Yep he backed Joy Divison/New Order and the Mondays to do what they wanted, even when they themselves have admitted they weren't great. They got better though and made music history, and they all had a big hand in the history of the culture of Manchester, which made the City a lot more known and the knock on effect is still felt to this day. It was pretty grim in the 70's and 80's! Just goes to show what can happen when people persevere and have good backing from influential people. There isn't really anyone around like him today encouraging new talent.
6:19 "Hello Hannett you wanker" "Hello Wilson wanker" "You don't frighten me Martin. Although you could sit on me" "I'm not a lump of hash. I'm in charge of Factory records.. I think"
Describing the drug's impact on the recording, McGough recollected: “There was a lot of ecstasy taken on a daily basis during the making of Bummed, we took two hundred E with us but they ran out after ten days so I had to go back to Manchester and collect another hundred. Bummed is definitely an E album, perhaps the first full album ever made on that drug.”
Describing the impact of the drug’s impact on their body of work, many recollect: “Each single was weaker than the last one. Drug-addled minor talents not fit to share a stage with their contemporaries. The fact that they pissed away New Order’s well-earned money is widely remarked upon. Also notable, no notable band since has remarked breathlessly in interviews how important the Mondays’ work was to the development of their own musical ideas. Compare with historical impact of Joy Division New Order and The Smiths. None of whom burned the profits from their labelmates to buy drugs for themselves. Listening to any live recording, many available, will tell you anything you need to know about the quality of their ideas and execution.”
@@sub-jec-tiv Complete waffle, Factory lost money on the Hacienda. I think you're also forgetting the backstory of Republic (budget + 4 year recording + disappointment). Plenty of notable bands were influenced, ie Oasis, Manic Street Preachers. Finally, I think more would attribute what you said about the Monday's singles to New Order (Great band regardless, no mistake).
An album made whilst under the influence of weapons grade 1980's ' E ' .... Then make a programme for schools showing kids how to do it. Beautifully ironic and fucking genius ;-)
This is the only footage of Martin Hannett I know of and the only images of him I know of post 1984 when he was seen in New Orders Play at Home docu. Absolutely fascinating to see him and how much weight he put on seems to match the stories of his insane weight leading up to his death. Still a master of sound as I'm listening to the finished version and it sound amazing. RIP Martin!
I had this exact conversation with a muso pal just the other week. On Squirrel and G Man, the whole thing is held together by Pauls bass work. He got da funk man. It's EPIC! But drug abuse (heroin) quickly dissolved him of that talent and there's hardly a memorable bass-line in a Mondays tune after the first album. Then Marks guitar riffs basically carries the band (+ obviously Shauns lyrics and Bez's onstage charisma) until their enevitable self-implosion.
I totally agree. Paul's bass playing added a groove which filled the songs with movement and fluidity. Whenever I think of a Mondays recording, it's the bass which drives my memory's reference point of the tune.
I met their manager a few years ago. He was producing the creation stories film about creation records. I got him mixed up with Alan bleasdales son. His dad is Roger McGoufe , who was the Liverpool poet
Wow rhanks for the upload ! This must be the only footage of Hannett from this time!I would have expected him to look much worse 3 yrs prior to his passing
With all this talk of costs and overheads etc, I just wanted the interviewer to ask Tony Wilson what the name of the album was gonna be! "Er, yeah...we're calling it Bummed." Great album it is though.
remember them showing this to a small group of smart but always in bother lads at school thinking best thing for us was starting our own business. what were they thinking! Smart move by Tony though, knew his audience.
I was at that Newcastle 1988 gig at the Riverside, and James - the band whom Mondays were supposed to open for, were fucking furious at Shaun Ryder going AWOL such that the rest of the Mondays couldn't play their set (the story goes that Ryder was searching for dealers of course, no surprises there, and allegedly got lost in the city). They (James) had to do an extra long main set cos of this, and I was chatting to Gavan Whelan their drummer at the time just before they were due to go on stage and he was not best pleased either. I caught them again at Liverpool University a few days later and this time the Mondays managed to show up, but played just five songs from their new LP - including a 10 minute version of Wrote For Luck - and then buggered off!! Caught up with James' drummer Gav again after that show, and he said they (Shaun and co) were STILL behaving like total amateurs!!! Ironically, a few months later, HE - Gav - had quit the band too amid much acrimony against the other three. I never found out if he was related to Mondays' drummer Gaz Whelan as they both shared the same surname.....
To Wunga Bunga- London was very safe provided we didn't go south of the river into Slater Walker territory. A gentleman's agreement! It was the cops one had to watch out for; I was nicked four times for "criminal damage" (£50 fine). Most of the cops were pretty decent. One time on the King's Road I was let off with a warning and was happy to give them a few posters gratis. Interestingly, they would search through my bag to make sure none of the posters incited racial hatred.--Kevin Whelan🎉
The tune is based around the rolling stones song little red rooster lot of similarities 👍 i dont think i need to explain what the little red rooster was all about 😂😂
Its funny because their account keeping was epically awful and the record company in general was shambolic - not the text book people you would think a schools technology documentary would go to...but glad they did
Sorry, but i think Martin Hannet was a one trick horse and the wrong producer for this album. His work with New Order was perfect. The minimalist production worked perferctly with their minimalist sound. But the minute he worked with any other band, well, the weakness showed. He utterly cocked up the early U2 single 11 O'Clock Tick Tock. Listen to his production then listen to any live version from 1980. Oy.
Utter crap! Bummed was their second best album - rough as a badgers arse and groovy as fuck, but their 1987 debut Squirrel & G-Man Twenty Four Hour Party People Plastic Face Carn't Smile (White Out) - ha! title of the century - was the fucking business - gleefully abrasive, insinuating, irresistable yob-funk post-punk with a dollop of The Fall. Played that fucker to death when I first bought it in cassette format (in orange Factory Box packaging - oh yes!), I had to buy another copy of the thing a year later!
Only 10k to record an album seems cheap….. it’s impossible to underestimate the impact of Tony Wilson….just like John Peel those kind of people are gone….replaced by generic homogeneous “marketing” types producing the same bland dross.
how to destroy everything you built up with a shitty record sleeve. this is nothing like the stark early factory design, it's pure rubbish. they once designed an album so it will scratch the ones next to it, this though will contaminate all the records in your collection
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Paul Ryder ripping on bass. What a legend 🥃
He just passed away
The driving force.... guy was possibly the only actual audiophile & should go down as keeping in real.
He always said he didn't want a day job working for some c*nt. Good on him.
U have herd is
@@Acid_Monk oh Mark can play too, excellent funk guitarist
History should never forget Tony Wilson, he show us the power of trust in shitty people making amazing stuff even when that means lose some money.
Yep he backed Joy Divison/New Order and the Mondays to do what they wanted, even when they themselves have admitted they weren't great. They got better though and made music history, and they all had a big hand in the history of the culture of Manchester, which made the City a lot more known and the knock on effect is still felt to this day.
It was pretty grim in the 70's and 80's! Just goes to show what can happen when people persevere and have good backing from influential people. There isn't really anyone around like him today encouraging new talent.
He was a true mensch.--Kevin Whelan
thanks to tony’s belief in happy mondays we got a well produced album and an insane piece of music. rip
Tony Wilson is a hero for believing in an delivering art, music and culture
6:19
"Hello Hannett you wanker"
"Hello Wilson wanker"
"You don't frighten me Martin. Although you could sit on me"
"I'm not a lump of hash. I'm in charge of Factory records.. I think"
Describing the drug's impact on the recording, McGough recollected: “There was a lot of ecstasy taken on a daily basis during the making of Bummed, we took two hundred E with us but they ran out after ten days so I had to go back to Manchester and collect another hundred. Bummed is definitely an E album, perhaps the first full album ever made on that drug.”
Bummed is such a great album.
Soft Cell's "The Art of Falling Apart" is an E album from late 1982.
Describing the impact of the drug’s impact on their body of work, many recollect: “Each single was weaker than the last one. Drug-addled minor talents not fit to share a stage with their contemporaries. The fact that they pissed away New Order’s well-earned money is widely remarked upon. Also notable, no notable band since has remarked breathlessly in interviews how important the Mondays’ work was to the development of their own musical ideas. Compare with historical impact of Joy Division New Order and The Smiths. None of whom burned the profits from their labelmates to buy drugs for themselves. Listening to any live recording, many available, will tell you anything you need to know about the quality of their ideas and execution.”
Phew, take a breath.
@@sub-jec-tiv 'bummed' is one of the greatest british albums ever, though. nothing else sounds like it.
@@sub-jec-tiv Complete waffle, Factory lost money on the Hacienda. I think you're also forgetting the backstory of Republic (budget + 4 year recording + disappointment). Plenty of notable bands were influenced, ie Oasis, Manic Street Preachers. Finally, I think more would attribute what you said about the Monday's singles to New Order (Great band regardless, no mistake).
Top man Tony. There needs to be more people like him. He cared more about the art/bands than he did profits.
Bob Greaves. What a guy. This is gold, and so many people not in Granadaland won't get it. I'm sure they have their own regional itv stuff to love.
it was for schools, they showed it to my smart but naughty lads group at school, in yorkshire :D
This video, unsurprisingly misses out one of the main things that fuelled factory... lots and lots of class A drugs
wonder how much molly bez has done, prob the most ever taken.
An album made whilst under the influence of weapons grade 1980's ' E ' .... Then make a programme for schools showing kids how to do it. Beautifully ironic and fucking genius ;-)
Got to be the most UK 80's vid ever. Superb.
I remember the Mondays handing out E's in Odins nightclub at the time of recording. It stopped the scrapping between locals and squaddies for a bit.
Another Granada great, Bob Greaves, narrating this programme.
Having read all three peter hook books, I'm assuming they carefully edited out the coke snorting? LOL
"We turned arsing about into an art form" Shaun Ryder
They sound like it, too
Missed a gig in Newcastle - Tony “I like it” legend RIP
This is the only footage of Martin Hannett I know of and the only images of him I know of post 1984 when he was seen in New Orders Play at Home docu.
Absolutely fascinating to see him and how much weight he put on seems to match the stories of his insane weight leading up to his death.
Still a master of sound as I'm listening to the finished version and it sound amazing.
RIP Martin!
Patrick Bradley I just wish he was interviewed for this.
Legend.. Bless
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hannett performed with jilted john...he's "playing" the acoustic guitar behind the drummer
What an absolute gem this is! thanks so much for digging it up and posting it.
Just check Ryder's hands during Do It Better. Does this guy EVER get the real recognition he's due in bass players' magazines and stuff?
time?
I had this exact conversation with a muso pal just the other week. On Squirrel and G Man, the whole thing is held together by Pauls bass work. He got da funk man. It's EPIC! But drug abuse (heroin) quickly dissolved him of that talent and there's hardly a memorable bass-line in a Mondays tune after the first album. Then Marks guitar riffs basically carries the band (+ obviously Shauns lyrics and Bez's onstage charisma) until their enevitable self-implosion.
I totally agree. Paul's bass playing added a groove which filled the songs with movement and fluidity. Whenever I think of a Mondays recording, it's the bass which drives my memory's reference point of the tune.
@@itwasnt3369 Ryder's in my top 10, maybe 5 bassists. Yet the guy always stood there stoic and unflustered. Wee bit of a Bill Wyman in that respect.
Paul ryder is a vastly underrated bass player
Like being in a time capsule. Thatnks for the post. brilliant.
I met their manager a few years ago. He was producing the creation stories film about creation records. I got him mixed up with Alan bleasdales son. His dad is Roger McGoufe , who was the Liverpool poet
This was so brilliant, thanks for the upload
Wow rhanks for the upload ! This must be the only footage of Hannett from this time!I would have expected him to look much worse 3 yrs prior to his passing
Great video - I remember seeing this at the time and its great to see it again now.
I used to put up posters for the Mondays around London circa 1988-89-- cool posters too. --Kevin Whelan, AKA "Bill Posters"
A perilous gig. I recall two men getting gunned down for posting flyers in Manchester around that time. They were encroaching on somebody's turf.
Directly the camera is on, a puff of smoke floats across the screen: Good lads!
;-)
The Mondays have always been well loved by my pals and me
RUclips gold!
Yo'damn right!!
Mr Wilson was a legend a gentleman
I was at that gig at dingwalls it was awesome so good.What a band live.😁
09:40 "I like it. I can't explain that to you" he really did love that band
Are the band in the mood to work fast? Beautiful. RIP Tony Wilson. Just saw the original Mondays, still cool as
Madchester Rave On! R.I.P Tony Mr, Manchester Wilson.
The great Tony Wilson
‘We’ pay for all that.
‘We’ meaning New Order 😊
New Order and Joy Division paid for the bloody Hacienda a huge fookin white elephant that lost bloody thousands every week
If I owned a record company, just watching the first ten seconds of this video would have made me want to sign them.
With all this talk of costs and overheads etc, I just wanted the interviewer to ask Tony Wilson what the name of the album was gonna be! "Er, yeah...we're calling it Bummed." Great album it is though.
If every city had a Tony Wilson, imagine.
remember them showing this to a small group of smart but always in bother lads at school thinking best thing for us was starting our own business. what were they thinking! Smart move by Tony though, knew his audience.
No one will convince me that Mcgough is not George Harrison's son.
genuinely hilarious that this is an itv schools doc. they were off their tits making this record.
Really interesting video!
They missed a gig in Newcastle. Tony Wilson i like it i cant explain it
I was at that Newcastle 1988 gig at the Riverside, and James - the band whom Mondays were supposed to open for, were fucking furious at Shaun Ryder going AWOL such that the rest of the Mondays couldn't play their set (the story goes that Ryder was searching for dealers of course, no surprises there, and allegedly got lost in the city). They (James) had to do an extra long main set cos of this, and I was chatting to Gavan Whelan their drummer at the time just before they were due to go on stage and he was not best pleased either. I caught them again at Liverpool University a few days later and this time the Mondays managed to show up, but played just five songs from their new LP - including a 10 minute version of Wrote For Luck - and then buggered off!! Caught up with James' drummer Gav again after that show, and he said they (Shaun and co) were STILL behaving like total amateurs!!! Ironically, a few months later, HE - Gav - had quit the band too amid much acrimony against the other three. I never found out if he was related to Mondays' drummer Gaz Whelan as they both shared the same surname.....
Where do you get that poster behind NathanMcGough? The whole Bummed poster and Wrote For Luck. Nice
James Earl a few years ago you could get all of them especially during the Madchester era but not so much now eBay maybe your best bet
Try Colin at Vinyl Revival in Manchester
Good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, double double good, double double good.
Chaotic geniuses tony ,the mondays
Simeone know the name of the the song they playing in the studio ?
1 Do it Better & 2 Moving In With
nathan was a great manager. he was very business minded.
+lee dummett He reminds me of Terry Hall from The Specials.
He wasn't that great, it was him who had shaun and paul on smack.
Bez hated him for some reason lol. He says so in his book.
He's playing a guitar. IMPOSSIBLE to look geeky. I play the guitar haha
Shaped Me This Album Did 👍
To Wunga Bunga- London was very safe provided we didn't go south of the river into Slater Walker territory. A gentleman's agreement! It was the cops one had to watch out for; I was nicked four times for "criminal damage" (£50 fine). Most of the cops were pretty decent. One time on the King's Road I was let off with a warning and was happy to give them a few posters gratis. Interestingly, they would search through my bag to make sure none of the posters incited racial hatred.--Kevin Whelan🎉
Tony Wilson is fckin legend
Classic.
bob greaves, tony the greek!
Nathan doesn't have the harsh 'Brookside' Scouse accent, was he from a posh part of town?
Other side of the river
😂Of course.
inappropriately wholesome video
This was 3 years before he died, the stories of his weight was at his death.
‘But Nathan wants Factory to provide more money.....’
4:42 eeet DEEEEEAAHHHHH foreshadowing
studio is THE SLAUGHTERHOUSE DRIFFEILD EAST YORKSHIRE
what song are they playing at the beginning?
Lewis Berrett
Movin in?
"Do It Better" was played at the start.
Great tune, guitar sounds rank before it got the process.
Bob Greaves narrating
And then along comes the Internet!
The tune is based around the rolling stones song little red rooster lot of similarities 👍 i dont think i need to explain what the little red rooster was all about 😂😂
Martin Hannett looks weird here. There is not much footage of him in this era
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Strange that Hannett looked a lot fatter during New Orders 1985 Perfect Kiss video..
Seems like a good investment that.
Nice one
Wow, I've been looking for fat Martin Hannett for ages. Not really as fat as everybody said he was. A typical Factory Saga exageration.
Later on he was huge
Martin Hannett, bigger than death.
2:35 Nathan looks like Terry Hall.
but nathan wants factory to invest more money so the band can spend more TIME recording - this is so funny
oh the irony
Its funny because their account keeping was epically awful and the record company in general was shambolic - not the text book people you would think a schools technology documentary would go to...but glad they did
Real council estate lads everyone can relate to them
Local lads
People’s people’s ⚡️⚡️⚡️
Sorry, but i think Martin Hannet was a one trick horse and the wrong producer for this album. His work with New Order was perfect. The minimalist production worked perferctly with their minimalist sound. But the minute he worked with any other band, well, the weakness showed. He utterly cocked up the early U2 single 11 O'Clock Tick Tock. Listen to his production then listen to any live version from 1980. Oy.
He loved Joy Division because as he said they didn't have a clue
@@peternagy-im4be 😄
Hardly clean cut
Yooo shunt be in eerrrrrrr
I always liked the Mondays even though Shaun Ryder is tone deaf.
Bummed was such a boring album. They nailed it on the last two.
Bollocks
Utter crap! Bummed was their second best album - rough as a badgers arse and groovy as fuck, but their 1987 debut Squirrel & G-Man Twenty Four Hour Party People Plastic Face Carn't Smile (White Out) - ha! title of the century - was the fucking business - gleefully abrasive, insinuating, irresistable yob-funk post-punk with a dollop of The Fall. Played that fucker to death when I first bought it in cassette format (in orange Factory Box packaging - oh yes!), I had to buy another copy of the thing a year later!
Only 10k to record an album seems cheap….. it’s impossible to underestimate the impact of Tony Wilson….just like John Peel those kind of people are gone….replaced by generic homogeneous “marketing” types producing the same bland dross.
ITV schools!!! Just say no boys and girls.
how to destroy everything you built up with a shitty record sleeve. this is nothing like the stark early factory design, it's pure rubbish. they once designed an album so it will scratch the ones next to it, this though will contaminate all the records in your collection
Happy Mondays - the only band where the manager was the best looking and the lead singer was the ugliest one
Wilson was simply a left wing entrepreneur....or not???
'simply'?
@@stuartwray6175 well yeah he was a 'businessman' and he was left wing. How would you sum him up cutting out all the bullshit?
2:35 Nathan looks like Terry Hall.