The GOP recognizes that long term the GOP isn’t going to have a chance of being elected to high offices in a representative democracy. The desperation to maintain/grow the personal and institutional power for GOP members means that in their estimation democratic government must be dismantled/abandoned.
A smarter party would have recalibrated and sought to either improve their ideals so that they're more popular or abandoned them in favor of ones that are more sustainable. I have faith that, with enough defeats, they'll inevitably come to this conclusion.
which is really, really sad, because there are a smaller minority of republicans who are not that radical. they've either left the party, swapped to independent, stay low while doing local elections in fly-over towns while implementing progressive policies like transitioning to green energy, or lost their lives in standing in danger's way to save innocent Americans in public spaces.
@@Craxin01 Hey , the GOP outnumbered the Democrats in the last election by 6 million votes. they are not the minority. This is with democrats vote harvesting and cheating on a massive scale. Why? do you think they are a minority party?
They realized they weren't democratic anymore and weren't going to be elected because they are authoritarians and Americans don't want dictators in a position of power. So they started changing elections decades ago.
Abolish the electorate college. The US is the only modern democracy that maintains this outmoded institution. All other democracies have either never adopted the concept or have abandoned it having for themselves come to the realization that it is faulty.
@@acm4147Which is EXACTLY what the Republicans want, because they know that they would never win a "fair" election, 1 person = 1 vote, and the votes are tallied to determine the winner. Therefore they go crazy trying to hose up our democracy to give them what they want, unconcerned about their activities screwing the rest of the populace over.
I'm an old school Republican, and I think Repubbers saw the writing on the wall, that the GOP is sliding inexorably toward irrelevance. The demographics of this country will completely offset such gambits as gerrymandering and the electoral college, and the Democrat party will soon hold a majority of all elected offices in this country. Dems have only lost the popular vote for president once in the last 30yrs. Without a coup, the Republican party will be unable to win a majority in Congress or the President in 10-20yrs. Someone told Trump this (Trumps too stupid to even think about such things), and he convinced the entire party there has to be an illegal takeover of the US Government in a coup of some sort, because marginalizing voters will not be enough.
A vote for Democrats or Republicans is a vote for DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. Democrats AND Republicans should be defunded since they are political domestic terrorist groups whose members commit and support acts of RIOTING, MASS SHOOTINGS AND BOMBINGS for their POLITICAL GAINS. These nitwits are so concerned about THEIR POLITICAL WAR they forgot 110 MILLION INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE BEING TERRORIZED BY THEIR POLITICS AND ACTS OF VIOLENCE UPON SOCIETY. I support Convention of States; a national movement to call a convention under Article V of the United States Constitution, restricted to proposing amendments that will impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit its power and jurisdiction, and impose term limits on its officials and members of Congress. IM GLAD SO MANY OF THESE MENTALLY ILL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS AND SYMPATHIZERS EXPOSE THEMSELVES PUBLICLY ALONG WITH IPs and LOCATIONS online! ter·ror·ism /ˈterəˌrizəm/ noun the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
@@brenden4915I'm in Florida, yes, they have removed a great number of books. Just so you know. My teacher friends are quite upset about it and one is downright scared.
@SidewaysY no books are banned. Keep being scared of a boogeyman that doesn't exist lol. Leftists continue to prove why they are the dumbest on the planet
@@brenden4915keep voting for trump and Ron the retard. See where u get in life. Ur family will abandon u before u starve while the republicans eat your fresh remains
@@sabejreid2072 These are MY feelings, not yours. MY feelings are MINE based on MY experiences and they are NEVER wrong FOR ME. I prefer a kinder, gentler USA where people RESPECT each other, where people are KIND to each other, where people CARE about each other, no matter their beliefs, their religion, their color, where they were born. That's how I was raised and I believe that is the best world to have. You go ahead and have a world without those things. It won't make you happy.
@@keffinmckn3602 Nope. But maybe they'll think a little about what kind of world they want to live in. And even a moment of consideration might make this a slightly better world.
agreed. we all feel the same thing how our country is being taken away, but just for different reasons. however, one direction is something we're trying to get to in order to compete with the rest of the Western world like in EU (public transportation, free healthcare, free education, etc.) whereas the other MAGAs just want to feel important without making any efforts to their lot in life and would more likely spit on the graves of the victims of the Tulsa race massacre because jealousy.
Yet they vote against their self intetst for benefits of the country Kyle Ritenhous Choose to put himself in danger to protect his Neighboring town. You ask people to be allies only for not ehenbdiing the abusing
Conservatives are just fascists in waiting/hiding from my experience. Democracy should be various left wing parties deciding how left we want to be. Conservatism has no place in modern society.
Funny thing is, there are conservative arguments for every possible conclusion. There's a conservative argument in favor of embracing green energy, for accepting abortion, for accepting people of color, of immigration, of everything the progressive left is pushing. They're just to intellectually lazy to understand or accept them. Too many think Ayn Rand was a brilliant person instead of the philosopher-in-chief of the intellectually and morally bankrupt.
The Republican brain is wired differently, more connections to the reptilian part, they are fear based, believe in survival of the fittest, and take all that you can no matter who you crush on the way up, because it's all about the win. The what's in it for me, and if it's not for me, whose taking from me.
No he's not , he's a fcking propagandist ,how? . Not once did he even mention that fact that only recently Biden , the FDA and the CDC have been found guilty by the fifth circuit court for violating ppls first amendment rights to free speech by colluding with corporations to censor American citizens, . This action alone completely meets the definition of fascism yet this clown did not mention a single thing about this or even mention that fifth circuit court has now put in place restrictions on this administrations and future administration ability to interact with social media companies .
@@jimmythebold589 He's a party hack. The GOP got 54% of the vote, 6million more votes that the democrats, in the 2022 election, Yet it lost seats in the Senate barely gained in the House. They are NOT a minority party, And the exact opposite of what he's saying is true. He is a lying propagandist. Democrat extremists are the real threat to Democracy.
A vote for Democrats or Republicans is a vote for DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. Democrats AND Republicans should be defunded since they are political domestic terrorist groups whose members commit and support acts of RIOTING, MASS SHOOTINGS AND BOMBINGS for their POLITICAL GAINS. These nitwits are so concerned about THEIR POLITICAL WAR they forgot 110 MILLION INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE BEING TERRORIZED BY THEIR POLITICS AND ACTS OF VIOLENCE UPON SOCIETY. I support Convention of States; a national movement to call a convention under Article V of the United States Constitution, restricted to proposing amendments that will impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit its power and jurisdiction, and impose term limits on its officials and members of Congress. IM GLAD SO MANY OF THESE MENTALLY ILL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS AND SYMPATHIZERS EXPOSE THEMSELVES PUBLICLY ALONG WITH IPs and LOCATIONS online! ter·ror·ism /ˈterəˌrizəm/ noun the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
When malignant narcissists band together & form a gang, they establish a bond based on their similarities and seek to exercise their common causes. They want what they want, & if they can't get it legitimately, they'll take it. Democracy is not fertile ground in which to plant their particular form of malignancy, so it has to go.
One thing: as a country, we have a kind of "muscle memory." If we can get through this in a short time, I think we can go back to where we were before and just be careful, watchful protectors of our democracy.
It's not old enough to call this truly underrated, but it is. This is a fantastic interview and I definitely am interested in getting the book. Thanks David!
Yet neither one of the clowns even mentioned that only recently the fifth circuit court found Biden to be guilty of violating ppls first amendment rights to free speech by colluding with corporations. By all definitions this is fascism and thankfully the court has imposed regulations on this administration limiting their interactions with social media companies .
People can't thrive due to corporate greed. People are angry and fed up. Democracy is in trouble because there are 2 factions in the US that have different views about fixing it. The growing trend of income inequality threatens our democratic way of life.
@Obsidianone- Only one party in the US wants ‘to fix’ things. The D party. Meanwhile, The R party wants to ‘tear the whole thing down!’ Republicans want to destroy the whole experiment with pluralism, democracy, equality, and progress. Their agenda is to regress to anarchy and then solve it with an authoritarian dictatorship in perpetuity. They are literally anti-democracy and anti-American. Look at their history.
A thriving middle class is not the natural state of a capitalist system. Unregulated or loosely regulated capitalism with necessarily tend towards massive wealth disparity. The US manufactured the thriving middle class of the 50s through 70s with high minimum wages and government investment in middle class jobs. That ended with Reagan era economics took hold, the minimum wage cratered, and Republicans started blocking investments in middle class jobs.
Excessive income inequality (in contrast to normal income inequality) always leads to concentration of wealth and concentraction of power in very few hands. This always leads to an oligarchy which is incompatible with democracy. In other words excessive income inequality results in the erosion of democracy.
For a true democracy to thrive and not be threatened its citizentry must be composed of those of good character and for the common good and NOT pigmentation and fake Christianity! 🌈🦋
@@bkm2797what a nasty thing to say about someone , you should be ashamed . Notice how in this interview neither one of these clowns mentioned how the fifth circuit court only recently found Biden the FDA and the CDC guilty of violating ppls first amendment rights to free speech by colluding with corporations to censor American citizens. By all definitions this is fascism and yet not a peep from you or the left . Be honest , so long as it censors the voices you don't like , you couldn't care less about democracy ?
With primaries, the answer then is for the majority to become involved in primaries, so their numbers will be the determiner of who is offered in a final election.
The other person David needs to interview on this subject is Barbara F. Walter who is an expert on what causes civil wars. She's done a short TED talk as well as a number of longer talks all available here on YT. One of the really interesting things she talks about are the 2 main identifiers a country is in trouble and possible facing a civil war. Surprisingly neither of those 2 indicators are authoritarianism or economics or populism. The 2 main indicators are. 1) Democracy failing into a condition called anocracy. Its not they become authoritarian it this weird state in between where its still democracy but also ineffective. She explains it better than I can. 2) One or both sides of politics becoming ethnically or culturally ideological.
One word. Desperation. The demographics favor socialism and multi-culturalism in the future which scares them. We can do this the easy way or the hard way
How do US demographics favor socialism? I can agree that the US is becoming more diverse racially and ethnically. But it doesn’t follow that we will transition into a socialist economy (or that we will even get a larger welfare state).
I would say when the demographics reach critical mass to defeat gerrymandering and the electoral college's disproportionate representation, a more enlightened capitalism or social democratic system will have more influence.
Nah AI will change all of that, there is a massive change coming. A change like that of the British Industrial Revolution. Everything will be re-written from the ground up, like what actually happen to society in Briton during that time.
I have not read the book “The Tyranny of the Minority”. It seems to me that the debate ignores the role of the evangelists a little too quickly. The southern strategy alone did not give birth to MAGA, the Republicans were content with their power over the majority. IMO, it is the evangelical ideology with its apocalyptic millenarianism, its messianism which was an important factor in the authoritarian radicalization of the GOP. I can illustrate this by observing the synthesis of the ideologies of evangelical fundamentalism and libertarianism that are the main driver of MAGA.
All those theories regarding democracies suggest that true democracy existed. If we were to start from 1965, we could argue that the movement for civil rights didn’t exist before that time. We could also argue that anti-democratic forces kicked into high gear after that and true democracy still never came about.
I'm surprised the definition of a democracy doesn't include the strength of the institutions or the faith of people in the foundations of democracy. America today faces a threat to the institution of the free press.
@@bkm2797 Meidas Touch is not a primary news source. It is a news commentary, and should be fact checked like all the other commentaries. Primary news services include ap, afp, and Reuters.
Anuchan, Maybe not like CNN, but they consider themselves a news source and so do I. They have Politics Girl, Burn the Boats, Michael Popak, Karen Ruffelo and of course nightly wrap up news, mid day news etc. with Ben, Brett and Jordy, yeah I'd say they are a news source. Cheers
@@bkm2797 They might be your news source, but they are not a primary news source. They get most of their news from other sources and interpret it. What you're really saying is you agree with their bias. Go to original sources and check the difference.
Okay, I am *really* trying to not be stupid, but I tend to need more than average details before I can tell myself I understand. Until this podcast, I had a vague sense of the term “populism” as civil unrest, extreme political behavior, you know, like Insurrections, but I did not completely get the “Us vs. them” thing, and I never understood why, as I have recently gotten more information, it seemed like the Venezuelan version of MAGA was leftward leaning, and every time I told myself I had to look up the definition of “populism,” *someday*, because I felt I MUST have misunderstood. Makes me wanna move to El Salvador or something… ‘because I'm terrified of Nov 2024. I can last another four years.
I personally think it’s because ultimately they’re scared and they think a “strong man” figure is going to protect them from whatever their boogie man of the day is. They want an abusive daddy figure.
I was able to see the beginning of the GOP's radicalization going back to the time of Goldwater in the '60's. It became more so under Nixon and really got going under Reagan.
@@mdtdbe register new voters in "red" districts and have conversations with people no matter what their party affiliation. Republicans can vote for democrats too!!
@@WerkstukViva the Weimar Republic didn't last for 50 years. His point is that once you make it to 50, it should be fine. I was pointing out a pair that lasted for more than 50 years that did eventually fall.
@@alexkilgour1328 En: resultaten uit het verleden bieden geen garantie voor de toekomst. Iedere democratie moet onderhouden en verdedigd worden. Vrijheid van meningsuiting is een groot goed. Het bestrijden van anti-democratische krachten evenzo.
Proportional representation (i.e. nothing like first-to-pass-the-pole), many political parties to choose from and a (supreme) court that had nothing to do with politics (Montesquieu), those are the minimum standards for a democracy.
Both have benefits, both have negatives. So what we have done down here in Australia is both. For the lower houses where governments are formed and questioned over their action we use the Westminster system of seats, each seat in the Parliament represents an electorate of roughly the same amount of people. In the upper houses we use proportional representation. The issue we keep having over the proportional representation in the upper houses is minority parties or even just one single individual (an independent) can end up with a massive amount of power through having the balance of power, or the one vote the government needs to pass legislation, leading to governments being held hostage to that minority. The lower houses using the Westminster system which can end up with a party or a coalition of parties with the most seats, but with less votes then the opposition that has less seats. Though that usually doesn't happen, it's caused by parties targeting only or mostly marginal seats. Which brings us to another issue, the bigger issue too. A large disproportion of government funding and resources are thrown at marginal seats, known as 'pork-barrelling'. Overall the system works pretty well, much better than the USA system, but if Australia was to use proportional representation in the lower houses it would cause so many more issues, minority parties and independents having the balance of power. It's a bit hard for the USA to move to a fully Westminster system due to your history, but going as far down that road as possible would be the best approach.
I found the first two points very interesting. Regarding "the tyranny of the minority" isnt a FPTP electoral system already a TotM? There is no way around that one. FPTP leads to corruption of gerrymandering and voter suppression, something a PR system will hardly ever witness due to fact that every vote counts and no party wants to lose when where ever possible. So, the moment a FPTP electoral system establishes gerrymandering you always have a TotM. DAVID! Why did you not ask him such important things? ARRRGGGHHHH!
Pure 'first past the post' electoral frequently lead to two-party systems (or two big and one smaller third party), and it often means that a majority (or a qualified majority) rather than the minority is in charge. However, usually there will be rules and norms in place that also protect the rights of minorities. (PS The interview addressed another particularity of the US, namely primaries, which currently appears to lead a hard core maga-gop minority to hijack the system.) The extent of gerrymandering appears to be a particular speciality of the US way of doing things. It could be prevented by having an independent electoral commission (like in Australia?). Voter suppression: does not appear to be an issue in other FPTP electoral systems that are quite similar to the US: e.g. in the UK voting is made easy, and in Australia it is mandatory, so again voter suppression is a US particularity (that arguably goes back to times when those in power did not want to share it with those they did not like). Also unique to the US is the amount of money in elections, on steroids since Citizens United, the extent of moneyed interests and influence on the Supreme Court, an ever increasing concentration of the media in the hands of a few media conglomerates and platforms - in that sense, it's actually an oligarchy, a super-small group of super-wealthy who form a tyranny of a super-minority through dark money, shadow networks, think tanks, influence on media and media platforms, etc.
Down here in Australia we use an independent regulator that is answerable and overseen by a joint committee in the upper house of Parliament, similar to your Senate. The electoral divisions that are represented by seats in the lower house are redrawn, when needed, by this independent regulator, in an open and transparent way using census data on population movements. So far this approach has taken the politics out of the process and there is no sign that it won't continue to work well. The basic idea is that politicians or political parties shouldn't be directly involved in the process of drawing up the boundaries of the electorates they represent. They should jointly oversee that process, as anyone can, even outside of Australia as it's all published on their website. The USA needs to head down that road, moving the process away from political parties to an independent regulator that is transparent and regarded as the 'independent umpire' like in a sports match.
The Republican party have become lazy thinkers. There are conservative arguments that agree with a lot, maybe even all of what progressives are pushing, but they don't want to have to rethink their positions. They're the sort to sit down to a game of Monopoly and then suggest rules that favor them and swipe Monopoly Bucks when no one is looking instead of learning how to play the game and develop better strategies to win.
There’s a huge hole in this man’s way of understanding US democracy of the last 50 years. It hasn’t been a democracy for the marginalized. His jumping off point is a fallacy in itself
None the less, the USA is still regarded as a democracy. ‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’ Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947
@@OilCanHarry2U You’re slippery. I NEVER said the US isn’t considered a democracy. NOR did I say democracy needs to be replaced. And I’d never stoop to name calling. Good day good sir
Does anyone realise piers is complaining about an example of what he wants. A person born a female but identifies as something else is playing woman’s sport.
There are laws and rules written into the fabric of this reality - and consequently universal observable consequence that match, and they are *rightfully* visible for all to understand via observational science. Humans are fragile and delicate designs, much talk about "we're all just animals"... But, we couldn't be as tough as an animal if we tried - they can walk & move once hatched/born, and they need no fire to cook their foods. We are not designated to even handle stress well, a pregnancy is a great example of that - because even in the womb stress is toxic to our development. Everything we know is centered around cruelty and destress - both are enemies of the body, and this is a universal law/code around the world, the science & observation are sound. So regardless of religion or flag either side experiencing stress and cruelty are innocent - because all life from the womb is precious. Until we ALL start to see that, there will be no proper future for any child. Is humanity developing or nah?
They didn't. Being able to protest and challenge election results is the central foundation of a democracy. But Biden's attempt to jail his political opponents is a real example if you are concerned about the topic
since the decay of our education system all aspects of society have suffered from it. the less we teach our children in school, and when it comes to politics and government in high school, we see the results in the way people vote.
Why doesn’t anyone just tell the truth about what’s behind all of this shit? Here’s your answer. It’s the American people. Americans have been dumbed down to the point that many of them are willing to trade their country for a Red hat, and along with that hat, they get to tell others what to do and how to think. It isn’t about policy, it’s about being able to tell others how to live their lives.
Poor education is to blame along with a life time of being taught to believe lies. It starts at childhood with bunnies laying eggs, reindeer can fly and bring a man to your house in the middle of the night. Tooth fairy? If you was honest with your children then they will be honest with you. It is a massive waste of time when real life lesson could of been taught. Talk to a child like a baby it will grow up to act like a baby.
All the kids who grew to adults know the Easter Bunny & Santa & ToothFairy are lies. You'd think they'd realize not to believe everything you think you see. Nope. We have morons.
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The GOP recognizes that long term the GOP isn’t going to have a chance of being elected to high offices in a representative democracy. The desperation to maintain/grow the personal and institutional power for GOP members means that in their estimation democratic government must be dismantled/abandoned.
Republicans want to do away with our democracy want dictatorship
A smarter party would have recalibrated and sought to either improve their ideals so that they're more popular or abandoned them in favor of ones that are more sustainable. I have faith that, with enough defeats, they'll inevitably come to this conclusion.
which is really, really sad, because there are a smaller minority of republicans who are not that radical. they've either left the party, swapped to independent, stay low while doing local elections in fly-over towns while implementing progressive policies like transitioning to green energy, or lost their lives in standing in danger's way to save innocent Americans in public spaces.
@@Craxin01 Hey , the GOP outnumbered the Democrats in the last election by 6 million votes. they are not the minority. This is with democrats vote harvesting and cheating on a massive scale. Why? do you think they are a minority party?
They realized they weren't democratic anymore and weren't going to be elected because they are authoritarians and Americans don't want dictators in a position of power. So they started changing elections decades ago.
Abolish the electorate college.
The US is the only modern democracy that maintains this outmoded institution. All other democracies have either never adopted the concept or have abandoned it having for themselves come to the realization that it is faulty.
Because it exist for the 😫 RepubliCons, we can't get it passed and imho it should have never been able to exist.
Gerrymandering as well. Extreme minority rule.
@@acm4147Which is EXACTLY what the Republicans want, because they know that they would never win a "fair" election, 1 person = 1 vote, and the votes are tallied to determine the winner. Therefore they go crazy trying to hose up our democracy to give them what they want, unconcerned about their activities screwing the rest of the populace over.
A lot is being demolished 💥
Yes. Eliminate the Electoral College.
I'm an old school Republican, and I think Repubbers saw the writing on the wall, that the GOP is sliding inexorably toward irrelevance. The demographics of this country will completely offset such gambits as gerrymandering and the electoral college, and the Democrat party will soon hold a majority of all elected offices in this country. Dems have only lost the popular vote for president once in the last 30yrs. Without a coup, the Republican party will be unable to win a majority in Congress or the President in 10-20yrs. Someone told Trump this (Trumps too stupid to even think about such things), and he convinced the entire party there has to be an illegal takeover of the US Government in a coup of some sort, because marginalizing voters will not be enough.
Superb interview -- terrific. This is why I am a MEMBER.
It's a shit show - the Host is from Argentina?? He's totally bling to Hilary Clinton's betrayal of America. Wake up Dude. 🇺🇸
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Can’t abandon something they never truly believed in
Correct. It’s a republic not a democracy they are interested in.
A vote for Democrats or Republicans is a vote for DOMESTIC TERRORISTS.
Democrats AND Republicans should be defunded since they are political domestic terrorist groups whose members commit and support acts of RIOTING, MASS SHOOTINGS AND BOMBINGS for their POLITICAL GAINS. These nitwits are so concerned about THEIR POLITICAL WAR they forgot 110 MILLION INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE BEING TERRORIZED BY THEIR POLITICS AND ACTS OF VIOLENCE UPON SOCIETY.
I support Convention of States; a national movement to call a convention under Article V of the United States Constitution, restricted to proposing amendments that will impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit its power and jurisdiction, and impose term limits on its officials and members of Congress.
IM GLAD SO MANY OF THESE MENTALLY ILL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS AND SYMPATHIZERS EXPOSE THEMSELVES PUBLICLY ALONG WITH IPs and LOCATIONS online!
ter·ror·ism
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There's a great deal of TYRRANY OF THE MINORITY in Florida! Most intelligent human beings don't favor book banning!!!
No books are banned lol. Try again NPC
@@brenden4915I'm in Florida, yes, they have removed a great number of books. Just so you know. My teacher friends are quite upset about it and one is downright scared.
@SidewaysY no books are banned. Keep being scared of a boogeyman that doesn't exist lol. Leftists continue to prove why they are the dumbest on the planet
@@brenden4915keep voting for trump and Ron the retard. See where u get in life. Ur family will abandon u before u starve while the republicans eat your fresh remains
@@SidewaysY don't feed the troll
*I* feel the country I grew up in is being taken away from me - but where MAGA wants to go is further away from where I want to be, not closer.
Wrong
@@sabejreid2072 These are MY feelings, not yours. MY feelings are MINE based on MY experiences and they are NEVER wrong FOR ME. I prefer a kinder, gentler USA where people RESPECT each other, where people are KIND to each other, where people CARE about each other, no matter their beliefs, their religion, their color, where they were born. That's how I was raised and I believe that is the best world to have. You go ahead and have a world without those things. It won't make you happy.
Why entertain a one word response with such effort?
Do you really think @sabejreid2072 cares about your feelings?
@@keffinmckn3602 Nope. But maybe they'll think a little about what kind of world they want to live in. And even a moment of consideration might make this a slightly better world.
agreed. we all feel the same thing how our country is being taken away, but just for different reasons. however, one direction is something we're trying to get to in order to compete with the rest of the Western world like in EU (public transportation, free healthcare, free education, etc.) whereas the other MAGAs just want to feel important without making any efforts to their lot in life and would more likely spit on the graves of the victims of the Tulsa race massacre because jealousy.
this is soooo good, david, please have mr. levistky on more often. this is such enlightening political discourse.
Fascinating, Thanks to both David and Steven Levitsky.
EXELLENT, enlightened, intellectual, conversation. Thanks. I'll listen to it a few more times. And take notes.
Democracy is hard, and requires empathy and listening skills. Conservatives, by their very nature, behave selfishly. (Conserve what's yours.)
Yet they vote against their self intetst for benefits of the country Kyle Ritenhous Choose to put himself in danger to protect his Neighboring town. You ask people to be allies only for not ehenbdiing the abusing
Conservatives are just fascists in waiting/hiding from my experience. Democracy should be various left wing parties deciding how left we want to be. Conservatism has no place in modern society.
Funny thing is, there are conservative arguments for every possible conclusion. There's a conservative argument in favor of embracing green energy, for accepting abortion, for accepting people of color, of immigration, of everything the progressive left is pushing. They're just to intellectually lazy to understand or accept them. Too many think Ayn Rand was a brilliant person instead of the philosopher-in-chief of the intellectually and morally bankrupt.
Conserve a society that benefits the few and not for everyone.
The Republican brain is wired differently, more connections to the reptilian part, they are fear based, believe in survival of the fittest, and take all that you can no matter who you crush on the way up, because it's all about the win. The what's in it for me, and if it's not for me, whose taking from me.
Excellent interview and discussion
Steven Levitski is such a teacher.
i wish dave would create a weekly or monthly segment with him! this is a breath of fresh air. my brain hurts from all the maga nonsense
No he's not , he's a fcking propagandist ,how? . Not once did he even mention that fact that only recently Biden , the FDA and the CDC have been found guilty by the fifth circuit court for violating ppls first amendment rights to free speech by colluding with corporations to censor American citizens, . This action alone completely meets the definition of fascism yet this clown did not mention a single thing about this or even mention that fifth circuit court has now put in place restrictions on this administrations and future administration ability to interact with social media companies .
@@jimmythebold589 He's a party hack. The GOP got 54% of the vote, 6million more votes that the democrats, in the 2022 election, Yet it lost seats in the Senate barely gained in the House. They are NOT a minority party, And the exact opposite of what he's saying is true. He is a lying propagandist. Democrat extremists are the real threat to Democracy.
Excellent interview David
“If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy” - David Frum
This is what's happening now.
The republic is the concern. Not a fake democracy. Ukraine is supposedly a democracy and they canceled future elections.
A vote for Democrats or Republicans is a vote for DOMESTIC TERRORISTS.
Democrats AND Republicans should be defunded since they are political domestic terrorist groups whose members commit and support acts of RIOTING, MASS SHOOTINGS AND BOMBINGS for their POLITICAL GAINS. These nitwits are so concerned about THEIR POLITICAL WAR they forgot 110 MILLION INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE BEING TERRORIZED BY THEIR POLITICS AND ACTS OF VIOLENCE UPON SOCIETY.
I support Convention of States; a national movement to call a convention under Article V of the United States Constitution, restricted to proposing amendments that will impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit its power and jurisdiction, and impose term limits on its officials and members of Congress.
IM GLAD SO MANY OF THESE MENTALLY ILL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS AND SYMPATHIZERS EXPOSE THEMSELVES PUBLICLY ALONG WITH IPs and LOCATIONS online!
ter·ror·ism
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noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Very well said.
When malignant narcissists band together & form a gang, they establish a bond based on their similarities and seek to exercise their common causes. They want what they want, & if they can't get it legitimately, they'll take it. Democracy is not fertile ground in which to plant their particular form of malignancy, so it has to go.
"they can win without winning" Sad but true, we are suffering under a minority party controlling our fate.
It is nascent Apartheid.
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Lucy's last stand
That is not a possibility. You’re making things up. Your party voted with Gaetz.
One thing: as a country, we have a kind of "muscle memory." If we can get through this in a short time, I think we can go back to where we were before and just be careful, watchful protectors of our democracy.
Really?? Because I've met and listened to many, many people, and a whole lot of them make desicions based on extremely selfish and ignorant ideas.
We may not make it through Biden’s administration alive. We’re headed into WWIII with an open border and we saw the exit form Afghanistan, so…
Fantastic interview! I ordered the book when I was only halfway through the video.
Excellent show David, thank you.
Keep up the good work.
It's not old enough to call this truly underrated, but it is. This is a fantastic interview and I definitely am interested in getting the book. Thanks David!
You're correct: not quite old enough yet
Yet neither one of the clowns even mentioned that only recently the fifth circuit court found Biden to be guilty of violating ppls first amendment rights to free speech by colluding with corporations. By all definitions this is fascism and thankfully the court has imposed regulations on this administration limiting their interactions with social media companies .
Great interview
People can't thrive due to corporate greed. People are angry and fed up. Democracy is in trouble because there are 2 factions in the US that have different views about fixing it. The growing trend of income inequality threatens our democratic way of life.
@Obsidianone-
Only one party in the US wants ‘to fix’ things. The D party.
Meanwhile, The R party wants to ‘tear the whole thing down!’ Republicans want to destroy the whole experiment with pluralism, democracy, equality, and progress. Their agenda is to regress to anarchy and then solve it with an authoritarian dictatorship in perpetuity. They are literally anti-democracy and anti-American. Look at their history.
A thriving middle class is not the natural state of a capitalist system. Unregulated or loosely regulated capitalism with necessarily tend towards massive wealth disparity.
The US manufactured the thriving middle class of the 50s through 70s with high minimum wages and government investment in middle class jobs.
That ended with Reagan era economics took hold, the minimum wage cratered, and Republicans started blocking investments in middle class jobs.
Excessive income inequality (in contrast to normal income inequality) always leads to concentration of wealth and concentraction of power in very few hands. This always leads to an oligarchy which is incompatible with democracy. In other words excessive income inequality results in the erosion of democracy.
@@mechmat12345We're discussing Democracy. Hardcore capitalism is killing Democracy. On purpose.
Great interview.
I just finished reading Tyranny of the Minority, so found I this interview very timely, particularly given the upheaval taking place in US politics.
The electoral college needs to be gotten rid off
Income and wealth inequality is the reason for all of this.
Capitalism in the 21st century sucks.
It "Powers" it in this case but, much more NUANCE than that.
For a true democracy to thrive and not be threatened its citizentry must be composed of those of good character and for the common good and NOT pigmentation and fake Christianity! 🌈🦋
Don’t forget Rush Limbaugh. His radio show had a huge influence on my mother and brother in the late 1970s early 1980s to my shame.
Yeah, Rush Limpdick that guy was a living nightmare, may he not RIP.
Limbaugh was a failure of humanity.
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Surprise! 😂
@@bkm2797what a nasty thing to say about someone , you should be ashamed . Notice how in this interview neither one of these clowns mentioned how the fifth circuit court only recently found Biden the FDA and the CDC guilty of violating ppls first amendment rights to free speech by colluding with corporations to censor American citizens. By all definitions this is fascism and yet not a peep from you or the left . Be honest , so long as it censors the voices you don't like , you couldn't care less about democracy ?
With primaries, the answer then is for the majority to become involved in primaries, so their numbers will be the determiner of who is offered in a final election.
Please communicate or "Say It Plain" to the common fellow & lady then !
MAGA is actually MAGFWC: Make America Great for White Christians.
Exactly!
I would suggest this modification: MAGFWN, Make America Great for White Nationalists. This way you incorporate the extremists into the equation.
Not really, it's sold as a consolation to people who aren't doing so well. This is why they hope for MAGA
If democracy doesn't work for them then they have no choice. The GOP hasn't had anything to offer the American people for a century.
The other person David needs to interview on this subject is Barbara F. Walter who is an expert on what causes civil wars. She's done a short TED talk as well as a number of longer talks all available here on YT.
One of the really interesting things she talks about are the 2 main identifiers a country is in trouble and possible facing a civil war. Surprisingly neither of those 2 indicators are authoritarianism or economics or populism.
The 2 main indicators are.
1) Democracy failing into a condition called anocracy. Its not they become authoritarian it this weird state in between where its still democracy but also ineffective. She explains it better than I can.
2) One or both sides of politics becoming ethnically or culturally ideological.
Walters was a Deep Stater
One word. Desperation. The demographics favor socialism and multi-culturalism in the future which scares them. We can do this the easy way or the hard way
How do US demographics favor socialism? I can agree that the US is becoming more diverse racially and ethnically. But it doesn’t follow that we will transition into a socialist economy (or that we will even get a larger welfare state).
I would say when the demographics reach critical mass to defeat gerrymandering and the electoral college's disproportionate representation, a more enlightened capitalism or social democratic system will have more influence.
Hard way it is 👍
Hard way sounds fun, and I'll be more than happy to help with that.
Nah AI will change all of that, there is a massive change coming. A change like that of the British Industrial Revolution. Everything will be re-written from the ground up, like what actually happen to society in Briton during that time.
haven't read a book in a while, i might order it...
I have not read the book “The Tyranny of the Minority”. It seems to me that the debate ignores the role of the evangelists a little too quickly. The southern strategy alone did not give birth to MAGA, the Republicans were content with their power over the majority. IMO, it is the evangelical ideology with its apocalyptic millenarianism, its messianism which was an important factor in the authoritarian radicalization of the GOP. I can illustrate this by observing the synthesis of the ideologies of evangelical fundamentalism and libertarianism that are the main driver of MAGA.
Another detriment of primaries is that they up the ante.
All those theories regarding democracies suggest that true democracy existed. If we were to start from 1965, we could argue that the movement for civil rights didn’t exist before that time. We could also argue that anti-democratic forces kicked into high gear after that and true democracy still never came about.
“Racially conservative”? I think he meant racist, right?
"Abandoned democracy ", utter tripe, we are and have always been a Constitutional Republic.
Trump did not think this strategy or over throw himself, com-on man. Who is pulling these strings?
Vlad is
Masters of projection
I'm surprised the definition of a democracy doesn't include the strength of the institutions or the faith of people in the foundations of democracy. America today faces a threat to the institution of the free press.
Very true, it's about 6 families that control the media, except channels like David's and Meidas Touch where you can finally get news you can rely on.
@@bkm2797 Meidas Touch is not a primary news source. It is a news commentary, and should be fact checked like all the other commentaries. Primary news services include ap, afp, and Reuters.
Anuchan,
Maybe not like CNN, but they consider themselves a news source and so do I. They have Politics Girl, Burn the Boats, Michael Popak, Karen Ruffelo and of course nightly wrap up news, mid day news etc. with Ben, Brett and Jordy, yeah I'd say they are a news source. Cheers
@@bkm2797 They might be your news source, but they are not a primary news source. They get most of their news from other sources and interpret it. What you're really saying is you agree with their bias. Go to original sources and check the difference.
How do we fight populism?
Okay, I am *really* trying to not be stupid, but I tend to need more than average details before I can tell myself I understand.
Until this podcast, I had a vague sense of the term “populism” as civil unrest, extreme political behavior, you know, like Insurrections, but I did not completely get the “Us vs. them” thing, and I never understood why, as I have recently gotten more information, it seemed like the Venezuelan version of MAGA was leftward leaning, and every time I told myself I had to look up the definition of “populism,” *someday*, because I felt I MUST have misunderstood.
Makes me wanna move to El Salvador or something… ‘because I'm terrified of Nov 2024. I can last another four years.
I personally think it’s because ultimately they’re scared and they think a “strong man” figure is going to protect them from whatever their boogie man of the day is. They want an abusive daddy figure.
Sounds like what you got = Clinton / Obama / Biden / Obama / Newsom / Harris (joke)
As a member of the majority, I'm sick of republicans!
There are two minority parties.
I'm so looking forward to the day the Grim Reaper has his way with DJT
Fool
@@sabejreid2072 😂
He's going to really walk up and grab him by the P*ssy!
I was able to see the beginning of the GOP's radicalization going back to the time of Goldwater in the '60's. It became more so under Nixon and really got going under Reagan.
Don’t forget the teapartiers!
Demographics are destiny. The multicultural America that frightens them so is happening no matter how hard they try to stop it.
Why are you openly stealing right wing slogans?
Republican Party DOA 2024
Americans, let's turn all those gerrymandered red districts BLUE!!
How do you suggest doing that?
@@mdtdbe register new voters in "red" districts and have conversations with people no matter what their party affiliation. Republicans can vote for democrats too!!
Ranked choice voting!
An anti-elite point put forward by the sadistic elite, one of the saddest ironies of all.
"No Democracy over the age of 50 has ever broken down".
Ancient Athens and the Roman Republic would like to talk about your definitions.
Germany in the 1930's democratically chose Adolf Hitler.
@@WerkstukViva the Weimar Republic didn't last for 50 years. His point is that once you make it to 50, it should be fine. I was pointing out a pair that lasted for more than 50 years that did eventually fall.
@@alexkilgour1328 En: resultaten uit het verleden bieden geen garantie voor de toekomst. Iedere democratie moet onderhouden en verdedigd worden. Vrijheid van meningsuiting is een groot goed. Het bestrijden van anti-democratische krachten evenzo.
He missed a HUGE point which is inequality is large. This is the cause of it the economy is unequal and unfair due to globalization not being helped
So yes we have a large gdp per capital but it’s at the top half and the bottom half got screwed with factory jobs leaving
Yes, and in this context it become easier to for instance blame it on immigrants
Proportional representation (i.e. nothing like first-to-pass-the-pole), many political parties to choose from and a (supreme) court that had nothing to do with politics (Montesquieu), those are the minimum standards for a democracy.
Both have benefits, both have negatives. So what we have done down here in Australia is both. For the lower houses where governments are formed and questioned over their action we use the Westminster system of seats, each seat in the Parliament represents an electorate of roughly the same amount of people. In the upper houses we use proportional representation. The issue we keep having over the proportional representation in the upper houses is minority parties or even just one single individual (an independent) can end up with a massive amount of power through having the balance of power, or the one vote the government needs to pass legislation, leading to governments being held hostage to that minority.
The lower houses using the Westminster system which can end up with a party or a coalition of parties with the most seats, but with less votes then the opposition that has less seats. Though that usually doesn't happen, it's caused by parties targeting only or mostly marginal seats. Which brings us to another issue, the bigger issue too. A large disproportion of government funding and resources are thrown at marginal seats, known as 'pork-barrelling'.
Overall the system works pretty well, much better than the USA system, but if Australia was to use proportional representation in the lower houses it would cause so many more issues, minority parties and independents having the balance of power. It's a bit hard for the USA to move to a fully Westminster system due to your history, but going as far down that road as possible would be the best approach.
I found the first two points very interesting. Regarding "the tyranny of the minority" isnt a FPTP electoral system already a TotM? There is no way around that one. FPTP leads to corruption of gerrymandering and voter suppression, something a PR system will hardly ever witness due to fact that every vote counts and no party wants to lose when where ever possible. So, the moment a FPTP electoral system establishes gerrymandering you always have a TotM. DAVID! Why did you not ask him such important things? ARRRGGGHHHH!
Pure 'first past the post' electoral frequently lead to two-party systems (or two big and one smaller third party), and it often means that a majority (or a qualified majority) rather than the minority is in charge.
However, usually there will be rules and norms in place that also protect the rights of minorities.
(PS The interview addressed another particularity of the US, namely primaries, which currently appears to lead a hard core maga-gop minority to hijack the system.)
The extent of gerrymandering appears to be a particular speciality of the US way of doing things. It could be prevented by having an independent electoral commission (like in Australia?).
Voter suppression: does not appear to be an issue in other FPTP electoral systems that are quite similar to the US: e.g. in the UK voting is made easy, and in Australia it is mandatory, so again voter suppression is a US particularity (that arguably goes back to times when those in power did not want to share it with those they did not like).
Also unique to the US is the amount of money in elections, on steroids since Citizens United, the extent of moneyed interests and influence on the Supreme Court, an ever increasing concentration of the media in the hands of a few media conglomerates and platforms - in that sense, it's actually an oligarchy, a super-small group of super-wealthy who form a tyranny of a super-minority through dark money, shadow networks, think tanks, influence on media and media platforms, etc.
Down here in Australia we use an independent regulator that is answerable and overseen by a joint committee in the upper house of Parliament, similar to your Senate. The electoral divisions that are represented by seats in the lower house are redrawn, when needed, by this independent regulator, in an open and transparent way using census data on population movements. So far this approach has taken the politics out of the process and there is no sign that it won't continue to work well. The basic idea is that politicians or political parties shouldn't be directly involved in the process of drawing up the boundaries of the electorates they represent. They should jointly oversee that process, as anyone can, even outside of Australia as it's all published on their website.
The USA needs to head down that road, moving the process away from political parties to an independent regulator that is transparent and regarded as the 'independent umpire' like in a sports match.
The Republican party have become lazy thinkers. There are conservative arguments that agree with a lot, maybe even all of what progressives are pushing, but they don't want to have to rethink their positions. They're the sort to sit down to a game of Monopoly and then suggest rules that favor them and swipe Monopoly Bucks when no one is looking instead of learning how to play the game and develop better strategies to win.
Isn't the answer to radical minorities in your own party bi-partisan help from across the aisle?
Bottom line - isn't it all about money and power?
There’s a huge hole in this man’s way of understanding US democracy of the last 50 years. It hasn’t been a democracy for the marginalized. His jumping off point is a fallacy in itself
None the less, the USA is still regarded as a democracy.
‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’
Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947
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Quoting Churchill makes my case exponentially. Your blind spot is the stuff of legend
Ok Little Miss Can’t Be Wrong…in reality, the USA is still considered a democracy.
What form of government would you suggest?
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You’re slippery. I NEVER said the US isn’t considered a democracy. NOR did I say democracy needs to be replaced. And I’d never stoop to name calling. Good day good sir
Don’t forget the dark money!
Old Party, New Name. #Repugnicans
Refer to as such. Stay Woke👁
Why did the democrats abandon this country?
Does anyone realise piers is complaining about an example of what he wants. A person born a female but identifies as something else is playing woman’s sport.
There are laws and rules written into the fabric of this reality - and consequently universal observable consequence that match, and they are *rightfully* visible for all to understand via observational science.
Humans are fragile and delicate designs, much talk about "we're all just animals"... But, we couldn't be as tough as an animal if we tried - they can walk & move once hatched/born, and they need no fire to cook their foods. We are not designated to even handle stress well, a pregnancy is a great example of that - because even in the womb stress is toxic to our development.
Everything we know is centered around cruelty and destress - both are enemies of the body, and this is a universal law/code around the world, the science & observation are sound. So regardless of religion or flag either side experiencing stress and cruelty are innocent - because all life from the womb is precious.
Until we ALL start to see that, there will be no proper future for any child.
Is humanity developing or nah?
Useless word salad. Is this an AI?
We are a Constitutional Republic, Maga knows this, and everyone else knows this, you, obviously don't know this.
Trump / Putin 2024
For the US the two-party system is a huge problem. Especially when one party becomes a minority. And then there is racism...
Because they support the constitutional republic and not mob rule.
Project much?
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And to the REPUBLIC for which it stands...... how do you people still get this wrong ?
Yeah, we get it. The US is a democratic Republic. But that doesn't guarantee that the people will get what they want.
They didn't. Being able to protest and challenge election results is the central foundation of a democracy.
But Biden's attempt to jail his political opponents is a real example if you are concerned about the topic
@@alanleeper7071 derp
You blew it, David. Goodbye.
Don't go 😢. Double your copium dosage. 🤠
I'll say "bye" for him. Bye!
The majority shouldn’t rule over the minority either
Well, yes, they should, but they would need to take their interests into account as well.
since the decay of our education system all aspects of society have suffered from it. the less we teach our children in school, and when it comes to politics and government in high school, we see the results in the way people vote.
I think there's pretty good evidence... LOL! What fools. MAGA Trump 2024 🇺🇸🔥
You:🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴 Lay off the sauce.
@brianmccollaum5489 drunk, stupid or both? Either way, I doubt sabejreid2072 comprehended or even watched the video at all.
Why doesn’t anyone just tell the truth about what’s behind all of this shit? Here’s your answer. It’s the American people. Americans have been dumbed down to the point that many of them are willing to trade their country for a Red hat, and along with that hat, they get to tell others what to do and how to think. It isn’t about policy, it’s about being able to tell others how to live their lives.
Poor education is to blame along with a life time of being taught to believe lies. It starts at childhood with bunnies laying eggs, reindeer can fly and bring a man to your house in the middle of the night. Tooth fairy? If you was honest with your children then they will be honest with you. It is a massive waste of time when real life lesson could of been taught. Talk to a child like a baby it will grow up to act like a baby.
All the kids who grew to adults know the Easter Bunny & Santa & ToothFairy are lies. You'd think they'd realize not to believe everything you think you see. Nope. We have morons.
When your only policy is making rich people richer, you are reduced to populist rhetoric
Well put
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