women stopped wearing a corset mainly because of the mockery of men and the fake news they created about the corset that also happened with Crinoline, bonnets and hat holding spikes
Oh yay, another video! For my conculture, village leaders each have a really special corset passed down generations that sort of cements their claim to the throne (my culture is matrilineal) and are worn as undergarments with a tight velvet onto so the corset is more visible. The working class has sort of adapted these into bust support that uses wide shoulder strap rather than hip support. this video was really great because it gave me a lot of things to think about (I honestly haven't thought that much about shilloutes (spelling is fun). Edit: spelling!!
Interesting! In the 18th century it was more common for working class women's stays to be strapless and rely more on the hips for support, so I'm curious how that change might factor in. Wide racetrack straps have always been a favorite of mine for support since they don't hurt my shoulders as much, I think that's something I'd like to explore further, myself!
❤ I always move house wearing my steel-boned corsets. Keeps my back safe and gives support, and i can keep going hours after my husband, doing the exact same thing together :)
There's a reason pro movers wear belts to support their backs!! I think I've just moved my corset purchase up in priority since I can justify the hundreds of dollars it will save me from having to treat my thrown out back when we move 😂
Thanks for the information. A species I use wears corsets for support but I never did a lot of research before I used them so this video made me realize that the corsets I’ve been using don’t really work. Love all these videos keep up the great work I have a lot of fun with them.❤️
Looking at modern naming things, it’s entirely possible that “corsetto” or even corset was a name a designer made up for his/her stays design, which then just fell into the common name. Like how modern designers have a specific name for like…. Pants. And some people call the pants by their names rather than their specific cut
A lot of the corset benefits I also find with wearing binders; they're more breathing restrictive but it's sort of the same idea, as I find my posture straightening with wear and like beyond the dysphoria crushing thing they're pretty comfortable and protective. I'd say something similar might work in a fantasy setting also (minus the rib shattering lol)
Okay, no matter how many times I watch this video, the "this is probably a bad idea" and "buckle in, boys" always gets me. It is guaranteed to crack me up.
Pretty much all of my fantasy peoples have some sort of bust support garmets, though not necesarily corsets. In my main setting I wound up in rather weird situation because I had already done character designs for characters and then tried to come up with undergarments that were appropriate, and a LOT of different things wound up being selected. I tried to figure out how to justify this, and ultimately concluded that the people there as a whole have a wide variety of tastes, possibly because there's a fairly high amount of cultural exchange in some areas, and different species have have differing beauty standards. Some ladies wear a lot of crop tops, so I wound up going with 1920s-esque bras for, while a lot of other people wound up with Edwardian or late Victorian type corsets, while the elves (and pretty much just the elves) have largely gone with more Regency-like styles combined with 'sports corsets,' and 1920s bra type things, and a lot of the trolls favor simpler kirtle-type bodices, chest wraps or harnesses - though some (especially those who trade with other peoples more) have adopted other styles as well. Busked undergarments are also popular with the flying races (at least if they're going to be flying a while) as they make it easier to keep their torsos strait while flying. Meanwhile that same setting several hundred years ago (one storyline I have takes place waaaay before the others) most people went with form fitting kirtles, sometimes with chest wraps, except the goblins and trolls. At that point the trolls hadn't really adopted kirtle-type bodices, and the goblins were...well, some of them where using harnesses like ye olde Greeks, some were using chest wraps, but most of them were running around without any bust support (or clothes at all in some cases.) Varied depending on how much contact that particular tribe had with non-goblins. The flying races also had to make sure their breathing wasn't restricted since flying requires a lot of oxygen and is basically the equivalent of endurance running, and some used outwear to try and hold their clothes close to the chest so the neckline wasn't loose anough for people to potentially look down their shirts.
What a great video! The nuances of my own dearly held corset opinions are slightly different from yours, but on the whole very similar, and definitely informed by the same history! I love your comprehensive overview of the myriad reasons for corsetry, and as a busty lady myself am grateful for the general remind that even fantasy busty ladies are going to need some support now and then 😂
I have a question. I'm creating a race like yours (with wings and bird like features) and I wanna know if you think that adding a kind of corset would be a good idea. I was thinking about a corset for hips and waist (not boobs 'cause lots of sport=not a lot of fat) which would occasionaly be worn by wealthier people to support their back. What do you think, I'm really not an expert and I think I'd need advices 😅😁 I also love this video, it really intresting 💖
This just popped up in my recommended feed and I was like "what the hell, mine as well check it out." I DO NOT REGRET THAT DECISION. 10/10 video, subscribing with much haste!!!!!!!!!!!
Those children's stays are so cute! I made myself a pair of stays out of cardboard, cereal boxes, and masking tape when I was 4 or 5 (homeschooled and was learning about the French revolution 😅), I think I also had panniers made from 2L bottles. I liked to make outfits out of all the plastic bags from when we did our once a month family shop in the late 90s and early 00s, so I made foofy ballgowns for my little sister and I. Odd tangent but now I'm thinking of feed sack dresses and what other unusual sources of material for clothing could your fantasy culture use? So many possibilities like a late victorian ventilated corset but instead of being made with twill tape and cotton net it is made with leather and exceptionally fine (chain) mail - if it was gold and made fine enough it would have a purple hue to it 😍 such a cool idea! #inspired
random facts, Richard " the one that locked his nephews up in the Tower of London "he had one of these medical corsets because he had a curved spine and they've actually found someone with his disease to test out if he really could have went to war and done what he needed to do and just finding .yes Richard could have went to war and rode horses and do and do everything that the legend said.
Very informational! I think Bridgerton is total fantasy. The music is modern with an orchestral twist, the clothing is beautiful and the materials gorgeous I bet the costumiers had a ball. As far as I know the we're not so many ethnic courtiers. But as I said all fantasy!
I was wondering if a rectangle of fabric with a gathering stitch between the "girls" would be a decent bust support construction method. Either wrapped or a bustier shape underneath.
i have a question. in my story world the good guys wear corsets as armor. the corsets are made of leather but i'm debating having a different material a stiff fabric corset with wood boning as a substitute for archers or people who need to move more they have needles made of a metal they have access to but they don't have access to machines so the fabric they make has to be woven by hand. but would leather allow freedom of movement for someone like an archer who needs to shoot a bow really quick during combat. i don't have much experience with leather so ya could archers wear protective leather armour that still allows freedom of movement
Not to blame you, but I had to make up a new type of metal so the armors of a brand of my warriors against monsters could be heavily inspired in multilayered dresses that include stays and corsets, and they look beautiful but also my wrist hurts from drawing. - I came back to the video again because I need something for my shape shifting dragon ladies. The Greek harness seems to be the best option, they can keep it on their waist as a belt when they don't need it.
I did it. I gave them corset as armor. And I can give each a different type because they're from the 2060s so of course they would know about it because internet 😆
I think Biology would also play a part in whether a race/species would wear a corset, I don't know though as I don't know much(read anything) about them myself, only major question is would a winged race(think a Garuda) be able to wear one? I want to say no because wings getting in the way, but as stated, I know next to nothing about corsets.
Also you can totally exercise in a corset someone went mountain climbing in a historical replica, and archaeological evidence shows that prehistoric women did engage in hunting, but probably not if they were pregnant or nursing yknow Also during wwii when all the women had to do the men’s jobs and metal was rationed a group of women in England fought parliament on an exemption for their corsets bc they required them for back support during their factory work
I don't like this video as much as your other videos on your worldbuilding channel. It's probably the only worldbuilding video along with your conlanging video that I won't automatically love. I just feel like it's more of a history lecture than a worldbuilding video, but that's just an opinion. I do respect how much research and effort you put into though! Maybe it's because I'm only a teenager, but I have never put in as much detail and thought in my fantasy races as you do.
In my worldbuild, in elven society corsets are heavily tied to the clergy (at least for most of history.) They're worn by all genders, but as I said really mostly just worn by members of the Church of The Protector and the Temple of The Art.
I have something to say about the seaweed dyes of the nauticans. The red colors would actually fade away very quickly because the red pigment of seaweed, that they use is light sensitive. It would also be needlesly hard to get the red dyes because red seaweed gets more common, the deeper down you go. Also I have a question. Their seasilk is naturally yellowish. So does that mean that they can create green tones by only partially bleaching the seasilk and then adding some blue mollusk dye?
The light sensitivity also counts for yellow seaweed dyes because they are about half red pigment. So they will eventually turn into a very bleached out green.
they can enjoy it, but just like how some ppl think video games are a waste of time or think sports are lame. These cosmetic trends are silly, the ones before and the ones now.
Yes, in the 19th century, I believe, to fit ideal beauty standards. I would also turn your attention to the tight girdles/belts of the ancient Minoans, among whom both genders were athletic and liked to show off their narrow waists.
They did have them but it wasn't mainstream like it was for women. They wore them to support their back and have a nipped in waist (comfortably laced) which was fashionable.
lol I read a story once where a semi-military group (they're kind of all-purpose, enforcing laws and reporting back to the monarch) spent a lot of time and probably had some fun trying to figure out what weapons and other useful tools could be hidden in a corset - in case the woman wearing it suddenly found herself in danger. And she did wind up using everything they put in, so, way to be prepared?
Most probably she meant fashion corsets, not the ones which are custom made or properly made (everything taken into account and consideration). The latter is comfortable.
Well, this video focuses more on corsets for women (understandably, it's what we probably know best) but, why not men's corsets? Yeah, unless some aspects of your people's culture and/or biology is involved, bust support is not a priority, but still, we've seen examples of form-shaping fashion for men in our world in this same video. It could be interesting, it's worldbuilding, let's break out from our society's preconceptions, fuck gender roles.
women stopped wearing a corset mainly because of the mockery of men and the fake news they created about the corset
that also happened with Crinoline, bonnets and hat holding spikes
Sort of, though there were other things in play too. World wars requiring the materials, 20s rendering the typical corset shape useless...
Really ¿I thought it was because it’s outdated
@@saladcaesar7716 Things don't go out of fashion because they "become outdated". They become outdated for reasons.
“Free the Boobs” god I love this channel
Oh yay, another video! For my conculture, village leaders each have a really special corset passed down generations that sort of cements their claim to the throne (my culture is matrilineal) and are worn as undergarments with a tight velvet onto so the corset is more visible. The working class has sort of adapted these into bust support that uses wide shoulder strap rather than hip support. this video was really great because it gave me a lot of things to think about (I honestly haven't thought that much about shilloutes (spelling is fun).
Edit: spelling!!
Interesting! In the 18th century it was more common for working class women's stays to be strapless and rely more on the hips for support, so I'm curious how that change might factor in. Wide racetrack straps have always been a favorite of mine for support since they don't hurt my shoulders as much, I think that's something I'd like to explore further, myself!
The boob revolution speech honestly made me wheeze
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I always move house wearing my steel-boned corsets. Keeps my back safe and gives support, and i can keep going hours after my husband, doing the exact same thing together :)
There's a reason pro movers wear belts to support their backs!! I think I've just moved my corset purchase up in priority since I can justify the hundreds of dollars it will save me from having to treat my thrown out back when we move 😂
Dang I've never seen youtube recommend me a video so fast, I'm glad though, these videos are really neat.
Hello! I'm subscribed to your channel and never thought I would see you here lol😁
when i opened this it said no views in the view count
@@Fluffio347 Haha, yeah, it's a small world :>
@@DeadFawn Yeah I guess so 😄
I LOVE learning about the history of a real world item and incorporating that into worldbuilding!
Thanks for the information. A species I use wears corsets for support but I never did a lot of research before I used them so this video made me realize that the corsets I’ve been using don’t really work. Love all these videos keep up the great work I have a lot of fun with them.❤️
Looking at modern naming things, it’s entirely possible that “corsetto” or even corset was a name a designer made up for his/her stays design, which then just fell into the common name. Like how modern designers have a specific name for like…. Pants. And some people call the pants by their names rather than their specific cut
I have already watched this on your sewing channel, but needed to put my view on this upload.
A lot of the corset benefits I also find with wearing binders; they're more breathing restrictive but it's sort of the same idea, as I find my posture straightening with wear and like beyond the dysphoria crushing thing they're pretty comfortable and protective. I'd say something similar might work in a fantasy setting also (minus the rib shattering lol)
as someone who consistently has to bend over for work and deals with back pain because of it, i wonder if a well-fitted corset would be beneficial
Okay, no matter how many times I watch this video, the "this is probably a bad idea" and "buckle in, boys" always gets me. It is guaranteed to crack me up.
Pretty much all of my fantasy peoples have some sort of bust support garmets, though not necesarily corsets. In my main setting I wound up in rather weird situation because I had already done character designs for characters and then tried to come up with undergarments that were appropriate, and a LOT of different things wound up being selected. I tried to figure out how to justify this, and ultimately concluded that the people there as a whole have a wide variety of tastes, possibly because there's a fairly high amount of cultural exchange in some areas, and different species have have differing beauty standards. Some ladies wear a lot of crop tops, so I wound up going with 1920s-esque bras for, while a lot of other people wound up with Edwardian or late Victorian type corsets, while the elves (and pretty much just the elves) have largely gone with more Regency-like styles combined with 'sports corsets,' and 1920s bra type things, and a lot of the trolls favor simpler kirtle-type bodices, chest wraps or harnesses - though some (especially those who trade with other peoples more) have adopted other styles as well. Busked undergarments are also popular with the flying races (at least if they're going to be flying a while) as they make it easier to keep their torsos strait while flying.
Meanwhile that same setting several hundred years ago (one storyline I have takes place waaaay before the others) most people went with form fitting kirtles, sometimes with chest wraps, except the goblins and trolls. At that point the trolls hadn't really adopted kirtle-type bodices, and the goblins were...well, some of them where using harnesses like ye olde Greeks, some were using chest wraps, but most of them were running around without any bust support (or clothes at all in some cases.) Varied depending on how much contact that particular tribe had with non-goblins. The flying races also had to make sure their breathing wasn't restricted since flying requires a lot of oxygen and is basically the equivalent of endurance running, and some used outwear to try and hold their clothes close to the chest so the neckline wasn't loose anough for people to potentially look down their shirts.
I’m so thankful for this video, this is something I’ve been struggling with for MONTHS it’s nice to get a clear idea now.
What a great video! The nuances of my own dearly held corset opinions are slightly different from yours, but on the whole very similar, and definitely informed by the same history! I love your comprehensive overview of the myriad reasons for corsetry, and as a busty lady myself am grateful for the general remind that even fantasy busty ladies are going to need some support now and then 😂
I have a question. I'm creating a race like yours (with wings and bird like features) and I wanna know if you think that adding a kind of corset would be a good idea. I was thinking about a corset for hips and waist (not boobs 'cause lots of sport=not a lot of fat) which would occasionaly be worn by wealthier people to support their back. What do you think, I'm really not an expert and I think I'd need advices 😅😁
I also love this video, it really intresting 💖
Corsets are still popular in a lot of different alternative fashions and subcultures. Goths and lolitas are the first ones that come to my mind
This just popped up in my recommended feed and I was like "what the hell, mine as well check it out." I DO NOT REGRET THAT DECISION. 10/10 video, subscribing with much haste!!!!!!!!!!!
Woohoo! Thank you for reuploading this!!
I LOVE your world building videos there useful, entertaining, and just lovely ☺️
Those children's stays are so cute! I made myself a pair of stays out of cardboard, cereal boxes, and masking tape when I was 4 or 5 (homeschooled and was learning about the French revolution 😅), I think I also had panniers made from 2L bottles. I liked to make outfits out of all the plastic bags from when we did our once a month family shop in the late 90s and early 00s, so I made foofy ballgowns for my little sister and I.
Odd tangent but now I'm thinking of feed sack dresses and what other unusual sources of material for clothing could your fantasy culture use? So many possibilities like a late victorian ventilated corset but instead of being made with twill tape and cotton net it is made with leather and exceptionally fine (chain) mail - if it was gold and made fine enough it would have a purple hue to it 😍 such a cool idea! #inspired
random facts, Richard " the one that locked his nephews up in the Tower of London "he had one of these medical corsets because he had a curved spine and they've actually found someone with his disease to test out if he really could have went to war and done what he needed to do and just finding .yes Richard could have went to war and rode horses and do and do everything that the legend said.
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I'm a guy and use world building for table top role playing games but dang. This is is very interesting and gets my mind going.
Very informational! I think Bridgerton is total fantasy. The music is modern with an orchestral twist, the clothing is beautiful and the materials gorgeous I bet the costumiers had a ball. As far as I know the we're not so many ethnic courtiers. But as I said all fantasy!
I was wondering if a rectangle of fabric with a gathering stitch between the "girls" would be a decent bust support construction method. Either wrapped or a bustier shape underneath.
I love a great fitting corset.
The perfect video to answer my question thank you
Some good thoughts; I like satin and stiff corsets and the 16" waist is a nice dream. 'Wife training' is a nice notion.
i have a question. in my story world the good guys wear corsets as armor. the corsets are made of leather but i'm debating having a different material a stiff fabric corset with wood boning as a substitute for archers or people who need to move more they have needles made of a metal they have access to but they don't have access to machines so the fabric they make has to be woven by hand. but would leather allow freedom of movement for someone like an archer who needs to shoot a bow really quick during combat. i don't have much experience with leather so ya could archers wear protective leather armour that still allows freedom of movement
Not to blame you, but I had to make up a new type of metal so the armors of a brand of my warriors against monsters could be heavily inspired in multilayered dresses that include stays and corsets, and they look beautiful but also my wrist hurts from drawing.
- I came back to the video again because I need something for my shape shifting dragon ladies. The Greek harness seems to be the best option, they can keep it on their waist as a belt when they don't need it.
I did it. I gave them corset as armor. And I can give each a different type because they're from the 2060s so of course they would know about it because internet 😆
I think Biology would also play a part in whether a race/species would wear a corset, I don't know though as I don't know much(read anything) about them myself, only major question is would a winged race(think a Garuda) be able to wear one? I want to say no because wings getting in the way, but as stated, I know next to nothing about corsets.
Also you can totally exercise in a corset someone went mountain climbing in a historical replica, and archaeological evidence shows that prehistoric women did engage in hunting, but probably not if they were pregnant or nursing yknow
Also during wwii when all the women had to do the men’s jobs and metal was rationed a group of women in England fought parliament on an exemption for their corsets bc they required them for back support during their factory work
I don't like this video as much as your other videos on your worldbuilding channel. It's probably the only worldbuilding video along with your conlanging video that I won't automatically love. I just feel like it's more of a history lecture than a worldbuilding video, but that's just an opinion. I do respect how much research and effort you put into though! Maybe it's because I'm only a teenager, but I have never put in as much detail and thought in my fantasy races as you do.
In my worldbuild, in elven society corsets are heavily tied to the clergy (at least for most of history.) They're worn by all genders, but as I said really mostly just worn by members of the Church of The Protector and the Temple of The Art.
I have something to say about the seaweed dyes of the nauticans. The red colors would actually fade away very quickly because the red pigment of seaweed, that they use is light sensitive. It would also be needlesly hard to get the red dyes because red seaweed gets more common, the deeper down you go. Also I have a question. Their seasilk is naturally yellowish. So does that mean that they can create green tones by only partially bleaching the seasilk and then adding some blue mollusk dye?
The light sensitivity also counts for yellow seaweed dyes because they are about half red pigment. So they will eventually turn into a very bleached out green.
I honestly really want to start wearing corsets so that maybe it'll encourage me to not have the posture of a shrimp
The 300 hundred year thing could be argued as simply nothing better had come around until then.
they can enjoy it, but just like how some ppl think video games are a waste of time or think sports are lame. These cosmetic trends are silly, the ones before and the ones now.
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ I looooove corset ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ and I'm curious about man's corset, Did they have them?
Don't know in the past but they have them now.
Yes, in the 19th century, I believe, to fit ideal beauty standards. I would also turn your attention to the tight girdles/belts of the ancient Minoans, among whom both genders were athletic and liked to show off their narrow waists.
They did have them but it wasn't mainstream like it was for women. They wore them to support their back and have a nipped in waist (comfortably laced) which was fashionable.
@@limerence8365 they had them in the 19th century
lol I read a story once where a semi-military group (they're kind of all-purpose, enforcing laws and reporting back to the monarch) spent a lot of time and probably had some fun trying to figure out what weapons and other useful tools could be hidden in a corset - in case the woman wearing it suddenly found herself in danger. And she did wind up using everything they put in, so, way to be prepared?
I mean, if they want to 👉🏻👈🏻 I'm not gonna bash them for it or anything
9:17 Ooh, I know plenty of RUclipsrs that would disagree with you that modern corsets are uncomfortable.
Most probably she meant fashion corsets, not the ones which are custom made or properly made (everything taken into account and consideration). The latter is comfortable.
corsets made in the modern way, ie fast-fashion, ready-to-wear, mass-produced. Those, of course, will not fit or behave properly.
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Oh wow
I can't wait to watch this
Well, this video focuses more on corsets for women (understandably, it's what we probably know best) but, why not men's corsets? Yeah, unless some aspects of your people's culture and/or biology is involved, bust support is not a priority, but still, we've seen examples of form-shaping fashion for men in our world in this same video. It could be interesting, it's worldbuilding, let's break out from our society's preconceptions, fuck gender roles.
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so the myths about corsets come just like other problem, patriarchy and capitalism
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