 55 NS…
No errors MemTest86 / 2 hours Linpack / OCCT memory stability / many hours gaming (RTX 4090@ 450W+) 45c Max RAM temps. 80mm Noctua Fan cooling Ram.
RAM idle is ~ 30c @ 1.5v VDD
Total stable for the past 5 days or so. I just don’t understand how I’m not breaking 60ns in Aida64 with my settings..
Maybe it’s because I’m running Windows 11 Pro.
❤
I tried this settings on my Acer Predator Vesta II 6000MHz CL 30-38-38-78 Hynix M die memory chips. The processor is AMD Ryzen 9800X3D. The Infinity fabric highest stable being 2177. The OC seems very stable but badly affecting the onboard graphics. The motherboard is Asrock X870E Nova Wifi. I am waiting for the new GPUs to come to the market. Even though the OC is stable the display flickers unusably. I isolated the issue to be onboard GPU by connecting the display to another laptop. This behavior is usual for onboard graphics? Can you revisit this timing with the latest X3D chips with an Asrock motherboard. I see most of your videos are based on Asus boards. It difficult to follow as the OC options are at different menus/sub menus.
If you can find out why the VDDIO + 0.1V > SOC 'rule' exists I would be very grateful. Nobody I've been able to ask who should know can give a concrete answer. The best I can come up with is it has something to do with the iGPU and VDDIO_APU voltage (which is often tied to VDDIO_MEM but can be changed on some boards). I have been suspecting a possible connection to at least some of the recent failures.
Whoa, he finally got some Expo ram ??? Awe man
not that it actually makes any difference when overclocking.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking So I’m just now able to run Expo 2 Profile as it’s stable, and now your saying Expo timings really didn’t help. Thanks
@@Kapono5150 which bios version does this Asrock board able to get 2 sticks running stable on 6000mhz
My g.skills kit F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5 when adding both sticks it causing BSOD like a lot freezes , crashing & only showing 4800Mhz.
I'm currently using only 1 stick ram running at 6000mhz with only x1 stick
BIOS: 1.28
So which bios should i downgrade to get both sticks work @6000mhz
@DeeDee.Ranged which bios version does this Asrock board able to get 2 sticks running stable on 6000mhz
My g.skills kit F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5 when adding both sticks it causing BSOD like a lot freezes , crashing & only showing 4800Mhz.
I'm currently using only 1 stick ram running at 6000mhz with only x1 stick
BIOS: 1.28
So which bios should i downgrade to get both sticks work @6000mhz
Do you reckon you'll get a chance to have a gander at any 48gb kits?
Is this coming from the future? 11/02/2024.
Like, count the amount of times he says like, like!
i can copy any timing here except trfc1 and it doesnt go below 472 even at 1.5v what should i do.
Mdie doesnt really go much below ~160ns, ADie can do a bit lower
hey bzoid, can u give any insight on what tPHYRDL do? i noticed that everytime tPHYRDL doesnt match its signaling that OC is unstable
37:16 based bz
Impressive from ASRock for a ~€155 Board.
Sad that Infinity clock buffering, but I guess it was needed, if they couldn't get it much above 2 GHz.
Well combined with the higher clock speeds, stable Zen 4 configs can still beat typical Zen 3 in memory latency.
@@JJFX- Of course, but it is still sad that this is bottlenecking possible performance increase. I did hear that Zen 5 is being validated to much higher memory speeds (for server, I'm not certain about Desktop, but it's probable). Which would mean that either they managed to break that barrier with fclck or that Zen 5 will have different ratio than 3:2.
I got this board, FlareX 6000 M-die and a 7800X3D I'm building for a friend. Tried your settings and I get loads of errors in TM5. Lowering fclk to 2067 makes it work, but 6000/2167 seems to be a bit faster.
So you were able to get 2167 fclk at 6000 but not 2100 at 6200? Very odd.
@@MrDutch1e dunno why, seems I cant get both good fclk and ram speed at thecsame time...
@Taraquin83 I find even relation between fclk and memclk gives me better latency. So 6200 and 2067. Despite having slightly lower throughput than higher fclk it gives me better latency than higher fclk. I mostly play cod which prefers latency over everything.
Is this board notably better it being a 2-dimmer? Curious to see what Ryzen 8000 will be capable to achieve on it.
Considering the frequency limitations on Zen 4, I haven't seen any significant difference with 2 dimm boards. They can cause dimm temps to run a bit hotter. In XOC scenarios it's possible there's an advantage.
With Zen4 u are bottlenecked anyway. Might be more useful for further generations such as zen 5 or 6
@@JJFX-Hmm yeah with just two dimm slots your RAM will be closer together so it's logical why it's hotter. Less air gap to radiate heat.
Hey, please help me. Why you have normal aida64 Read speed? In my case i have 64k Read, 95k Write, 65k Copy, 62 Latency. Infinity Fabric run at 2033
I overclocked a Hynix M-die (G.Skill Flare X5 2x16) to 5600MHz 28-36-36-28-64 at 1.3V VDD and 1.15V SOC at 2000 FCLK.
Currently running Linpack on the RAM for around 4 hours. I'm happy settling with this, but if it's stable, I might try 1.25V VDD, though it probably won't work.
Need more cheap B650 boards to fk about and find out on. 2DPC, damn Post Code, a wee Clr_Cmos on the back, a clockgen, good VRM push 1 ccd hard or pbo a 2 ccd chip with maybe no chunk of aluminum / plastic /lighting needed, maybe another pcie x8, screw the RGB and the Wifi, skimp on the rest of rear panel, skimp on sata, rear USB whatever. I don't care if the board looks brown from the wrong angle.
btw. glad that we have all that vddio, vddq and soc voltages. but mobo manufacturers don't explain them why soever...
i have this mobo and the DRAM Voltage Control setting is just not there, i even tried searching for it with F4.
im on bios 1.28
does anyone know what to do?
i have a 7800x3d if that matters
Newer bios version, got an ASRock board too. Probably got rid of that setting
@@IamMxfia thanks for the reply, does it matter much? my pc has been running fine with the timings so far
i could go to an older bios but idk if its worth it, first time doing memory tuning
@@macyyyyyyyyyyy which bios version does this Asrock board able to get 2 sticks running stable on 6000mhz
My g.skills kit F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5 when adding both sticks it causing BSOD like a lot freezes , crashing & only showing 4800Mhz.
I'm currently using only 1 stick ram running at 6000mhz with only x1 stick
BIOS: 1.28
So which bios should i downgrade to get both sticks work @6000mhz
@@officialyashvirgaming Is your issue resolved now?
So if I don’t follow the VDDIO VDDQ SOC rule will my system be unstable? Let’s say my SOC is at 1.15v and I want my VDDIO to be at 1.2v. Will this cause problems? Will it damage my Ram kits?
Thanks
not sure what im doing wrong , but i cannot get lower than 60 n/s lattency with even tighter timmings than in this video, could the fact you are using clean windows install be the reason? using x670e prime, 7950x, gskill 6400 cl32 2x16 @ 6200mhz 1-1 cl30-35-35-28-62 pyprime 9.971s
what FCLK and are you in 1:1 mode?
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking hi, running FCLK @2100 UCLK=MEMCLK 6200mhz
Ok this is strange, I just down clocked to 2000 fclk and 6000mhz and my
Latency dropped by 2 to 58n/s the best I've ever seen on this system, pyprime 9.612s
@@rompersrchelichannel8164 he literally explain that in the video.. error correcting
Are you on windows 11? I get much better memory read, copy and latency on win10 compare to win11.
15:00 for the love of all that is holy, make a shortcut with the restart command to reboot directly into bios. This is becoming ridiculous.
Build myself a setup with 7800X3D, this board and 2x16 6000c30-38-38. I tried this guide, but latency is 63ns and read is 66k vs 6000 and slightly worse timings getting 59ns and 67k, weird.
Would these same steps work to overclock this motherboard with 6000mhz dram?
i have gskill flare 6000 32-38-38-134 sticks, managed to get 6000 30-36-36-28, question is how to get cl 28 or other improvement? when i tried 6200 mhz north bridge dropped to 967 mhz fclk was 2000. Then i tried cl28 with vdd 1.35v up to 1,45v but always caught blue screen while OCCT test run. Can anyone help with this, i saw reviews where cl28 was not even a problem since it's m die Hunix MOBO x670 gigabyte f9c bios ryzen 7600x
Hi my Master, good day!
Should these timings work on ryzen 7800x3d?
I can confirm these work with the 7800X3D
A die or M die better for tighter timings?
fron what ive heard
M die has slightly tighter secondaries
however i think A die can get tighter primaries but this is practically luck based
overall you're not gonna see a margin of error difference outside of benchmarks so go A die for future proof or just go cheaper
I bought same cpu, mobo and rams. But since built, it has random rebooting issue. İt happened once during idle. No idea what to do? Is it caused by 85C limit?
unstable ram
@@tea1234o i have changed my mobo to asus tuf x670e . And rebooting issue resolved. İ guess it was about mobo
At these settings I keep getting fails in linpack at 6200 even though I'm passing tm5. Seems to be ok at 6000 with all the rest of these settings. Even if I am getting regression above 2000 IF. Can anyone tell me is anyway around this or am I stuck at 6000 and 2000 IF?
If I am stuck at 6000/2000 what should I drop back a bit?
Edit: Actually nevermind. Still hitting fails in linpack at 6000/2000. Need to find a ddr5 oc guide from scratch.
NUMA node issues. Spicy
Good thing you copy/paste your timings BZ and not someone elses, otherwise if something goes awry you will know how to deal with it!
The idea is decrease de vddq and vddio ? Actually mine is 1.4v
You could put a shortcut on your desktop for booting into the UEFI, you know...
Bought one of the cheapest Kingston DDR5 expo set available, 2x8 Gb 5200MHz at 1.25V, now running stable at 1.35V 6000MHz + your recommended timings. On Asrock b650m pg. Good shit.
b650m pg riptide?
Best timing for gskill 6000 cl30 38 38 96 kit m-die ?
Wait how tf have you got 166k subs now? I remember it being 16k oO
Sun 02/11/2024 for those who know.
he got ddr5 to work lol
Does the VSOC stay at the 1.3V and not wander off to 1.35V like ASUS and Gigabyte?
IME Asrock has been very good about setting what it's supposed to and at least my Taichi has been a surprisingly reliable board. I wouldn't be surprised if some versions had a voltage bug but I haven't been able to trigger one (except the DDR5 PMIC high voltage bugs that affect everyone).
@@JJFX- which bios version does this Asrock board able to get 2 sticks running stable on 6000mhz
My g.skills kit F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5 when adding both sticks it causing BSOD like a lot freezes , crashing & only showing 4800Mhz.
I'm currently using only 1 stick ram running at 6000mhz with only x1 stick
BIOS: 1.28
So which bios should i downgrade to get both sticks work @6000mhz
I have the same motherboard, a 7700X CPU, and 6000c30(EXPO) memory, but unfortunately, my computer becomes very unstable when I enable EXPO (6000). I can only reduce it to 5600. Do you know a solution?
bios version?
@@kevinmccrea1335 Same thing with me too
I'm on bios v1.28
cuz im stuck on 4800Mhz on 2x16 32gb G.skills RAM
Even after i set EXPO to 6000Mhz
In tassk manager it still stuck showing me base speed 4800Mhz and many times giving me BSOD, random crashing.
Until i have to remove 1 stick and only using 1 stick 16gb now its set to 6000mhz and no crashing or BSOD
So how can i make this work for 2 sticks.
Stress test your ram
Rise your frequency step by step until your stress Tests Crash
Start at 4800 and go fast upwards then down if it's crashing
I'm noob to OC, but i set the BIOS at my Asrock B650 PG lightning to 'PBO with tjMax 75, curve optimizer -20mV'. I'm not sure if it was a good or bad thing, and i hope somebody could tell.
So what i can observe,
My CPU temp never exceeded 80 degree. Reaching 90 before with auto setting. When playing Ultimate Admiral Dreadnought with max setting.
TLDR 10-15 degrees celcius lower than before. But i have no idea if it would affect system stability or performance. I gained a few fps actually but that game has quite erratic reading. So I'm not quite sure.
My processor is Ryzen 7600, the one with the free fan. Using 2x12cm Noctua redux case fan. Now, i also question if the cooling system is adequate.
It would basically limit the max cpu temp to 75 and reduce performance to stay below that temparture, and also does undervolt of -20mv which helps getting more performance with less power but potentially can lead to instability
If you are using stock cooler you should try the -40mv setting and see if it is stable, that way you would achieve higher sustained clocks without throttling = better fps
I tried manually setting on my 7600 -50mv and it helped it clock higher and still be stable, tho I didn't test it enough
@@antant9102 -20mV is stable, as long as my eyes can tell like there's no error. But in depth like performance drop, idk. and I appreciate your input. Thanks.
@@edhikurniawan you should try -30 or -40 aswell, it would make a significant difference if it is stable.
@@antant9102 Ok, thanks.
@@antant9102 Hi which bios version
cuz im stuck on 4800Mhz on 2x16 32gb G.skills RAM
Even after i set EXPO to 6000Mhz
In tassk manager it still stuck showing me base speed 4800Mhz and many times giving me BSOD, random crashing.
Until i have to remove 1 stick and only using 1 stick 16gb now its set to 6000mhz and no crashing or BSOD
So how can i make this work for 2 sticks. I'm on bios v1.28
I must be really lucky here. mine can do FCLK 2200 without changing any voltages. all voltages are on auto. can it make long term issues for having FCLK this high? my system spec is Asus rog strix b650e-f, 7700x, 2x16gig hynix a-die at 6200 cl34.
damn that's a crazy chip
Check your voltages and report back. Zentimings or HWinfo.
@@Muldeeer These are from hwinfo:
CPU VDDCR_VDD Voltage : 1.215
CPU VDDCR_SOC Voltage : 1.102
CPU VDD_MISC Voltage : 1.090
CPU VDDIO / MC : 1.232
VDD (SWA) Voltage : 1.200
VDDQ (SWB) Voltage : 1.200
VPP (SWC) Voltage : 1.800
CPU VDDCR_SOC is undervolted.
Last week upgraded ny 5600x/asus b450/32GB 3200 to 7700/B650M PG Riptide/KingBank 6400 CL32 (Hynix M-Die), and with tweaks I have quite happy with the final results:
BIOS Settings:
Memory = 6400 @CL30/38/38/80 1.4V
FCLK = 2133
UCLK=MEMCLK/2 (My system fails if I run 1:1 UCLK=MEMCLK)
PBO: Advanced/Motherboard, Scaller 10X, Positive 200
CO: All core, Negative, -30
iGPU = Disabled
BIOS Thermal Limit = 89C
Cinebench R23 Multi/Single = ~19,200/~2000 (~44-46W/~114-116W)
Idle = ~49-51C (Windows 11; room temp ~23C)
Games ~92C
Load (Cinebench R23)
All core=5.1-5.2hz @89.4C
Single Core = 5.49Ghz (59-60C)
Thanks for this video. I will definitely try to use some of the knowledge to see what extra I can get from my system.
ditch 1:2
@@brzroman What do you mean. My system doesn't boot if put 1:1 ratio for memclock/uclk.
@@VicharB if your mem kit is rated as 6400 it doesn't mean you had to sacrifice performance by forcing 6400 1:2. try 6200 or 6000
Well it seems my 7600 has a pretty bad mc cause it cant do 6200 cl30, my ram expo is 6000 cl32 1.35v and with BZ easy timings it works perfect, i tried 6000 cl30 @1.40 v and seems to be working fine (running stress test right now) but 6200 cl30 just fails instantly, i havent tried 6200 cl32 but that will be better than 6000 cl30?
No
is Intel oder AMD better this generation?
Safe for daily oc?
every video you make is a manual
How much you can push memory voltage ? On my board max is 1.43V
thats more on the ram and not the board
@@tea1234o weird. Mine a dies can only 1.43V ?
@@tomaszmaka9732 i mean like the pimc, mine im pretty sure is renesas and i cant go above 1.43 either, also some richtek also cant from what i know
@@tomaszmaka9732 actually im not even sure anymore, just looked at some pther ppl with asrock and theyre also softlocked at 1.43, its the bios i think
@@tea1234o On my b650e-f it's soft locked to 1.43 but it does have a high voltage mode option pushing it beyond
this mother overclock 7500f?
i cant find how to enable xmp on this mobo, anyone mind explaining?
Some mobos dont have XMP option (e.g TUF X670E, X670 Aorus Elite), some have both A-XMP and EXPO (e.g X670E Carbon, ROG X670E).
Does this motherboard support 2x32GB RAM?
@@asgkasgasi4634 6000mhz? Thanks for reply.
@@asgkasgasi4634 Yep. I now. Thanks =)
@@asgkasgasi4634 Really i thought its max capacity storage was 32gb thats what on Amazon page it shows
how is the 5950x at dividing the bandwidth in-between the cores? same issues will some of the cores drop bandwidth?
Tried it, didn't work. CPU: 7900X3D, Mobo: Asus Strix X670E-A, RAM: 2x16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 6200MHz 36-39-39-76. Not sure if it's because of X3D, but I tried several different timings and the major determining factor seems to be that my chip just doesn't want to run at 6200.
AFIK, the 7900 has the worst binned dies (except for the 7600) and since the 7900X3D is the only X3D SKU with completely non-functional cores, its average silicon quality seems to be significantly worse than even the 7800X3D.
@@mortlet5180 I guess it makes sense when you consider that the 7900 series is just the 7950 with deactivated cores that probably didn't make the cut.
Next kit micron?
Wonder how latest Samsungs deal with DDR5.
Can VPP voltage be set to less than 1.8V safely?
After burning CPUs he put distance to ASUS boards
everybody should, and it's not the first issue they have, i'm not considering buying asus ever.
@@Splarkszter Should stay away from AMD too then by that logic since they have also had issues for several generations in a row now.
AMD is the only option, Intel has a dead platform and stability issues. No way I buy that @@username8644
@@username8644😂😂😂 yeah, AMD issues... sure
You need to downgrade your bios, and up your SoC, it definitely scales with FCLK. From my X670e Steel Legend/7900x; 6000 (xmp) 2133Mhz stable at 1.275set (1.295vrm) holds true to 6200Mts; at 6400Mts I had to up it to 1.325set(1.360vrm). Also you should probably review the mega-thread, "AMD DDR5 OC And 24/7 stability" on overclock net
I tried 1.375V SOC with this CPU at 2133 and it was still failing Linpack.
Ah, bad luck then. Cheers
RRDWR can be fine 14 on M die
I can run 6600 with 7800x3d.
No you don’t 😂
@@EverydayElectronics23 Yes i can.
honestly i don't like the video, but i vote it up hoping for more simple, short guide like content for am5
You're on the wrong channel for that mate
this mother overclock 7500f?
I got mine at 5.25 GHz with PBO +200 and Curve Optimizer -25mv. With fix OC you will probably get 5.350-5.4GHz, but needed voltage may vary depending on concrete CPU example
@@aralsea_ can you please share the settings in bios?