I think if you’re going to steal a military tank, ignore all safety for others & turn it into incoming traffic you should expect to be shot. Those officers had mere moments when they got to the latch to make a decision and he was ignoring them whilst attempting to reenter oncoming traffic. I don’t think they shot him again. He succumbed to the one gunshot. And don’t forget they were above him. It’s hard to find a nonlethal shot at that aim. The officer may well have been trying not to kill him.
Kabir...despite what the movies and TV show, getting shot in the shoulder is often fatal. It is a place where many bones vital blood vessels share space, and even just getting him out of the tank would have been time consuming and likely made his wound much worse. It is absolutely possible to bleed out from just being shot once in the shoulder. 💯✌
I think he was hit in the top of the shoulder and the bullet traveled towards his feet... were he standing. 9mm fmj is going to make a long wound channel in that direction. -Kabir- The follow on video should be Killdozer. Another wild story.
There’s a basic general rule when carrying a firearm called Use of Deadly Force that states that you are authorized to use deadly force if your life or the lives of others are in jeopardy. That’s the most basic determining factor. Now, the guy had a tank, was confronted and told to surrender. If he had turned the tank off and raised his hands, he might be free today. But he continued to try and free the tank, jarring it back and forth, this is the first point where he crossed the threshold for use of deadly force because the officers could have been thrown off. If he freed it, civilians would have been put at risk again, second crossing of the threshold for use of deadly force. And there’s no such thing as shoot to wound. And considering the downward trajectory, both arms have a major artery that would probably be severed.
Shooting death - though tragic - was necessary for the public safety. This guy literally tried to destroy a pedestrian bridge, ran over vehicles - without knowledge if they had been occupied at the time or not - and was attempting to drive this tank head-on into oncoming highway traffic. Sometimes people with nothing to lose will try to take out as many others as they can.
I served with GSGT. Paul Paxton at Alpha Co. 4th Tanks in Miramar CA, both before and after our deployment to the Gulf. It was a Marine Reserve unit of M60 Tanks, and (Sgt. at that time) Paxton was a tank commander. He was also a full time S.D. police officer, as were many of the Marines in our unit. Paxton was a great Marine, squared away and well liked by everyone. The reason he was called to the tank was because of his knowledge of the tank itself. He knew how to open the top hatch, and where the driver seat was in relation, meaning he was the best option for initial contact upon breaching the interior of tank itself. The reason the driver was shot (for all you confused) was because the one tank track was still going, and if the tank would have tilted, it would have grabbed traction and went straight into oncoming lanes, most likely killing people on the freeway and beyond. GSGT Paul Paxton is a hero who most likely saved many innocent lives that day.
I served with Alpha Co. as well and Gunny Paxton was my first tank leader (Company Gunny). For the record, he didn't shoot the guy, his partner did. Gunny Paxton is awesome. I saw the tank drive by my work on Balboa Ave. It was surreal.
@@alanhays3033 This happened after I got out. I had heard that it was Paxton, and I've heard it was someone else that pulled the trigger. I'm going to go with what you said, but still attest that all involved were heroes. Without mentioning names, I remember seeing another one of our guys a couple of times on either COPS or LAPD, I always watched out for COPS episodes in Phoenix too, as out C.O. was a police officer there as well. I think one of the things that gave me comfort during our deployment was the fact that there were several police officers in our unit, Best of times, worst of times.
damn,thanks for serving,i was a 19k(us army,m1a1 abrams crewman) and yeah this is completely nuts.if the guy could have gotten one that was armed and another crewmember,it would have been quite hellish.but yeah people think it's all fun and games until a main battle tank strolls by.and I was also the 3rd to last class to graduate from knox too.2010-2013 3ID,2BN,1-64AR
100% heroes, and it really was necessary to shoot him. A top down shot to/near the torso is going to hit a lot of important stuff, no way around it. Thanks for the explanation of why there was a man who looked like a civilian on the tank though!
If you liked this, you should look up 'The Killdozer.' A, disgruntled man in Colorado fortified a bulldozer with a concrete and steel shell, and destroyed every structure belonging to specific members of the city who completely wronged him. There is a documentary on Netflix called Tread which explains his motives. And a lot of his motives were justified and he is a sort of hero.
Not sure the folks in Granby thought he was a hero. Most of my friends and family from there felt he had some legitimate grievances, but they still hated what he did. He destroyed a couple family businesses that went back generations and that never recovered, and traumatized quite a few people who didn’t have anything to do with his grievances. My parents knew and liked Heemeyer but never saw that side of him until that day.
He was too big of a risk to injure or kill many. They had to get him stopped somehow. They didn’t know what lead up to it, just that he was putting everyone in the area in danger.
There’s an even crazier tank story you can look into. Some other guy created this monster tank in his garage out of a bulldozer and went on a RAMPAGE that made this one look like childs play.
His name was Marvin Heemeyer. Granby was my hometown so while I didn’t know him many members of my family and friends did know him. A lot of people felt like he really got screwed over by the town council and that’s what set him off. I wonder if this incident is what inspired him to armor up that bulldozer about 9 years later.
I was living in San Diego at the time. Watched this happen live. Did you miss that tank plowing through an RV, trying to tear down a highway bridge, and clipping a house? And it was stopped trying to go into oncoming traffic. It was a weapon wether that nut had the guns armed or not. He was trying his damnest to kill people. I don't think the officer tried to kill him when they shot him. But they tried to end it without shooting him, he chose to keep trying to move the tank. It was the man's choice to risk death when he took that tank. Those police are heroes.
I was in a navy in San Diego when this happened. What most did what most people don't know is around this time there was an incident at 32nd street naval yard the naval yard where anti submarine rocket was launched over San Diego into the hills above.
What this video didn't mention was at the time the police didn't know for certain the tank had no ammo AND they had no way of knowing if he had taken any other weapons into the tank with him or concealed on him. The tank was rocking back and forth and there was a very real concern that he could get it unstuck and would continue driving into oncoming traffic and there was no way to know if that would take minutes or seconds. So yeah, shooting him was justified. The tank itself was being used as a weapon and he had already run over vehicles that didn't have anybody in them.
Kabir, the guy was a threat to the community and in the US anyone who is a threat can be legally shot by police or any member of the public with a legal gun. By the way, shooting someone in the shoulder can be very deadly because the shoulder has many blood vessels, which are connected to major organs in the human body.
I live in SoCal and remember this being all over the news for a few days, it was crazy! If I'm not mistaken, I believe the officer shot down at the guy from above at the top hatch of the tank, so the bullet may have entered the shoulder and traveled down into other vitals.
I been in the Army 10 years , my first 3 was in Heavy Artillery (MLRS) getting in and out of "track" vehicles isn't easy especially older ones. They are very small or narrow entries, even with minimum equipment on, imagine a person (cop) shooting inside such small spaces
OMG I remember this. It was crazy. Poor guy just lost it. Shoulder shot could easily hit lung, heart, etc. No tasers back then. They were worried about traffic during rush hour.
'I think shooting him was completely unnecessary'. He's trying to free the tank and move it into oncoming traffic. If the police didn't do something to stop that, and then he freed the tank, and killed one or more people in their cars on the highway, people would be screaming, 'why didn't the police do something!' Also, just because the bullet entered the shoulder, doesn't mean it didn't take another path once inside the flesh. That's not uncommon with gunshots. Also, where precisely in the shoulder did the round enter? "shot in the shoulder" is kind of a vague statement in the first place. I'm sure we could learn a lot more by seeing the autopsy report, which would describe the entry point of the projectile and the path of it and any fragmentation subsequent to the projectile entering.
Yeah, this is the worst take I've heard from Kabir. Then he goes on to say "he hasn't hurt anyone yet." Reactive policing does nothing to prevent a tragedy. If someone was holding another person hostage with a gun, you wouldn't say "well, he hasn't pulled the trigger yet, so the police shooting him would be unjustified." Anyone who is actively putting other lives at risk is asking for the bullet.
You say unnecessary? The rest of your post seems to imply it was necessary. Then you go on to give us some hilarious Dr. Google,, MD shit. 😆 Bro, what’s your take on the pig summarily executing a man in the middle of suffering a mental health crisis?
Your perception is really off on this one, imho. They didn't just decide to "kill" him as in *intentionally* ending him. The cop that was a marine shot him once. Yes, in his shoulder area. But that doesn't equal a meaningless flesh wound as you seem to believe. Remember he was an alcoholic and and addict using regularly by this time, which inhibits the blood's ability to clot properly among other things. Easily a shoulder shot could have hit the thoracoacromial artery, which branches off the axillary artery, hit the axillary artery itself, or hit the subclavian artery under the collarbone. He wasn't shot again, or having any further incidents, once he collapsed and was removed from the tank. He was in the process of bleeding out as they waited for the ambulance to arrive, continued to bleed out on the ride to the hospital, and they were unable to bring him back even with surgery and blood products to replace the loss. That cop that was a Marine could have easily shot him in the head. He made a choice to go for the shoulder to incapacitate, not to kill. In later interviews he acknowledged that, while he didn't intend to kill, he couldn't regret his actions in the face of what could have been if this man wasn't stopped. His brother found it justified because he understood the transformation his brother had gone through as a result of all of the hardships he'd suffered. He knew that his brother wanted to do harm and believed stopping him was the right thing to do, even if it meant his death.
I remember being in the 5th grade when this happened, it happened about 5 miles from my school, our teacher brought a tv into our class room and we sat and watched the whole unfold
I remember seeing this story on the news. In my city, Chicago, a man stole a machine that I think you call a digger (with the big movable claw in front) from around 7400 South. He drove it to my neighborhood, 6900 North without getting caught by the police. He used it to rip out the Bank ATM and drag it away!
@@robloxiangamer2.013 good luck getting more than one or two officers in a claustrophobic war machine's turret to drag out a guy from the driver's seat so they dont shoot him not only that, but the risk would've been high if they somehow went with that option. as Brian The Bard said, you could've never had known if he would free that thing edit: i seem to have not noticed that the driver's hatch was also open. doesn't really change that much, the risk would've still been high
He did fire the tank when he first took it. He was asked to surrender but failed to do so. He was intent on freeing the tank and ramming into oncoming traffic. Tasing someone requires close proximity. Clearly he was far enough away from them to make that unfeasible. What were they supposed to do? Finally, it does seem as if he was heading for the hospital. He was such a mess physically (including hard drug use), mentally, and emotionally that may have contributed to his death from what might otherwise have been a survivable wound.
I was born and raised in San Diego. I remember when this happened. It was bizzare. At fist we wondered if it was some sort of attack but that didn't make sense because it was just one tank. For everyone at home, watching the news, it basically turned into a highspeed chase except there was a tank involved and the Marines were dispatched. It seemed obvious, it would end quickly, as soon as the Marines were dispatched because we are a Marine town and obviously whoever was in the tank would be in a lot of trouble. In the meantime, we just waited to see if innocent people or structures would be hurt.
The way that tank is designed, there is no practical way to force the driver out against their will in any reasonable amount of time. And from watching it on TV when it happened the officers were understandably concerned the tank was going to get lose from the barrier. And it was only luck they guy had not killed anyone yet. He was deliberatly running into and over things so it was not just a joy ride. So they had to shoot him or take a chance he got free and killed someone wi th the tank. If anyone has to die it was definatly him. Imagine if he got free and ran over a car or a school bus or a house or a hospital killing some little kid… As for the shoulder wound. The guy was shot from above. The driver if that tank sits down low and towards the front left. NOT up ij the turret, There is little opening between the turret and the drivers seat. So the officer was behind/above the guy im the turret shooting down and left. Odds are the bullet entered his right shoulder traveling down in the direction of his stomach. All sorts of things are along that line. Lungs being the most likly thing hit. And a lung shot is extremely dangerous. Including the heart. Just hecause it started in the shoulder dies mot mean it only damaged the shoulder. A 9mm (a common police round) has enough power at that range to travel a LONG way in a body. So if you don't think he should have been shot (after multiple attempts to get him to surrender but he was still trying to free the tank and doing a reasonable job of freeing it) then tell us how you think it should have been handled. Don't just sit their and say “oh he should not have been killed” tell us exactly how YOU would have stopped him. BTW that Attack helicopter was not coming to give the guy a ticket. You only scramble an attack helicopter to go after a tank if you arm it with anti-tank weapons… This was a serious situation.
The debate at the end is certainly an interesting and philosophical one. Perhaps that officer, who as mentioned in the video served in the military, has a different view of killing and sacrifice than that sheltered civilian girl which could explain their differing viewpoints. Interestingly, that girl being upset highlights her hypocrisy; after all, according to her, if that killing was unjustified, then what right does any body of power (e.g. military, government intelligence agencies, law enforcement, etc.) have to kill anybody, even if it's done with the "best" intentions i.e. kill one to save a hundred. The military kills "suspected" terrorists quite frequently and snipers kill hostage takers/robbers frequently as well yet there is no widespread outrage yet when a cop kills an active threat it's a problem? Hypocrisy at its finest. P.S. it is indeed an active threat, a tank is capable of killing without firing its gun Kabir (think what happened in Tiananmen)
The police acted on the scant information they had. Had they known of his drug and alcohol abuse, I don't see any different outcome. As long as he was operating that tank, he might have been capable of killing and destroying past any personal pain. The REAL tragedy is that no one thought to do some outreach that might have prevented this altogether.
To think it was unjustified to shoot him is a bit short sighted, Kabir. The guy stole a tank and went berserker mode through San Diego. The police knew one thing: if he’s crazy enough to steal a tank and go on that kind of rampage, he’s very capable of doing something worse. And the cop who shot him wasn’t trying to kill him, or else he could’ve just shot him in the head. He was trying incapacitate him, it just so happens that the gunshot turned out to be a fatal one. In a situation like that, I’m sure you would even agree, better that guy dies than a number of innocent bystanders.
You asked about the rights to income from oil found on one's property. My mom had oil wells in a little town in Illinois, and she still was getting paid on them when she died. 10 months after she died, our youngest brother died too. My husband had died two years before Mom.
I live in Canada. I remember when I bought my house in 1985 it CLEARLY stated that I had SURFACE RIGHTS ONLY. Anything underground on my property was NOT my property!
There was no way to shoot him in the shoulder in such cramped quarters to guarantee giving him a non-lethal wound. The police had a very small window of opportunity to neutralize him, They risked him regaining control of the tank, thus putting on-coming motorists, and the officers on top of the tank in total jeopardy. He had to be stopped then and there. By his commandeering the tank the man was trying to commit a form of indirect suicide. Unfortunately, the man either a) didn't think he had any mental health resources to help him: or b) he didn't think he was worth reaching out for help. This was horribly sad. Thank God he didn't kill anyone, apart from himself.
"imagine looking down your road and seeing a real life tank coming towards you" oh ive had that experience the military used the town thats mostly military housing for their urban training i woke up one day looked out the window and there was a platoon of soldiers in full combat gear advancing towards my house thats a bit terrifying for the first time then you figure out whats going on its even more scary when its US troops getting dropped off in US vehicles in canada until you find out its a joint training operation
It's pretty sad of the guys situation and even dangerous when matched up with his experience or capabilities with the Tank. Still there was lack of security at the Armory, that could have been prevented
When you purchase a piece of property, if you want to dig, drill, mine, etc., you have to also purchase the mineral rights to the property. Like this video describes, you also have to clear any major work you want to do, with the municipal or county zoning commission. If someone else, like a corporation, owns the mineral rights to your property, they can theoretically mine your property, with or without your permission. Usually though, they will offer you some sort of compensation, such as a cut of the profits, or whatever they're mining for free, if it's a utility like natural gas or water, or they may even pay you to move.
I remember when this happened. I was 12-13 years old and it was on every news station. Also, as has been stated, it wasn’t a straight though the shoulder horizontal wound (which is still life threatening) but from the top down. Top down through the shoulder can go through the torso. I do agree with you though, I feel badly for him. He totally snapped. Reminds me of the Michael Douglas movie “falling down” where he just loses it one day. Good movie - you should add it to your list :)
This was absolutely insane!!! I've lived in San Diego all my life, and the totally insane things that have happened here have been mind-blowing!! He did this during rush hour!!! Total crazy man!!! Shooting straight down into his shoulder means the bullet went straight to his heart and/or lungs.
Getting shot in the shoulder can most certainly be fatal. The shoulder contains the subclavian artery, which, if severed can cause a fatal bleedout in 90 seconds. Such an injury is rare, because the artery is well protected, but the angle of the shot in this case (from directly above), may have caused sufficient damage that the surgeons couldn't get to it in time. Some reports said he was shot in the neck, but I was unable to verify either claim.
Yep I remember watching this on the tele live and the whole time saying how do you stop a tank can’t use a few cop cars to block the road, can’t shot it with a handgun how can he be stopped lucky he didn’t kill everyone he drove near
Hi Kabir. I remember when this happened! Riveting stuff. None of us who grew up in Calif. had ever seen anything like this. I think the only one who died was Nelson, but he sure as hell scared the crap out of a lot people! 😮 You can die from shoulder wounds because there is a artery there that leads to the heart. You will bleed out. Same thing happened to the singer Selena. She was shot in the right back shoulder.
It's not really "a horrible chain of misfortune," it's just life. It looks like those events occurred over a five year time frame, not one immediately after another. Our older parents die, and people get divorced. The normal reaction isn't to steal a tank and destroy things. Kabir, it's kind of crazy how you like come up with wild scenarios and conclusions based on the scantest amount of information. If you really want to know more about what happened, instead of just wildly guessing, why not dig a little deeper into the story? The AP at the time reported that he was hit in the neck, not the shoulder.
This video cut out most of the tank chase where he ran over multiple cars and did a ton of damage across San Diego. You get more insight about his motivation though. The potential for danger to the public and officers totally justified the use of deadly force.
Bullet wounds to extremities, shoulders, arms, legs, etc. result in fatalities far more often than popular media might suggest due to blood clots, migrating bullet fragments, infection, etc. Also keep in mind tasers and other less than lethal options were not nearly as widely deployed in 1995 as they are today, so there is a good chance none of the officers there on the scene had one readily available.
At which angle did the bullet penetrate the shoulder. It could have ripped through a lot of stuff on the way down through his body. It also depends on the caliber weapon the officer fired. Thanks for the video and your reaction to it.
I understood it was from the top down. What I was talking was it from right to left, front to back. It could have gone from the left shoulder to the right hip. It would have tore up all sorts of stuff on that trajectory.
The bullet that struck Nelson's shoulder would have been at quite a close distance and from up above. It wouldn't be hard for a common handgun cartridge (9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP) to blow through his shoulder and right into his lung. Depending on the angle and depth, many other vital organs would have been damaged. It was a justified shooting. Nelson had already proven he had disregard for his fellow man by his actions. Also, what were the chances this guy was high-as-a-kite? I'm willing to wager he wasn't going to stop until he was dead.
Shawn Nelson unfortunately suffered from PTSD and other mental illnesses, so he got really drunk and wanted to end it all. So he went to San Diego's National Guard Armory and found a unlocked gate and so he entered the first tank, it wouldn't turn on, he entered a second one it wouldn't turn on either. But once he entered the third one, it turned on. And so he drove it through a neighborhood destroying nearby vehicles, homes and fire hydrants, and drove through a school zone, fortunately no-one was involved but shawn almost killed a some people during the chase and when he entered the highway, he tried to break through the center divider but fortunately git stuck in the process and so the cops weren't able to open the hatch but right when Shawn tried to move the tank on last time, the cops opened the hatch and shoot him. Even though that Shawn Nelson stole a military tank from an armory, it wasn't his fault because he suffered from PTSD and other illnesses. Like just imagine it real quick and think about how would you feel if you were in his shoes? Let's still respect him for protecting our country 🫡🇺🇲
Depending on your property deed you may or may not have mineral rights. Sometimes other entities assume those rights such as your homeowners association, local state and county governments. The seller of your property usually clarifies mineral rights. If you got it then their yours.
In my state mineral rights can only be retained by the seller for a certain number of years if not being actively exploited. In my area that mostly means oil and gas wells, ie you can have some farm land, someone drills an oil well on it, and you can retain the mineral rights to oil as long as the oil well remains active even after selling the land. However if there is no active well on the property you can only retain the mineral rights for a certain number of years or else they revert to the new owner. I forget the actual number, but think it is 10 years from time of sale, or 3 years from time a existing well goes inactive.
Nelson was shot in the shoulder, from above. The driver's position in an M60 is exposed to the turret basket, but from the commander's hatch that's still looking down the driver's back from some feet away.
I was only 6 at the time, so don't really remember this, but it happened a couple of miles from my house. My mom worked in Kearney Mesa (at a different hospital I think lol), but I don't think she happened to be on the freeway at the time.
I personally just go on rampages and high speed chases on GTA. I’m so bad at the game, but pretty good at outrunning the cops. In real life, I drive like a grandma and am always cautious.
There are some major arteries and veins in/around the shoulder. Plus some shrapnel could richochet into lung or heart. He didn’t fire the tank because it likely had no ammo in it.
Remember the shot was fired downward from above his head - the bullet likely traveled downward through the body. Officer Paxton fired his weapon to protect innocent lives.
When you gain a property, what is in the ground is yours. You own all the way down to the core. Also, the tank wouldn’t have ammunition. Weaponry is unloaded and ammunition stores intentionally held separate from vehicles and weaponry within its own secure warehouse. Scenarios like this one being why. If the tank was fully armed it would have been truly devastating and the chopper would have been forced to fire upon the tank its own self, with potentially devastating collateral.
Parts of the tank trek were left out. He backed the tank up at one point and nearly crushed a vehicle occupied by a woman and her daughter. Plus he crushed many cars not knowing if they were occupied or not
Nah man. I’m surprised they even told him to surrender and not just opened fire. And not just one bullet, the whole magazine. The cops must’ve had much different training back then!
I remember this one. Seems like the 90's was the era for crazy sh!t on live TV. I'll never forget my best friend calling me up saying "The cops are chasing OJ live on TV"! As far a the whole oil thing I believe it falls under 'mineral rights'. I inherited mineral rights in N.M. I don't own the land but basically everything found underground is mine; at least to my knowledge.
As a former m60 tank driver the mistake he made was trying to go over the berm so yea it would have taken the cobra to stop him. If it was top with fuel he would have been going for a long time!
This is one problem with how movies, etc. portray gunshot wounds. They treat it as if it's only fatal of it's a torso shot or headshot. But, as other people have pointed out, your shoulder is in such close proximity to your carotid and jugular that it houses many large blood vessels. Also, don't forget, the officer would have shot at a downward angle so the bullet could've easily hit a artery or traveled into the lung or heart
I mean you aren't going to wrestle the guy out, the hatch for the driver is under the reversed turret, so no entry there, and through the turret hatch they won't be able to see much of him, tanks are rather confined vehicles. The shot they took was likely all they could see of him.
Property rights, Mineral Rights, Water Rights all have their own volumes in a law library. This guy was simply delusional - on a whole number of levels.
All it takes is one bad day. Or multiple ones in his case. I remember OK City but not this as a kid. Crazy unique situation, but glad to hear no one got hurt. I think the cops were justified and a tank is moving weapon. You have to check out the bulldozer/homemade tank one. I remember watching that unfold on the news when I was living in CO. In Granby CO, a guy built a homemade tank out of a bulldozer and went on a destruction spree. Netflicks has a documentary on it.
A shot to the shoulder area can easily sever the subclavian artery that leads directly to the heart and a person would, most times, succumb to that trauma before reaching the hospital, due to the large volume of blood loss.
I remember this. I was living in El Cajon, (not far away). The same with those nut-jobs who committed mass suicide for the Hale Bop Comet. (Heaven's Gate). The same with Laurence Singleton who cut that girls arms off and left her in the desert. And that guy that killed Versace. Hmm....must have been a busy decade.
Nelson was shot in his shoulder from above which meant the bullet went through the shoulder and into his body probably piercing a major artery or his heart.
I guess by reading some comments, even just getting shot in the shoulder can be fatal. To me, the fact that the officer shot in the shoulder makes me think he probably wasn’t trying to kill him but at the same time, you have to what’s best for innocent bystanders and anyone at risk in harms way.
Law enforcement is an extremely tough profession. Split second life and death decisions need to be made every day and all officers handle the stress differently. If you have ever been up and close to a tank it is extremely tight quarters inside. Unfortunately use of tasers by law enforcement did not go into effect until the 2000s. Would another officer have chosen a different method of de-escalating the situation? Even today there is not a wealth of mental health services for members of the military. Perhaps if Shawn had had a place or someone to go to for help this situation could have been avoided.
Getting shot in real life isn't like getting shot in the movies. The shoulder still has major arteries that can result in a person bleeding out very fast. Also, shooting him in the shoulder at that angle from above more than likely resulted in the round passing down into his organs. A shoulder shot can still be just as fatal as any other shot. The movies usually have it all wrong.
I would assume that since the shot is coming from above (thru the tank hatch), that “shot in shoulder” isn’t quite what you think. The bullet would have entered the shoulder but continued into more vital areas of the body.
The shoulder isn’t necessarily a lethal place to be shot, but if the wound isn’t treated properly, he could lose too much blood and bleed out. Plus the intent to move over into the other lane into oncoming traffic is a direct threat to civilian lives, and lethal force is authorized.
I think if you’re going to steal a military tank, ignore all safety for others & turn it into incoming traffic you should expect to be shot. Those officers had mere moments when they got to the latch to make a decision and he was ignoring them whilst attempting to reenter oncoming traffic. I don’t think they shot him again. He succumbed to the one gunshot. And don’t forget they were above him. It’s hard to find a nonlethal shot at that aim. The officer may well have been trying not to kill him.
Kabir...despite what the movies and TV show, getting shot in the shoulder is often fatal. It is a place where many bones vital blood vessels share space, and even just getting him out of the tank would have been time consuming and likely made his wound much worse. It is absolutely possible to bleed out from just being shot once in the shoulder. 💯✌
I think he was hit in the top of the shoulder and the bullet traveled towards his feet... were he standing. 9mm fmj is going to make a long wound channel in that direction.
-Kabir-
The follow on video should be Killdozer. Another wild story.
@@ur_quainmaster7901 police don’t use FMJs. JHPs are mandatory in every police station I know of in the USA.
@@AdplusamequalsadamThat makes sense, police shoot to kill... military shoot to wound.
@@Adplusamequalsadam Would that have been the case back in 1995 too? Just curious in case the JHP is a more recent adoption?
@@ur_quainmaster7901 and police don’t want over penetration, they want the bullet to stop in the target.
There’s a basic general rule when carrying a firearm called Use of Deadly Force that states that you are authorized to use deadly force if your life or the lives of others are in jeopardy. That’s the most basic determining factor. Now, the guy had a tank, was confronted and told to surrender. If he had turned the tank off and raised his hands, he might be free today. But he continued to try and free the tank, jarring it back and forth, this is the first point where he crossed the threshold for use of deadly force because the officers could have been thrown off. If he freed it, civilians would have been put at risk again, second crossing of the threshold for use of deadly force. And there’s no such thing as shoot to wound.
And considering the downward trajectory, both arms have a major artery that would probably be severed.
Shooting death - though tragic - was necessary for the public safety. This guy literally tried to destroy a pedestrian bridge, ran over vehicles - without knowledge if they had been occupied at the time or not - and was attempting to drive this tank head-on into oncoming highway traffic. Sometimes people with nothing to lose will try to take out as many others as they can.
I served with GSGT. Paul Paxton at Alpha Co. 4th Tanks in Miramar CA, both before and after our deployment to the Gulf. It was a Marine Reserve unit of M60 Tanks, and (Sgt. at that time) Paxton was a tank commander. He was also a full time S.D. police officer, as were many of the Marines in our unit. Paxton was a great Marine, squared away and well liked by everyone. The reason he was called to the tank was because of his knowledge of the tank itself. He knew how to open the top hatch, and where the driver seat was in relation, meaning he was the best option for initial contact upon breaching the interior of tank itself. The reason the driver was shot (for all you confused) was because the one tank track was still going, and if the tank would have tilted, it would have grabbed traction and went straight into oncoming lanes, most likely killing people on the freeway and beyond. GSGT Paul Paxton is a hero who most likely saved many innocent lives that day.
I served with Alpha Co. as well and Gunny Paxton was my first tank leader (Company Gunny). For the record, he didn't shoot the guy, his partner did. Gunny Paxton is awesome. I saw the tank drive by my work on Balboa Ave. It was surreal.
@@alanhays3033 This happened after I got out. I had heard that it was Paxton, and I've heard it was someone else that pulled the trigger. I'm going to go with what you said, but still attest that all involved were heroes. Without mentioning names, I remember seeing another one of our guys a couple of times on either COPS or LAPD, I always watched out for COPS episodes in Phoenix too, as out C.O. was a police officer there as well. I think one of the things that gave me comfort during our deployment was the fact that there were several police officers in our unit, Best of times, worst of times.
@@dougfisher1266 Doug Could not agree more.
damn,thanks for serving,i was a 19k(us army,m1a1 abrams crewman) and yeah this is completely nuts.if the guy could have gotten one that was armed and another crewmember,it would have been quite hellish.but yeah people think it's all fun and games until a main battle tank strolls by.and I was also the 3rd to last class to graduate from knox too.2010-2013 3ID,2BN,1-64AR
100% heroes, and it really was necessary to shoot him. A top down shot to/near the torso is going to hit a lot of important stuff, no way around it. Thanks for the explanation of why there was a man who looked like a civilian on the tank though!
If you liked this, you should look up 'The Killdozer.' A, disgruntled man in Colorado fortified a bulldozer with a concrete and steel shell, and destroyed every structure belonging to specific members of the city who completely wronged him. There is a documentary on Netflix called Tread which explains his motives. And a lot of his motives were justified and he is a sort of hero.
Came to post this.
Not sure the folks in Granby thought he was a hero. Most of my friends and family from there felt he had some legitimate grievances, but they still hated what he did. He destroyed a couple family businesses that went back generations and that never recovered, and traumatized quite a few people who didn’t have anything to do with his grievances. My parents knew and liked Heemeyer but never saw that side of him until that day.
I wonder if this is what inspired Heemeyer to do what he did.
Yes!
He was too big of a risk to injure or kill many. They had to get him stopped somehow. They didn’t know what lead up to it, just that he was putting everyone in the area in danger.
There’s an even crazier tank story you can look into. Some other guy created this monster tank in his garage out of a bulldozer and went on a RAMPAGE that made this one look like childs play.
yeah, that happened in Granby, CO. The guy almost destroyed half the town.
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His name was Marvin Heemeyer. Granby was my hometown so while I didn’t know him many members of my family and friends did know him. A lot of people felt like he really got screwed over by the town council and that’s what set him off. I wonder if this incident is what inspired him to armor up that bulldozer about 9 years later.
I was living in San Diego at the time. Watched this happen live. Did you miss that tank plowing through an RV, trying to tear down a highway bridge, and clipping a house? And it was stopped trying to go into oncoming traffic. It was a weapon wether that nut had the guns armed or not. He was trying his damnest to kill people. I don't think the officer tried to kill him when they shot him. But they tried to end it without shooting him, he chose to keep trying to move the tank. It was the man's choice to risk death when he took that tank. Those police are heroes.
I was in a navy in San Diego when this happened. What most did what most people don't know is around this time there was an incident at 32nd street naval yard the naval yard where anti submarine rocket was launched over San Diego into the hills above.
What this video didn't mention was at the time the police didn't know for certain the tank had no ammo AND they had no way of knowing if he had taken any other weapons into the tank with him or concealed on him.
The tank was rocking back and forth and there was a very real concern that he could get it unstuck and would continue driving into oncoming traffic and there was no way to know if that would take minutes or seconds.
So yeah, shooting him was justified. The tank itself was being used as a weapon and he had already run over vehicles that didn't have anybody in them.
Kabir, the guy was a threat to the community and in the US anyone who is a threat can be legally shot by police or any member of the public with a legal gun. By the way, shooting someone in the shoulder can be very deadly because the shoulder has many blood vessels, which are connected to major organs in the human body.
I live in SoCal and remember this being all over the news for a few days, it was crazy! If I'm not mistaken, I believe the officer shot down at the guy from above at the top hatch of the tank, so the bullet may have entered the shoulder and traveled down into other vitals.
I been in the Army 10 years , my first 3 was in Heavy Artillery (MLRS) getting in and out of "track" vehicles isn't easy especially older ones. They are very small or narrow entries, even with minimum equipment on, imagine a person (cop) shooting inside such small spaces
OMG I remember this. It was crazy. Poor guy just lost it. Shoulder shot could easily hit lung, heart, etc. No tasers back then. They were worried about traffic during rush hour.
'I think shooting him was completely unnecessary'. He's trying to free the tank and move it into oncoming traffic. If the police didn't do something to stop that, and then he freed the tank, and killed one or more people in their cars on the highway, people would be screaming, 'why didn't the police do something!'
Also, just because the bullet entered the shoulder, doesn't mean it didn't take another path once inside the flesh. That's not uncommon with gunshots. Also, where precisely in the shoulder did the round enter? "shot in the shoulder" is kind of a vague statement in the first place. I'm sure we could learn a lot more by seeing the autopsy report, which would describe the entry point of the projectile and the path of it and any fragmentation subsequent to the projectile entering.
I have no problem with them shooting him. But I think a lot of people wonder why they didn't try to physically remove him first.
Yeah, this is the worst take I've heard from Kabir. Then he goes on to say "he hasn't hurt anyone yet." Reactive policing does nothing to prevent a tragedy. If someone was holding another person hostage with a gun, you wouldn't say "well, he hasn't pulled the trigger yet, so the police shooting him would be unjustified." Anyone who is actively putting other lives at risk is asking for the bullet.
@@ssmitty ... Precisely.
You say unnecessary? The rest of your post seems to imply it was necessary. Then you go on to give us some hilarious Dr. Google,, MD shit. 😆
Bro, what’s your take on the pig summarily executing a man in the middle of suffering a mental health crisis?
Typical sheltered European mindset
I remember this! Didn't he go through the drive-thru at McDonalds. Talk about ordering a Big Mac!
I remember this on the news on tv. Crazy!
Your perception is really off on this one, imho. They didn't just decide to "kill" him as in *intentionally* ending him. The cop that was a marine shot him once. Yes, in his shoulder area. But that doesn't equal a meaningless flesh wound as you seem to believe. Remember he was an alcoholic and and addict using regularly by this time, which inhibits the blood's ability to clot properly among other things. Easily a shoulder shot could have hit the thoracoacromial artery, which branches off the axillary artery, hit the axillary artery itself, or hit the subclavian artery under the collarbone. He wasn't shot again, or having any further incidents, once he collapsed and was removed from the tank. He was in the process of bleeding out as they waited for the ambulance to arrive, continued to bleed out on the ride to the hospital, and they were unable to bring him back even with surgery and blood products to replace the loss. That cop that was a Marine could have easily shot him in the head. He made a choice to go for the shoulder to incapacitate, not to kill. In later interviews he acknowledged that, while he didn't intend to kill, he couldn't regret his actions in the face of what could have been if this man wasn't stopped. His brother found it justified because he understood the transformation his brother had gone through as a result of all of the hardships he'd suffered. He knew that his brother wanted to do harm and believed stopping him was the right thing to do, even if it meant his death.
I watched on T.V. that tank theft live when it happened years ago in San Diego!!
I remember being in the 5th grade when this happened, it happened about 5 miles from my school, our teacher brought a tv into our class room and we sat and watched the whole unfold
I remember seeing this story on the news. In my city, Chicago, a man stole a machine that I think you call a digger (with the big movable claw in front) from around 7400 South. He drove it to my neighborhood, 6900 North without getting caught by the police. He used it to rip out the Bank ATM and drag it away!
I remember watching this live on t.v. with a couple friends. Yea, we were laughing. I live an hour north in Orange County.
100 percent justified. That officer saved unknown countless lives if he would have gotten the tank free.
I think the point is stopping him was the goal. Non lethal means would have worked just as well.
@@Bear78420 what nonlethal? I doubt if he could reach him with a Billy club. Didn't have tasers back then.
Yeah I know, but to be honest they had a bunch of officers! They could of just jumped in all together and arrest him.
@@robloxiangamer2.013 good luck getting more than one or two officers in a claustrophobic war machine's turret to drag out a guy from the driver's seat so they dont shoot him
not only that, but the risk would've been high if they somehow went with that option. as Brian The Bard said, you could've never had known if he would free that thing
edit: i seem to have not noticed that the driver's hatch was also open. doesn't really change that much, the risk would've still been high
He did fire the tank when he first took it. He was asked to surrender but failed to do so. He was intent on freeing the tank and ramming into oncoming traffic. Tasing someone requires close proximity. Clearly he was far enough away from them to make that unfeasible. What were they supposed to do? Finally, it does seem as if he was heading for the hospital. He was such a mess physically (including hard drug use), mentally, and emotionally that may have contributed to his death from what might otherwise have been a survivable wound.
He wasn't simply shot in the shoulder like in the movies. He was shot DOWN into the shoulder-- the bullet went down into God knows what.
I was born and raised in San Diego. I remember when this happened. It was bizzare. At fist we wondered if it was some sort of attack but that didn't make sense because it was just one tank. For everyone at home, watching the news, it basically turned into a highspeed chase except there was a tank involved and the Marines were dispatched. It seemed obvious, it would end quickly, as soon as the Marines were dispatched because we are a Marine town and obviously whoever was in the tank would be in a lot of trouble. In the meantime, we just waited to see if innocent people or structures would be hurt.
Whether mineral rights are attached to a property depends on the history of the lot. Commonly they are, unless previously sold.
The way that tank is designed, there is no practical way to force the driver out against their will in any reasonable amount of time. And from watching it on TV when it happened the officers were understandably concerned the tank was going to get lose from the barrier. And it was only luck they guy had not killed anyone yet. He was deliberatly running into and over things so it was not just a joy ride. So they had to shoot him or take a chance he got free and killed someone wi th the tank. If anyone has to die it was definatly him. Imagine if he got free and ran over a car or a school bus or a house or a hospital killing some little kid…
As for the shoulder wound. The guy was shot from above. The driver if that tank sits down low and towards the front left. NOT up ij the turret, There is little opening between the turret and the drivers seat. So the officer was behind/above the guy im the turret shooting down and left. Odds are the bullet entered his right shoulder traveling down in the direction of his stomach. All sorts of things are along that line. Lungs being the most likly thing hit. And a lung shot is extremely dangerous. Including the heart. Just hecause it started in the shoulder dies mot mean it only damaged the shoulder.
A 9mm (a common police round) has enough power at that range to travel a LONG way in a body.
So if you don't think he should have been shot (after multiple attempts to get him to surrender but he was still trying to free the tank and doing a reasonable job of freeing it) then tell us how you think it should have been handled. Don't just sit their and say “oh he should not have been killed” tell us exactly how YOU would have stopped him.
BTW that Attack helicopter was not coming to give the guy a ticket. You only scramble an attack helicopter to go after a tank if you arm it with anti-tank weapons… This was a serious situation.
I remember this on TV! It was terrible and fascinating.
The debate at the end is certainly an interesting and philosophical one. Perhaps that officer, who as mentioned in the video served in the military, has a different view of killing and sacrifice than that sheltered civilian girl which could explain their differing viewpoints. Interestingly, that girl being upset highlights her hypocrisy; after all, according to her, if that killing was unjustified, then what right does any body of power (e.g. military, government intelligence agencies, law enforcement, etc.) have to kill anybody, even if it's done with the "best" intentions i.e. kill one to save a hundred. The military kills "suspected" terrorists quite frequently and snipers kill hostage takers/robbers frequently as well yet there is no widespread outrage yet when a cop kills an active threat it's a problem? Hypocrisy at its finest.
P.S. it is indeed an active threat, a tank is capable of killing without firing its gun Kabir (think what happened in Tiananmen)
The police acted on the scant information they had. Had they known of his drug and alcohol abuse, I don't see any different outcome. As long as he was operating that tank, he might have been capable of killing and destroying past any personal pain.
The REAL tragedy is that no one thought to do some outreach that might have prevented this altogether.
I remember this. I was in a Pub/Tavern when this happened and we drank every time he wrecked a car.
I vividly remember this when it happened. I think my sister still lived in San Diego at the time.
As others have mentioned, "Killdozer " is another one worth reacting too.
To think it was unjustified to shoot him is a bit short sighted, Kabir. The guy stole a tank and went berserker mode through San Diego. The police knew one thing: if he’s crazy enough to steal a tank and go on that kind of rampage, he’s very capable of doing something worse. And the cop who shot him wasn’t trying to kill him, or else he could’ve just shot him in the head. He was trying incapacitate him, it just so happens that the gunshot turned out to be a fatal one. In a situation like that, I’m sure you would even agree, better that guy dies than a number of innocent bystanders.
You asked about the rights to income from oil found on one's property. My mom had oil wells in a little town in Illinois, and she still was getting paid on them when she died. 10 months after she died, our youngest brother died too. My husband had died two years before Mom.
I live in Canada. I remember when I bought my house in 1985 it CLEARLY stated that I had SURFACE RIGHTS ONLY. Anything underground on my property was NOT my property!
There was no way to shoot him in the shoulder in such cramped quarters to guarantee giving him a non-lethal wound. The police had a very small window of opportunity to neutralize him, They risked him regaining control of the tank, thus putting on-coming motorists, and the officers on top of the tank in total jeopardy. He had to be stopped then and there. By his commandeering the tank the man was trying to commit a form of indirect suicide. Unfortunately, the man either a) didn't think he had any mental health resources to help him: or b) he didn't think he was worth reaching out for help. This was horribly sad. Thank God he didn't kill anyone, apart from himself.
"imagine looking down your road and seeing a real life tank coming towards you" oh ive had that experience the military used the town thats mostly military housing for their urban training i woke up one day looked out the window and there was a platoon of soldiers in full combat gear advancing towards my house thats a bit terrifying for the first time then you figure out whats going on its even more scary when its US troops getting dropped off in US vehicles in canada until you find out its a joint training operation
It's pretty sad of the guys situation and even dangerous when matched up with his experience or capabilities with the Tank. Still there was lack of security at the Armory, that could have been prevented
When you purchase a piece of property, if you want to dig, drill, mine, etc., you have to also purchase the mineral rights to the property. Like this video describes, you also have to clear any major work you want to do, with the municipal or county zoning commission.
If someone else, like a corporation, owns the mineral rights to your property, they can theoretically mine your property, with or without your permission. Usually though, they will offer you some sort of compensation, such as a cut of the profits, or whatever they're mining for free, if it's a utility like natural gas or water, or they may even pay you to move.
I remember when this happened. I was 12-13 years old and it was on every news station. Also, as has been stated, it wasn’t a straight though the shoulder horizontal wound (which is still life threatening) but from the top down. Top down through the shoulder can go through the torso. I do agree with you though, I feel badly for him. He totally snapped. Reminds me of the Michael Douglas movie “falling down” where he just loses it one day. Good movie - you should add it to your list :)
This was absolutely insane!!! I've lived in San Diego all my life, and the totally insane things that have happened here have been mind-blowing!! He did this during rush hour!!! Total crazy man!!! Shooting straight down into his shoulder means the bullet went straight to his heart and/or lungs.
Getting shot in the shoulder can most certainly be fatal. The shoulder contains the subclavian artery, which, if severed can cause a fatal bleedout in 90 seconds. Such an injury is rare, because the artery is well protected, but the angle of the shot in this case (from directly above), may have caused sufficient damage that the surgeons couldn't get to it in time. Some reports said he was shot in the neck, but I was unable to verify either claim.
I'm just turned 4 years old when that happened. And that's was on my birthday.
Yep I remember watching this on the tele live and the whole time saying how do you stop a tank can’t use a few cop cars to block the road, can’t shot it with a handgun how can he be stopped lucky he didn’t kill everyone he drove near
I was in the hospital in San Diego being born when this happened
Hi Kabir. I remember when this happened! Riveting stuff. None of us who grew up in Calif. had ever seen anything like this. I think the only one who died was Nelson, but he sure as hell scared the crap out of a lot people! 😮 You can die from shoulder wounds because there is a artery there that leads to the heart. You will bleed out. Same thing happened to the singer Selena. She was shot in the right back shoulder.
Check out Marvin hemeyer next. He also had a string of bad luck and went on a rampage in a homemade bulldozer tank
It's not really "a horrible chain of misfortune," it's just life. It looks like those events occurred over a five year time frame, not one immediately after another. Our older parents die, and people get divorced. The normal reaction isn't to steal a tank and destroy things.
Kabir, it's kind of crazy how you like come up with wild scenarios and conclusions based on the scantest amount of information. If you really want to know more about what happened, instead of just wildly guessing, why not dig a little deeper into the story? The AP at the time reported that he was hit in the neck, not the shoulder.
In my opinion, the shot to the shoulder was absolutely justified. The man could've crushed any number of people while on his rampage.
This video cut out most of the tank chase where he ran over multiple cars and did a ton of damage across San Diego. You get more insight about his motivation though. The potential for danger to the public and officers totally justified the use of deadly force.
I so remember this. I watched it live on tv. Now i will say, the whole San Diego was infested with crime is a bit much.
Bullet wounds to extremities, shoulders, arms, legs, etc. result in fatalities far more often than popular media might suggest due to blood clots, migrating bullet fragments, infection, etc. Also keep in mind tasers and other less than lethal options were not nearly as widely deployed in 1995 as they are today, so there is a good chance none of the officers there on the scene had one readily available.
He shot him in the shoulder butt from vertically on top of him so it must’ve passed through his entire body
It always feels like your watching a live action GTA.
The officers at the moment did not know the back story! You know all the back story, they didn't.,
Armchair quarterback is really really easy.
At which angle did the bullet penetrate the shoulder. It could have ripped through a lot of stuff on the way down through his body. It also depends on the caliber weapon the officer fired. Thanks for the video and your reaction to it.
Shot down into the shoulder. Top hatch is looking down at a sitting tank driver.
I understood it was from the top down. What I was talking was it from right to left, front to back. It could have gone from the left shoulder to the right hip. It would have tore up all sorts of stuff on that trajectory.
The bullet that struck Nelson's shoulder would have been at quite a close distance and from up above. It wouldn't be hard for a common handgun cartridge (9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP) to blow through his shoulder and right into his lung. Depending on the angle and depth, many other vital organs would have been damaged.
It was a justified shooting. Nelson had already proven he had disregard for his fellow man by his actions. Also, what were the chances this guy was high-as-a-kite? I'm willing to wager he wasn't going to stop until he was dead.
Shawn Nelson unfortunately suffered from PTSD and other mental illnesses, so he got really drunk and wanted to end it all. So he went to San Diego's National Guard Armory and found a unlocked gate and so he entered the first tank, it wouldn't turn on, he entered a second one it wouldn't turn on either. But once he entered the third one, it turned on. And so he drove it through a neighborhood destroying nearby vehicles, homes and fire hydrants, and drove through a school zone, fortunately no-one was involved but shawn almost killed a some people during the chase and when he entered the highway, he tried to break through the center divider but fortunately git stuck in the process and so the cops weren't able to open the hatch but right when Shawn tried to move the tank on last time, the cops opened the hatch and shoot him.
Even though that Shawn Nelson stole a military tank from an armory, it wasn't his fault because he suffered from PTSD and other illnesses.
Like just imagine it real quick and think about how would you feel if you were in his shoes?
Let's still respect him for protecting our country 🫡🇺🇲
Depending on your property deed you may or may not have mineral rights. Sometimes other entities assume those rights such as your homeowners association, local state and county governments. The seller of your property usually clarifies mineral rights. If you got it then their yours.
In my state mineral rights can only be retained by the seller for a certain number of years if not being actively exploited. In my area that mostly means oil and gas wells, ie you can have some farm land, someone drills an oil well on it, and you can retain the mineral rights to oil as long as the oil well remains active even after selling the land. However if there is no active well on the property you can only retain the mineral rights for a certain number of years or else they revert to the new owner. I forget the actual number, but think it is 10 years from time of sale, or 3 years from time a existing well goes inactive.
Rolled down my street, took out my neighbors trash cans
Nelson was shot in the shoulder, from above. The driver's position in an M60 is exposed to the turret basket, but from the commander's hatch that's still looking down the driver's back from some feet away.
Next on the list is the armored bulldozer rampage jokingly known as 'Killdozer.'
I was only 6 at the time, so don't really remember this, but it happened a couple of miles from my house. My mom worked in Kearney Mesa (at a different hospital I think lol), but I don't think she happened to be on the freeway at the time.
I personally just go on rampages and high speed chases on GTA. I’m so bad at the game, but pretty good at outrunning the cops. In real life, I drive like a grandma and am always cautious.
I lived in San Diego 79-79 ... it was too violent for met. Many men have a crisis when their elderly mother died.
This poor guy basically lived every conceivable Joker origin story over a few years' time.
One Japanese guy wanted to be like the joker and he put a bomb in the train
There are some major arteries and veins in/around the shoulder. Plus some shrapnel could richochet into lung or heart.
He didn’t fire the tank because it likely had no ammo in it.
if you find anything like gold or oil or even propain gas on your property you still have to get it Surveyed and a licence to dig
Kabir- You must check out the story of my hero- Marvin Heemeyer, and his "Killdozer", a similar type of story that is very interesting.
I remember watching this on the news when it happened
Remember the shot was fired downward from above his head - the bullet likely traveled downward through the body.
Officer Paxton fired his weapon to protect innocent lives.
When you gain a property, what is in the ground is yours. You own all the way down to the core. Also, the tank wouldn’t have ammunition. Weaponry is unloaded and ammunition stores intentionally held separate from vehicles and weaponry within its own secure warehouse. Scenarios like this one being why. If the tank was fully armed it would have been truly devastating and the chopper would have been forced to fire upon the tank its own self, with potentially devastating collateral.
Parts of the tank trek were left out. He backed the tank up at one point and nearly crushed a vehicle occupied by a woman and her daughter. Plus he crushed many cars not knowing if they were occupied or not
Nah man. I’m surprised they even told him to surrender and not just opened fire. And not just one bullet, the whole magazine. The cops must’ve had much different training back then!
I remember this one. Seems like the 90's was the era for crazy sh!t on live TV. I'll never forget my best friend calling me up saying "The cops are chasing OJ live on TV"! As far a the whole oil thing I believe it falls under 'mineral rights'. I inherited mineral rights in N.M. I don't own the land but basically everything found underground is mine; at least to my knowledge.
As a former m60 tank driver the mistake he made was trying to go over the berm so yea it would have taken the cobra to stop him. If it was top with fuel he would have been going for a long time!
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This is one problem with how movies, etc. portray gunshot wounds. They treat it as if it's only fatal of it's a torso shot or headshot. But, as other people have pointed out, your shoulder is in such close proximity to your carotid and jugular that it houses many large blood vessels. Also, don't forget, the officer would have shot at a downward angle so the bullet could've easily hit a artery or traveled into the lung or heart
I mean you aren't going to wrestle the guy out, the hatch for the driver is under the reversed turret, so no entry there, and through the turret hatch they won't be able to see much of him, tanks are rather confined vehicles. The shot they took was likely all they could see of him.
Property rights, Mineral Rights, Water Rights all have their own volumes in a law library.
This guy was simply delusional - on a whole number of levels.
All it takes is one bad day. Or multiple ones in his case. I remember OK City but not this as a kid. Crazy unique situation, but glad to hear no one got hurt. I think the cops were justified and a tank is moving weapon. You have to check out the bulldozer/homemade tank one. I remember watching that unfold on the news when I was living in CO. In Granby CO, a guy built a homemade tank out of a bulldozer and went on a destruction spree. Netflicks has a documentary on it.
It was just in the shoulder, however, he was shot from above. Which means the bullet entered through his shoulder and went down into his torso.
A shot to the shoulder area can easily sever the subclavian artery that leads directly to the heart and a person would, most times, succumb to that trauma before reaching the hospital, due to the large volume of blood loss.
I'm not certain but I think I remember hearing that the shoulder shot was from above and the bullet traveled downward into his chest.
Yeah, this one's crazy, but have you heard about Killdozer? Also there was a guy that stole a commercial jet too.
I remember this. I was living in El Cajon, (not far away). The same with those nut-jobs who committed mass suicide for the Hale Bop Comet. (Heaven's Gate). The same with Laurence Singleton who cut that girls arms off and left her in the desert. And that guy that killed Versace. Hmm....must have been a busy decade.
Singleton crime happened in Northern California near where I lived. There area the victim was found in is remote but it’s not a desert.
@@mildredpierce4506 I remember it being a desert. That's fine. They let him out after that girl and he went to Florida and killed a lady.
Owning a residential lot gives you only surface rights which does not include mineral rights. It’s all in the zoning.
They were shooting from above, the bullet may have entered the top of the shoulder and went straight into the chest .
Nelson was shot in his shoulder from above which meant the bullet went through the shoulder and into his body probably piercing a major artery or his heart.
I guess by reading some comments, even just getting shot in the shoulder can be fatal. To me, the fact that the officer shot in the shoulder makes me think he probably wasn’t trying to kill him but at the same time, you have to what’s best for innocent bystanders and anyone at risk in harms way.
Law enforcement is an extremely tough profession. Split second life and death decisions need to be made every day and all officers handle the stress differently. If you have ever been up and close to a tank it is extremely tight quarters inside. Unfortunately use of tasers by law enforcement did not go into effect until the 2000s. Would another officer have chosen a different method of de-escalating the situation? Even today there is not a wealth of mental health services for members of the military. Perhaps if Shawn had had a place or someone to go to for help this situation could have been avoided.
The bullet was top down and went in between the collar bone and through his organs. Came out or stopped near the kidney I believe
Getting shot in real life isn't like getting shot in the movies. The shoulder still has major arteries that can result in a person bleeding out very fast. Also, shooting him in the shoulder at that angle from above more than likely resulted in the round passing down into his organs. A shoulder shot can still be just as fatal as any other shot. The movies usually have it all wrong.
Depends on the trajectory of the bullet. Maybe it hit a bone and turned inward.
I would assume that since the shot is coming from above (thru the tank hatch), that “shot in shoulder” isn’t quite what you think. The bullet would have entered the shoulder but continued into more vital areas of the body.
If you get shot in the shoulder from above, the downward angle of the shot can cause the bullet to go into your lung or heart.
Go take a look at those RUclips videos which shows how powerful 9mm bullets are in Ballistic gel !!
The shoulder isn’t necessarily a lethal place to be shot, but if the wound isn’t treated properly, he could lose too much blood and bleed out. Plus the intent to move over into the other lane into oncoming traffic is a direct threat to civilian lives, and lethal force is authorized.