Kamilah is to Blame? THE GOOD PLACE Reaction | "A Fractured Inheritance" (3x6 Commentary)
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
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"If Donna Shellstrop has truly changed, then that means that she was always capable of change, but I just wasn't worth changing for" BREAKS my heart every time I watch this episode. So well acted, so well written. Also: I always enjoy your reactions, but I especially loved the commentary in this video! Super emotionally intelligent & fleshed out without being overly rambly. Keep up the great work :)
Im so basic, some of my fave jokes are in this episode. “What a fun thing to say something normal”, “Auditorium, more like auto-boremium”, “Good luck with SATs” “I am nine!” Kudos to that kid for that delivery!
This was such a cathartic episode. I loved the family developments of these people. Tahani telling her sister was so lovely.
This is absolutely one of my favourite episodes of this season. Tahani’s realisation that her parents drove Kamilah and her apart and kept them hating one another and competing and that Kamilah is just as broken and lonely as she is really touches me. That hug they share always makes me happy.
And Eleanor’s line about her mother being capable of change but not for her is so powerful, she often talks about how her parents were terrible but in a flippant way so to see the real impact always moves me. And to see how much she’s grown by doing the selfless thing and encouraging her mum to continue to grow and improve, even without her, that’s amazing.
Eleanor's line is one of the most devastating lines in any show, IMO.
This show has such amazing writing.
@@wtimmins I completely agree, it breaks my heart every time, you see just how hurt she is underneath all of her jokes and attitude and bluster.
The writing of this show is wonderful, it’s clever and witty and when it needs to be heartfelt it really works in my opinion.
I really love this episode, for the changed relationships between Tahani and Kamilah, and Eleanor and her mom. It's so huge for their emotional development and I thought it was beautiful. The first time I saw this, and Kamilah finally hugged Tahani, I actually got teary.
For me, it was Eleanor thinking she wasn't enough to love. But on rewatches I start tearing up at the flashback of Tahani and Kamilah being pitted against each other by their parents. They also clearly never gave Tahani a chance to ever win.
We are coming up to my personal favorite run of episodes (not a spoiler because it’s just my opinion). I am really looking forward to your reactions and a chance to experience them again through your first viewing.
It’s amazing to me how this show incorporates such deep relatable themes and really picks them apart while seamlessly weaving in utter silliness and fart jokes.
It’s so very sad that it seems the destiny of parents to traumatize their kids on some way. Obviously, these two sets of parents are overtly monstrous, but even well meaning parents can screw us up.
Both of my parents came from abusive homes (although to this day I don’t think my mom really understands that and she’s turning 75 this fall).
So my parents swung hard the other way. Very loving, very present, very interested. But because of their backgrounds, they didn’t always have the right communication tools. They pushed having a loving family very hard and were easily hurt when my brother and I didn’t get along or when we wanted to break from the family in any way. It wasn’t manipulation at all. They never had a loving family, so it was critical that they build one. Which they did. But it put a ton of pressure on us to never upset them.
For example, Mom would say things like, “I just want you to be happy and I don’t know how to make you happy!” Or when my dad was trying to help me with chemistry homework which I just could not grasp, he would say, “I want you to understand that I’m not frustrated with you. I’m frustrated with myself for not being able to make it clear to you.”
Which are really sweet vulnerable statements and I am absolutely blessed to have them as parents…. BUT. The strain of never wanting to make them feel like failures has me screwed up to this day. I can’t STAND to let anyone down. It makes me hate myself. If someone is ever disappointed in me, I will literally break down. I also always put the needs of others before myself. The most important thing is not to make others feel bad about themselves.
(I want to be very clear here that this was not a daily issue or anything. I had a great childhood. Which is the point. Even great, loving parents are doomed to impact their kids negatively because children are impressionable and parents are human)
The show always makes me emotional, it flows from humor to deep social messages and truths so easily. But this one, this hits hard even on rewatches.
This episode and the one before are two of my absolute favourites in the show, and being careful not to spoil, i think they are really key to the overall themes start to finish.
I dont believe in an afterlife, so in a way the status quo where we are is the most comparable for me - there is no metaphysical reward waiting for the characters, in fact death (irl) or the Bad Place (in the show) is inevitable and will come no matter what we do. But Good should be done to the best of our ability, right now, precisely because we only have the current moment to have any effect. And the results of those Good actions are the reward in themselves.
On a personal level, you cant undo your trauma or erase the effect it had on you. You cant control the people who hurt you or force them to be the best versions of themselves. But you can choose the actions you take towards them and others, and not give up responsibility to that instinct of "ive been hurt so i am going to hurt back, and its not my fault because they are so awful."
That said, dealing with toxic people in your life doesnt have to look like reconciliation; sometimes the best thing is to cut them out, move on, and treat others better than you have been treated.
Yeah, I don't believe in an afterlife, but it's FASCINATING exploring these issues and concepts.
I don't think Kamila is to blame, I think she was drowning in her own trauma. I don't think either Tahani or Kamila understood that they both went through the same trauma together until this episode.
Yeah being pedestalled by your own parents while they drive your sister to resent _you_ more than them is fucking horrible, lonely and confusing for your self esteem. Being the golden child in an abusive household is not a good position to be in.
Just to clarify, I don't at all think Kamilah or Tahani are to blame 😅
@@partycitydumpster One can also be the "golden child" publicly and berated and abused in private. I hated when my mother would brag about my accomplishments to other people, it meant more enraged abuse from her later. *sigh*
Absolutely one of the strongest episodes of the show. It's hilarious and some of the best dramatic scenes from Eleanor and Tahani in the series.
Andy Daly, who plays Elenor’s mom’s boyfriend had a hilarious show on Comedy Central called Review, that is one of my favorite comedies of all time. It’s amazing
It’s also worth pointing out that when Waqas says “Who will be the winning artist…and who will fail?” both of them turn to Kamilah and then Tahani, respectively
Interesting, I don't see Kamilah as spoilt and egocentric, I saw her as pretentious but committed to her cliquey art circle. Given how we've seen Tahani's life - superficiality, desperation for fame and attention, and even when she did try to reform herself and find humility she ended up running a wellness/meditation scam. She's not seeing our Tahani, she's seeing season 1 Tahani, arguably the most artificial of the gang.
Say what you like about Kamilah, she's very invested in her art and I can imagine Tahani's surface level existence repulsed her.
I think Tahani has always been very entitled, and here we're seeing that her apology doesn't make her entitled to that apology being accepted, and she's not understanding that.
Incidentally that's a beautiful picture of Appa at the Western Air Temple.
This was the point in the show when I started to wonder, "where is this all going?" But the end of this episode with reconciliations possible for both Tahani and Eleanor really moved me. This show does do a wonderful job of finding new angles to explore with these beautiful characters.
Favorite episode, personally
One thing to note is that despite changing she never looked for her daughter till Eleanor died thinking her mum was dead.
Now THAT, is an engagement-boosting video title.
I love that our bias to prefer what we know (Tahani and Eleanor) over the unknown is gross when we see Kamila's fans prefer what they know over their unknown.
Again late to the party, but this episode effing hurt because I've been Eleanor with her mum, only with my dad. He was awol my whole childhood and then i hear all the time from his current wife what a great dad he is. That hurts because why wasn't *I* good enough to have him be that for me. I can recognise it was age (very young parents) and understand that he just wasn't in that place at the time. But it still hurts and its still hard to explain that to the inner child who will never understand that.
Such a solid and ridiculous episode. From Michael immediately dropping into bro-code with Dave, to Kamilah being the ultimate caricature of malicious little sister energy, this one just delivers a non-stop series of laughs right up until the emotional damage at the end of both story-lines.
Interesting that I happen to be in Budapest exactly when this episode drops
I guess the issue with judging reactions differently, is that, on a base level, everything is a reaction to something else. On a macro level, the way people behave is a reaction to a combination of upbringing, societal standards & expectations, and innate personality quirks. On a micro level, fear is probably the largest emotion people react too. Kamilah feared losing her parents approval(even after they are dead, that core fear is there), and losing her creative spark. Tahani feared being viewed as irrelavent to her sister, but that fear went away when the afterlife became relavent, as Kamilah's went away upon the realization that she wanted more.
I find it hard to judge actions and reactions, an abused dog snapping at me isnt a fault of the dog, its the life he had that made him that way. Unlike a dog though, Humans, having sapience and the ability to change, but that doesn't make change for the better inherent to our life, people can change for the worse as well. I think a better way to judge is based on reactions to opportunity of change. For example, if Kamilah doubled down upon the second apology from Tahani, that seems worse than turning down the original.
i dont know how to conclude, but those are my thoughts on the matter :)
Kamilah and Tahani's relationship reminds me of Haruka and Kanata's (Little Busters). And it saddens me greatly.
You just watched the (imo) least great (but still good) episodes of this show. Everything after holds up or mostly outranks everything before. I love your reactions and look forward to your analysis of some later things you mentioned before.
i was thinking about Fleabag recently, how there could be a fair bit of blame placed on the Father for being so cold and distant and weird. But then you look at how Claire is a near identical copy of her father, is she then to blame? To the extent that they're all wealthy successful people who could conceivably have time to fix things, perhaps. But it strongly implies Claire needs Fleabag to puncture her thick hide, and this is also likely a mirror of the parents, and then it becomes more of a sketch of how we're all shored up and supported (and enabled) in strange ways by connections. And it's hard to point the finger when you flesh someone out fully. Imagine if these writers tackled the trauma that shaped England-based Pakistani parents of a certain age... actually ugh now I've thought of it, I'd kill to see that
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