Agreed. I think this fight is just fine without being hit with poison that has zero audio cues to let you know that it's coming. As it is, this fight is genuinely atrocious.
@@servebotfrank4082 Yeah I just abandoned fighting them 30 minutes ago, went looking to see if anybody else thinks this is an awful fight. From already perfected a double trouble fight in DS1 (ornstein and smough) with a key formula: make one of them fast and one of them slow. Both bosses need individual strengths and weaknesses. As is with this fight they're both lightning quick, hit hard as a truck, cover ridiculous range and spam poison crap everywhere. I went here right after Radahn and honestly those two fights, especially back to back, have really knocked this game down a couple pegs for me. Some of the encounter design is brilliant and some of it is the most cancerous, amateur shit I've seen in any game, let alone a Souls game
@@joshuareinhardt4630 The best part is that they already did the whole "Two bosses with ranged attacks" successfully in Ringed City. The Demons display clear audio and visual cues that a ranged attack is coming so you can get out of the way in case you can't see them due to the camera.
Still not worse than bed of chaos, but sometimes the game can just screw you over. The poison (it's fire tbh) is REALLY irritating. My first major roadblock in the game that took about 3 hours to clear, but I still feel it's better designed compared to bed.
Idk after a few attempts I saw that running to either side and jumping gets you away from the poison. Plus them using that move keeps them from simply attacking together (which would've made this wayyy more irritating imo). Also I fought the Black Blade version of the first gargoyle so that painful experience helped make this less painful
Good to see that we all agree that the poison is the stupidest thing ever in this fight, sooo annoying, especially cos they spam the f**ck out of the place, like 100mts radius of poison cloud + 2 gargoyles hitting you. I was lucky enough to beat them quick but i thought it would take me hours of wipes.
@@birdyepink5938 im a samurai, so not many advices here, just be patient and fight one at a time, kill one fast, then on the 1v1 should be easy. And ofc, stay away from those poison clouds as fast as possible, run like a mofo when they start spitting.
@@birdyepink5938 I'm faith build I got the Blessing of Erdtree (You get it after going to the First City and kill its boss) and then I use a mimic that will cast it (And my Greater heal) effectively nullifiying posiong entirely (my blessings outregen the dot) and then I just chuck lighting at it until it dies. If you don't have faith I dunno
I think the fight is fine, aside from the poison cloud. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with being poisoned, you can make it a non-issue, but the fact that the cloud itself deals damage is annoying, especially since there’s not really any sound cues.
Yeah the only double bossfight I had a problem with in this game was Godskin duo, which could be countered pretty well with blood/sleep. It’s just that a lot of people are mad they can’t have every single bossfight be an epic 1v1 anime style duel.
This cannot be deemed a boss fight worthy of achievement You basically fight 2 normal enemies but with different weapons And if you fight them alone with no help The fight is unfair And don't even get me started on the poison cloud
Worst boss fight ive ever played. Just relentless on me with poison and chasing me down. Woo beat em finally. I got lucky too with the fight. I died from the poison a second after i killed the last gargoyle and it still gave me the win. Im so happy haha
@@v0ldy54 this is my first ds type game really i mean i did ds2 for like an hour but this is my real start to the series so idk who that is. But def some stupid bosses in this game
A pretty poorly designed boss imo. Having the boss be 2 separate giant monsters is not at all a bad idea for a challenge, but they need to complement each other in some way. The Demon of Pain and Demon from Below are an excellent example. One is always aggro on you while the other is more passive but support the other with ranged attacks. Bell Gargoyle are also good, because the flame attacks let you have openings to focus on one of them. And ofc, Ornstein and Smaug - when Smaug is dragging his ass trying to reach you, you can focus on Ornstein for a bit before maneuvering away or, alternatively, you can bait Ornstein away and get a couple of hits onto Smaug who is slower and easier to consistently hit. Dark Souls 2, for its several lazy/cheap gank bosses, seemed to have most of them work as intended and even had some pretty decent ones (Squalid Queen, Ruin Sentinels) No such thoughts went into these guys, just two of the same big monster - kinda like Lud & Zellen, but way more overtuned. If you want to fight them by yourself with no summons or ashes and aren't using a bs magic built that oneshots the first one, this is basically almost impossible. They don't complement each other, they are both large melee monsters with almost identical movesets with plenty of aoe, dashes, big hp pools and the fcking barely visible poison clouds; and they are always on your ass, leaving you with essentially no openings if you're trying to solo. Legit not fucking idea what they were thinking when they left this in the game.
All of the gank fights in elden ring have no thought put into them. It's mind boggling. Dark souls 2 did gank bosses better. I'm more pissed off that this cool little offshoot from nokron built up to just 2 normal enemies you find in the world as the boss. Thematically they don't even fit the area or the arena, and I'd wager they don't even make sense being there lore-wise.
@@fatbastardbeats I guess they assumed that fights like this are fair game due to the fact that they put ashes in the game. But, again, that's just dumb design. I have no problem with players using them and I'm actually glad they put so many more tools to make the game more accessible and manageable to newcomers; I'm not one of those purists who thinks that's at odds with the core appeal of Soulsborne - the games already have plenty of built in ways to make it way easier with cheese strats, specific builds, farming and coop. But bosses should never be designed around the assumption that you'll be using help or cheese. They should, ideally, always be manageable by a SL1 broken straight sword build as long as you're good enough. And I agree, this is the most egregious example of a gank boss in this series and they don't fit the theme of the area at all (and even if they were changed up visually to fit, how the fuck does the random poison mist attack work its way in there lol). Like honestly, fighting two Ancestor Spirits at once would probably work out much better without being so artificially difficult.
@@schnozgaming989 i was doing it with +15 claws so my dmg was trash. But I don't think it should be doable by means of a stat check. I have no problem spending 5 hours on one boss with low dmg as long as the fight's mechanics allow me to gradually become good enough to beat it.
Just beat this boss. Here's my tips. -Have the pulley crossbow at a good level, stock up those bolts. -Have a good bow too, justb in case. -Have your shield ready -Have a good stamina bar and a pair of running legs. Do all the damage you can and trigger the second gargoyle. Keep running and shooting. Try to time your shots, dodges and running timings according to your stamina bar and moment. A good time to shoot one of them is when It's pouring out poison. (TIP: the poison cloud goes forward, getting behind the one poisoning the area is what saved me in my successful attempt) Beat one of them in ranged combat. 1v1 the last one. FUCK THIS BOSS
I think what’s infuriating about this boss to me is the double team. If it was the one gargoyle then it wouldn’t be as bad. But with the second one. Not only does it take cheap shots at you, but it also spams that godawful poison attack. Doesn’t help they’re insanely fast and always leap back when I try to jump attack them.
I tried the mimic but I feel like they nerfed it too much so I just used the two skeletons. Also used bloody slash and only bloody slash until I killed the 1st gargoyle where I safely poked it with a shield and single scimitar. Probably the shirtless boss I've ever faced.
This boss fight is fucking miserable took me 2 and a half hours to down him. That poison attack from the twinblade gargoyle is ridiculous to deal with while the first one is still up.
@@emmerrzett dude, I faced them at 30 vigor with a tank armor, and still thought it was bs. Grind and level up, this boss is a main one, so to advance the story you need to kill em
@@alvaromw3thebest that's the thing I hated the most about DS2 it's a cheap and lazy way of adding difficulty, putting bosses in tiny rooms or enemies on bridges/ledges is also annoying and cheap. I love this game but you can clearly see the quality drop on some enemies and areas.
It may be my least favorite Souls game but I’m not hating on it (just to clarify), but this kind of “difficulty” in ER reminds me a lot of DS2’s frustrating moments: Tons of annoying or strong enemies in narrow spaces (especially in the DLC). Either that or two/three bosses at once just to “increase” the difficulty: - Gank Squad - Twin Dragonriders - The 2 Bell Gargoyles from DS1 but multiplied by 3 - Ruin Sentinels - Throne Watcher & Defender - Lud & Zallen - Elana…
This boss made me temporary quit the game. Not sure if I'm coming back. The bosses in the beginning were interesting and kept you hooked on purpose because the rest of the game is copy/paste and laziness.
Very true. High damaging, resistant to all status ailments, tanky, and highly mobile so u can't get hits in. And there's two of them. What were they thinking. They should be fearless stone constructs but half the time, im just chasing after them while they poke me with long range weapons
This is the 1st boss fight in the game that I felt zero satisfaction in completing 😅. Not because it becomes a gank fight when you get the 1st gargoyles health to 50%, but the fact that they puke poison clouds that drains your health very fast. The 2nd gargoyle uses a twinblade and does this ridiculous fast combo and he spams it a lot. There was a cheese strat that gets them to fall off the cliff in the back, but it was recently patched? (not sure lol)….Use blunt weapons, jump attacks with the jump talisman for stagger, and just stay aggressive. You go to a brand new part of the underground map and it sucks ass that this optional boss fight blocks it.
Yeah this boss sucks ass. Im using dual bleed scimitars and they do nothing. Three consecutive attacks do some damage but its very unsafe or they just jump backwards. They're supposed to be inorganic, fearless constructs but im the one always chasing them down. I had to just use the bloody blade ashes of war cuz nothing else was doing damage.
Got them today... and no, the fall cheese hasn't been patched out yet, at least not by doing it unintentionally. I was busy with the second gargoyle and out of the corner of my eye I saw the first falling very pitifully off the cliff
@@janelle9492 I was trying to get one of them to fall but it wouldn't work. I don't even consider it cheesing to make the gargoyles fall. Its just a long drawn out fight where u get one hit in every few seconds or else u get comboed by 2 gargoyles.
Not patched. Just beat them and the first gargoyle did the jumping backwards move and fell off the cliff. I didnt even know this was a possibility lmao. this moment alone made the fight great for me
I like how the match is with a good, maybe even professional, gamer and he almost died like 6 times using OP weapons, assistance and stunned them a handful of times. This boss was unnecessarily difficult to get through. I couldn't see the one poisoning me because the other was flying in from Deathland all axe happy. So happy I got through it 2 hours later lol
That mimic tar seems like a good summon. He survived longer than any players that i summoned. Also looks like they are weak to electricity. (I guess its the same for all rock enemies) Guess i need to make a lighting weapon.
This is definitely a co-op fight, or you're using Mimic Tear; just about every other ashes summon drops stupid fast. It is annoying that there is such a meta with some of the challenges. Phase 2 is just lame when the one you start with suddenly starts bounding away and spamming poison to pretty much require that you have a very durable way of dealing with two sources of aggro.
This is one of those battle where they should let you use torrent, would have made this fight more manageable, the quality dipped in ED in certain spots.
What level were you guys when you fought this boss? I just beat it and am currently level 70. I had to use 20 runearcs in order to beat these bastards, definitely the hardest fight for me thus far. Duos are always tough and Elden Ring is full of them. Before this I had almost just as difficult as a time against Crucible Knight + Misbegotten Warrior.. and then there's also the Twin Pumpkin heads you fight in that tiny crypt, that was miserable as hell too. But shit, I'm loving the hell out of it still hahaha
Your comment reminded me Rune Arcs and Great Rune buffs exist lol. Was at it for roughly 11 attempts for this fight at level 82, saw this and activated Godrick's Great Soul with a Rune Arc, and then beat it in one go. It's almost as if having more health and dealing more damage makes the game easier, or something.
@@Mlow44 After the fight was over I decided to regain my runearcs by pvping in the area right before with the Crucible Knights. I'm such a sadistic bastard but that shit was fun as hell, definitely brought my spirits back from the torment the boss put me through lol.
I remember walking into this boss room for the first time and seeing the gargoyle and I was like "oh, like Dark Souls 1. I sure hope a second one doesn't jump in". And then he did and the fights quality just went downhill.
Godslayer Great sword does a ton of damage to these MFs and also to any type of enemy that wears strong armor like knights, especially Crucible knights get a lot of damage from that sword. This is something that I noticed and that I hope will work as a tip for someone that is struggling with the game, I know nobody asked but maybe you are here looking for a way to defeat this boss, also if you don't have enough faith for wielding the sword you can use a talisman.
I need to get it through my head that Elden Ring has a shit ton of stat checks instead of skill checks. First tree sentinel, then Margit and now gargoyles…. I always seem to encounter them underprepared.
Not really tbh, as much as I wish that I was good, I know I'm not that great at this game (first souls game so makes some sense, don't think it matters much for me though, it's just copium). For me it's a good bit of stat checks lined with skill checks, but there are people beating Margit and shit with the wretch starter club and stuff, sub level 20 etc. I can't do it, but you can most certainly compensate for stats with skill.
I know what you mean, I've run into a lot of areas where the normal enemies are no trouble at all and then the boss absolutely annihilates me. I watch this video and this guy is doing twice the damage I am with my sword swings.
@@monkeydude952 Get good honestly. Pick a weapon and dump into it. Aggressive play is rewarded. I've beaten every boss without summons and little trouble. Passive play is the death of almost all new souls players. This boss in particular is awful though. Probably my least favorite in all the souls games in a while
Got it on my 5th try by using a rune arc + moon veil. Spammed skill on the first gargoyle before the second one came and got him low. I had one flask left and the second one had full hp. Adrenaline had me dodging shit like ultra instinct. Spamming my skill on the second one somehow allowed me to win the fight with like 5 hp left.
I need to spread the word of an accidental cheese I found! If you hang by the waterfall edge near the entrance one of the gargoyles might jump back and off the edge! Try that if you're not a mage cause I hope it can be replicated.
How come every time they do a gargoyle fight there's always more than one? It's expected now, the magic's gone. They should do the opposite where the battle starts out with multiple gargoyles that are somewhat pushovers, but then when there's one left... BOOM! The actual boss crushes the final gargoyle and begins attacking you.
@@bassembboustany Mimic Tear ash summon is opposite direction of the boss by the town with the dead giant on the chair. You should see a stone key gate when making your way through the area in a cathedral. You'll have to upgrade it first tho cuz it's not that strong without levels.
My tips, or what i always did on my tries was to lure the first one close to the door, fight him and when he was a little above 50% i did the summons, then to get that last 50%(while the other bitch was walking all the way, that's why i tried to fight the 1 close to the door) i was more recless and spammed jump charge attack(i died a lot, but enventually got lucky), then for the second one i had like 7 jars left and 2 fp flasks so i spammed skills and sorcery(had moonveil), my summons die to poison, but there are runs that they used it less than usual.
exactly what i did, jesus, elden ring while is a good game, really similar to dark souls 3 and inherits all the strong parts of it but somehow it took the worst part of dark souls 2. They use numbers to fill the lack of boss's diversity. Gargoyle? Well, here 2 of them but with official hp bar so it counted as boss. Godskin, well, here another one at the bottom of the tower, and another one in the other room but fat, guess what now both of them in the same room. And you not gonna believe it, there is one more fat one ( at least so far in my playthrough) on the bridge. Really, i mean they re beatable but i found beating them isnt fun any more, more like a chore and mission cus i bought this game so i have to play it through. Boss design some good some really generic and lazy, like some boss i feel like they was supposed to be a regular enemy but they run out of idea so they make it bigger and tanker and put music in it.
Bro I just killed him today. Took me about 4 attempts. But I got his Black Halberd. Currently dual wielding it with the Golden Halberd. Doing crazy DMG at the moment.
Pro tip: the gargoyle closest to you will always be the one to attack (sometimes their AI wigs out and they both attack at the same time) and the one furthest fill breathe out a cone of poison
Took me three hours. Honestly isn't as poorly designed as people think it is imo, it's just very frustrating. What helped me in the end was using the claw talisman and plunge attacking, which does enough stagger damage to get a riposte in.
@@Urine666Deity only bullshit thing is the poison hitbox, and in the future for speedruns the one you need to kill might run away which is kind of a coinflip.
You're supposed to summon D's brother for this fight, it makes it much more fair as you can effectively focus on one at a time, such is a consequence of not fully advancing and finishing questlines.
I finally beat this boss. I was using my blood loss katana to fight them which was the wrong approach. I saw somewhere on RUclips that these bosses are stones, thus they don’t bleed. I had to change my weapon, upgrade my Marias Executioner’s Sword to +8 and I was able to beat them after 3 more attempts. I also used Lhutel the Headless Ashes summon to aid me.
Nah, too much bullshit with this one. 50 hours in and I've hit my first roadblock. As if the fight wasn't unfair enough, they both have poison... Why they thought adding this boss to the game would be a good idea, I'll never know.
@@ltsLED Beatable =/= Well designed or fair. Not only does this person look a bit overleveled, but almost all balancing factors for double bosses are totally gone.
@@ltsLED Nah lol he got lucky, the 1st gargoyle only used the poison attack twice and when the 2nd gargoyle spawned he never rushed him, he kept his distance for the most part. If this was any ordinary run they'd be spamming poison and relentlessly chasing after you the entire fight, not giving you time to heal or even run. Whether you like to admit it or not, this fight is RNG based, if the peices fall into place then this fight is easy, if they don't and the bosses decide to spam poison or chase you then you're fucked.
This was the hardest boss in the game for me. Took two hours and about 20 attempts. I didn’t have the mimic tear but I was a decent level. I’d say about 90. Fuck this boss.
Its dissapointing that even as much of a masterpiece that elden ring is, lazily put together bosses like this somehow still manage to get into the game. They've existed in the whole series, so its not a complaint exclusive to this game, but its to be expected that with how much more time and more budget they had, they could iron out encounters like these. One of these gargoyles was already a hassle enough to deal with, and now we get to deal with 2, along with poison attacks. What if they made one of the gargoyles ranged? like with a scepter? I think having two seperate weapons and styles would have made the boss far more barable, as you can at least make up a strategy.
This makes me remember the nightmare of the Bell Gargoyles in Dark Souls 1 when i try to beat it alone. Well done,FS!!!! I can see this is worse than the Bell Gargoyles a lot, i mean annoying :))
Easy way to beat them, no summons just focus on the first one, be good at dodging, never attack first, always counter attack after they finished the attack animation, oh and have a decent weapon, I recommend a good ash of war and str or dex weapon, magic is gonna take too lomg
First of all, my Mimic dies in 4 shots. and its +3. Second, I do 650 dmg with GIANT CRUSHER 60 str with a FULLY CHARGED R2! Third, what lvl are you? how do I beat them I menaged to kill one, but his 1 shot takes like 80% of my hp
I fought these at level 80 and got destroyed first 3 fights (used Moonveil katana + Lord of Blood's Exultation talisman which raises attack power when there is bloodloss close). The moment I got the mimic summon the fight turned hilariously one sided. I (and my handy mimic) absolutely DESTROYED them. It wasnt even funny. The second guy didnt even make it down before the first guy died (half HP to zero in 2-3 seconds). They didn't even get the time to spew poison. The mimic got the KS though lol. If anyone is struggling, the mimic summon makes a HUGE difference in this fight.
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Oh boy after you kill them you get a disrespectful 30k runes
not even worth ONE level atm in the game
But when you lose to them disrespectfully and you eventually come back for dominant revenge, it aint about the runes anymore lol.
@@anewsteb I've been losing disrespectfully all night
@@jasonrodriguez1399😂😂😂😂
visited BFD to see the fight i am currently struggling after i saw the runes amount i am depressed bro XD😂
The poison completely ruins this fight.
Agreed. I think this fight is just fine without being hit with poison that has zero audio cues to let you know that it's coming. As it is, this fight is genuinely atrocious.
@@servebotfrank4082 Yeah I just abandoned fighting them 30 minutes ago, went looking to see if anybody else thinks this is an awful fight. From already perfected a double trouble fight in DS1 (ornstein and smough) with a key formula: make one of them fast and one of them slow. Both bosses need individual strengths and weaknesses. As is with this fight they're both lightning quick, hit hard as a truck, cover ridiculous range and spam poison crap everywhere. I went here right after Radahn and honestly those two fights, especially back to back, have really knocked this game down a couple pegs for me. Some of the encounter design is brilliant and some of it is the most cancerous, amateur shit I've seen in any game, let alone a Souls game
@@joshuareinhardt4630 could you help me
@@jacky7678 I'm on Linux and haven't bothered configuring it to work online yet, so I can't sadly.
@@joshuareinhardt4630 The best part is that they already did the whole "Two bosses with ranged attacks" successfully in Ringed City. The Demons display clear audio and visual cues that a ranged attack is coming so you can get out of the way in case you can't see them due to the camera.
Congratulations Gargoyles, you dethroned Bed of Chaos and got the new title of "worst souls boss" ever.
Still not worse than bed of chaos, but sometimes the game can just screw you over. The poison (it's fire tbh) is REALLY irritating. My first major roadblock in the game that took about 3 hours to clear, but I still feel it's better designed compared to bed.
Idk after a few attempts I saw that running to either side and jumping gets you away from the poison. Plus them using that move keeps them from simply attacking together (which would've made this wayyy more irritating imo).
Also I fought the Black Blade version of the first gargoyle so that painful experience helped make this less painful
worst boss is radahn by far
@@Ahrths What gives the reason for that?
Radahn gives you a million infinite summons
Godskin Duo can choke on lava dicks
Good to see that we all agree that the poison is the stupidest thing ever in this fight, sooo annoying, especially cos they spam the f**ck out of the place, like 100mts radius of poison cloud + 2 gargoyles hitting you. I was lucky enough to beat them quick but i thought it would take me hours of wipes.
Im stuck, any advice? equipment or weapon
@@birdyepink5938 im a samurai, so not many advices here, just be patient and fight one at a time, kill one fast, then on the 1v1 should be easy. And ofc, stay away from those poison clouds as fast as possible, run like a mofo when they start spitting.
@@birdyepink5938 I'm faith build I got the Blessing of Erdtree (You get it after going to the First City and kill its boss) and then I use a mimic that will cast it (And my Greater heal) effectively nullifiying posiong entirely (my blessings outregen the dot) and then I just chuck lighting at it until it dies.
If you don't have faith I dunno
Took me hours to finally beat them. Didn’t even take me more than 5 tries to beat Radahn🤦
You didn’t beat them
I think the fight is fine, aside from the poison cloud. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with being poisoned, you can make it a non-issue, but the fact that the cloud itself deals damage is annoying, especially since there’s not really any sound cues.
Thats what I'm saying. All of my deaths in this boss fight have been to the poison and the range of the poison is very decieving
I just died trying to help someone as I forgot the cloud also deals damage. Infuriating fight from start to finish.
Yeah the only double bossfight I had a problem with in this game was Godskin duo, which could be countered pretty well with blood/sleep. It’s just that a lot of people are mad they can’t have every single bossfight be an epic 1v1 anime style duel.
Fighting them right now, exactly how I feel
This cannot be deemed a boss fight worthy of achievement
You basically fight 2 normal enemies but with different weapons
And if you fight them alone with no help
The fight is unfair
And don't even get me started on the poison cloud
Worst boss fight ive ever played. Just relentless on me with poison and chasing me down. Woo beat em finally. I got lucky too with the fight. I died from the poison a second after i killed the last gargoyle and it still gave me the win. Im so happy haha
Basically same here lol
This fight is bad, Dark Souls 2 Ancient Dragon level bad.
I'm surprised it even got out of playtest
@@v0ldy54 this is my first ds type game really i mean i did ds2 for like an hour but this is my real start to the series so idk who that is. But def some stupid bosses in this game
Boss is not bad at all skill issue
@@mybizness124 ok cuck
A pretty poorly designed boss imo. Having the boss be 2 separate giant monsters is not at all a bad idea for a challenge, but they need to complement each other in some way. The Demon of Pain and Demon from Below are an excellent example. One is always aggro on you while the other is more passive but support the other with ranged attacks. Bell Gargoyle are also good, because the flame attacks let you have openings to focus on one of them. And ofc, Ornstein and Smaug - when Smaug is dragging his ass trying to reach you, you can focus on Ornstein for a bit before maneuvering away or, alternatively, you can bait Ornstein away and get a couple of hits onto Smaug who is slower and easier to consistently hit. Dark Souls 2, for its several lazy/cheap gank bosses, seemed to have most of them work as intended and even had some pretty decent ones (Squalid Queen, Ruin Sentinels)
No such thoughts went into these guys, just two of the same big monster - kinda like Lud & Zellen, but way more overtuned. If you want to fight them by yourself with no summons or ashes and aren't using a bs magic built that oneshots the first one, this is basically almost impossible. They don't complement each other, they are both large melee monsters with almost identical movesets with plenty of aoe, dashes, big hp pools and the fcking barely visible poison clouds; and they are always on your ass, leaving you with essentially no openings if you're trying to solo. Legit not fucking idea what they were thinking when they left this in the game.
All of the gank fights in elden ring have no thought put into them. It's mind boggling. Dark souls 2 did gank bosses better. I'm more pissed off that this cool little offshoot from nokron built up to just 2 normal enemies you find in the world as the boss. Thematically they don't even fit the area or the arena, and I'd wager they don't even make sense being there lore-wise.
@@fatbastardbeats I guess they assumed that fights like this are fair game due to the fact that they put ashes in the game. But, again, that's just dumb design. I have no problem with players using them and I'm actually glad they put so many more tools to make the game more accessible and manageable to newcomers; I'm not one of those purists who thinks that's at odds with the core appeal of Soulsborne - the games already have plenty of built in ways to make it way easier with cheese strats, specific builds, farming and coop. But bosses should never be designed around the assumption that you'll be using help or cheese. They should, ideally, always be manageable by a SL1 broken straight sword build as long as you're good enough.
And I agree, this is the most egregious example of a gank boss in this series and they don't fit the theme of the area at all (and even if they were changed up visually to fit, how the fuck does the random poison mist attack work its way in there lol). Like honestly, fighting two Ancestor Spirits at once would probably work out much better without being so artificially difficult.
I beat them today without summons, it was pretty hard if you can't do enough damage to first one before second arrives
@@schnozgaming989 i was doing it with +15 claws so my dmg was trash. But I don't think it should be doable by means of a stat check. I have no problem spending 5 hours on one boss with low dmg as long as the fight's mechanics allow me to gradually become good enough to beat it.
@@kgduder1231 get better memes
How many time do we have to teach you this lesson old gargoyles?!
"I love ye tarnished'
You two are men of culture
Spongebob reference. I like it
Only thing is they f*cked me in the @ss for 2 and a half hours this time.
They always come back.
Just beat this boss.
Here's my tips.
-Have the pulley crossbow at a good level, stock up those bolts.
-Have a good bow too, justb in case.
-Have your shield ready
-Have a good stamina bar and a pair of running legs.
Do all the damage you can and trigger the second gargoyle.
Keep running and shooting.
Try to time your shots, dodges and running timings according to your stamina bar and moment.
A good time to shoot one of them is when It's pouring out poison.
(TIP: the poison cloud goes forward, getting behind the one poisoning the area is what saved me in my successful attempt)
Beat one of them in ranged combat.
1v1 the last one.
FUCK THIS BOSS
I think what’s infuriating about this boss to me is the double team. If it was the one gargoyle then it wouldn’t be as bad. But with the second one. Not only does it take cheap shots at you, but it also spams that godawful poison attack. Doesn’t help they’re insanely fast and always leap back when I try to jump attack them.
After this boss fight, bell gargoyle in dark souls will be walk in the park, unless you aren't comfortable with roof edge
2 hours later. Mimic summon and blood slash ashes of war. Hold the line, it's beatable
Yes same I’m so lucky I got it like 3rd try I was 0 potions left no summon
3rd try with sword of night and flame
That weapon is just OP
I tried the mimic but I feel like they nerfed it too much so I just used the two skeletons. Also used bloody slash and only bloody slash until I killed the 1st gargoyle where I safely poked it with a shield and single scimitar. Probably the shirtless boss I've ever faced.
This boss fight is fucking miserable took me 2 and a half hours to down him. That poison attack from the twinblade gargoyle is ridiculous to deal with while the first one is still up.
yeah... honestly, elden ring has too many gank fights just for padding, it's so bad. At least the main/optional bosses are amazing though
@@Leo-wx2wv all I'm seeing is excuses
@@mgsxmike oh don't worry, I've beat em a long time ago. It's not a skill issue, it's a matter of doing gank fights because hurr durr 2 enemy harder
Which level were you? I'm at 61 and 20 vigor 😂
I think I'm gonna come back later
@@emmerrzett dude, I faced them at 30 vigor with a tank armor, and still thought it was bs. Grind and level up, this boss is a main one, so to advance the story you need to kill em
I wish this game did difficulty in some way other than just putting two of the same enemy in the arena at once
this game have the same horrible difficult of ds2, a lot of enemies and with a lot of hp
that shit is awful. id prefer if they were just harder themselves and put them back to back
@@alvaromw3thebest that's the thing I hated the most about DS2 it's a cheap and lazy way of adding difficulty, putting bosses in tiny rooms or enemies on bridges/ledges is also annoying and cheap. I love this game but you can clearly see the quality drop on some enemies and areas.
It may be my least favorite Souls game but I’m not hating on it (just to clarify), but this kind of “difficulty” in ER reminds me a lot of DS2’s frustrating moments:
Tons of annoying or strong enemies in narrow spaces (especially in the DLC).
Either that or two/three bosses at once just to “increase” the difficulty:
- Gank Squad
- Twin Dragonriders
- The 2 Bell Gargoyles from DS1 but multiplied by 3
- Ruin Sentinels
- Throne Watcher & Defender
- Lud & Zallen
- Elana…
Bohooo
The mandatory Fromsoft spider and gargoyle bosses
“Ah shit, here we go again”
-everyone who’s played demons souls, dark souls 1, and/or dark souls 2”
And dark souls 3
And Bloodborne (Cainhurst).
as soon as it said '[anything here] gargoyle' I knew a second one was going to show up and kill me. it did.
You actually fight 6 of them in ds2
@@HunterBloodHunterBlood oh yeah I just remembered that horrible fight, well, it seems they made it worse now…
This what I call “artificial difficulty”
This boss made me temporary quit the game. Not sure if I'm coming back. The bosses in the beginning were interesting and kept you hooked on purpose because the rest of the game is copy/paste and laziness.
Very true. High damaging, resistant to all status ailments, tanky, and highly mobile so u can't get hits in. And there's two of them. What were they thinking. They should be fearless stone constructs but half the time, im just chasing after them while they poke me with long range weapons
Wouldnt be dark souls without gargoyle gank squads.
This is the 1st boss fight in the game that I felt zero satisfaction in completing 😅. Not because it becomes a gank fight when you get the 1st gargoyles health to 50%, but the fact that they puke poison clouds that drains your health very fast. The 2nd gargoyle uses a twinblade and does this ridiculous fast combo and he spams it a lot. There was a cheese strat that gets them to fall off the cliff in the back, but it was recently patched? (not sure lol)….Use blunt weapons, jump attacks with the jump talisman for stagger, and just stay aggressive. You go to a brand new part of the underground map and it sucks ass that this optional boss fight blocks it.
Yeah this boss sucks ass. Im using dual bleed scimitars and they do nothing. Three consecutive attacks do some damage but its very unsafe or they just jump backwards. They're supposed to be inorganic, fearless constructs but im the one always chasing them down. I had to just use the bloody blade ashes of war cuz nothing else was doing damage.
Got them today... and no, the fall cheese hasn't been patched out yet, at least not by doing it unintentionally. I was busy with the second gargoyle and out of the corner of my eye I saw the first falling very pitifully off the cliff
@@janelle9492 I was trying to get one of them to fall but it wouldn't work. I don't even consider it cheesing to make the gargoyles fall. Its just a long drawn out fight where u get one hit in every few seconds or else u get comboed by 2 gargoyles.
@@Watchful049 Yeah, I was probably underleveled at the time, I wouldn't have won if he didn't fall
Not patched. Just beat them and the first gargoyle did the jumping backwards move and fell off the cliff. I didnt even know this was a possibility lmao. this moment alone made the fight great for me
This is without question the hardest version of the gargoyles.
I wouldn't say it's hard as a test of player skill. It's the artificial difficulty of a cheap, poorly tuned design.
Being level 55 it took me 20+ times to kill Godslayer Apostle, 5 tries for general radahn, these bosses are harder than them all
I like how the match is with a good, maybe even professional, gamer and he almost died like 6 times using OP weapons, assistance and stunned them a handful of times. This boss was unnecessarily difficult to get through. I couldn't see the one poisoning me because the other was flying in from Deathland all axe happy. So happy I got through it 2 hours later lol
The only weird thing is making the poison breath do damage that ramps the difficulty of this boss in a way that seems unintended
Not sure what made you think this guy is a pro. Played this fight very average.
Fuck this boss nobody has given me this much trouble
That mimic tar seems like a good summon. He survived longer than any players that i summoned. Also looks like they are weak to electricity. (I guess its the same for all rock enemies)
Guess i need to make a lighting weapon.
It is. Does decent damage and ranks a lot of attacks
@@asta8153 I mean his damage depends on your damage
@@KingOfMalevolence I don't think so. I can deal 600 with the Bloodhound and he barely made it to 200
All hardened enemies are weak to lightening.
This reminds me of those stone gargoyles in ds3 with those torches
It’s the same Emmy just changed up a bit
I mean Elden ring has the same fucking crab from ds3 lol
Pleasure to kill my brother of metal
Kinda the same. But these gargoyles were ramp up by 100x
This is definitely a co-op fight, or you're using Mimic Tear; just about every other ashes summon drops stupid fast. It is annoying that there is such a meta with some of the challenges. Phase 2 is just lame when the one you start with suddenly starts bounding away and spamming poison to pretty much require that you have a very durable way of dealing with two sources of aggro.
This is one of those battle where they should let you use torrent, would have made this fight more manageable, the quality dipped in ED in certain spots.
When you were about to beat up this boss, you got stopped by poison. 💀🙃
I love how they got around making the difficulty more nuanced by giving every major enemy a one hit kill attack, hence the poison cloud.
This fight would be a lot better if the first gargoyle stopped using the poison after the second one arrives so you can reliably defeat it in time
Kinda hate how with some of elden rings bosses, they just slam two overpowered enemies in a single room
What level were you guys when you fought this boss? I just beat it and am currently level 70. I had to use 20 runearcs in order to beat these bastards, definitely the hardest fight for me thus far. Duos are always tough and Elden Ring is full of them. Before this I had almost just as difficult as a time against Crucible Knight + Misbegotten Warrior.. and then there's also the Twin Pumpkin heads you fight in that tiny crypt, that was miserable as hell too. But shit, I'm loving the hell out of it still hahaha
Your comment reminded me Rune Arcs and Great Rune buffs exist lol. Was at it for roughly 11 attempts for this fight at level 82, saw this and activated Godrick's Great Soul with a Rune Arc, and then beat it in one go. It's almost as if having more health and dealing more damage makes the game easier, or something.
@@Mlow44 After the fight was over I decided to regain my runearcs by pvping in the area right before with the Crucible Knights. I'm such a sadistic bastard but that shit was fun as hell, definitely brought my spirits back from the torment the boss put me through lol.
i’m level 79 and beat it on my second try, just tried to focus the first one so i could get rid of it and wouldn’t have to fight both at the same time
level 60 and im getting fucked
@@gabagool20 what build are you using?
You just couldn't help yourself could you From Software.
Uchigatana with the blood slash art or war ability helped me shred these guys.
i been stuck on this boss for hours thank you so much for this tip easy kill XD
Dude, I love you. You've saved my bacon with that. It suddenly worked like a charm.
You are an absolute legend!
Uchis are op, they're on the magic level of cheese.
I remember walking into this boss room for the first time and seeing the gargoyle and I was like "oh, like Dark Souls 1. I sure hope a second one doesn't jump in". And then he did and the fights quality just went downhill.
Godslayer Great sword does a ton of damage to these MFs and also to any type of enemy that wears strong armor like knights, especially Crucible knights get a lot of damage from that sword.
This is something that I noticed and that I hope will work as a tip for someone that is struggling with the game, I know nobody asked but maybe you are here looking for a way to defeat this boss, also if you don't have enough faith for wielding the sword you can use a talisman.
"Hey what if we gave this fairly difficult enemy a move that basically fucks over nearly any summon?"
I need to get it through my head that Elden Ring has a shit ton of stat checks instead of skill checks.
First tree sentinel, then Margit and now gargoyles…. I always seem to encounter them underprepared.
Not really tbh, as much as I wish that I was good, I know I'm not that great at this game (first souls game so makes some sense, don't think it matters much for me though, it's just copium). For me it's a good bit of stat checks lined with skill checks, but there are people beating Margit and shit with the wretch starter club and stuff, sub level 20 etc. I can't do it, but you can most certainly compensate for stats with skill.
I know what you mean, I've run into a lot of areas where the normal enemies are no trouble at all and then the boss absolutely annihilates me. I watch this video and this guy is doing twice the damage I am with my sword swings.
@@monkeydude952
Best advice I can give melee builds is invest in ashes of war, you'd be surprised how OP some of these ashes are.
@@monkeydude952 Get good honestly. Pick a weapon and dump into it. Aggressive play is rewarded. I've beaten every boss without summons and little trouble. Passive play is the death of almost all new souls players. This boss in particular is awful though. Probably my least favorite in all the souls games in a while
This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them.
I have no idea how it happened but one of the gargoyles jumped off the cliff chasing my mimic lol
Made things much easier
pov your sending this to Ludwig rn because he’s taken 2 damn hours
Lol I’m here just so I can see the fight end
@@olstargamer3119 same....Lud is STILL fighting these biyatch twins at 3:10AM EST. Yup......QT is getting a cat.
Got it on my 5th try by using a rune arc + moon veil. Spammed skill on the first gargoyle before the second one came and got him low. I had one flask left and the second one had full hp. Adrenaline had me dodging shit like ultra instinct. Spamming my skill on the second one somehow allowed me to win the fight with like 5 hp left.
I happened to run into these two right after I re-specced into intelligence to play with some spells. It made the gargoyles so much easier.
was this in the siofra river?
eternal city
I need to spread the word of an accidental cheese I found! If you hang by the waterfall edge near the entrance one of the gargoyles might jump back and off the edge! Try that if you're not a mage cause I hope it can be replicated.
How come every time they do a gargoyle fight there's always more than one? It's expected now, the magic's gone. They should do the opposite where the battle starts out with multiple gargoyles that are somewhat pushovers, but then when there's one left... BOOM! The actual boss crushes the final gargoyle and begins attacking you.
This should have just been the Twin Gargoyles with NO poison. the poison on top makes this WAY to over the top.
Defeat them yesterday after 30 attempts, rest at coffin to new area, happy finally being better in this game, die 8th to the tree avatar 😢
I think these optional gank bosses are made to make more use of the summon mechanic
The Mimic Tear summon helps out a lot, feels like it’s supposed to be used here
@@cheesecake0117 yeah the summon mechanic really is great
@@cheesecake0117 where is the summon exactly? I can't see it at the boss door. Is it somewhere else?
@@bassembboustany Mimic Tear ash summon is opposite direction of the boss by the town with the dead giant on the chair. You should see a stone key gate when making your way through the area in a cathedral.
You'll have to upgrade it first tho cuz it's not that strong without levels.
@@cheesecake0117 oh I thought it was a phantom summon my bad
Gargoyle here too?
My tips, or what i always did on my tries was to lure the first one close to the door, fight him and when he was a little above 50% i did the summons, then to get that last 50%(while the other bitch was walking all the way, that's why i tried to fight the 1 close to the door) i was more recless and spammed jump charge attack(i died a lot, but enventually got lucky), then for the second one i had like 7 jars left and 2 fp flasks so i spammed skills and sorcery(had moonveil), my summons die to poison, but there are runs that they used it less than usual.
exactly what i did, jesus, elden ring while is a good game, really similar to dark souls 3 and inherits all the strong parts of it but somehow it took the worst part of dark souls 2. They use numbers to fill the lack of boss's diversity. Gargoyle? Well, here 2 of them but with official hp bar so it counted as boss. Godskin, well, here another one at the bottom of the tower, and another one in the other room but fat, guess what now both of them in the same room. And you not gonna believe it, there is one more fat one ( at least so far in my playthrough) on the bridge. Really, i mean they re beatable but i found beating them isnt fun any more, more like a chore and mission cus i bought this game so i have to play it through. Boss design some good some really generic and lazy, like some boss i feel like they was supposed to be a regular enemy but they run out of idea so they make it bigger and tanker and put music in it.
Is fun how I defeated this boss in my second attempt, but I 've tried like 20 times to kill the black gargoyle in Caelid and nothing yet.
Bro I just killed him today. Took me about 4 attempts. But I got his Black Halberd. Currently dual wielding it with the Golden Halberd. Doing crazy DMG at the moment.
Hate this boss. Struggled all through the first one and the 2nd one came out of nowhere 😞
Wana help eachother
I’m level 70 and feel like I do no damage to these guys
Which build my friend? I'm on lvl 70 with a pure strenght and a +15 greatsword and honestly I did good damage
You can hit head twice after stagger for extremely high damage and then riposte
Pro tip: the gargoyle closest to you will always be the one to attack (sometimes their AI wigs out and they both attack at the same time) and the one furthest fill breathe out a cone of poison
You can pretty reliably get the first one to jump off the cliff. Makes this fight much easier.
Both did for me💀💀😁😁
Took me three hours. Honestly isn't as poorly designed as people think it is imo, it's just very frustrating. What helped me in the end was using the claw talisman and plunge attacking, which does enough stagger damage to get a riposte in.
nah it's just poorly designed, just like the festival boss one
@@Urine666Deity only bullshit thing is the poison hitbox, and in the future for speedruns the one you need to kill might run away which is kind of a coinflip.
@@Urine666Deity Rahdan? I thought that one was pretty cool.
@@StallionFernando yeahhh that one, built like absolute shit
You're supposed to summon D's brother for this fight, it makes it much more fair as you can effectively focus on one at a time, such is a consequence of not fully advancing and finishing questlines.
After the update patches, I am stuck on this boss. My damage is very weak now
I finally beat this boss. I was using my blood loss katana to fight them which was the wrong approach. I saw somewhere on RUclips that these bosses are stones, thus they don’t bleed. I had to change my weapon, upgrade my Marias Executioner’s Sword to +8 and I was able to beat them after 3 more attempts. I also used Lhutel the Headless Ashes summon to aid me.
How to cheese this boss,
-Head into the Leyndell sewers
-Kill Mohg
-Parkour to the bottom near the frenzy flame
-hit the illusory wall and voila
not sure if you're overleveled or i was severly underleveled. but this amount of damage you deal to them is insane
Not again
What are your stats, I don’t do nearly enough damage
I wonder what soul level you're at because I'm at 65 and it seemed to be enough to deal with them
It's a rock, don't use physical
I was like level 85 when I killed them.
Nah, too much bullshit with this one. 50 hours in and I've hit my first roadblock. As if the fight wasn't unfair enough, they both have poison... Why they thought adding this boss to the game would be a good idea, I'll never know.
You literally just watched this man beat him lol. You can too. Stop whining and play patient.
@@ltsLED Beatable =/= Well designed or fair. Not only does this person look a bit overleveled, but almost all balancing factors for double bosses are totally gone.
@@ltsLED Nah lol he got lucky, the 1st gargoyle only used the poison attack twice and when the 2nd gargoyle spawned he never rushed him, he kept his distance for the most part.
If this was any ordinary run they'd be spamming poison and relentlessly chasing after you the entire fight, not giving you time to heal or even run.
Whether you like to admit it or not, this fight is RNG based, if the peices fall into place then this fight is easy, if they don't and the bosses decide to spam poison or chase you then you're fucked.
yea this boss is dogshit probably one of the worst bosses in the game for me so far
@@brandonhasting2960 if you think this is bad your in for a treat later on.
Where is this boss??
This was the hardest boss in the game for me. Took two hours and about 20 attempts. I didn’t have the mimic tear but I was a decent level. I’d say about 90. Fuck this boss.
This boss is ridiculous if you’re using any colossal weapon. Actually the whole game is harder with big colossal weapons
Valiant? VALIANT?!!! Poison in massive area is the most coward and pussy move I've ever seen in a FromSoftware boss
So u mean to tell me i struggled this whole time for nothing. Whole time Mimic Tear Spirit just shredded these things to pieces? Wow!!!
Far and away the worst boss in the game. What a fucking farce of design.
Boss would b so easy if it weren’t for the bs poison that can track you all over
Luckily I came to this boss overleveled so I didn’t struggle but if I came to this boss before it would of been a nightmare.
Its dissapointing that even as much of a masterpiece that elden ring is, lazily put together bosses like this somehow still manage to get into the game. They've existed in the whole series, so its not a complaint exclusive to this game, but its to be expected that with how much more time and more budget they had, they could iron out encounters like these. One of these gargoyles was already a hassle enough to deal with, and now we get to deal with 2, along with poison attacks.
What if they made one of the gargoyles ranged? like with a scepter? I think having two seperate weapons and styles would have made the boss far more barable, as you can at least make up a strategy.
Thank god, I beat them first try. I see a lot of comments complaining about the poison.
how did you do it? ive been at them for about an hour and im about to lose my fucking mind. The worst boss in the game so far hands down...
these guys are harder than Radahn wtf. need to buy poison immune pots i guess
This fight is such a joke I’m coming back with the most disgusting broken shit you can acquire in this game
I haven't used summons all game but I think imma have to give in for this fight
This makes me remember the nightmare of the Bell Gargoyles in Dark Souls 1 when i try to beat it alone. Well done,FS!!!! I can see this is worse than the Bell Gargoyles a lot, i mean annoying :))
I fucking hate this boss.
It's such a pretty arena.
This is 2 normal enemies not an achievement boss. Wonder what was scrapped for this. Cause it's obviously filler.
2:42 i like that gargoyle move
i wonder if fromsoftware actualy playtests their bosses cause some of them are unfair dogshit
I wonder the same thing. I feel like they don't have actually players test it at all
@@antagonist6240 I beat this boss solo on my like 5th try and I still agree the design for this is ass
valiant gargoyles think they’re the bell gargoyles
Anyone come here after seeing lud suffering?
My god, I keep checking in periodically on his stream, the man is a masochist lol
Me too lmao and now Lirik is suffering
Dude you're a genius. Thanks
I noticed that the ancient dragons and the gargoyles make the same noise.
How tf do you do so much damage, im at 30 dex with blood fang and im not doing nearly as much
Make it +9 its simple you just need to go to capital city
Physical dmg 325
Yeah wtf, Uchis are as OP as magic in this game. If only Faith builds got a buff please.
@@StallionFernando anyone heard of sword of night and flame xD
Lud and Zallen 2.0, except there's no npc summons aside from Mimic Tear. This might be my least favorite boss in the series
Easy way to beat them, no summons just focus on the first one, be good at dodging, never attack first, always counter attack after they finished the attack animation, oh and have a decent weapon, I recommend a good ash of war and str or dex weapon, magic is gonna take too lomg
"Easy way to beat them, focus on the enemy, be good at dodging, have a good weapon and be good at the game."
thanks
id rather gouge my own eyeballs out than fight this boss again
Hot take: the valiant gargoyles are much more challenging than the godskin duo
Took me 3 hours to find an equally skilled player who could kite 1v1. Was amazing satisfying to win. Fuck this boss; more bosses≠better boss fight.
First of all, my Mimic dies in 4 shots. and its +3.
Second, I do 650 dmg with GIANT CRUSHER 60 str with a FULLY CHARGED R2!
Third, what lvl are you? how do I beat them I menaged to kill one, but his 1 shot takes like 80% of my hp
I fought these at level 80 and got destroyed first 3 fights (used Moonveil katana + Lord of Blood's Exultation talisman which raises attack power when there is bloodloss close). The moment I got the mimic summon the fight turned hilariously one sided. I (and my handy mimic) absolutely DESTROYED them. It wasnt even funny. The second guy didnt even make it down before the first guy died (half HP to zero in 2-3 seconds). They didn't even get the time to spew poison. The mimic got the KS though lol. If anyone is struggling, the mimic summon makes a HUGE difference in this fight.
Yeah, that's what I don't like about some of the late game bosses. It's either really easy, it's a cakewalk or it's really hard, borderline unfair.
And i thought radahn was bad
Melee only without summons and this bossfight is one of the hardest
To any players soloing this fight, battle with them near the cliff it is likely they will fall off
Lol more likely YOU will fall off…
What weapon is he even using bruh, how does he get lightning on the katana