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It is for the same reason that Aristotle is being buried. It is in Aristotle's virtue ethics that the Stoics derived their principles. But much simplification was made because Aristotle is more demanding in the development of virtue. The Heroic Character (fighting for what is right, even if the chance of defeat is high) was completely forgotten. In the end, modern stoicism has been converted into a product to increase productivity. A performance-driven society in which one's life becomes a product to be sold to a market. People became obsessed with seeking an ideal performance for work and aesthetics and forgot their roots, their honor, and God.
Yeah, since it got hyped up you have all these wanabe sigma males who failed to be a alpha go into this modern stoicism. Stoicism is about discipline, living according to nature in the end and not fuzzing about what you cannot control. Thats it.
Agree 👍 Ancient Stoicism wasn't about being negative but about being realistic and focusing on what one can control. The Romans were people of action and sometimes even killed their politicians and governors when they betrayed their people.
Yeah agreed. Diogenes is one stoic influence of mine. I also embrace minimalism because after owning things, I found it was empty. Just to impress others who I did not like in the first place. If someone wants an expensive car. That is there choice. I would rather live simply and drive an old car, fewer problems that way. Envy and Jealously cause problems in this modern era.
Until the time of the Caesars then most of the killing of corrupt politicians stopped. That is why Tacitus said that while he didn't respect the Germanic tribes if Rome was to survive, they needed to adopt their morals and family values.
The risk with anything going mainstream, is people lose sight of the nuance that it comes with. Marcus Aurelius was also a warrior and general, so even he knew that stoicism has its limits. He never once said to accept artificial suffering created by humans. Only to accept the natural suffering of the world. But if a human is imposing or manufacturing artificial suffering that is effecting you, that's where stoicism ends, and the fight to assert once existence begins.
Well said, people don't seem to understand. They are bussy with dogmatic aproaches to some quote but as with all philosophy, there are allot of perspectives to bring to the table.
Quite so. One can make persuasively that money is the foundation of monotheism. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Lucius Annaeus Seneca Yours not to reason why; Yours but to do and die. - Eugene Debs
A very profound statement...It's not the principles, but the difference between how you interpret something vs. what the author wants you to interpret something...
Find out what the author thinks. I'm interested in their interpretation, to understand why they thought, spoke and acted as they did. That may help me discover what I think, but I'm more interested in the author.
@@mitchjohnson4714This is why we get stuff like the rings of power. We don't need to know what we say. We need to know what the author wants and what is his message. We should be able to understand what it is written, not to make an understanding of our own
Stoicism is just a buzzword these days - lots of people _think_ they like the idea but few actually practice it. I believe the actual key to life is to find a noble, challenging goal that's larger than just yourself, and pursue it with all the focus, passion, discipline, Truth, and Honor you can muster. Take care of your loved ones too, and leave a bit of time to enjoy life. You'll stumble at this, of course, but just get BACK UP! Do that, and you'll have very few regrets at the end of your life. Start NOW!
Stoicism is a scam Marcus Aurelius appointed new emperor his most idiotic son and caused the decline of the Roman Empire Marcus Aurelius presented himself as " the wise man" but this is his outcome
@@fatedoesntdiscriminateYou are not fighting against his argument, you are simply slicing his perspective into its two respective sides and demonstrating both the for and against.
@@micklyons8858 Example: Do women get to "choose" the pain of child birth? No. "Choosing" to accept it or not is nonsense. You are taking Grim's quote out of context.
True stoicism it is because only in the stoicism that comes from God the devoted student will always find awarnes guided by his souls voice. Separate evil from good and you will start not only to feel what is right and what is wrong, who is good and who is bad, but you will also understand how it can be done acording to the principles of God, and from that point no ones can decive you in false thinking.
Because it doesn't work, especially this fake crap of pretending that you have all of this control over your life, when there are widespread engineering/manufacturing/causations of tons of stuff (including countless diseases, illnesses, medical conditions [both physical & mental]) that people cannot control. People don't even know the toxins (it's not just processed food, or soda pop, that barely scratches the surface) they're being exposed to on a regular basis, they "trust the science," which coupled with medical establishments have been poisoning/harming (even covertly murdering) countless. Most people can't figure out the basics. Most people don't understand Occam's Razor, correlation/causations, analysis of their environments/etc. The overwhelming majority don't even understand Truth (what truth actually is)!
Stoics don’t just roll over. When Marcus Aurelius was dying, and he was betrayed by his greatest general, what did he do? He crushed his old friend. Stoics don’t say to ignore pain, just to not wallow in it!
"If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself. But to your estimate of it". This stoic quote by Marcus Aurelius doesn't necessarily mean to ignore the pain inflicted upon you by an enemy which is so naive but there are things in life that are out of your control which you should tolerate and deal with rather than to complain and suffer like a child. That is the main tenets of stoicism but not to prefer to be weak and helpless victim.
EXACTLY. This is what I think as well. It is about staying strong and keeping going if you fall to the ground or are hurt. Understanding why it happened can help you avoid it like Grim Hustle here says. To be fucking honest, if you don't listen to both this RUclips channel and the ancient philosophy of Stoicism (btw, stoicism and Stoicism are separate things), and even if you ignore ALL IDEOLOGIES AND BELIEFS, it remains FUCKING LOGICAL from the standpoint of evolution to adapt to conditions. Depression and sadness is a way to wake up, but it can be a way to give up too. You need to keep going, no matter what the fuck is happening. It's natural, going beyond any human idea.
He wasn’t saying ignore the pain. It was in conjuncture to how the modern day stoicism speaks about how to deal and accept said pain period. Nothing more. True level of stoicism is the intertwining of God’s purpose for said pain and the strength He gave you to endure, succeed and grow from.
I disagree - stocism actively promotes a passive "make the best of it mindset". Just read Zeno of Citium's parable of the dog and the cart. At no point does he suggest the possibility of overpowering the cart and asserting one's destiny or will - he only promptes a "higher" form of slavishness by following the will of the cart as though it was his own.
Just as an example of the quote, say you meet a woman, you end up falling for her but she chooses someone else. That is suffering and it is external pain, physically you are unhurt but mentally you are distressed. What the quote means by your estimation of it is that your interpretation of the events is causing you pain, not the thing itself. Many people in life give themselves pain the quote is about not letting your thoughts weaken you. It isn't about being a punching bag.
You are right. That's because Stoicism is first and foremost a state of mind that you are born with or happen to acquire through real experience and not just read about it. I was a Stoic before I ever knew there was an ancient philosophy of Stoicism. When I learned about it I was relieved that there is nothing wrong with my understanding of life.
The objective is to exhibit the product whether they buy into it or not eventually when they do buy into it then contaminate the minds with the need & then you can manipulate & control the masses
Stoicisim with a bad purpose becomes bad..if you endure pain, when the root cause of it is evil, or shallow, you only become an accomplice. That is what the video is about. Learn
I agree with everything with Grim except unconditional respect for blood family. This is why God is more important than blood family. Not all of us had decent, ethical or loving parents. If evil can exist in humanity it can also exist in a father or even in a mother. This is why God is our true home, our true father and mother. Our roots.
Right, you don't have to worship your parents as God, but even they have flaws, God gave us the commandment to respect them and we have to do it. Because God says, "Everyone who loves Me, follows My commandments".
The ones that have been send by God into more dificult paths, are the ones stronger, wiser and with big hearths at the soul core. They will need the most to love against all odds, against acts made on them by hate or domestic violence by their unhealed parents, but despise everything, they would heal the ground by not only leting his downfall to arive, but raising above all odds and stand the ground to propper heal, develop and enhance its own abilities. Remember friend, even if you have all reasons to take revenge, be above them and your own desires to payback, but with the sadly cost to become one of them and lose your spark. You can be much more above that, always. And in the end, if you tried and still can't love them, atleast don't hate them, maibe time will give you much more answers as it passes by. And even if time can't answer your questions, keep in mind that in the end they surely did one thing right, you!
That and the proper development of one's reason via good logic. The social media gatekeepers of the diluted version of stoicism never emphasize these aspects of the philosophy.
The strongest message “ God is on every ones side if you step away from evil “ it protects people and provides inner and outer strength beyond imagination 🕊️🌟🙏
The spiritual message in this video is very profound. Buddhism, Taoism and eastern philosophy will never protect anyone from totalitarianism the way the Old Testament does.
Your content gets better, deeper and more important by the day. True words being spoken carry power. The evil powers will perish under our righteous force. Be honorable.
In the ancient world, even in Marcus Aurelius, Stoicism and Epicureanism both became huge coping mechanisms. No progress, no real improvement was possible, the only rational option was to accept your lot quietly and calmly, be you Emperor or slave. Christianity said "Through sin, there is suffering, but you can, through Grace, make things better for yourself and those immediately around you ".
Reading Epictetus should be a starting point to understand Stoicism. He literally tells you to be ready to die for what is right and not be afraid of it. He was banished by the corrupt and tyrannical government of Rome in his time. It's basically your choice, if you wanna do what is right and just, do it 100% and be ready to die for what is right. Modern RUclips-stoicism is trash.
Marcus'es stoicism wasnt really about artificiall suffering, but about natural suffering and change. As an Emperor, General and warrior he himself shouldve known the limits of the Stoa.
“If anyone tells you that a certain person speaks ill of you, do not make excuses about what is said of you but answer, "He was ignorant of my other faults, else he would not have mentioned these alone.” ― Epictetus
You were never a stoic; you are an epicurean at best using sophist rhetoric to promote your own ideas. Life is more than pleasure and pain, and if you wish to live a happy life it is within your power to do so. What's more is that you can do so right now. “Very little is needed to make a happy life; it is all within yourself in your way of thinking.” ― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations Stoics fear only abdicating their responsibility and failing to live up to their potential as a human being. You know, philosophy is the great equalizer, both a slave and an emperor can be a stoic. I notice you point out the emperor, but do you know of the slave Epictetus? “It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters.” ― Epictetus You see this video has nothing to do with stoicism but everything to do with your agenda. You are not a stoic, nor a philosopher. You see the world as nothing more than pain and pleasure and what's more you abdicate your responsibility and place it on some unknowable other, some boogieman. “Here is a rule to remember in future, when anything tempts you to feel bitter: not "This is misfortune," but "To bear this worthily is good fortune.” ― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations You know Marcus has the perfect explanation of god or gods. If god or gods exists and they're good then they won't care how devout you have been, but rather how good or virtuous you are. If god or gods exist and they're evil then it is better not to have worshipped them. If no gods exist than it is worth it to be remember by you friends and kin as a good man. You see we are meant to live in accordance with our nature as rational social animals. We live for each other so we must educate them, or bear with them. We are meant to be virtuous and virtue is knowledge and vice is ignorance.
Of all the people to shake me out of a hidden nihilism that I didn’t even realise I was in, the last person I expected to do so was this man. This legend. Sir, thank you for saving my life.
Hello Boss. I was in a chat on a modern stoic channel and noticed that they are encouraging people to break away from the group and abandon their families, encouraging solitude, which is actually loneliness and abandonment. I took action. I wrote about what you, Boss, taught us about not straying away from the group. I received an explanation from the channel owner that he would make a video explaining the power of the group, after reading my comment. I didn't wait to see that video. I left the channel. Thank you Boss. Be honorable❤
A bomb was explode. Really good content Bratan. I posted same yesterday on my insta. In German we have the Wort Last, some thing you care and we have Belastung something that weakens you. I didn't knew Aurelius' quite but I figured out the same. If you have to carry something for a purpose it's good. Sometime it's heavy to care for beloved but this is not weaken you. But if you do it without purpose it will suck you out. This is what work society does. Suki system sucks people out. Even their good souls. Be aware, but also be open hearted. Choose for your own which when. Thanks grim people. Stay honorable.
I've learnt a lot for the last several years. A LOT. I was reading masses of different books, articles and other letters, and the worst part is - that I thought them to be the TRUTH. However, only now I am realizing what was the real truth and what's the untruth. In the end, one thing is crystal clear - I know nothing but poisonous lies. Stay Strong. Be cautious. Be with God. Always.
Money is not meant to control people rather it is meant to be put to work producing more money for you. You cannot build wealth without putting money in its rightful place.
Thanks for the advice! I'm new to financial planning and wasn't sure where to start. Any tips on finding a reliable financial adviser or resource to guide beginners?
As a beginner, it's essential for you to have a mentor that is verified by finra and SEC to keep you accountable. I'm guided by a widely known financial consultant Stacey Macken
We all understood this message because we know we can not lie to each others. Life is short! Thx Grim ! You are the one who finds words for the way to my balance ! Be honorable !
What I love most about this is his willingness to change and adapt to what he knows to be right based on the conviction of his own experience. And when his heart changed his mind instead of not saying anything he came strait to the people who listen and have listened in the past and explains why honestly and with integrity! LIVE HONORABLY!
“If anyone can refute me-show me I’m making a mistake or looking at things from the wrong perspective-I’ll gladly change. It’s the truth I’m after, and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance.” ~ Marcus Aurelius
Nice, I started out thinking this looks too staged and planned but ..love the content! Beware of anything that becomes mainstream - totally see your point. Keep up your important message brother, God bless you
Marcus Aurelius never intended his work for publication. Meditations were recordings his private thoughts. Anyway, the guy in the video is a complete idiot pushing his empty conspiracy fear-mongering theories and making enemies out of thin air. He critiques stoicism for all the wrong reasons you can obviously see his bias, as a middle aged russian man having lived under the totalitarian soveti regime. The truth is that duffering is an unavoidable part of existence. You can overthrow governments but you can't trascend death. Stoicism, like numerous other ideologies provides an answer to that. Also, the liberating stoic idea of asuming responsibility only for what you can control is the basis of many modern psychotherapeutic approaches and dare I add, an indispensable part of a balanced life. I understand the distrust towards whatever buzzword ideology gains ground in the mainstream, though I can't excuse people proceeding to critique it without understanding it or presenting it fairly. This video is a prime example of that. The fact that this guy speaks in a serious tone and stares at the camera like a psycho doesn't mean he has well-informed philosophical opinions. Do your own research.
It turned into a competition of who can go the longest without and believing it gave them super powers when in reality it really teaches discipline. If you master yourself you can do anything.
I started actually 2 weeks ago reading a book about stoicism during travel to my work instead of newspaper. I practiced already many of those things without knowing it. Now I understand the development in my life. Love it👊
I disagree actually. The meaning of it is not to take blame for others, but to not waste the energy on blaming. Identify the source of your problems and fix it - this is the meaning, and this is how it should be interpreted. Stoicyzm itself and stoic philosophers are not the problem - problem is interpretation or rather narrative around it.
One of my old music teachers told me "There is no greatness without pain." He was right. That aside, your take on modern stoicism is absolutely right. You articulate the con that's being run on us perfectly.
I also find it impractical bs when people say you can actually endure the suffering without knowing there is a higher purpose or hope at the end of the tunnel. No one wants to go through pain just for the heck of it.
This guy explained so well why I don't watch the stoic videos that come into my recommendations. I could feel it that they were fake or incomplete but I didn't know how I knew but he explained it perfectly
Stoicism isn't simply being emotionless. It's about controlling your emotions and learning to think critically and calculatively during the heat of the moment. Once you've mastered the "art" of being level headed during any situation you can win.
“The stoic principles and the power of God are not opposites but complementaries”. That is absolutely true, in fact that is what Christianity is about. Also science and faith in God are not opposites as the mainstream ideology wants you to think, they are completely complementaries too. Don’t fall for the propaganda people and don’t turn your back on God because you think that you don’t need it or you know better
This is the Best channel in this sucktube, thanks for showing me this! The society need to see this, i been sharing this with all my friends. Be honorable! God bless you Grim
It was all pain from external sources. On the ohter hand, Almost all pains is from external sources including these internal - let me explain - many mental and physical troubles are from disturbed biochemistry and this human biochemical unbalances are from poisoning you by modern type of war against people - by biochemical war which change mothers who give birth sick childs mentaly and physically. It is not seen at first.. because it is internal but it is.. Thank you for nice video "power of God"
That's exactly what I needed. Recently Jesus found me. And year ago I dig myself out of problems with stoicism. Since the God found me I am reading Ryan Holidays comment to stoic wisdom differently. The ancients believed in higher power, contemporary stoics like Holiday ignore those references and act like there is no God. The link between godless society promoted by elites and stoicism adoption makes sense. Thank you!
I totally agree. Modern Stoicism is about accepting hopelessness which is the mental condition every slave requires to be a good slave for their masters.
Not just stoicism but the entire concept of self improvement most of western philosophy pushes is geared towards increasing productivity and manufacturing effective workers.
From the fourth century BC onwards, philosophers often taught in the stoa. (Stoa Poikile) He means that some people don't try to make god or religious beliefs incompatible with philosophy while others do.
I loooved you master , after I knew you were standing for our side in matter of far from weak , You really owe us a lot , I really would stand by your side in any matter , wherever I could reach , you owe me that
Thank You, Andrycha !!! For This Thoroughly Enlightening Advice About Stoicism. Carry On, FORWARD,Grim Hustle !!! BE HONORABLE !!! Beware The Suki !!! 👍👍👍
I can totally see what you are saying, there are many people adopting this new concept of stoicism, but they are misunderstanding it and think being stoic is to be passive and accepting to all problems and think that is a strength. I can see how a tyrannical controlling system would love everyone to be passive and accepting to everything they dictate.
If you like, read the street smart novel... "Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke." It explains much. Very much. AND, it is rather congruent with Grim Hustle videos, friends. Interesting thoughts... are interesting thoughts, indeed! Bravo, friends.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro
00:24 Modern Stoicism is a Problem
01:02 Concept of Pain
02:53 There is no God
03:55 Find your Voices
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You suki , you did not do
Anything to ffw !!!
You and him did join each other to scam us
And gain more views !!!
Screenshot this bois before he deletes my comment !!!
Remember we are in Africa how do you think about modern doomer
You are confused bratan, your critique of stoicism is a communist perspective. Your critique of Communism is from a misunderstanding of history.
@@Alpha-revolt exactly , hes a fraud just like far from weak
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It is for the same reason that Aristotle is being buried. It is in Aristotle's virtue ethics that the Stoics derived their principles. But much simplification was made because Aristotle is more demanding in the development of virtue. The Heroic Character (fighting for what is right, even if the chance of defeat is high) was completely forgotten. In the end, modern stoicism has been converted into a product to increase productivity. A performance-driven society in which one's life becomes a product to be sold to a market. People became obsessed with seeking an ideal performance for work and aesthetics and forgot their roots, their honor, and God.
Very well said
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I needed to read this. Thank you.
U said it perfectly, buddy.
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I have said that for years... they hijacked stoicism and made a "cool sounding" Nihilism out of it...
Well put.
Yeah, since it got hyped up you have all these wanabe sigma males who failed to be a alpha go into this modern stoicism. Stoicism is about discipline, living according to nature in the end and not fuzzing about what you cannot control. Thats it.
Yeah, bacically doomers.
Yep!
Good observation
Agree 👍 Ancient Stoicism wasn't about being negative but about being realistic and focusing on what one can control. The Romans were people of action and sometimes even killed their politicians and governors when they betrayed their people.
Yeah agreed. Diogenes is one stoic influence of mine. I also embrace minimalism because after owning things, I found it was empty. Just to impress others who I did not like in the first place. If someone wants an expensive car. That is there choice. I would rather live simply and drive an old car, fewer problems that way. Envy and Jealously cause problems in this modern era.
100%
Until the time of the Caesars then most of the killing of corrupt politicians stopped. That is why Tacitus said that while he didn't respect the Germanic tribes if Rome was to survive, they needed to adopt their morals and family values.
The problem is, Stoicism has no offense even Marcus Aurelius was cucked by his wife. It was created by Zeno of Citium and it sure feels like a Psyop.
@@PsycheOSand then good ol’ Marc made her bathe in the cucker’s blood. Seems like offence to me.
"Two things cause people to be destroyed: fear of poverty and seeking superiority through pride."
-Ali Ibn Abi Talib
Iman Ali was certaily one of the greatest spiritual geniuses in History.
Sunni Moslüms aren't such brilliant . they were dumb .
Shia Muslims are genius
@@fabianludwigschmidtsamson7584 indeed
He was a small time thief & a Pedo.
#1 Ignorance of facts and reality with submission to unjust misleadership.
Do not listen to the voices that have been amplified. Listen to the voices that have been silenced.
Wow! Well said. ❤
Fuentes, Taylor, Vincent James etc..
More importantly, listen to God. He shall never be silenced, for His Word, Jesus the Christ, endures forever (Isaiah 40:8; Luke 21:33; John 1:1).
Martin Luther King Jr., Malcom X, Fred Hampton, Huey P. Newton, etc.
@@justinunion7586 Martin Luther King is mainstream & a total fraud
"God is on everyone's side if you step away from evil." Soo true.
So deep!
The risk with anything going mainstream, is people lose sight of the nuance that it comes with.
Marcus Aurelius was also a warrior and general, so even he knew that stoicism has its limits. He never once said to accept artificial suffering created by humans. Only to accept the natural suffering of the world. But if a human is imposing or manufacturing artificial suffering that is effecting you, that's where stoicism ends, and the fight to assert once existence begins.
Well said, people don't seem to understand. They are bussy with dogmatic aproaches to some quote but as with all philosophy, there are allot of perspectives to bring to the table.
Quite so.
One can make persuasively that money is the foundation of monotheism.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
- Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Yours not to reason why;
Yours but to do and die.
- Eugene Debs
Well, as Epictetus said: focus on what you can control. And definetly you can control if you suffer what other humans want you to suffer.
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ones existence*
To hell with those godless, suki, false stoics. Stay humble, stay hungry... stay honorable.
Lol..."to hell with..."...you really sound full of God😂😂😂...🤡
@@DrifterSpirit9why does this offend you?
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Stay honorable
No . Don't stay hungry. That's the mainstream ideology. Be fulfilled.
This video just gives way to the idea that you must not read to discover what the author thinks. You must read to discover what you think.
A very profound statement...It's not the principles, but the difference between how you interpret something vs. what the author wants you to interpret something...
Well said 👌
Find out what the author thinks. I'm interested in their interpretation, to understand why they thought, spoke and acted as they did. That may help me discover what I think, but I'm more interested in the author.
This is my opinion of all art. People are always like “what was this artist trying to say?” I’m like “I don’t care what the author was trying to say.”
@@mitchjohnson4714This is why we get stuff like the rings of power. We don't need to know what we say. We need to know what the author wants and what is his message. We should be able to understand what it is written, not to make an understanding of our own
Stoicism is just a buzzword these days - lots of people _think_ they like the idea but few actually practice it. I believe the actual key to life is to find a noble, challenging goal that's larger than just yourself, and pursue it with all the focus, passion, discipline, Truth, and Honor you can muster. Take care of your loved ones too, and leave a bit of time to enjoy life. You'll stumble at this, of course, but just get BACK UP! Do that, and you'll have very few regrets at the end of your life. Start NOW!
I believe this is 100% correct.
Stoicism is a scam
Marcus Aurelius appointed new emperor his most idiotic son and caused the decline of the Roman Empire
Marcus Aurelius presented himself as " the wise man" but this is his outcome
@@andreainzaghi7373 Read Seneca's Letters to Lucilius. It's way better than Aurelius' writings.
same as democracy....
Noted.
there's a difference between enduring a bad situation so yo can overcome it, and lying to yourself that it doesn't matter
Agree
Only accept the pain you choose, not the pain chosen for you.
Bruh that’s nonsense. Yes you can refuse the pain that is coming from corrupt systems. But no man can decide what pain nature itself will bring
@@fatedoesntdiscriminateYou are not fighting against his argument, you are simply slicing his perspective into its two respective sides and demonstrating both the for and against.
@@fatedoesntdiscriminate Tell me you don't understand, without telling me you don't understand it. Think a little harder.
@@micklyons8858 Example: Do women get to "choose" the pain of child birth? No. "Choosing" to accept it or not is nonsense. You are taking Grim's quote out of context.
@@procyonlotor1906 I don't believe any one of you is any more right than the other and are simply explaining both sides of the argument.
Stoicism should be combined with awareness and internal true voice
Aurelius mentions these, logos and nature
stoicim should be combined with knowledge of history and so giving up stoicism
True stoicism it is because only in the stoicism that comes from God the devoted student will always find awarnes guided by his souls voice. Separate evil from good and you will start not only to feel what is right and what is wrong, who is good and who is bad, but you will also understand how it can be done acording to the principles of God, and from that point no ones can decive you in false thinking.
Because it doesn't work, especially this fake crap of pretending that you have all of this control over your life, when there are widespread engineering/manufacturing/causations of tons of stuff (including countless diseases, illnesses, medical conditions [both physical & mental]) that people cannot control. People don't even know the toxins (it's not just processed food, or soda pop, that barely scratches the surface) they're being exposed to on a regular basis, they "trust the science," which coupled with medical establishments have been poisoning/harming (even covertly murdering) countless.
Most people can't figure out the basics. Most people don't understand Occam's Razor, correlation/causations, analysis of their environments/etc. The overwhelming majority don't even understand Truth (what truth actually is)!
and the most important, Virtue. people consume all kind of "Stoic content" out there instead of reading the books from the ancient Stoics themselves.
Stoics don’t just roll over. When Marcus Aurelius was dying, and he was betrayed by his greatest general, what did he do? He crushed his old friend.
Stoics don’t say to ignore pain, just to not wallow in it!
Exactly, I think this video explains it a bit incorrectly.
"If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself. But to your estimate of it". This stoic quote by Marcus Aurelius doesn't necessarily mean to ignore the pain inflicted upon you by an enemy which is so naive but there are things in life that are out of your control which you should tolerate and deal with rather than to complain and suffer like a child. That is the main tenets of stoicism but not to prefer to be weak and helpless victim.
EXACTLY. This is what I think as well. It is about staying strong and keeping going if you fall to the ground or are hurt. Understanding why it happened can help you avoid it like Grim Hustle here says. To be fucking honest, if you don't listen to both this RUclips channel and the ancient philosophy of Stoicism (btw, stoicism and Stoicism are separate things), and even if you ignore ALL IDEOLOGIES AND BELIEFS, it remains FUCKING LOGICAL from the standpoint of evolution to adapt to conditions. Depression and sadness is a way to wake up, but it can be a way to give up too. You need to keep going, no matter what the fuck is happening. It's natural, going beyond any human idea.
He wasn’t saying ignore the pain. It was in conjuncture to how the modern day stoicism speaks about how to deal and accept said pain period. Nothing more.
True level of stoicism is the intertwining of God’s purpose for said pain and the strength He gave you to endure, succeed and grow from.
I disagree - stocism actively promotes a passive "make the best of it mindset". Just read Zeno of Citium's parable of the dog and the cart. At no point does he suggest the possibility of overpowering the cart and asserting one's destiny or will - he only promptes a "higher" form of slavishness by following the will of the cart as though it was his own.
@@wantedpwnerYou’d sound more intelligent if you didn’t have to cuss
Just as an example of the quote, say you meet a woman, you end up falling for her but she chooses someone else. That is suffering and it is external pain, physically you are unhurt but mentally you are distressed. What the quote means by your estimation of it is that your interpretation of the events is causing you pain, not the thing itself. Many people in life give themselves pain the quote is about not letting your thoughts weaken you. It isn't about being a punching bag.
Even if stoicism is pushed mainstream, I do not see very much people who practice it.
You are right. That's because Stoicism is first and foremost a state of mind that you are born with or happen to acquire through real experience and not just read about it. I was a Stoic before I ever knew there was an ancient philosophy of Stoicism. When I learned about it I was relieved that there is nothing wrong with my understanding of life.
All the more reason to adopt it in my opinion.
@@paulmunro3175 r u dumb?
The objective is to exhibit the product whether they buy into it or not eventually when they do buy into it then contaminate the minds with the need & then you can manipulate & control the masses
Stoicisim with a bad purpose becomes bad..if you endure pain, when the root cause of it is evil, or shallow, you only become an accomplice. That is what the video is about. Learn
Never bow down to injustice, no matter how stoic you are or have been
I agree with everything with Grim except unconditional respect for blood family.
This is why God is more important than blood family.
Not all of us had decent, ethical or loving parents.
If evil can exist in humanity it can also exist in a father or even in a mother.
This is why God is our true home, our true father and mother. Our roots.
Right, you don't have to worship your parents as God, but even they have flaws, God gave us the commandment to respect them and we have to do it. Because God says, "Everyone who loves Me, follows My commandments".
Chuuuuuuuuurch. 🙌🫡💯
Its true
Amen
All wisdom comes with contextual limits.
The ones that have been send by God into more dificult paths, are the ones stronger, wiser and with big hearths at the soul core. They will need the most to love against all odds, against acts made on them by hate or domestic violence by their unhealed parents, but despise everything, they would heal the ground by not only leting his downfall to arive, but raising above all odds and stand the ground to propper heal, develop and enhance its own abilities. Remember friend, even if you have all reasons to take revenge, be above them and your own desires to payback, but with the sadly cost to become one of them and lose your spark. You can be much more above that, always. And in the end, if you tried and still can't love them, atleast don't hate them, maibe time will give you much more answers as it passes by. And even if time can't answer your questions, keep in mind that in the end they surely did one thing right, you!
Pain is Weak ...Don't Be Silent... Always Honorable 🎖
We do not train to feel pain
Virtue is the central pillar of stoicism and never gets a mention!!
That and the proper development of one's reason via good logic. The social media gatekeepers of the diluted version of stoicism never emphasize these aspects of the philosophy.
@@thebarbelllifestyle1478yup 100% , just the latest hippy life hack , doesn't reflect true nature of stoicism at all !!
That's because they are virtueless. They don't mention something that they don't have
@@deanodog3667 and yet this man is an epicurean, who see life as nothing but pleasure and pain
The strongest message “ God is on every ones side if you step away from evil “ it protects people and provides inner and outer strength beyond imagination 🕊️🌟🙏
The spiritual message in this video is very profound. Buddhism, Taoism and eastern philosophy will never protect anyone from totalitarianism the way the Old Testament does.
See Crusades. Short version: To heck with nature and humans made in His image . Lie cheat steal kill desecrate the sacred and the Natural.
Ancient stoicism is the only stoicism.
At a bottom line:turn off tv,stop watching BS on net,avoid idi.ts,stay focused,be ready.
Ready for?
Your content gets better, deeper and more important by the day. True words being spoken carry power. The evil powers will perish under our righteous force. Be honorable.
In the ancient world, even in Marcus Aurelius, Stoicism and Epicureanism both became huge coping mechanisms. No progress, no real improvement was possible, the only rational option was to accept your lot quietly and calmly, be you Emperor or slave. Christianity said "Through sin, there is suffering, but you can, through Grace, make things better for yourself and those immediately around you ".
Reading Epictetus should be a starting point to understand Stoicism. He literally tells you to be ready to die for what is right and not be afraid of it.
He was banished by the corrupt and tyrannical government of Rome in his time.
It's basically your choice, if you wanna do what is right and just, do it 100% and be ready to die for what is right.
Modern RUclips-stoicism is trash.
Marcus'es stoicism wasnt really about artificiall suffering, but about natural suffering and change.
As an Emperor, General and warrior he himself shouldve known the limits of the Stoa.
“If anyone tells you that a certain person speaks ill of you, do not make excuses about what is said of you but answer, "He was ignorant of my other faults, else he would not have mentioned these alone.”
― Epictetus
You were never a stoic; you are an epicurean at best using sophist rhetoric to promote your own ideas.
Life is more than pleasure and pain, and if you wish to live a happy life it is within your power to do so. What's more is that you can do so right now.
“Very little is needed to make a happy life; it is all within yourself in your way of thinking.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
Stoics fear only abdicating their responsibility and failing to live up to their potential as a human being. You know, philosophy is the great equalizer, both a slave and an emperor can be a stoic. I notice you point out the emperor, but do you know of the slave Epictetus?
“It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters.”
― Epictetus
You see this video has nothing to do with stoicism but everything to do with your agenda. You are not a stoic, nor a philosopher. You see the world as nothing more than pain and pleasure and what's more you abdicate your responsibility and place it on some unknowable other, some boogieman.
“Here is a rule to remember in future, when anything tempts you to feel bitter: not "This is misfortune," but "To bear this worthily is good fortune.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
You know Marcus has the perfect explanation of god or gods.
If god or gods exists and they're good then they won't care how devout you have been, but rather how good or virtuous you are. If god or gods exist and they're evil then it is better not to have worshipped them. If no gods exist than it is worth it to be remember by you friends and kin as a good man.
You see we are meant to live in accordance with our nature as rational social animals. We live for each other so we must educate them, or bear with them. We are meant to be virtuous and virtue is knowledge and vice is ignorance.
I don't know if you'll be amplified, or silenced one day. thanks for reminding us that the enemy is everywhere, every fucking day.
Of all the people to shake me out of a hidden nihilism that I didn’t even realise I was in, the last person I expected to do so was this man. This legend. Sir, thank you for saving my life.
The problem is to many people are taking it and watering it down!
Hello Boss.
I was in a chat on a modern stoic channel and noticed that they are encouraging people to break away from the group and abandon their families, encouraging solitude, which is actually loneliness and abandonment.
I took action. I wrote about what you, Boss, taught us about not straying away from the group. I received an explanation from the channel owner that he would make a video explaining the power of the group, after reading my comment. I didn't wait to see that video. I left the channel.
Thank you Boss.
Be honorable❤
Self-importance is a hidden form of self-pity.
Just be a fucking normal person
how so?
@@wantedpwner Fucking true and it sounds cool as fucking fuck when you say "fuck" too.
@@wantedpwner what's your definition of "normal"
Thank you Grim Andrycha !!!
A bomb was explode. Really good content Bratan. I posted same yesterday on my insta. In German we have the Wort Last, some thing you care and we have Belastung something that weakens you. I didn't knew Aurelius' quite but I figured out the same. If you have to carry something for a purpose it's good. Sometime it's heavy to care for beloved but this is not weaken you. But if you do it without purpose it will suck you out. This is what work society does. Suki system sucks people out. Even their good souls. Be aware, but also be open hearted. Choose for your own which when.
Thanks grim people. Stay honorable.
"God is on everyone's side, if you step away from evil." that's beautiful.
I've learnt a lot for the last several years. A LOT.
I was reading masses of different books, articles and other letters,
and the worst part is - that I thought them to be the TRUTH.
However, only now I am realizing what was the real truth and what's the untruth.
In the end, one thing is crystal clear - I know nothing but poisonous lies.
Stay Strong. Be cautious.
Be with God. Always.
Keep reading, but keep questioning. Ultimately you will have to decide what the truth is.
Money is not meant to control people rather it is meant to be put to work producing more money for you. You cannot build wealth without putting money in its rightful place.
You're correct!! I make a lot of money without relying on the government. Investing in stocks and digital currencies is beneficial at this moment.
Thanks for the advice! I'm new to financial planning and wasn't sure where to start. Any tips on finding a reliable financial adviser or resource to guide beginners?
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Stacey demonstrates an excellent understanding of market trends, making well informed decisions that leads to consistent profit
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Truth is true power💯
Pain is not in fact the problem, but the way you interpret it (detaching from your own emotions)
It’s important to balance acceptance with critical analysis of suffering to foster a more resilient and empowered approach to life’s challenges. 🔑
you are everywhere dude
Can you please explain what he mean with the concept of pain?
We all understood this message because we know we can not lie to each others. Life is short! Thx Grim ! You are the one who finds words for the way to my balance ! Be honorable !
So True...Such wisdom in modern times is very Rare Salute🎆
What I love most about this is his willingness to change and adapt to what he knows to be right based on the conviction of his own experience. And when his heart changed his mind instead of not saying anything he came strait to the people who listen and have listened in the past and explains why honestly and with integrity! LIVE HONORABLY!
Honoured always
“If anyone can refute me-show me I’m making a mistake or looking at things from the wrong perspective-I’ll gladly change. It’s the truth I’m after, and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance.” ~ Marcus Aurelius
THIS CHANNEL IS FOOD FOR THE SOUL💯
The highest power is misunderstood and hustled by liars... Truth requires the humility, of honor.
Did he just mention Justin Martyr? Mind blown...Христос воскресе! Khristos voskrese!
Nice, I started out thinking this looks too staged and planned but ..love the content! Beware of anything that becomes mainstream - totally see your point. Keep up your important message brother, God bless you
Aurelius spoke like an emperor.
He's human, so are you. Why don't you speak?
Yeah. That's probably because he was one.
@@winfriedmaus my point would be that his mindset was of a man god, his point of view has been altered by something that plebs will never experience.
Funny how he didnt agree with Christianity tho and persecuted them.
He was a magnificient Emperor though indeed.
Marcus Aurelius never intended his work for publication. Meditations were recordings his private thoughts. Anyway, the guy in the video is a complete idiot pushing his empty conspiracy fear-mongering theories and making enemies out of thin air. He critiques stoicism for all the wrong reasons you can obviously see his bias, as a middle aged russian man having lived under the totalitarian soveti regime. The truth is that duffering is an unavoidable part of existence. You can overthrow governments but you can't trascend death. Stoicism, like numerous other ideologies provides an answer to that. Also, the liberating stoic idea of asuming responsibility only for what you can control is the basis of many modern psychotherapeutic approaches and dare I add, an indispensable part of a balanced life. I understand the distrust towards whatever buzzword ideology gains ground in the mainstream, though I can't excuse people proceeding to critique it without understanding it or presenting it fairly. This video is a prime example of that. The fact that this guy speaks in a serious tone and stares at the camera like a psycho doesn't mean he has well-informed philosophical opinions. Do your own research.
That was actually a very good definition, how to be stoic in a right way, and implement it in a different twists and turns of life.
Marcus Aurelius isn't modern stoicism. He is actual, original source stoicism. Modern stoicism is guys like Holiday, Pigliucci etc.
This man should be the entire American Education System Czar!
Same with Semen Retention...
As Oscar Wilde said if its popular its probably wrong
It turned into a competition of who can go the longest without and believing it gave them super powers when in reality it really teaches discipline. If you master yourself you can do anything.
Damn, this is one dangerous dude. He's not only a hard-ass, but seems super intelligent. A mix that makes him someone you don't want as an enemy.
This channel is special.
I started actually 2 weeks ago reading a book about stoicism during travel to my work instead of newspaper. I practiced already many of those things without knowing it. Now I understand the development in my life. Love it👊
The biggest con job is the premise foisted on us ‘don’t blame others for your problems’ !
I disagree actually. The meaning of it is not to take blame for others, but to not waste the energy on blaming. Identify the source of your problems and fix it - this is the meaning, and this is how it should be interpreted. Stoicyzm itself and stoic philosophers are not the problem - problem is interpretation or rather narrative around it.
One of my old music teachers told me "There is no greatness without pain." He was right. That aside, your take on modern stoicism is absolutely right. You articulate the con that's being run on us perfectly.
Thank you Bratan!❤
Thank you so much, I really needed that! I am seeing as well a increase in minister preaching. God is not religion.
Agreed. I think its being pushed to further pagan movements but really christianity and stoicism are not mutually exclusive
I m surprised,wow did not expected this guy to be so intelligent and profound,thank you for your service to humanity .
He was in john wick 4, he really matches the vibr
I also find it impractical bs when people say you can actually endure the suffering without knowing there is a higher purpose or hope at the end of the tunnel. No one wants to go through pain just for the heck of it.
This guy explained so well why I don't watch the stoic videos that come into my recommendations. I could feel it that they were fake or incomplete but I didn't know how I knew but he explained it perfectly
What a great video! So true!
That’s a powerful message - get out of the systems that make us weak~
Be Honourable ❤
Stoicism isn't simply being emotionless. It's about controlling your emotions and learning to think critically and calculatively during the heat of the moment. Once you've mastered the "art" of being level headed during any situation you can win.
Don't Suffer For Others, Just Take The Agony To Grow Up.
This is the exact thing he was speaking against. 🤦🏻♂️
@@iEMMANU3L The Book Of Job I Meant.
“The stoic principles and the power of God are not opposites but complementaries”.
That is absolutely true, in fact that is what Christianity is about. Also science and faith in God are not opposites as the mainstream ideology wants you to think, they are completely complementaries too. Don’t fall for the propaganda people and don’t turn your back on God because you think that you don’t need it or you know better
People in the USSR had more God than all Western countries have together nowadays.
yes maybe the people not the ussr system
That’s why he said “the people”.
And how did that work out for them?
@@LlopmondDunderbridge-nn2xt Being a menace until their godless system fell. even then their people did remain strong, but their country tho? eh...
This was true wisdom!! I'm glad I had the pleasure of receiving it💯💪🏾
Thanks bratan!
This is the Best channel in this sucktube, thanks for showing me this! The society need to see this, i been sharing this with all my friends. Be honorable! God bless you Grim
C bogom means with god
Actions are everything, no words ever will do the job for you. There are positive and negative effects in everything.
It was all pain from external sources. On the ohter hand, Almost all pains is from external sources including these internal - let me explain - many mental and physical troubles are from disturbed biochemistry and this human biochemical unbalances are from poisoning you by modern type of war against people - by biochemical war which change mothers who give birth sick childs mentaly and physically. It is not seen at first.. because it is internal but it is.. Thank you for nice video "power of God"
Thank you.
Good explanation
No wonder why my brain and heart hurts so much, thanks Grim!
Thank you
That's exactly what I needed. Recently Jesus found me. And year ago I dig myself out of problems with stoicism. Since the God found me I am reading Ryan Holidays comment to stoic wisdom differently. The ancients believed in higher power, contemporary stoics like Holiday ignore those references and act like there is no God. The link between godless society promoted by elites and stoicism adoption makes sense. Thank you!
I trust you 💯
I totally agree. Modern Stoicism is about accepting hopelessness which is the mental condition every slave requires to be a good slave for their masters.
God is true Power 💪✝️
Not just stoicism but the entire concept of self improvement most of western philosophy pushes is geared towards increasing productivity and manufacturing effective workers.
How is "stoa" defined in this video? Google doesn't seem to be helpful in providing a definition. There it seems to mean a "safe, public space".
From the fourth century BC onwards, philosophers often taught in the stoa. (Stoa Poikile)
He means that some people don't try to make god or religious beliefs incompatible with philosophy while others do.
Salute Grim Hustle, This man just spit the ultimate i mean ultimate facts. 🙏 Peace and blessings to You all.
Plz re-upload to video
How to hide your assets in modern time
it was banned by RUclips
I loooved you master , after I knew you were standing for our side in matter of far from weak ,
You really owe us a lot , I really would stand by your side in any matter , wherever I could reach , you owe me that
Very strong message with A LOT of clear insights. Thanks a lot!
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
and Wisdom to know the difference.
Always love such deep analysis by you Grim. Lot of truth in this one as well like some of your other videos 👍👍👍
Thank You, Andrycha !!! For This Thoroughly Enlightening Advice About Stoicism. Carry On, FORWARD,Grim Hustle !!! BE HONORABLE !!! Beware The Suki !!! 👍👍👍
The best things I hear I hear on this channel
Thank you
I never looked at it like that. Thank You Mr. Grim. ✌️ and ❤
He is so good. Nowadays comedians don't get it but this guy does!
I can totally see what you are saying, there are many people adopting this new concept of stoicism, but they are misunderstanding it and think being stoic is to be passive and accepting to all problems and think that is a strength. I can see how a tyrannical controlling system would love everyone to be passive and accepting to everything they dictate.
One of them moment where I forgot who this was but knew instantly I was subbed
If you like, read the street smart novel... "Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke." It explains much. Very much. AND, it is rather congruent with Grim Hustle videos, friends. Interesting thoughts... are interesting thoughts, indeed! Bravo, friends.