Rafael F4.1 is the best for IAF as Eurotypoon has a lot of problems faced due Germany when turkey want buy Eurotypoon Germany block deal is the best example
India should buy additional 36 Rafael already contracted. It should now concentrate on home grown Tejas and Prachand copter family. MoD must order 500 aircraft each and make budgetary provisions. This will help to boost confidence of HAL and it's suppliers for steady orders. We must become self reliant. We should deploy highly skilled techie from friendly countries .At the same time, our Engg.colleges must. BRING IN SUITABLE COURSES TO BOOST LOCAL MANPOWER AVAILABILITY
This is an existing research conducted all around the world called Small Modular Nuclear Reactors(SMNRs) with already working prototypes in some countries
@@Jefe-Grande Let me take a stab MK2 - prototype funds allocated. It will take atleast 10 years to get first jet manufactured. So no more payment for next 10 years AMCA - Same above, will take 15 years to get first jet out. So no payments for 15 years TEDBF - Not a viable product with limited scale. Anyway it is only in paper with no funding even for prototype. So no need to worry. MRFA - If ordered in next one year, it will take maximum of 10 years to complete the delivery. Payments can be spread over 10 years. This means, this require funding of 2B per year which is possible. By the time MRFA is done, we can allocate budget to MK2 and then to AMCA.
@@Jefe-Grande It is not going to be easy, but doable considering the critical gap in our force. MRFA has to become national priority project for IAF, so it takes priority over others. We dont really need lot of tankers as most of these MRFA contenders has longer range compared to tiny MK1A. It will make the job easier, if government can increase defense spending from 1.8% to 2.5% which is moderate. Considering that economy is also becoming bigger, this will give lot of resources.
Instead of purchasing the aircraft under MRFA tender, the IAF could opt for the airforce version of TEDBF. The govt and the defence agencies should think about this
@@ariyan6322 Tedbf is deck based fighter, Iaf configuration will be developed after naval version is already flying in medium to large numbers It will take atleast a decade to develop tedbf Already depleting squadrons of iaf needs to be replaced asap maybe a future
@@SharmaTech914 sir, IAF has not shown interest in this program ORCA, and if they are doing so then the project cost will come down, when the TEDBF & ORCA is combined together. Also if you consider MRFA as an option think about the first made in India aircraft delivery year and also the offered aircrafts will be very old by the time. But rather our Indian made flying machines will have new technology and also the infrastructure for the manufacturing of the same will be good and we can sell our new flying machines to the friendly countries. Also the defence export is almost 22,000 cr this year as per the GOI report. Considering all these My suggestion would be like the govt should invest the money and the resources in this program to get the good outcome. And we have already proven that by our home grown products like TEJAS MK1 & 1A and we have many More products which are at par with the developed countries. If this happens then I am sure we have the best products in our defence forces. Jai Hind
If MRFA is cancelled, and 114 Rafales are not procured, Then This will be a blunder for IAF and Indian Defence... Payments can be done in a yearly manner... Its not impossible. If you have will then there is always a way...
The Eurofighter are made by more than one European country. That will create a lot of loads on logistics and supply chains for parts. Why don't just ask for Rafael and F15 EX to bring to India to test in Indian conditions and select one.
@@theboss2809 why not if boeing is offering F15 EX and if they are willing to produce it in India by an Indian company, with an Indian developed IFF. We should negotiate for the weapons package to be of our will, and set up MnO facility in India and supply chains for LRU.
@@riturajsingh3402because in case of any disagreement with US the congress can armtwist such as in case of GE Engines. A notable example: a lot.of countries are part of the F35 program however there have been numerous instances wherein US has stopped supply of spare parts to one of thier " allies" in case of any disagreement on foreign policy until they course corrected themselves
@@subhadeep129 that's why i said we need LRUs and supply chain for parts set up locally, that's why we should negotiate with either Rafael or F15 to produce in India and set up a local supply chain for as many parts as possible. And India can replace foreign parts with Indian made parts if wants too.
Retiring the Jaguar is a good thing. Although It is capable of very flying low to avoid radar, it struggles at doing this in India's major combat zones which are in the high altitude Himalayas because of insufficient lift due to its high wing loading and thin air. Tejas Mk1A is therefore a superior replacement for the Jaguar in Indian service. The Tejas Mk1A has also proven to be the most accurate attack platform in the IAF due to its fly by wire system, as well as India's most reliable, least crash prone, and most available aircraft even better than the Mirage 2000, Rafale, etc.
@@vaimurthy I think you are confused by the IAF role description for the acquisition contract for the Jaguar - "Deep penetration strike aircraft". In IAF parlance it does not mean long range strike as is the common meaning of this terminology. It means flying into enemy airspace at low level to carry out tactical strike without air superiority, which requires flying at low altitude under the radar. The Jaguar does not have a long range as it is a small aircraft. If you want a long range, you need to fly at high altitude as long as possible, not fly low level, which is the Jaguar's specialty. That is why commercial airliners and long range bombers fly at such high altitude. Jaguar is a dedicated strike aircraft, and it is good at flying at treetop level at sea level to avoid radar. The IAF DOES NOT DEPLOY JAGUAR IN THE HIMALAYAS, AND THE IAF DID NOT USE JAGUARS AT BALAKOT. As I said it is useless for any role including the attack role at high altitude, because it lacks the payload capacity for fuel and munitions, and the necessary maneuverability to avoid hitting the ground when flying at low height above ground in the Himalayas. Tejas is a better both as a low level strike aircraft and as a fighter at high altitude. It is not me saying this, it is the IAF that found this, and that they found in exercises that Tejas was their most accurate strike aircraft. That is why Jaguar is being replaced by Tejas Mk1A in IAF service in 3 years. There is a parallel for this in Israel. The Lavi (the Israelis sold this to the Chinese to form the basis of the J10)which was being developed as a strike aircraft to replace the Kfir (Mirage 3 development) which the Israelis used for strike. They used the FBY system on the cancelled Lavi to provide the stability to reduce buffeting and point the airframe for maximum weapons delivery accuracy. That is the reason why Tejas Mk1 is the most accurate weapons platform in the IAF - if you observe it in flight displays, it has control laws that allow it to maneuver very precisely and very smoothly despite it being very maneuverable. Strike aircraft try to reduce buffeting by reducing wing area to achieve high wing loading , but this can also be achieved by a FBW system. The use of a fighter for ground attack is not unusual - the Lavi was cancelled because its characteristics were similar to the F16 which also had FBW, and the F16 has become Israel and the US' primary strike aircraft after retirement of older dedicated aircraft and the new F15E strike eagle is also a fighter aircraft.
@@pisquared1827 Thanks for the explanation about Jaguar. Tejas MK1A suffers same issue like range and payload. Ideally modern day multirole is more suited for ground attacks.
@@vaimurthy Tejas Mk1A doesn't actually have a short range - that myth comes from figures published by a SAAB RUclips fanboy who gave a 500 mile combat radius for Tejas found on a website based on unknown combat payload, loiter time and fuel load, and compared it to a Gripen ferry range on internal fuel with a minimal payload and no loiter time. The combat radius depends on how much weapons payload you are carrying, how much loiter time is required. For example Tejas flew 1400 km without mid air refueling for the Dubai airshow display. So if you want to fly a combat mission on full internal fuel, 4500 kg of external ordinance, loiter for 45 minutes, and return, you would be able to do that with a combat radius of about 500 miles. If you carried a smaller payload and external fuel tanks you would get a lot longer combat radius.
We should have retired jags before 2010 itself. Good thing is that we will start its retirement, we need either F35 or F15 EX or Rafale as replacement not mk2.
Hence MRFA is cancelled and additional rafales will be procured, which is feasible, cost effective and time saving process. Its better to invest 25bn $ in tejas mk2 & amca. It will accelerate the project.
How? Money for prototype development is already approved. So additional money is not needed and it will not accelerate those programs. All it requires is HAL/ADA to deliver prototype sooner. The ball is in HAL court
@@vaimurthyActually he’s right. That money if spent on our programs can actually accelerate development by bringing in private players by further subsidizing their research costs as they’ve been hesitant in participating in such a large scale project. While also setting up better advanced research laboratories and more budget to throw around for anything needed because HAL tends to be stringent on what they procure due to budgetary constraints delaying the overall project. This will also help TEDBF take flight in the same timeline as the other two if it’s given funds too.
@@1999NIRUPAM I never said no to indigenous development. But these PSUs are killing by delaying it. Priority is defense of the nation, not indigenous development. If indigenous development helps, we should support. TEDBF is not economically viable with only 70 jets. So it is better to abandon that.
Jaguars had thier unique mark in our Airforce. Sad to see its departure from Active force 😢. But is Mk1A suitable replacement given that, Jaguars major role was low fly bombing?
Wow that BARCS mobile reactor technology could be a game changer for military applications but i would like to see the safety report on it and what happens if it gets into enemies hands ect
There could be a design for self destruct via a massive explosion, could allow us to destroy enemy bases if this falls in their hands, maybe a button or something used by a high ranking officer
What is stopping HAL to make MK2 available faster. Funds approved, design completed. Only thing that is required is build prototype and test. Unless there is design issues which is yet to be sorted out, they should be ready in 5 years. Otherwise HAL is as usual pathetic.
yeah.. and it willl be underdevelopment for 50 years we will get under quality aircraft in 2090....stop mk2 and get rafaels .. start work and involve private industry
If rafale is too costly then su57/75 is best option under tot and mki. We can procure the enhine tot with safran and rollsroyce, focus on 5th and 6th gen fighters.
Jet engine, I agree with, 100% The question is, what do we do between now and the delivery of Mark 1A, Mark 2 ...? Even if HAL delivers, on average, 18 (Mark 1A) aircraft a year, it'll take us 10 years to get all 180 aircraft... that's 2034. There isn't even a Mark 2 prototype right now... when will the Air Force actually begin to receive Mark 2s is anyone's guess... If you take a cold, hard look at numbers and time frames, you will realise that the MRFA is a necessity. We have no choice. Look at it this way: the MRFA will give our fledgling aerospace sector a huge boost.
MRFA is dead because price is insane, though IAF will have to compromise with it's ability for at least half decade, but IAF have to ramp-up Tejas mk2, Amca and have to join TEDBF for it's airforce version.
@@Hriday-q6w Boeing quality degraded in civilian jets for sure. Not sure about military jets. F15 is still one of the best heavy weight jet with 100-0 track record. But we dont need it for MRFA
@@Jefe-Grande just different thought. Imaging ordering 2 more squadrons of Rafale and 4 of F15 EX. Rafale and F15 mix will be deadly. Offcourse it will be logistics nightmare. Or other option could be sell all 272 Su 30 and replace with 120 F15 EX. This will completely will take care of heavy weight category.
MRFA is no longer feasible. Govt should either buy 50-60 Rafales' from France via G2G model off the shelf and then funnel the rest of the funding to TEDBF, Tejas Mk2 and Amca.
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Why are these idiots trying overseas sales for Tejas when they don't have capacity for IAF orders and don't even have enough engines from GE? Have they completely lost their marbles?
@@kashyap_0-0_ Issue is not about speed, Issue is about ground attack capability and deep strike capability. Both of which is weak point of MK1A with its limited range and payload
The way india has invested in rafales it is viable to have rafales manufactured in india although the cost will go up by 25%. But the experience to manufacture a world class fighter jet will make india in par with european countries. Not to forget to export rafales from india to other countries generating income and revenue for india. Even sales and service providers will bring in revenue as in case of su30s. Experience on latest machines will enhance the capabilities and sharing technologies in our own inhouse TEJAS TEDBF AMCA thus making aircrafts more capable than chinese and pakistanis. Although the initial cost is there but it will be a huge jump of QUALITY AND QUANTITY covering all our needs. Rafales will be our next Su30s covering all our needs for next 50 years plus. Not to forget F5 F6 of rafales parts commonality can be manufactuted in india itself. Right now due to long list of demand for rafales india has to wait then why not to bring in or import machinery from france to manufacture rafales in india. The only concern is time for infrastructure. For that 24x7 and in assembly line HAL & L&T can do that. Please consider.
Instead of wasting time the Indian government must procure F15Ex as it is a proven fighter jets and undefeated too, MRFA program is already too late if we keep on going with this pace we will surely not be able to achieve anything.
One of the best Deep Strike Fighter in IAF arsenal. The low flying Jaguar creates panic in enemies mind. I have seen numerous Jaguars flying low with thunderous roar.
That is true but realistically speaking that’s not going to happen plus the problem is we’re paying too much for a 4.5 gen aircraft when F 35s and Su 57s are much cheaper. We should rather let that money go to indigenous programs and provide further subsidies to Indian private companies so that they step in and fast track the development.
India will not buy any more European or American aircraft due to Cost and not getting technology.For 20 billion Dollars - 1,66,000₹ Cr we could design & build a new type of aircraft including producing 100 + aircraft at the rate of 1000 ₹cr/pice.This way Technology, Production, Forex Reserve Stays in India.
Mrfa is dead project instead of concentrating on mrfa we must buy 3 or 4 squardons of rafale and 6 to 8 squardons of tejas mk2 depending upon trails and concentrate more on amca fighter jets 300 to 350 and start a development of sixth generation fighter jet for the replacement of 4th generation fighter jet after 2050 or 2055
As per the recent announcement by the IAF chief, tejas mk2 orders will be enhanced to 10 or more squadrons. So i do think it is an indication of the cancellation of MRFA. Because there is no room left even for additional Rafales.
@@MrUnknown38766you think govt will put money there especially with the diplomatic strings associated with foreign aircraft ? We can upgrade tejas continuously and whenever we want. We couldn't do that with mirage and rafale. Moreover they aren't ready to integrate indian weapons on rafale
Nope, Only with 2 squadrons of Rafale is not enough. MK1A is good for defense only. With MK2 10 years away and AMCA 15 years, we need good attack jet. So MRFA is must
@@MrUnknown38766Then we should forget any indigenous projects and only focus on outsourcing as done in the past decades by Congress....the reason they will not come into power is because the previous Congress candidates were good leaders, and I don't think the same can be said for Rahul Gandhi
Govt IAF ko band karke air force ko repairment de hi de to accha hoga bhad main gayi desh Ki Suraksha 50 saal Purana mig 21 ko retair Karne Ki bajay 25 se 35 saal Purana fighter ko retair kar rahe Hain Taki govt ko dikha sake Ki IAF Ki taqat Kam ho rahi Hai aur govt jaldi se jaldi videshi fighter kharidne Ki koashiah kare
Arrey bhai, Mig 21 iss saal yaani 2024 mein completely retire ho jayega. Jaguar (mirage 2000) 2035 mein retire karney ka plan hei yani after 11 years. Kaisey dukhi ho jaatey ho bhai? Abhi 2035 ka retirement plan hei - but usually they use it for some more years. By the way jaguar was purchased in year 1982 ie 40 years back.
The current government squandered a decade of its term and nearly seven years' worth of the previous government's efforts on MRFA, yielding just 36 aircraft. Now, they're restarting the tender process. If they had initially contracted for more than 36 aircraft, it could have addressed the significant issue of dwindling fighter aircraft strength.
MRFA deal will be cancelled. India have not sufficient money to purchase 114 fighter aircrafts at a time. So India should purchase 36 Rafale--F-5 for Indian Air Force and 36 Rafale--F-5 for Indian Navy... On the other hand Rafale or Typhoon are fourth generation fighter aircrafts. Indian Air Force doesn't need any fourth generation fighter aircraft after 2030. After 2030 Indian Air force and Indian Navy should purchase Sukhoi--57 or AMCA Fighter Aircraft...
Total waste of money $25bn on a 4.5G fighter (which we can make ourselves Just a little longer timeline) We can get decent nos. of Su-57-70-75 AND some Mig-41s at that price ;)
Su 57 stealth capabilities are questionable and our forces are not interested about russian jets due to high maintenance and low availability. Su 75 is still on paper
Bro how will we pay, Russia is sanctioned, paying for 114 fighters is not a joke, so Su57 is trash, MiG41 and Su75 are on paper, that is a massive timeline, the MRFA existed cause we wanted foreign jets quickly
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Rafael F4.1 is the best for IAF as Eurotypoon has a lot of problems faced due Germany when turkey want buy Eurotypoon Germany block deal is the best example
Tejas mark 2
India should buy additional 36 Rafael already contracted. It should now concentrate on home grown Tejas and Prachand copter family. MoD must order 500 aircraft each and make budgetary provisions. This will help to boost confidence of HAL and it's suppliers for steady orders. We must become self reliant. We should deploy highly skilled techie from friendly countries .At the same time, our Engg.colleges must. BRING IN SUITABLE COURSES TO BOOST LOCAL MANPOWER AVAILABILITY
Neither Eurofighter worse than Rafale
Rafale 4.1 is best
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Everyone with commonsense knew Astra MK2 wouldn't be abandoned... Except people in our media and people who blindly believer whatever media puts out.
The two are missiles for different purposes.
Just as the US is not discarding AIM-9X for AMRAAMs because sidewinders have a shorter range.
@@sameerthakur720 exactly
That's so true. I simply laughed our when media reported that Astra Mk2 eill be abandoned.
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This is an existing research conducted all around the world called Small Modular Nuclear Reactors(SMNRs) with already working prototypes in some countries
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Wow jaguars are going to sleep forever😢😢😢
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After 2035
Jaguars are rugged Aircrafts from 1990s, so it'll stay till 2035-40
So there is nothing to be scared if it is getting replaced with Tejas Mk1A
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Are bhai 2:01 kuch to Lelo yaar MRFA m nhi to 10-20 saal aise hi or delay ho jaynge😢
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MRFA - 20 billlion USD
Tejas Mk2 - 1.2 bn USD Development
AMCA - 2 billion USD development
TEDBF - 1.2 billion USD development.
@@Jefe-Grande Let me take a stab
MK2 - prototype funds allocated. It will take atleast 10 years to get first jet manufactured. So no more payment for next 10 years
AMCA - Same above, will take 15 years to get first jet out. So no payments for 15 years
TEDBF - Not a viable product with limited scale. Anyway it is only in paper with no funding even for prototype. So no need to worry.
MRFA - If ordered in next one year, it will take maximum of 10 years to complete the delivery. Payments can be spread over 10 years. This means, this require funding of 2B per year which is possible.
By the time MRFA is done, we can allocate budget to MK2 and then to AMCA.
@@Jefe-Grande It is not going to be easy, but doable considering the critical gap in our force. MRFA has to become national priority project for IAF, so it takes priority over others. We dont really need lot of tankers as most of these MRFA contenders has longer range compared to tiny MK1A.
It will make the job easier, if government can increase defense spending from 1.8% to 2.5% which is moderate. Considering that economy is also becoming bigger, this will give lot of resources.
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Instead of purchasing the aircraft under MRFA tender, the IAF could opt for the airforce version of TEDBF. The govt and the defence agencies should think about this
For that TEDBF has to be available, it is only in paper
@@vaimurthy last updated message IDU says that it's in the metal cutting stage ..
Coming too late For the possible war with China 2035 onwards
@@ariyan6322 Tedbf is deck based fighter, Iaf configuration will be developed after naval version is already flying in medium to large numbers
It will take atleast a decade to develop tedbf
Already depleting squadrons of iaf needs to be replaced asap
maybe a future
@@SharmaTech914 sir, IAF has not shown interest in this program ORCA, and if they are doing so then the project cost will come down, when the TEDBF & ORCA is combined together. Also if you consider MRFA as an option think about the first made in India aircraft delivery year and also the offered aircrafts will be very old by the time. But rather our Indian made flying machines will have new technology and also the infrastructure for the manufacturing of the same will be good and we can sell our new flying machines to the friendly countries. Also the defence export is almost 22,000 cr this year as per the GOI report. Considering all these My suggestion would be like the govt should invest the money and the resources in this program to get the good outcome. And we have already proven that by our home grown products like TEJAS MK1 & 1A and we have many More products which are at par with the developed countries.
If this happens then I am sure we have the best products in our defence forces. Jai Hind
If MRFA is cancelled, and 114 Rafales are not procured,
Then This will be a blunder for IAF and Indian Defence...
Payments can be done in a yearly manner...
Its not impossible.
If you have will then there is always a way...
Allowing aircraft at this stage for MRFA means the evaluation process will be a never-ending phase and we will left with a few sqds in hand...
The Eurofighter are made by more than one European country. That will create a lot of loads on logistics and supply chains for parts. Why don't just ask for Rafael and F15 EX to bring to India to test in Indian conditions and select one.
We shouldn’t buy jets from usa
@@theboss2809 why not if boeing is offering F15 EX and if they are willing to produce it in India by an Indian company, with an Indian developed IFF. We should negotiate for the weapons package to be of our will, and set up MnO facility in India and supply chains for LRU.
@@riturajsingh3402because in case of any disagreement with US the congress can armtwist such as in case of GE Engines. A notable example: a lot.of countries are part of the F35 program however there have been numerous instances wherein US has stopped supply of spare parts to one of thier " allies" in case of any disagreement on foreign policy until they course corrected themselves
@@subhadeep129 that's why i said we need LRUs and supply chain for parts set up locally, that's why we should negotiate with either Rafael or F15 to produce in India and set up a local supply chain for as many parts as possible. And India can replace foreign parts with Indian made parts if wants too.
The operating cost of 15ex is so high And Dasult company do not have enough space to take more orders
Prachand should be installed with anti collision systems to make it more efficient and safe...
good joke
Retiring the Jaguar is a good thing. Although It is capable of very flying low to avoid radar, it struggles at doing this in India's major combat zones which are in the high altitude Himalayas because of insufficient lift due to its high wing loading and thin air. Tejas Mk1A is therefore a superior replacement for the Jaguar in Indian service. The Tejas Mk1A has also proven to be the most accurate attack platform in the IAF due to its fly by wire system, as well as India's most reliable, least crash prone, and most available aircraft even better than the Mirage 2000, Rafale, etc.
Nope, Jaguar is used in attack role. MK1A at best is air policing. It cannot go deep into enemy area and not great in ground attack like Jaguar
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I think you are confused by the IAF role description for the acquisition contract for the Jaguar - "Deep penetration strike aircraft". In IAF parlance it does not mean long range strike as is the common meaning of this terminology. It means flying into enemy airspace at low level to carry out tactical strike without air superiority, which requires flying at low altitude under the radar. The Jaguar does not have a long range as it is a small aircraft. If you want a long range, you need to fly at high altitude as long as possible, not fly low level, which is the Jaguar's specialty. That is why commercial airliners and long range bombers fly at such high altitude.
Jaguar is a dedicated strike aircraft, and it is good at flying at treetop level at sea level to avoid radar. The IAF DOES NOT DEPLOY JAGUAR IN THE HIMALAYAS, AND THE IAF DID NOT USE JAGUARS AT BALAKOT. As I said it is useless for any role including the attack role at high altitude, because it lacks the payload capacity for fuel and munitions, and the necessary maneuverability to avoid hitting the ground when flying at low height above ground in the Himalayas. Tejas is a better both as a low level strike aircraft and as a fighter at high altitude. It is not me saying this, it is the IAF that found this, and that they found in exercises that Tejas was their most accurate strike aircraft. That is why Jaguar is being replaced by Tejas Mk1A in IAF service in 3 years. There is a parallel for this in Israel. The Lavi (the Israelis sold this to the Chinese to form the basis of the J10)which was being developed as a strike aircraft to replace the Kfir (Mirage 3 development) which the Israelis used for strike. They used the FBY system on the cancelled Lavi to provide the stability to reduce buffeting and point the airframe for maximum weapons delivery accuracy. That is the reason why Tejas Mk1 is the most accurate weapons platform in the IAF - if you observe it in flight displays, it has control laws that allow it to maneuver very precisely and very smoothly despite it being very maneuverable. Strike aircraft try to reduce buffeting by reducing wing area to achieve high wing loading , but this can also be achieved by a FBW system. The use of a fighter for ground attack is not unusual - the Lavi was cancelled because its characteristics were similar to the F16 which also had FBW, and the F16 has become Israel and the US' primary strike aircraft after retirement of older dedicated aircraft and the new F15E strike eagle is also a fighter aircraft.
@@pisquared1827 Thanks for the explanation about Jaguar. Tejas MK1A suffers same issue like range and payload. Ideally modern day multirole is more suited for ground attacks.
@@vaimurthy
Tejas Mk1A doesn't actually have a short range - that myth comes from figures published by a SAAB RUclips fanboy who gave a 500 mile combat radius for Tejas found on a website based on unknown combat payload, loiter time and fuel load, and compared it to a Gripen ferry range on internal fuel with a minimal payload and no loiter time. The combat radius depends on how much weapons payload you are carrying, how much loiter time is required. For example Tejas flew 1400 km without mid air refueling for the Dubai airshow display. So if you want to fly a combat mission on full internal fuel, 4500 kg of external ordinance, loiter for 45 minutes, and return, you would be able to do that with a combat radius of about 500 miles. If you carried a smaller payload and external fuel tanks you would get a lot longer combat radius.
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We should have retired jags before 2010 itself. Good thing is that we will start its retirement, we need either F35 or F15 EX or Rafale as replacement not mk2.
Hence MRFA is cancelled and additional rafales will be procured, which is feasible, cost effective and time saving process. Its better to invest 25bn $ in tejas mk2 & amca. It will accelerate the project.
How? Money for prototype development is already approved. So additional money is not needed and it will not accelerate those programs. All it requires is HAL/ADA to deliver prototype sooner. The ball is in HAL court
It's really sad news that MRFA will be cancelled...😢😢😢
Dumb decision making...
@@vaimurthyActually he’s right. That money if spent on our programs can actually accelerate development by bringing in private players by further subsidizing their research costs as they’ve been hesitant in participating in such a large scale project. While also setting up better advanced research laboratories and more budget to throw around for anything needed because HAL tends to be stringent on what they procure due to budgetary constraints delaying the overall project. This will also help TEDBF take flight in the same timeline as the other two if it’s given funds too.
@@1999NIRUPAM I never said no to indigenous development. But these PSUs are killing by delaying it. Priority is defense of the nation, not indigenous development. If indigenous development helps, we should support. TEDBF is not economically viable with only 70 jets. So it is better to abandon that.
Can this mob nuclear reactor power big aircraft carrier?
Jaguars had thier unique mark in our Airforce. Sad to see its departure from Active force 😢.
But is Mk1A suitable replacement given that, Jaguars major role was low fly bombing?
MK1A cannot replace Jaguar as MK1A role is primarily interception where Jaguar is ground attack deep penetration jet.
@@vaimurthy Jaugaur was not suited during balakot we had to use mirage... jaguar are display
Is it possible to modify jaguars as UAVs?
Wow that BARCS mobile reactor technology could be a game changer for military applications but i would like to see the safety report on it and what happens if it gets into enemies hands ect
There could be a design for self destruct via a massive explosion, could allow us to destroy enemy bases if this falls in their hands, maybe a button or something used by a high ranking officer
If MRFA program can cause delay in Tejas MK II then better to scrap MRFA and concentrate on Tejas. and AMCA
What is stopping HAL to make MK2 available faster. Funds approved, design completed. Only thing that is required is build prototype and test. Unless there is design issues which is yet to be sorted out, they should be ready in 5 years. Otherwise HAL is as usual pathetic.
yeah.. and it willl be underdevelopment for 50 years we will get under quality aircraft in 2090....stop mk2 and get rafaels .. start work and involve private industry
Upgrade Suki 57 fighter jet with new engine best country defence for twenty years
MRFA still alive 😮
If rafale is too costly then su57/75 is best option under tot and mki.
We can procure the enhine tot with safran and rollsroyce, focus on 5th and 6th gen fighters.
Why would we buy these russian jets which has unknown capability and high on maintenance.
Su 75 is still on paper.
I really don't understand why the hell are we bent on buying 114 MRFA.spend more on LAC MK1A or MK2 ,jet engine development and AMCA.
Already ordered huge number of Tejas mk1A. And MK2 is still years away. So we need a good fighter very soon.
Jet engine, I agree with, 100%
The question is, what do we do between now and the delivery of Mark 1A, Mark 2 ...?
Even if HAL delivers, on average, 18 (Mark 1A) aircraft a year, it'll take us 10 years to get all 180 aircraft... that's 2034.
There isn't even a Mark 2 prototype right now... when will the Air Force actually begin to receive Mark 2s is anyone's guess...
If you take a cold, hard look at numbers and time frames, you will realise that the MRFA is a necessity. We have no choice.
Look at it this way: the MRFA will give our fledgling aerospace sector a huge boost.
U need to keep buying internationally... 1) to be battle ready and 2) to keep getting some technology transfer
Because MK1A and MK2 dont match the capability of Rafale or Typhoons. AMCA is still on paper like MK2
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@@firetree2007 As usual mouth fighting
MRFA is dead because price is insane, though IAF will have to compromise with it's ability for at least half decade, but IAF have to
ramp-up Tejas mk2, Amca and have to join TEDBF for it's airforce version.
What is IAF has to do with MK2 and AMCA which is in development
If in future MRFA Occurs Rafale will be the Winner as India can completely rely on france
Nice, Jaguars are getting retired. But the DoD has not even planned any future attack or bomber planes.
Nobody makes attack planes now. It's all multirole which does everything
Airforce should be capable enough to neutralise awacs & refuellers in aerial threats
Best to buy US F15 ex in MRFA it will never delay bcas they can produce yearly 28 fighter jet and they will accept all our demand.
@@Hriday-q6w Because they dont need as they have plenty of F15 and plenty of F35. Dont compare US scenario with ours.
@@Hriday-q6w Boeing quality degraded in civilian jets for sure. Not sure about military jets. F15 is still one of the best heavy weight jet with 100-0 track record. But we dont need it for MRFA
@@Jefe-Grande just different thought. Imaging ordering 2 more squadrons of Rafale and 4 of F15 EX. Rafale and F15 mix will be deadly. Offcourse it will be logistics nightmare.
Or other option could be sell all 272 Su 30 and replace with 120 F15 EX. This will completely will take care of heavy weight category.
@@Jefe-Grande That is why, it is better to sell Su 30 Russia or any other countries who operate Su 30. Use that money to get F15 is one of the option.
MRFA is no longer feasible. Govt should either buy 50-60 Rafales' from France via G2G model off the shelf and then funnel the rest of the funding to TEDBF, Tejas Mk2 and Amca.
Am reporting the channel for giving hopes for MRF from gripen to Eurofighter, F22. Not done.
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India needs 35% more powerful engine with fifth generation technology😮
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No sales to Nigeria. In no time ummah jaan pilots from PAF will be flying Tejas
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Wahi to, duniya bhar se nahi lena par khud banana hai, offer to sab denge
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Don't worry our economy is growing at good pace...we can afford Rafaels
Yahi to IAF chahti Hai Taki jayada se jayada videshi fighter kharidne Jaye aur tejas ko band kar diya jaye
( Tejas mark 2 )
Why are these idiots trying overseas sales for Tejas when they don't have capacity for IAF orders and don't even have enough engines from GE? Have they completely lost their marbles?
Is Tejas mk1A worthy to replace jaguars ?? Genuine question.
More than worthy
@@kashyap_0-0_ Nope, both are for different roles
@@vaimurthy Idk about that but jaguars are old, had underpowered engines, smokes all the time, slow
Tejas mk1a is not
@@kashyap_0-0_ Issue is not about speed, Issue is about ground attack capability and deep strike capability. Both of which is weak point of MK1A with its limited range and payload
@@vaimurthymk1A is multirole
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Mrfa is most likely scrapped
The way india has invested in rafales it is viable to have rafales manufactured in india although the cost will go up by 25%. But the experience to manufacture a world class fighter jet will make india in par with european countries. Not to forget to export rafales from india to other countries generating income and revenue for india. Even sales and service providers will bring in revenue as in case of su30s. Experience on latest machines will enhance the capabilities and sharing technologies in our own inhouse TEJAS TEDBF AMCA thus making aircrafts more capable than chinese and pakistanis. Although the initial cost is there but it will be a huge jump of QUALITY AND QUANTITY covering all our needs. Rafales will be our next Su30s covering all our needs for next 50 years plus. Not to forget F5 F6 of rafales parts commonality can be manufactuted in india itself. Right now due to long list of demand for rafales india has to wait then why not to bring in or import machinery from france to manufacture rafales in india. The only concern is time for infrastructure. For that 24x7 and in assembly line HAL & L&T can do that. Please consider.
Our jets are already better than Pakistan, China is the only problem
We cannot buy 100 variety of aircraft available in world.
And those defence analyst against Rafale are antinationalist and may be on Chinese / pak payment.
Instead of wasting time the Indian government must procure F15Ex as it is a proven fighter jets and undefeated too, MRFA program is already too late if we keep on going with this pace we will surely not be able to achieve anything.
One of the best Deep Strike Fighter in IAF arsenal. The low flying Jaguar creates panic in enemies mind. I have seen numerous Jaguars flying low with thunderous roar.
Iaf darin 1 and darin 2 have become obsolete totally
114 fighters cost is mere $25B?, catch money of all corrupt politicians money you will get 4 times that amount.
That is true but realistically speaking that’s not going to happen plus the problem is we’re paying too much for a 4.5 gen aircraft when F 35s and Su 57s are much cheaper.
We should rather let that money go to indigenous programs and provide further subsidies to Indian private companies so that they step in and fast track the development.
India will not buy any more European or American aircraft due to Cost and not getting technology.For 20 billion Dollars - 1,66,000₹ Cr we could design & build a new type of aircraft including producing 100 + aircraft at the rate of 1000 ₹cr/pice.This way Technology, Production, Forex Reserve Stays in India.
Only prachand no tejas....😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mrfa is dead project instead of concentrating on mrfa we must buy 3 or 4 squardons of rafale and 6 to 8 squardons of tejas mk2 depending upon trails and concentrate more on amca fighter jets 300 to 350 and start a development of sixth generation fighter jet for the replacement of 4th generation fighter jet after 2050 or 2055
As per the recent announcement by the IAF chief, tejas mk2 orders will be enhanced to 10 or more squadrons. So i do think it is an indication of the cancellation of MRFA. Because there is no room left even for additional Rafales.
Until we increase production fighter jets air force will be not so useful
Erode fighter and rafel are the same.
India should look for combat proven F/15 EX
Even Rafale and Typhoons are combat proven. One of the top multirole jet
@@vaimurthy but not like F/15 which shot down satellite
AIM 9L 😂😂😂😂 are you kidding me? We don't want ET.
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After 2030, IAF inventory would consist of Super Sukhois, Tejas mk1/1a/2 & Rafales. And AMCA will be on its trials i guess. No need of MRFA.
We need 42 squadrons mrfa is necessary for these squadrons
@@MrUnknown38766you think govt will put money there especially with the diplomatic strings associated with foreign aircraft ? We can upgrade tejas continuously and whenever we want. We couldn't do that with mirage and rafale. Moreover they aren't ready to integrate indian weapons on rafale
@@suryanshsagar2677 what if govt congres came to power
Nope, Only with 2 squadrons of Rafale is not enough. MK1A is good for defense only. With MK2 10 years away and AMCA 15 years, we need good attack jet. So MRFA is must
@@MrUnknown38766Then we should forget any indigenous projects and only focus on outsourcing as done in the past decades by Congress....the reason they will not come into power is because the previous Congress candidates were good leaders, and I don't think the same can be said for Rahul Gandhi
MRFA is dead. Should focus on indigenous innovation.
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Govt IAF ko band karke air force ko repairment de hi de to accha hoga bhad main gayi desh Ki Suraksha 50 saal Purana mig 21 ko retair Karne Ki bajay 25 se 35 saal Purana fighter ko retair kar rahe Hain Taki govt ko dikha sake Ki IAF Ki taqat Kam ho rahi Hai aur govt jaldi se jaldi videshi fighter kharidne Ki koashiah kare
Arrey bhai, Mig 21 iss saal yaani 2024 mein completely retire ho jayega. Jaguar (mirage 2000) 2035 mein retire karney ka plan hei yani after 11 years. Kaisey dukhi ho jaatey ho bhai? Abhi 2035 ka retirement plan hei - but usually they use it for some more years. By the way jaguar was purchased in year 1982 ie 40 years back.
The current government squandered a decade of its term and nearly seven years' worth of the previous government's efforts on MRFA, yielding just 36 aircraft. Now, they're restarting the tender process. If they had initially contracted for more than 36 aircraft, it could have addressed the significant issue of dwindling fighter aircraft strength.
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MRFA deal will be cancelled. India have not sufficient money to purchase 114 fighter aircrafts at a time. So India should purchase 36 Rafale--F-5 for Indian Air Force and 36 Rafale--F-5 for Indian Navy... On the other hand Rafale or Typhoon are fourth generation fighter aircrafts. Indian Air Force doesn't need any fourth generation fighter aircraft after 2030. After 2030 Indian Air force and Indian Navy should purchase Sukhoi--57 or AMCA Fighter Aircraft...
Su 57 stealth capabilities are questionable, that is why we got out of this program
Why will we purchase 36 Rafaels for the navy, we are already having 26, and by that time TEDBF will be operational...Su57 is just trash
Total waste of money $25bn on a 4.5G fighter (which we can make ourselves Just a little longer timeline) We can get decent nos. of Su-57-70-75 AND some Mig-41s at that price ;)
Su 57 stealth capabilities are questionable and our forces are not interested about russian jets due to high maintenance and low availability.
Su 75 is still on paper
Bro how will we pay, Russia is sanctioned, paying for 114 fighters is not a joke, so Su57 is trash, MiG41 and Su75 are on paper, that is a massive timeline, the MRFA existed cause we wanted foreign jets quickly
No to euro fighter ok
germany unreliable partner
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Good video