Josh Pate On Michigan's 2023 Title Run & Perception (Late Kick Cut)
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2024
- Michigan and Jim Harbaugh enjoyed a run for the ages the last few years that culminated in a national title win last January. On Late Kick Live Ep 508 Josh Pate responded to a viewer question about how this Michigan team will be remembered. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Based on the cheating allegations they shouldn’t have even been in it idc if they won
me: clicks video, hears Josh say "I know all of you have opinions about Michigan", pauses the video 1 second in, scrolls down to see the opinions without watching the video.
Good take by Pate in this one.
Honestly agree with Josh 100%. Last great team that's not littered with 5 stars. Sadly, I think that the CFB natty will be purchased from here on out
Nope don't use that BS narrative players have been bought for decades Keyshawn Johnson and many others Reggie Bush etc have been paid. SEC has been doing this for a long time it's just legal now and coaches still illegally tamper as Nick Saban said himself on national TV.
You can thank covid for the NCAA's allowance of 5th-6th year seniors
@@Mark-zx2bqdamn you crying in all these comments lmaooo
@@DEEZ_CLANGaming right back at ya
How much did connor stallions pay on cameras and tickets? There's a whole spreadsheet of finances
Ok, I’m a Michigan fan and I will readily admit that Michigan choked against TCU but the suggestion that they choked against the 2021 Georgia team is just not true. That Georgia team was leaps and bounds better than Michigan that year and the game was as one sided as you’d expect from that kind of disparity. So Michigan has a 2-1-1 playoff record, 2 wins 1 loss and 1 choke
Michigan wasn't prepared on 2021, they were just happy to be there. They were partying for most of the time.
@@MooseGoBlue Michigan didn't have enough 5th & 6th year covid seniors in 2021
@@Mark-zx2bqWhy don't you name all of the 5th and 6th year seniors for us?
@@treyabbey6477 Because they have already told us that Washington & Michigan had the most 5th & 6th year Covid senior starters in the country this past season. If you want to know beyond that, you can look their names up yourself
@@Mark-zx2bqsounds like you can’t name them 😂
The play that epitomizes this Michigan football season is Blake Corum's TD run right after Zak Zinter left the field with a broken leg. With the help of a home crowd, this team was galvanized for the post-season.
Me sipping my 2023 National Champion coffee mug -- nods head vigorously
lol you drink out of a cheating mug hahahaha
According to the Stallions’ signs chart, “nod head vigorously” means power run up the A gap
@@SatansShart haha nice
That's how many in the last two decades?
The Stallions drama is the piece that fully galvanized that team into a juggernaut. They already had a strong culture and team but it was them v the world and it's a huge component of what made the 2023 season so special for those players
Translation: “Getting caught cheating and rightfully scrutinized for it made them closer as a team.”
Translation: “we didn’t come this far by cheating to blow it now”
@@BlackMountainCyclestranslation: “my team didn’t win the natty, probably got annihilated by Michigan with no signs involved, and am a total whiny bitch to this day”
@@philosophyvids8191 Translation: I’m a delusional fan with zero integrity that doesn’t care that my team cheated and has a *title no one respects.
@@cincydooley translation: "I'm a butthurt osu/msu/nd/bama fan, who knows beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the thing I've been bitching about non-stop for months, had absolutely no impact on the fact my team got body bagged. I sat back and watched Michigan beat penn state, ohio state, alabama and wahington, without stalions or any signs, and won the natty. While I clung to the notion that it was all because of stalions, and its all going to be vacated, because im incredibly butthurt."
there fixed it for you :)
I agree with you 100percnt I've seen them trending towards greatness for the last 5 year's doing it right makes a difference GO DAWGS!
Hey Josh just wanted to drop your line as a Michigan fan and tell you thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for the respect that you have given my team and for the kind words it means the world to me and I'm sure it means the world to the Michigan players!!!!! so much respect I have for you Josh again thanks sincerely bub...
No one respects those cheaters.
@@cincydooleyosu got stomped
@@philosophyvids8191 Michigan cheated?
@@cincydooleyhow many signs did they steal against the buttguys this year? 0? So it was a level playing field and you still lost?
Got it. 😂🫵
@@philosophyvids8191 lol. Thanks for letting me know you’re about 15.
Get back to me when Michigan gets their sanctions or has a winning record against Ohio State during your lifetime.
Michigan definitely choked against TCU. That TCU team was the luckiest team in the world, and the natty proved it. Michigan would’ve at least kept it close with Georgia.
Not having Blake hurt vs Tcu. Still should have won though.
McCarthy and Stalions choked.
Connor Stallions didn't steal any tcu signs
I think Michigan would have regrouped in practice that week and given Georgia an epic showdown. Would have been an incredible championship game. Guess we'll never know.
@@hispanieldaniel that Jason Autrey officiating crew didn't help either
Write the book, automatic bestseller 〽️🏈
Wouldn't be good for anything but starting a campfire
A true crime novel?
LoL no one is buying that shit.
Go Blue
Thats the glory of this Michigan team. When what Connor did came out, everyone figured thats why they won. And Michigan responded again, and again, and again, and squashed all those accusations. Truly a special college football team
Michigan's record against the spread with/without Connor tells a different story, but at the end of the day there are a ton of factors that went into Michigan winning the title. They were loaded with talent and coached very well. However, we'll never truly know how much the advanced scouring helped them, so this season will always have a giant question mark. Oh well.
@domtheserialhobbyist bro what? They won every game after it all came out so it didn't do much at all😭 with your logic, I can look at the spread of every game, and if it wasn't covered then there must not have been cheating. Like huh??
@domtheserialhobbyist Before Signgate broke, the whole country was saying "Michigan just hasn't played anybody yet." After Signgate broke, Michigan started playing ranked teams for the first time that year...including #17 Iowa, #7 Penn State, #2 Ohio State, #4 Alabama, & #2 Washington. Before Signgate, Michigan hadn't played a single ranked team much less 4 in the top ten. So of course things tightened up.
Additionally, JJ was hobbled by an ankle injury from the Penn State game. It was bad enough that he didn't practice in the week before the next game against Maryland (and it showed). He wasn't really mobile again until perhaps the playoffs.
@@leojanuszewski1019 Exactly. There are a lot of variables to consider. People who only talk about the advanced scouting are being disingenuous. But you have to include it in the conversation when you talk about this team.
@@The__Kipster I'm not trying to argue that Michigan would not have won the title if Connor was never connected to the program, only that we don't know how big of an impact it had. He was involved for multiple years so you have to also consider how it could have helped with retaining talent and recruiting. It's complex, lots of variables. It is what it is.
Bo is smiling down on us 😂
Bo #1
JH #2
2023 was the last season of real college football for the forseeable future.
Because it will soon be back to 9-3 for Michigan right?
keep crying buddy the sport will always be great
The top of the sport has gotten progressively worse every year since 2019
keep saying that, cheaters
Perfection video Josh. I called you out @ both the PSU and OH games when I saw you. Could not find you @ Rose to heckle u lol. This is redemption for you. Well said my friend.
Great take man
Go Blue 〽️🤟
Thank you Michigan, players, coaches and fans. I have rewatched the RoseBowl game a dozen times. One of the all time great college football game.
I’m not a fan of Michigan or Alabama…. Go Utah !!!!
I finally forgive you for picking against Michigan so many times last year. Well I’m subscribed so I couldn’t of been too mad at you😂
Michigan’s ability to recruit and develop may be the best in the nation. They bring in hard workers and put out top performers. They went through Ohio State, Alabama and a team with the most top shelf talent drafted this year in Washington. Hate them for whatever reason but you damn well better respect them.
UGA would still crush Michigan
Lol, Michigan was 2nd in the country in having the most 5th & 6th year seniors last season, behind Washington, thanks to covid.
@@dare2554Georgia had their shot but they lost to Bama 😂. Saying they would crush the same team who beat the team that beat Georgia is not facts. It's opinion based.
Hard to respect a team that cheated there balls off 😂!
Messed-again is done. All their good coaches and recruiters are gone and I don’t respect cheating.
Your coach was suspended six games for cheating and lying about it. That is a fact.
2 things continue to blind people when talking about this football team. That Michigan wasn't an explosive offense from a passing perspective and that it wasn't littered with 5 stars. People kept picking against them during the season and now in comparison with other champions. The same people who picked them to lose to OSU, Bama and Washington now say previous champions like Bama, Clemson, LSU and Miami would kill them. We'll never know. But this is one of the greatest teams in college football history and I believe they could beat anybody.
Well said.
Last 5 games:
Beat 4 top 10 teams including two undefeated teams to win the Championship 🏆🏆
Michigan is always about "the team, the team, the team"
Covid
@@Mark-zx2bq that's a funny way to spell "national champions"
"The cheat, the cheat, the cheat"
LoL. Get out of here with that shit. "ThE tEaM" 🤡
@@kevinpowers2959 covid
Amen
The last of the Mohicans.... the best story ever.
More like the last of the Mo’ cheatins
@@SatansShart that's actually funny 😁
You can't buy heart and you can't buy guts. NIL may have closed the gap between the leaders and best and all the rest, but the personal development that is an inherent part of Ann Arbor, Michigan is the likely reason why Michigan Football 145 wins the Natty.
It will be quite easy to create a narrative of 145s National Championship season as compelling as that of 144. After all, our likely starter at QB overcame Leukemia to walk on to the team and ball out and lead us to consecutive National Championships. This will make 'Rudy' look like chopped liver when it all plays out.
For the people who've hated Michigan for years and years, I'm guessing your new favorite word is "cheaters" Since that's the only thing keeping you "in" any argument involving Michigan's National Title. Some of you absolutely refuse to give credit where it's due simply because you're biased and hate Michigan with a passion. OSU is as scummy of a program there is, but they always have a hell of a team. Now was that so hard?
Go Blue!
Like the Buffalo Bills. If that one FG is good, we talk about how they won a Super Bowl, instead of making a 30 for 30 on how they were 4 time SB losers.
Go Blue 🙌
Hail!
The last of an era of guys wanting to comeback another year to win a title.,
Like tOSU this year? Give me a break. They lose only 4 of 22 starters to the league. This Michigan team would get destroyed by any other recent champ except 2010 Auburn which isn’t even that recent.
@@RadicallyOptimistic coulda beat lsu because of our team was built to beat offensive powerhouse cause they had no defense and I think we coulda beat bama the year the won in ot
2017 Bama was the other weak one. Y’all held Washington to 13 because the best offenses of today are nothing like the best offenses of 4 years ago. You need 5 stars all over the place to hold LSU under 40. And y’all wouldn’t score 40 with Harbaugh’s philosophy.
@@RadicallyOptimistic lol. UGA 2022 almost lost to an average OSU team. That Washington team lit Texas up and was held to 13 points in 13 drives by Michigan. That Washington offense had 3 top 20 picks on offense along with 2 more second round offensive players and a third round offensive player.
“Average” lmao. OSU was the best team in 2022, they lost one of their best players in week 1 but ofc yall dont talk about that. Also Texas was mid this year, oh so cool we beat Bama in week 2 when they were having locker room issues. They should’ve put UGA in over Texas, they would’ve steamrolled Washington.
I think back to the that 4th and 2, where JJ completed the pass to Blake Corum for a big gain but if you watch the tape, an Alabama Defender almost got his hands on that pass and that would've been game over
Not sure it would have been game over. There was still over 3 minutes left and UM had all 3 of their timeouts. It's possible they get the ball back with 3 minutes to go but no timeouts.
Coulda shoulda woulda. Better team won, cry
Would have been "game over" if Michigan didn't muff the punt, giving Alabama a free touchdown (of which they only scored two). Same thing goes for Michigan's missed field goal. Game over indeed.
@@Whelmed. True but I think they would’ve been in field goal range immediately. I’m just glad none of that happened.
@@stevenselleck5460 Facts…JJ & Blake were clutch. I think we would’ve beaten TCU if Blake was healthy last year. That little dude was the heart & soul of the team
And they say college football is not rigged!!
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
HATERS GON HATE! GO BLUE!
I like Josh, but he did pick Penn St, the suckeyes, and Bama all to beat Michigan leading up to those games. Haha, at least he finally gave Michigan their deserved props. Go fing Blue!
As a Braves and Michigan fan that was offensive
One of the greatest stories to a college football team of all time.
Cheating?
@@Mike-sp7zv there’s many stages to grief, you should attempt to make it past that denial stage for the sake of your health.
@@thewillofd4417are you honestly denying they cheated?
@@rkwittemconnor may have gone overboard. But the glory of Michigan's 2023 season is they were accused of only winning by cheating, and they went out and proved it all wrong. That's what's beautiful about their season. They took that negative perception and squashed it
@@thewillofd4417 denying they cheated is denial
Last great CFB team was 2020 Bama. There will never ever be a champ as dominant and frankly inspiring as them thx to NIL and the portal. Something truly amazing about 10 conference games, no cupcakes, no one possession games.
That was 3 seasons ago. There'll be more dominant teams. The history of modern college football is relatively short
What Bama record that year?
13-0, with 11 CONFERENCE games. 0 cupcakes. By the way, the late 2010s and 2020 will be CFB’s golden age. This is because the best QBs were on the best teams. 2019 had Burrow, Fields, Tua, Trevor, and Herbert in the CFP top 6 at some point.
@@RadicallyOptimistic QBs alone don't make a golden age
@ncaafan225 not bama fan but I remember now thst was a great alabama team
Americas Team!!
I completely agree….a true definition of a TEAM✅💯
true definition of cheaters
@@Alex-zi1nb 15-0 National Champs. Cry yourself to sleep
I tried telling my fiancé that this season, maybe the last 3 seasons, will eventually be made into a movie or documentary. I may be biased but this past Michigan team was truly SPECIAL and putting bias aside, I think it’s obviously this past team should be looked at as one of the Great CFB teams, especially for this era
A 30 for 30 on the greatest cheating scandal of modern college football maybe
@@mexicutionr Accurate.
They’re literally the worst team to ever win a CFP Championship*
Haha ahh I wonder if you guys are Buckeye fans or Spartan fans… Hold this Natty
@@WoodyGoBlue Enjoy the asterisk and eventual vacated “title.”
Great team. But the NCAA investigation is not done. So the final chapter has not been written yet. But no doubt an excellent team
Final chapter was written when the NCAA president said Michigan won the natty fair and square. Cry harder.
The NCAA president said Michigan won fair and square so you can put all the sanctions you want on them they won who cares. People need to get off at. I can go back at every national championship team for the last 30 years and there was something going on with the team or some player shouldn't have been playing or all kinds of stuff going on so I don't want to hear it anymore from anybody it's a bunch of b*******
@TylerRayHamblin no so fast my friend. Ncaa has recently expanded the investigation. The court of public opinion after the whole thing is over will be what michigan and thier fans will have to defend for the rest of time. Nice comeback you will have to repeat that for eternity.
@atlbuck you’ve created quite the fantasy in your head. Sorry your team didn’t win the ship.
@TylerRayHamblin not looking backwards..looking forward. You had the party. Great team no doubt. You had the party. Now its time to pay the tab
Listen to Mike valenti on Detroit sports talk. He describes it much better than me. Good luck this year. See you in November.
"Those that stay will be champions." Go Blue!!
Those that stay will get caught cheating
Go blue baby 15-0
Still waiting on the consequences of Connor Stallions dressing up like an employee from another school so he could stand on their sideline and record them...
The glazing is diabolical. This team is going to be remembered for something else.
Osu fan are so butthurt, their hatred is diabolical
Josh you sure know how to walk that fence. For a guy who swears he loves college football, this segment makes me wonder.
Huh?
The greatest season of our son’s lifetime, born in ‘97.
the greatest cfb team of all time. Dont get confused when i say that - not the most *Talented*, but the Greatest. let that sink in
WTF are you smokin'?
@@shadowdawg04 Explain to me why you are confused. They had 1 five star (only according to some sites) and the same number of 3 stars as half the teams they played had 5 stars. They did not Simply recruit talent to become great, they had to develop the greatness. They had guys on that team who were starters on the 2020 Michigan team. They then went 15-0. If that’s not the GREATEST team of all time you clearly only confuse greatness with talent.
@@dompolidori5313 Blah blah blah... same old crackpipe 🙄
@@dompolidori5313 A: they’re neither of those things. B: both McCarthy and Edwards were 5*.
@@cincydooley Edwards was not a 5 star after he signed with Michigan. JJ was only a 5 star on some sites.
Awesome -> 2 5* compared to Osu’s entire roster. What means more the Wins or the stars?
Excellent commentary. Michigan 2023 won with 3 and 4 star players who put culture and team above all else. National Champions Go Blue!
Yessir BOW DOWN TO THE KINGS OF CFB 💍〽️
Cheating scUM
Just want to say a quick hi to my O$U fans. They/Them Ohio State University has all those 5 🌟 just to lose to Michigan 😂😂😂
How many 5 stars were on Appalachian State 🤷🏾♂️I'll wait
Yup. OSU was busy putting players in the NFL after three years, while Michigan utilized covid to have the 2nd most 5th & 6th year seniors in the country, behind Washington. 🤔
😂😂😂
How many of those 5th/6th year seniors were starters?
@@southeastdaygo6193that was 5 coaches ago. Times have changed😂
Josh, you're right, one day, this story might be a very good movie, not just a book.
But remember, The book is always better than the movie.
It’s gonna be a 30 for 30. Because of the cheating.
Josh Pate: “I’m not here to re-litigate the whole Connor Stallions thing”
No worries, Josh, we’ve got you covered!
They didn't do it the Bama way, they did it the Conner way! 😂
What's the Bama way? Buying all the best players and out talenting everyone? Something OSU is trying to do after Ryan Day made the program soft?
@HyzersGR ........the nice thing about NIL is now we can all do it. The SEC have had a bag man for the past 20 years. Now it's legal and legit to have a bag man
Michigan would have beaten Georgia and TCU if Blake Corum wasn’t hurt. Georgia barely beat Ohio State in Atlanta, Georgia and Michigan destroyed that same Ohio State team in Columbus. If Ohio State, Georgia and TCU lost their Heisman candidate player, like Michigan did, what would have happened?
Naw. They wouldn’t have.
2019 LSU and maybe 2020 Bama curb stomps these guys.
18, 19, and 20's champs were without a doubt the best 3 teams in the CFP era. I think all three would sweep any other CFP champ except each other.
@@PirateOfPlayTime I think you might be right. Don't get me wrong UM had a very good team that deserved to wear the crown but a slightly substandard Bama team pushed them to OT...so not a great team imo.
2020 Bama won because of Covid not because they were any good
@@nicholastaiariol2631 That is one hypothesis...hard to prove though.
Getting clapped by joe burrow and Jamar chase isn’t much of an insult tbh
So many salty haters mad their team can’t win a natty😂 looking at you Buckeyes
We’ve won more Nattys than you and Hairball is 3-5 against us. Man, you dudes are ignorant.
The salt is unreal 🤣🤣🤣
@@andrewmohrmann3599Cuckeye fans just can’t handle the fact they have haven’t been able to beat Michigan 😂 no signs, no Harbaugh, no problem
They are truly broken. The losses to Michigan, and watching them win 3 B1G titles. Their loss to Georgia whining about the hit on Marv and then choking on a field goal only to watch Michigan win a national championship while they get embarrassed by a mid-tier SEC school in a bowl game. 80k+ fans at their spring game just shows that fanbases level of desperation. 〽️〽️〽️
@@michaelbrandon9791 Michigan lose any more coaches or recruits lately? Any more DUIs or soliciting minors? Asking for a friend.
They cheated Josh. If that means old school football to you, you’ve completely lost me.
How is it that you simply ignore that Hairball was suspended six games three for breaking NCAA rules and lying to them about it.
There were coaches fired and an FBI investigation for illegal use of a computer for gambling by another coach. Another coach was canned for trying to destroy evidence. Recently, two other coaches have had DUI’s. One was fired and the other has been suspended and will likely be canned as well. The Conor Stalions thing is still being investigated. If it turns out as many people think, this school will be severely punished.
This stuff is all documented and true.
This whole mess is a travesty and soils the integrity of the game and you and almost everyone else in the sports media acts as if it never happened.
I just don’t understand how this stuff doesn’t matter.and how you can praise this organization.
They are not representative of anything that was good about the game either now or then.
Go blue
No one reading allat 😂 go blue!
Of course not, you’re from Missed-again. Reading isn’t one of your strong points. 😂
Let me guess, salty Sparty fan? That 49-0 must have really sent you into a deep depression, especially after seeing Michigan go undefeated. No one but Sparty fans know all those details about another team, even if most of them are wrong.
"integrity" and college athletics really don't go together. Please give me one team in the past 40 years with a ton of integrity in either football or hoops. Michigan just joined the gang of teams doing this kinda stuff forever and beat them at their own game.
Georgia was just waaaaaay better that year than Michigan... with TCU, they just wet the bed...
Josh never stops with the terrible takes.
Butthurt, OSU, MSU, or ND fan? Which one?
@@philosophyvids8191 JP was as right about this as he was about that “Transfer portal chaos”. Only question now is how long until he puts on a clown nose again and apologizes for this like he did that.
Michigan has more than 1 first rounder . The problem is the majority of the 1st round talent is in next year's draft
So if I can get a presnap idea for 4 star talent to gain an advantage… it’s not going to improve the on field performance? I’d like to know what every team would do with that same advantage. That is something left to desired by a team that’s supposed to be “a great team”.
The other teams do have that advantage too... literally every team has sign stealers on their sidelines, it's apart of the game. What Michigan's sign stealer did was video tape games from September, you can't tell me you think that affected the outcome of games played in November, December, and January...
Bro has no idea how stealing signs works 😂
@@mikeworkman1759 you’re not spending money on something if it doesn’t work.
@@cfiasco don’t have to. I know it was cheating though…
@@nogalzurc Michigan spent money on him as a sign stealer just the same as Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, Georgia, Alabama, etc....you clearly have no clue wtf you're talking about...
Smh... the way you media guys chase the big brands fans is disgusting! Say what you mean not what you think they want to hear.... that's why I don't listen to this trash anymore! Smh ✌️
So now cheaters are great? LMAO
“Americas Team” by Josh Pate
They truly were exceptional at cheating. Let's take a moment to celebrate them putting together a squad of over 60 people, nationwide to advance scout/record opposition. Going as far as to sabotage pre opponents like UT and Clemson by sharing their intel with SC. That is really going all out to get the W. Will it suck when they have to vacate all the wins? prolly not as much as the thrill of playing dirty and getting the W's.
Grow up kid
@@Grumpy_Bomber you must be a Cheatagin hater. Most of us admire how far they went outside of the box to make it happen
Football great teams will be diluted like basketball because of the portal and nil.
I like Harbaugh, but it’s hilarious how he did exactly what his rival Pete Caroll did. Cheated his way to a championship, then ran away to the NFL to avoid the consequences. 🤣
The NCAA and Big Ten have both said there is zero evidence Harbaugh or any coaches had any knowledge or were part of Stalion's scheme
I thought Michigan winning the natty would be peak Michigan fandom.
But then all the haters started pouring their salty tears all over our national championship cake & that’s made it so much sweeter.
Michigan was hands down the best CFB team, deal with it. Or keep crying…
Cheaters **************
Winners*********
Not according to the NCAA.
Cheaters. It doesn't matter what they did, they will be remembered as nothing but cheaters
Champions*
Whatever helps you get through it buddy
@@nicholastaiariol2631cheaters
And OSU under Ryan Day will always be remembered as a soft program who got their sh*t pushed in and Ryan Day got shoved into a locker by Michigan's assistant coach.
@@HyzersGR 9-3 and sanctions
They cheated for three seasons to a title and wins that are going to get vacated in a few years. Last great team my ass.
Crying about something that isn't going to happen is not only soft, it's embarrassing.
Be forreal Josh.
The way you and other media outlets just want to ignore the clear evidence of them cheating is ridiculous.
You can never claim a team is "great" with a scandal like this that multiple teams and ADs across conferences were aware of.
If anything it stains what could've been a truly great team if they didn't exploit the COVID rules and empower Connor Stallions.
Brother that was outed before they played any ranked teams. And where was all of the public shaming from other coaches? On record? They were busy making sure they weren't as stupid about it as Michigan was. Why did teams know they had a sign stealer and not report it? Why did it take a mysterious 3rd party to rat on them? You think this is isolated to one team? Wake up.
@@TagRoger229 brother, you're asking questions that have been answered already and you should do better homework and a lot of what you said is untrue - it has been going on since the end of the 2021 season, teams got hip during the end of the 2022 season, (TCU literally exploited this because OSU gave them the heads up), and continued through most of 2023 season.
They definitely played ranked teams, and multiple B1G ADs reached out to the B1G commissioner, because coaches were pissed. The NCAA has already informed them of some of what they've found, which is why (in part) they backed down about Harbaugh's suspension.
It's a shame, because those kids deserved better, they worked hard and were talented, but that program was desperate and those men sold out, and these network heads wanted the $$$$ generated by the last (Final Four CFP).
The reality of their situation is currently hurting them in the transfer portal and recruiting too.
@@VanceHopkinsII Why couldn't OSU do the same thing TCU did? Or huddle up? Or use wrist bands? It's all soft loser cope. Michigan didn't even have their head coach and still beat Penn State in Happy Valley and OSU with one arm tied behind their back.
@@HyzersGR I'm not interested in how UM and OSU fans yap about that. You could change all the schools involved and the issues would remain the same.
I'm more interested in things like The Athletic anonymously polling 50 head coaches on how egregious it was from 1-5 w/ 5 being the worst, and the average coming back a 4 .2 - like this is big deal to coaches across the country let alone the B1G.
Y'all keep trying to minimize it while the people involved are dodging the NCAA, jumped ship, and it looks like just an utter lack of integrity and desperation.
Maybe you've never seriously competed in a sport or competition, but nobody likes to lose and especially not to cheaters. You can't call nobody soft if you had to cheat to beat them.
@@VanceHopkinsII anonymous coaches mean nothing when they don’t put their name behind it. The Athletic could have made them all up and no one would be able to say anything. The President of the NCAA said they won the national championship fair and square.
Yes I played D1 football and DJ Durkin was my position coach. One of the assistant strength coaches was Rick Court who was fired at Maryland for abusive culture and a kid dying during conditioning. I have lots of experience playing football but don’t take my word for it. Plenty of coaches and NFL players have come out and said the entire thing is overblown. From Aaron Rodgers, Jeff Saturday, JJ Watt, Marcus Spears, Deion Sanders, and on and on and on.
The NCAA and Big Ten themselves have said there is zero proof anyone besides Connor Saltions knew anything he was doing. He was removed from the program before the halfway mark of the season and people like you swore up and down that Michigan would be exposed and they have only been winning because of him, that Alabama would crush them. Are you claiming Michigan cheated against Alabama and Washington? When the NCAA confiscated ALL of the coaches electronic devices in the middle of the season and were breathing down the coaches necks the rest of the way?
Sign stealing isn’t even illegal! OSU and Rutgers handed over Michigan’s signals on a silver platter to Purdue before the 2022 Big Ten Championship. Tell me what’s the difference between other teams giving you all your opponents signals?
Developed not purchased.
Cheated not developed.
@@NateBee if we really cheated would have lost before or during the playoffs. It's called karma. Michigan was just the best team in 2023 deal with it.
Cheated*
@@NateBee If they weren't developed they wouldn't have had 13 draft picks that were all 3 and 4 star players.
@@NateBee poor little baby
I like how we're supposed to just pretend like they didn't get caught cheating red handed.. even Josh went viral on Halloween for exposing Stalions and his glasses.. it's a joke..
Anyone still saying Michigan cheated is still in denial.
You’re the ones in denial pal.
Anyone who said Michigan didn't cheat when coach was caught trying to destroy cheating evidence by the FBI is in denial.
😂 What are you taklking about they did cheat. Harbaugh wouldn't have taken that suspension if they didn't have the program dead to rights I think you got that denial thing backwards.
Only UM fans are in denial Chris partridge got fired for trying to destroy cheating evidence
Didn't a UM staffer get fired for trying to get rid of evidence of cheating
I don't have a problem with the kids/players. However the adults are cheaters.
I like Michigan, but I still think they cheated.
It’s crazy how fast everyone forgot about the cheating allegations. This team at one point was debated if they should even be allowed in the playoffs. The allegations go back to the first game where Michigan moved past Ohio St in 2021 so all the success since then seems fraudulent. The TCU loss demonstrates this perfectly as TCU changed their plays for the game.
The “cheating” allegations are irrelevant the moment that Michigan *still won the games* after the news broke.
You can’t have it both ways: Either the sign stealing was a huge advantage and Michigan won because of it, which would’ve been proven if they LOST their toughest games after the story broke, OR the sign stealing did happen but was not the advantage many people thought it was, hence why they still WON their toughest games.
Furthermore, I love how you conveniently forgot teams like OSU changed their signs for 2022 AND 2023, still lost. As for the TCU game, Michigan losing was not a surprise at all because everyone loved to forget Harbaugh had a horrible playoff/post-season record prior to then, the fact the investigation by the B1G showed that none of the coordinators nor Harbaugh new about it, etc, etc.
Your argument cuts both ways, but you’re either too biased or too stupid to see it.
The only people who still bring up the signs are people who have never played this sport at a serious level lmao 🤣
Because it's a complete nonstory. Using your "logic," if michigan only won because of it, that means ohio, psu, Bama, wash, Iowa, etc all didn't change their signs even though they had several weeks to do so after the story broke. If that were true, they deserved to lose. In reality, michigan was just the best team in the country and your ohio education is showing
The only people debating if they should be allowed in the playoffs were of NO significance. It was only Michigan haters and OSU fans....
@@alexharris9129 you act like Big10 teams weren’t very frustrated with the Big 10 commissioner and some teams put multiple players callers on the field as an attempt to not get their plays stolen. There was a lot of smoke around the situation and it got too much evidence for it to go away so silently.
lmfao the team cheating their asses off, that is their legacy
Their legacy will always be 15-0 undefeated National Champions. Your legacy will always be sniveling in youtube comment sections because your team still lost after Stalions was removed halfway into the year.
The 2023 Michigan football team was built to win college football games. They weren't built to turn out a bunch of first and second round picks, in the NFL draft. Michigan didn't have the star wide receivers. Or great corner backs and safeties. Michigan develops tight ends. NFL teams want star receivers and great cornerbacks. Michigan has none of those players. Michigan may turn out to be better team than expected in 2024. But they still won't have those players who are chosen in the first or second round of the NFL draft.
Will Johnson would have been the first CB taken in this year's draft
Are views that bad that you have to rage bait for clicks? I thought you were above this Pate what with all the preaching from your soapbox on the sanctity/integrity/values of this sport. Guess you either die a hero or live long enough to become a sellout
lol what?!
I’m sorry , this year’s Michigan team was good , but far from great. I’m sure all the lame UM fans will come at me but they know they got lucky. They are lucky UGA had to play Bama in their conference championship game and not Iowa.
The same Iowa team that beat Kentucky 21-0 in the bowl game a few weeks after Georgia only beat Kentucky 16-6?
@@michaelbrandon9791 hey smart guy, UGA beat Kentucky 51-13
Non pay to win team.
They cheated and had a ton of COVID experience. Eff them.
So soft you must be a Buckeye fan
Wah wah wah 😂 cry some more
@@nicholastaiariol2631 awe. Bless your heart.
Sofffffft & whiiiiiiny
@@leojanuszewski1019 Those are certainly words. Like cheater.
Wait... last I checked cheating, deifying a guilty party, and villifying everyone wasn't what college football stood for.
You're right, college football stood for buying the best players under the table for decades and pretending Saban was the best coach of all time when he was average in the Big Ten and average in the NFL.
@@HyzersGRFACTS 💯
They will always be known as cheaters
I'll give this Michigan team credit: they went out and won every game they played. Despite everything, they went out and won. That said, there are two caveats to this team, in my mind:
-- This team's legacy can't and won't be finalized until the NCAA gives their last word on the sign-stealing scandal. One way or the other, they have to say something, or else the spectre of sign-stealing will loom over this team forever
-- As a Georgia fan, I don't have a doubt in my mind that Georgia would have beaten Michigan if they'd played in the playoff. Make no mistake: we blew our chance by dropping that game to Bama, but part of me will always think that Michigan was fortunate that we got bounced from the playoff
Still, congrats to Michigan for winning the whole shebang, and special congratulations on beating that crybaby Ryan Day three straight times.
Michigan doesn't win a championship without the covid allowance for 5th & 6th year seniors.
And culture change. And coaching changes. And player development changes and...eh whatever.
But they did. Go Blue
And 2 NFL defensive coordinator (one of them being a coach now)
@@TheRealMacAndCheese So you agree that having 5-6 years to develop players matters?
Brutal comment. You act like Michigan was the only team that could do that. Go see your doctor.
And they cheated together 😂
I believe him yo
Keep crying about it lmao
@@CertifiedClapaholicright Mizzou must’ve had OSUs signs too 😂😂
Aah the Smell of Jealousy and Envy and Loser is Strong from You🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nope that's TTUN stuff they cornered the market on that, in the bowl game Bucks didn't have a QB who could throw. UM will be able to relate to that this season.
Come on now…Michigan won’t even sniff their conference championship this year!
They said that last year...go see your doctor.
@@newfdog9602 Tell ya what…let’s pin this comment and come back to it come after this upcoming Championship Weekend…only time will prove things out!
@@LuigiL75 Wish we could have pinned your comment last year 😆 🤣 😂
@@newfdog9602wasn’t Michigan ranked 2 coming into the season? Nobody said that last year
*the last cheating football team
Praising cheaters! Very classy.
Greatest cheaters of all time.
Clearly not because they got caught lol
Way better than your team too
Cheaters never win
@@nicholastaiariol2631 at cheating, of course.
If you ain’t cheatin you ain’t tryin. The OSU motto.
Cheaters
FSU '23 > Michigan '23
The 12 team playoff will be wide open all this will become moot moving forward.