I dunno who the caller was but they're such a good example of the crazy biases you gotta pushback against online if someone is simply perceived as being on the "right side" they seemed prepared to believe anything keffels even hinted at while destiny needed exact sourced quotes to even get a kind of concession that she's done anything wrong
It's the typical fanatic posing as an even keeled moderate. They come off as agreeable and someone just trying to learn the facts/other side of the story. But in reality they are completely entrenched in their positions and have no intention of reconsidering. Their main strategy is to concede points as being true, but downplay it as something that doesn't change the overall argument.
@@rayquaza1245 I’m confused that you got that from this. Sounds extremely defensive. I’ve heard this caller before, he’s a regular in Dgg. Sometimes people don’t watch every single stream and genuinely don’t know what’s happening. Getting clarification On this is better then just believing either of these two without criticism
How the fuck did you get that from this? If someone is trying to get clarification on his actions, that doesn’t make them some evil Kefals mob member, come on dude.
He talked to Chaeiry about this before coming to Steven. He was kiting hard as fuck for her and mischaracterized everything about Steven and even said he was jealous of Hasan. Too bad Chaeiry's a loremaster.
The context provided (like showing the tweets they're talking about) is insanely good. I always thought this channel was run by someone else than the main one, but I have to ask... August, is that you?
You mean big relative to something right ? Or relative to the acceleration/growth rate of something right ? Like he doesn’t say the Eiffel Tower is exponential, he says that X is exponentially bigger than Y or something… Right ? Otherwise it’s the strangest misuse of the word exponential I ever heard ^^’ Like it’s normal to use it to mean “big” in some contexts but… Not all XD
"I have no position" obviously you do. The amount of good faith given to keffals was astounding. Bro was really about to defend keffals going after an innocent party because it happened to her. Also was willing to say yeah destiny you contributed but was hesitant when it came to keffals trying to get a server building attacked.
27:30 in case anyone can’t get what he’s driving at here, he’s basically thinking 1. Well it’s ok that she stole it cause her fans don’t care, they’re all ok with it (never mind that she completely lied about the original incident and then claimed the money would be used for something else entirely, but hey if her fans are ok with it then I guess it’s fine) and 2. Since destiny himself didn’t donate, he isn’t at liberty to say she stole the money, meaning only someone that donated can make that claim. Now I am somewhat sympathetic to both of these arguments in general, but damn, we’re going out of our way to make this person into the good guy.
"2. Since destiny himself didn’t donate, he isn’t at liberty to say she stole the money, meaning only someone that donated can make that claim." Translation: If you don't personally get fleeced by a grift, you're not allowed to criticize the grift.
You shouldn't really even be sympathetic to the arguments, since he's literally defending a textbook scam. It's the classic "hey, can I please just have $5 for gas, my car died and my wife is pregnant and I'm also pregnant and our phones died and the phones are pregnant and $5 would just help us out a lot" gas station scam but magnified by the scale of a large streaming platform and international media attention. Whether or not a specific individual feels bad about being scammed is irrelevant to the scam itself being "bad behavior."
I hate to say it, and you guys probably disagree, but it was a straight loss to post the link. Even if it was a small back-alley corner of the community, he is aware of how it can be (is) used against him. Sure, maybe he knows better than anyone that there is no getting out of it clean with people like her, but this is simply free ammunition. At most, I can give that you could hint to it and make clear of the fact that it isn't anything to do with you. Going any further by posting the link does nothing more to benefit you. Although, him admitting this probably wouldn't do anything to help him either.
The link is inconsequential. I've been following people like Keffals for years; even if Destiny hadn't posted the link, Keffals would have either just found some other way to link the two communities; or in the event that there is no connection to make, they'll either create one themselves or just straight up lie about one existing. The people attacking KF were already compromising inactive accounts with weak security to post threats, there's no reason to assume they wouldn't do the same thing except they attach "destiny fan btw" to the post in some way to get what they want.
Kind of, but there are still checks. You can't cite a publication that you yourself wrote, for instance. That's why there was a huge back and forth in the talk section of the page because the editors noted the conflict of interest. The tweet quoted in the article is attributed to the person who cited the article
i really dont understand how people can still be confused as to why people hate keffals unless theyre lying. i can understand not giving a fuck about the kiwifarms or being misinformed about what happens there, but how is it possible to not put 2 and 2 together when this person is claiming that they fear for their life but won't stop livestreaming despite being gifted 100k?
Well, there are people like me, who is literally watching this video because I’m trying to figure out what is going on with this person. I only know Keffals hates Kiwi farms and most people seem to find her irritating. I’m looking for a video that can summarize her situation in 30 minutes or less.
I'm in the same boat, literally only heard of Keffals through the recent swatting drama and have been slowly getting filled in on the historical context by people more in the loop and videos like this. It's probably not even worth the work of catching up at this point but it's certainly not helped by how vague a lot of the condemnation seems to be, it's like everyone just expects us to already know who every figure is on the internet and everything they've done until now. I get that it can be boring (or even annoying) to go back through everything every time a name comes back up, but quick summaries would be very helpful to bust out at times like this just to get new viewers up to speed.
@@TheSquareOnes it senems difficult to find anything regarding the basic history of Keffals. Most videos I’ve found are by creators who have had a personal run-in with her and focus on that particular issue without much background.
@@regionalrange3052 Keffals needs an enemy at all times. So with KF out of the public view/refusing to talk about her she's going to turn back to Destiny.
Ya tbh I don't think he should be touching the topic of keffals, he has said it before and he is right, interacting with her and people like her is only bad for him and his career, and at the same time good for them, and keffals knows it.
Keffals getting Destiny banned for something he didn't say is bad. But let's be real all Destiny did on twitter was bait people and try to start fights. It was only a matter of time before this happened.
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Destiny: “Vaush calls everything fascist, it’s so cringe” …5 minutes later… Destiny: “Keffals is a FASCIST when it comes to facts, because she will just pick whatever narrative makes her look good” Very intelligent streamer, very intelligent audience
Destiny and Keffals are cut from the same cloth when it come to be alot of their online behaviour, he is guilty of a lot of the stuff he accuses her of in this clip, but I do think she is far worse and he accurately describes why in this video- she has establishment support based solely on her status as a trans woman. Also I believe Destiny is being completely genuine when around the 20:00 mark he says there isn’t a significant crossover between KF’s community and DGG but he is wrong. There is a crossover for sure, he underestimates his influence on *this* side of the online world especially surrounding politics. I do think he truly doesn’t understand this though, it’s something I’ve noticed before. He really drives narratives and conversations in a lot of these areas and people adopt his arguments as their own in these spaces.
Why are so many people saying this, seems like keffals viewers just coping about what a peace of human trash she is. Destiny is nothing like her at all that's insane.
@@Confy__ I just watched a video where Destiny covered Keffal’s H3H3 interview. He paused it and said he doesn’t believe the discord accusations against Keffals and that they’ve never been corroborated. Also I’m not sure if directing young people to medical help for their transition is the crime you are making it out to be. If she was offering them illegal methods like DIY drugs from unqualified people then that is different, but is this what she did? I ask in good faith. Kiwi farms is not the best source for stuff like this.
@@soupalot Sorry but describing it as “directing young people to medical help for transitioning” is not accurate at all. It’s called grooming. There are too many horror stories out there of people that thought they were trans and made the decision at exactly 18 to destroy their bodies and then they end up killing themselves or hating their lives. No one under 18 should be taking advise from keffals or thinking “Hmmm, I really want to irreversibly change my body.”
Have to admit I don't really feel bad for destiny when he screeches and cries about being unfairly banned and harassed when he just passes the buck onto places he doesn't like. I understand that's just how the food chain works and all but it's pretty dumb when you claim to be about telling the truth.. They mostly just talk about Anavoir in his thread, but he has to cherry pick some crazy thing that I haven't even seen there? If the people are so deranged and unhinged why are you interacting with them and answering their questions, wouldn't you want to stay away and not give them any ammo? This is why kwf should probably exist, because when nobody can go look at what's posted there all off a sudden it's CRAZY UNHINGED STALKERS WITH NO EXCUSE FOR THEIR HARASSMENT THEY DONE DID THIS ONE THING AND THEY ALL CRAYZEE MANE
And now that I think about it, there IS a crossover between destiny's community and the kwf because a lot of new accounts popped up to laugh at ana after she got a thread, most likely because destiny wouldn't allow it on his reddit page which is where they collected most of that info. It would be cursory to assume that these people came from dgg because they do the same autism write up on Lauren southern and every girl he's facing on twitch, which is what's cited as harassment by detractors. It's a 'safe bet' to assume that they swatted keffals, but dggbros posting on kwf? No way in hell! Extremely unlikely! Our communities are so different because they're transphobic and we're not dude! When will this manlet learn? Smdh bruh 😒
I only tolerate destiny slightly more so than K, but they're both bullies and I feel like he knew what he was saying about himself while saying about her but poker faced and kept ranting. Even calls her fash (is triggered when other people use the word). They are the heads and tails of a coin, and coin is what I hope they both get. To pay for therapy.
@@Greatkingrat88 does dgg and the subreddit not incessantly post about Hasan, vaush, keffals, anavoir, alebrelle or any girl that destiny is trying to fuck? Did they not try and match tweets with stream clips and timestamps to try and figure out where destiny and Lauren were hanging out to prove they were boning? Is that not considered "harassment" when you're implying that Lauren is cheating on her husband? It happens over and over again but it's okay because destiny gets rid of it eventually? Isn't that nulls excuse as well? Big thinker
Leffals and Laush doing their thing
Love it see it. God bless Widion 🙏
All the third party DGG channels are upping their edit quality to August’s style, I love it.
Thanks Keffals for bringing back Gamergate 2.0
I dunno who the caller was but they're such a good example of the crazy biases you gotta pushback against online if someone is simply perceived as being on the "right side" they seemed prepared to believe anything keffels even hinted at while destiny needed exact sourced quotes to even get a kind of concession that she's done anything wrong
It's the typical fanatic posing as an even keeled moderate. They come off as agreeable and someone just trying to learn the facts/other side of the story. But in reality they are completely entrenched in their positions and have no intention of reconsidering. Their main strategy is to concede points as being true, but downplay it as something that doesn't change the overall argument.
@@rayquaza1245 Fanatiq does this shit every fucking time he's so annoying
@@rayquaza1245 I’m confused that you got that from this. Sounds extremely defensive. I’ve heard this caller before, he’s a regular in Dgg.
Sometimes people don’t watch every single stream and genuinely don’t know what’s happening. Getting clarification On this is better then just believing either of these two without criticism
How the fuck did you get that from this? If someone is trying to get clarification on his actions, that doesn’t make them some evil Kefals mob member, come on dude.
He talked to Chaeiry about this before coming to Steven. He was kiting hard as fuck for her and mischaracterized everything about Steven and even said he was jealous of Hasan. Too bad Chaeiry's a loremaster.
The context provided (like showing the tweets they're talking about) is insanely good. I always thought this channel was run by someone else than the main one, but I have to ask... August, is that you?
Every time I hear Vaush say "equivocate" when he means "equate/equivalate" I get a visceral compulsion to drive a pencil into my brain.
Are you equivocating Vaush with somebody that doesn't know what equivocate means?!
He should be more abstainious about discussing equivocations for sure.
@@TheSquareOnes yes its inconceivable
Same thing when uses the word "exponentional" when he really means "big" or "many".
You mean big relative to something right ? Or relative to the acceleration/growth rate of something right ? Like he doesn’t say the Eiffel Tower is exponential, he says that X is exponentially bigger than Y or something… Right ? Otherwise it’s the strangest misuse of the word exponential I ever heard ^^’
Like it’s normal to use it to mean “big” in some contexts but… Not all XD
i hope keffals can transition into a decent human being. i've heard they have surgeries and hormones for that now.
I hope everyone involved in this transitions into touching grass.
@@WarningBFG-isHiring Real
I was in another tab and almost crapped my pants at 4:54 lol
i cant believe I watch videos of people watching videos of people looking at Twitter.
This is absolutely wild!
"I have no position" obviously you do. The amount of good faith given to keffals was astounding. Bro was really about to defend keffals going after an innocent party because it happened to her. Also was willing to say yeah destiny you contributed but was hesitant when it came to keffals trying to get a server building attacked.
27:30 in case anyone can’t get what he’s driving at here, he’s basically thinking 1. Well it’s ok that she stole it cause her fans don’t care, they’re all ok with it (never mind that she completely lied about the original incident and then claimed the money would be used for something else entirely, but hey if her fans are ok with it then I guess it’s fine) and 2. Since destiny himself didn’t donate, he isn’t at liberty to say she stole the money, meaning only someone that donated can make that claim. Now I am somewhat sympathetic to both of these arguments in general, but damn, we’re going out of our way to make this person into the good guy.
"2. Since destiny himself didn’t donate, he isn’t at liberty to say she stole the money, meaning only someone that donated can make that claim."
Translation: If you don't personally get fleeced by a grift, you're not allowed to criticize the grift.
You shouldn't really even be sympathetic to the arguments, since he's literally defending a textbook scam. It's the classic "hey, can I please just have $5 for gas, my car died and my wife is pregnant and I'm also pregnant and our phones died and the phones are pregnant and $5 would just help us out a lot" gas station scam but magnified by the scale of a large streaming platform and international media attention. Whether or not a specific individual feels bad about being scammed is irrelevant to the scam itself being "bad behavior."
I hate to say it, and you guys probably disagree, but it was a straight loss to post the link. Even if it was a small back-alley corner of the community, he is aware of how it can be (is) used against him. Sure, maybe he knows better than anyone that there is no getting out of it clean with people like her, but this is simply free ammunition. At most, I can give that you could hint to it and make clear of the fact that it isn't anything to do with you. Going any further by posting the link does nothing more to benefit you. Although, him admitting this probably wouldn't do anything to help him either.
The link is inconsequential. I've been following people like Keffals for years; even if Destiny hadn't posted the link, Keffals would have either just found some other way to link the two communities; or in the event that there is no connection to make, they'll either create one themselves or just straight up lie about one existing. The people attacking KF were already compromising inactive accounts with weak security to post threats, there's no reason to assume they wouldn't do the same thing except they attach "destiny fan btw" to the post in some way to get what they want.
Was the caller a journalist.. j/w sounded like it
You have to be so far removed from the situation to think you can defend keffles that you can't actually have information on the subject.
Kotaku and objective news reporting?
Thahahaa
Farms did nothing wrong, it's still up, cope.
Truuuee!
Keffals used the same line of logic that EJ used against Vaush about Luna Oi lol insane
I litrally dont know what kiwifarms is, been on the internet since 1996 lol
Wikipedia will let you cite any statement as true if it is published by a so-called trusted source. It's a big flaw.
Kind of, but there are still checks. You can't cite a publication that you yourself wrote, for instance. That's why there was a huge back and forth in the talk section of the page because the editors noted the conflict of interest. The tweet quoted in the article is attributed to the person who cited the article
Whenever Destiny talks to JiDion it feels a lot like when he speaks to xQc. Very wholesome.
That's not JiDion btw
"idk if vaush has any friends to have personal beef with" bruh you didn't have to be that savage xD
That AGP brain isn’t gonna fix your male-pattern baldness, Lucas
i really dont understand how people can still be confused as to why people hate keffals unless theyre lying. i can understand not giving a fuck about the kiwifarms or being misinformed about what happens there, but how is it possible to not put 2 and 2 together when this person is claiming that they fear for their life but won't stop livestreaming despite being gifted 100k?
Well, there are people like me, who is literally watching this video because I’m trying to figure out what is going on with this person. I only know Keffals hates Kiwi farms and most people seem to find her irritating. I’m looking for a video that can summarize her situation in 30 minutes or less.
@@DizzyME13 thats fair if you havent read any of the news articles i suppose
I'm in the same boat, literally only heard of Keffals through the recent swatting drama and have been slowly getting filled in on the historical context by people more in the loop and videos like this. It's probably not even worth the work of catching up at this point but it's certainly not helped by how vague a lot of the condemnation seems to be, it's like everyone just expects us to already know who every figure is on the internet and everything they've done until now. I get that it can be boring (or even annoying) to go back through everything every time a name comes back up, but quick summaries would be very helpful to bust out at times like this just to get new viewers up to speed.
@@TheSquareOnes it senems difficult to find anything regarding the basic history of Keffals. Most videos I’ve found are by creators who have had a personal run-in with her and focus on that particular issue without much background.
@@DizzyME13 If only there was some sort of forum that compiled all of this information in a single easy to read thread.
Wasn’t it like 2 weeks ago where destiny said he was done w this nonsense
And? Keffals keeps dragging Destiny in this, what now?
@@regionalrange3052 Keffals needs an enemy at all times. So with KF out of the public view/refusing to talk about her she's going to turn back to Destiny.
Ya tbh I don't think he should be touching the topic of keffals, he has said it before and he is right, interacting with her and people like her is only bad for him and his career, and at the same time good for them, and keffals knows it.
@@harryseaton7444 It's entertaining. He's an entertainer.
Weird that journalists don't confirm claims they make... Really gets the old noggin joggin'.
20:00 i dont understand this dude confusion at all. he is just taking keffals at her word.
1:05 No lies detected.
destiny is clearly a woman's name
The most redpilled guy in history...
Vaush should boink Keffels haha
Or vice versa
Keffals getting Destiny banned for something he didn't say is bad. But let's be real all Destiny did on twitter was bait people and try to start fights. It was only a matter of time before this happened.
That's all Twitter is for
uh sir, are you victim blaming our dear lady Destiny?
@@JakeDaines Yes. Destiny is a woman's name.
"It was only a matter of time he got banned for things he didn't do because he did other things", what?
@@kikiRa. breh destiny calls Keffals a "terrorist" in this clip. Dude says wild inflammatory shit all the time.
Simulacstiny
More like Leffals
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Hilarious that Destiny calls other people internet bullies
Destiny: “Vaush calls everything fascist, it’s so cringe”
…5 minutes later…
Destiny: “Keffals is a FASCIST when it comes to facts, because she will just pick whatever narrative makes her look good”
Very intelligent streamer, very intelligent audience
everytime this dude hops in to talk to destiny, I feel dumber by his stutter
The cringe I feel everytime they refer to Lucas as "she" and "her"
Destiny and Keffals are cut from the same cloth when it come to be alot of their online behaviour, he is guilty of a lot of the stuff he accuses her of in this clip, but I do think she is far worse and he accurately describes why in this video- she has establishment support based solely on her status as a trans woman.
Also I believe Destiny is being completely genuine when around the 20:00 mark he says there isn’t a significant crossover between KF’s community and DGG but he is wrong. There is a crossover for sure, he underestimates his influence on *this* side of the online world especially surrounding politics. I do think he truly doesn’t understand this though, it’s something I’ve noticed before. He really drives narratives and conversations in a lot of these areas and people adopt his arguments as their own in these spaces.
Why are so many people saying this, seems like keffals viewers just coping about what a peace of human trash she is. Destiny is nothing like her at all that's insane.
Destiny owned a discord that harbored pedophiles and groomers? Destiny is into DIY HRT and getting literal children to transition?
@@Confy__ I just watched a video where Destiny covered Keffal’s H3H3 interview. He paused it and said he doesn’t believe the discord accusations against Keffals and that they’ve never been corroborated.
Also I’m not sure if directing young people to medical help for their transition is the crime you are making it out to be. If she was offering them illegal methods like DIY drugs from unqualified people then that is different, but is this what she did? I ask in good faith. Kiwi farms is not the best source for stuff like this.
@@soupalot Sorry but describing it as “directing young people to medical help for transitioning” is not accurate at all. It’s called grooming. There are too many horror stories out there of people that thought they were trans and made the decision at exactly 18 to destroy their bodies and then they end up killing themselves or hating their lives. No one under 18 should be taking advise from keffals or thinking “Hmmm, I really want to irreversibly change my body.”
@@Confy__ do you think any person under the age of 18 transitioning medically is acceptable?
Have to admit I don't really feel bad for destiny when he screeches and cries about being unfairly banned and harassed when he just passes the buck onto places he doesn't like. I understand that's just how the food chain works and all but it's pretty dumb when you claim to be about telling the truth.. They mostly just talk about Anavoir in his thread, but he has to cherry pick some crazy thing that I haven't even seen there? If the people are so deranged and unhinged why are you interacting with them and answering their questions, wouldn't you want to stay away and not give them any ammo? This is why kwf should probably exist, because when nobody can go look at what's posted there all off a sudden it's CRAZY UNHINGED STALKERS WITH NO EXCUSE FOR THEIR HARASSMENT THEY DONE DID THIS ONE THING AND THEY ALL CRAYZEE MANE
And now that I think about it, there IS a crossover between destiny's community and the kwf because a lot of new accounts popped up to laugh at ana after she got a thread, most likely because destiny wouldn't allow it on his reddit page which is where they collected most of that info. It would be cursory to assume that these people came from dgg because they do the same autism write up on Lauren southern and every girl he's facing on twitch, which is what's cited as harassment by detractors. It's a 'safe bet' to assume that they swatted keffals, but dggbros posting on kwf? No way in hell! Extremely unlikely! Our communities are so different because they're transphobic and we're not dude! When will this manlet learn? Smdh bruh 😒
I only tolerate destiny slightly more so than K, but they're both bullies and I feel like he knew what he was saying about himself while saying about her but poker faced and kept ranting. Even calls her fash (is triggered when other people use the word). They are the heads and tails of a coin, and coin is what I hope they both get. To pay for therapy.
Was trying to articulate a similar feeling. Destiny is actually guilty of most of the things he called her out for in this video.
How are they remotely similar?
@@Greatkingrat88 does dgg and the subreddit not incessantly post about Hasan, vaush, keffals, anavoir, alebrelle or any girl that destiny is trying to fuck? Did they not try and match tweets with stream clips and timestamps to try and figure out where destiny and Lauren were hanging out to prove they were boning? Is that not considered "harassment" when you're implying that Lauren is cheating on her husband? It happens over and over again but it's okay because destiny gets rid of it eventually? Isn't that nulls excuse as well? Big thinker
This black dude dosent know how to speak bruh lmao
that ninja acting like journalis but in real life hate destiny to the core thats the fact