This is outrageous! I'm a hedge fund manager and drive my Mercedes in every day for work from Greenwich. Because if this toll I'm going to have to sell my 4th home in Paris! The poors of NYC should be paying for this, not me.
Exactly, the rich doesn't care about $9, it's like pocket change for them, but $9 for poor people will discourage the poor people from going into manhattan, how is this fair?
Maybe because it’s not just going to affect drivers, but make everything more expensive for everyone. Just what renters in $5,000 studios with 5 roommates needed…
Its not actually gonna make everything more expensive for everyone. The cost of shipping goods will stay the same if those shipping companies choose to deliver goods on off peak hours. Or before congestion pricing they paid a driver $30 to sit in 5 hours of traffic but now the same traffic is only 3 hours plus cost of toll@warweasel2832
Holidays may be impacting it, but it stands to reason that congestion pricing in the CBD may have a knock-on effect of reducing traffic throughout the city.
Dude this is nyc. NYC is known for traffic, yet today, the roads are mainly clear and you can drive at comfortable speeds because congestion pricing is doing its job by reducing congestion
@@warweasel2832 If you get busted with those sorts of plates anywhere else in the world they'll take the car off you for your trouble. Only in America do you get a slap on the wrist for pulling that crap
London's experience was aan initial drop in traffic, follwed by a gradual rise back to historic levels. It's not clear from this whether they were the same vehicles returning, or whether there was a turnover in the actual people driving.
@Goat_intheshell Public transportation is not safe. Businesses will be devastated by fewer customers. This will result in less tax revenue to the state. Crime in the subway will hit new highs.
Nobody cares about traffic in midtown. Whats happening to the poorer people in the outer boroughs. Whats traffic like for them? What will pollution look like for them?
Everyone I know here in Manhattan is CONSTANTLY complaining about the traffic in midtown. Even if you're walking it's constant honking from people stuck in gridlock.
One estimate of the revenue that will result from the imposition of this “fee” was $500 million per year. That implies over 152,00 vehicles per day subject to the $9 charge which presumably would be a significantly lowered number from pre-fee days. That’s a lot of congestion.
This is evil and criminal to New Yorkers, who already pay high rent, high insurance, high food price, high cost of living. The MTA is trying to pass on the cost of Fare evasion to drivers.
Guess you're not New Yorkers.. New Yorkers take subway, bus, citibike, bike, mopeds,... Manhattan not a car centric city.. most new yorkers doesn't drive or own car
85% of commuters working in the CBD arrive by public transit. Less than 10% of commuters arrive by car. The MTA predicts the current fares will reduce congestion by 13%. When you do the math out, even if every one of those drivers accounted for by that 13% switched to public transit, ridership would only increase by 1.5%. In other words, no one will notice an increase in congestion on the subway or buses.
This is so great for the millionaires and billionaires. Poor people can take an extra 2 hours to take public transit after their 16-hour shift and this combines two things cities love, taxes, and hating cars
Doubt there'd be any measurable difference in subway congestion. MTA estimates the current fares will reduce congestion by 13%. Less than 10% of commuters access the CBD by car versus 85% by public transit. In other words, even if all the drivers represented in that 13% switched to taking the subway, riders would only experience a 1.5% increase (0.1 * 0.13 / 0.85). That's a negligible increase in ridership that can easily be accommodated by the MTA.
8th AVE. , like so much of NYC, would GREATLY benefit from large containers , spaced between lamp post , and other essential infrastructure, with hearty greenery, that stands all the harsh environment, and weather. The containers could be bought by families in remembrance of passed loved ones. The sales through funeral homes , and the city itself would make NYC more beautiful, and green. Whoever reads this , and knows how to connect the dots, please consider this way forward. Thanks to whomever
All people will do is go around the toll readers. FOH. This BS is a total money grab and the MTA needs to be investigated for how it manages the money.
you should show screen shots of google maps at 15 minute intervals. you can put a few up on the screen and it would show what’s happening on the toll routes and the non-toll routes. you want to see both.
As a strong advocate for public transit, I must say that New York City is not prepared for this shift. Encouraging people to move from cars to trains is a commendable goal, but the current infrastructure is inadequate. For instance, my recent trip on the Metro-North from White Plains to Grand Central was so overcrowded that I couldn't even find a seat, and this was before congestion pricing was implemented. Additionally, taking NJ Transit trains west of Teterboro Airport is a challenge; it involves crawling through a hole in a fence, crossing railroad tracks, and waiting at an uncovered platform for an infrequent and slow diesel commuter train. These experiences, just within eight miles of Manhattan, highlight the dire state of our transit system in one of the few U.S. cities where mass transit should be a viable option, and yet it is failing.
Ok but how else are we going to fix these issues without the money. Remember, Kathy Hochul said that she would tax city businesses instead if we didn’t have congestion pricing, which would be much worse than taxing car drivers driving into Manhattan, especially when most of them are of higher income
@ I'm not saying traffic isn't an issue that needs resolving. What I'm saying is that slamming drivers with a toll to reduce road congestion is a mistake when the alternate mode, transit, has infrastructure that isn't ready to handle the demand or, in some cases, doesn't exist at all. This approach is taking away current options and saying that we can figure out an alternative later. It's short-sighted and typical of weak, inept political leadership. Transit and the movement of people should not be a political agenda. It’s a universal issue that has proven, and time tested solutions. Choose one and do it. Congestion pricing should only be considered and enacted after the new solution has been chosen, built, and operationally proven.
@@AerChungusbut how else can we get that money to help improve public transit? Sure we could increase sales tax, but that would hurt everyone. We could increase income tax for the wealthy, but that probably be hard to do because the very wealthy probably would lobby against that. I would say congestion pricing is our best option, because most of the people who drive into Manhattan are wealthy anyways, and those who aren’t can be given exemptions. Also while I don’t like that everyone is saying that the the MTA has money mismanagement and wasted money and is assuming they are corrupt. I do think it would be a good idea to audit the MTA to make sure they aren’t wasting any money and to make sure they are using the money correctly, though I personally feel like mtas such high budget is due to NIMBYs forcing transit projects to go through unnecessary studies that cost more money and time than construction and also because of the neglect of the subway in the 70s and 80s which they are still recovering from, but maybe audit the MTA just to be safe.
@ New York has the money for transit from existing tax revenue. In 2023; just looking at NJ and NYC proper, 111 billion dollars in Tax revenue. Let’s compare to Switzerland which runs their entire nation on 250 Billion USD. Switzerland also has what is regarded as one of the worlds best transit systems, funded at roughly 10 billion dollars per year. So if NY cannot operate functional, comprehensive transit using existing funding sources, it’s a money management issue, not a lack of funding.
@ what about all the unnecessary studies that NIMBYs are forcing the MTA into doing that cost more money on major projects than the actual construction. What about the fact that the MTA is still recovering from the neglect that the subway faced in the 70s and 80s? Maybe that’s why they have such a high budget. Maybe if the government didn’t force the MTA into having unnecessary studies because NIMBYs don’t like transit, maybe then they wouldn’t have such a budget. Maybe without that neglect of the subway from the 70s and 80s, they wouldn’t have such a high budget. Maybe these are the reasons they have such high budgets. If NIMBYs didn’t exist, transit agencies wouldn’t need such high budgets
This is so short sighted.. just like Trump’s 20%tax on int goods. Things are already dangerously expensive, wait till this congestion tax impacts food and price of goods entering manhattan, since companies will pass down the extra costs to the real losers, consumers. We consumers will need to pay the higher cost of goods plus the congestion tax.
Short-sighted? This has been planned for over 50 years. Dozens of cities around the world have implemented congestion pricing and the result has consistently been a net positive for everyone. Cost of goods won't measurably increase. Deliveries to stores are primarily conducted during off-peak hours. A large truck entering the CBD will be charged less than $6. Even if that truck is conservatively delivering 2000 items, each individual item will cost 3/10ths of a penny more to deliver.
There used to be 5 travel lanes in the street feed they’re showing us. Road diets, bike paths will usually bring about more congestion and pollution from idling
The commute to work was wonderful this morning. Less traffic at Lincoln Tunnel and in NYC there was wayy less traffic this morning. It's a huge difference and no issues to me paying $9.00 and more for a better commute
Why are people afraid to call this what it is? This is Social Engineering. The gov't pushing people to behave in ways they normally would not, for whatever reason, and by whatever means, is called Social Engineering. Ways to engineer behavior by gov't are typically to make "the old ways" more expensive, more dangerous, more inconvenient, etc. Rarely do we see behavior modification by making the new way better. The best way to sell people on taking slow, dirty and dangerous MTA mass transit is by making it fast, clean and safe. That's a near- impossible task in the open air landfill/mental institution called The Big Apple. So we have this instead, a tax on road users intended to force people onto the MTA; the lessened congestion (if any) and bigger budget for MTA slush funds is a happy by-product.
Firefighters should have got exemption. But, some ff'ers use bicycles to go between houses. Give each house some kind of pedicab with storage space, like deli's and dry cleaners use.
There are endless examples of how car bans counterintuitively increase commerce. Fewer cars = more people by foot. Where TF are you going to stop your car to go get a coffee or shop in midtown? lmao, it's much easier to engage with the community if you're on foot or taking transit.
This is outrageous! I'm a hedge fund manager and drive my Mercedes in every day for work from Greenwich. Because if this toll I'm going to have to sell my 4th home in Paris! The poors of NYC should be paying for this, not me.
while i get this is tongue and cheek the poors should be paying the 2.90 fare
Good news - all the companies that are left - are leaving. We voted to shut the NYC circus down - end of this year and open offices elsewhere.
Lmao
@@chaxologist2024 lol get baited
Exactly, the rich doesn't care about $9, it's like pocket change for them, but $9 for poor people will discourage the poor people from going into manhattan, how is this fair?
Years of planning, but people are still blindsided and shocked about congestion pricing 🤣
Maybe because it’s not just going to affect drivers, but make everything more expensive for everyone. Just what renters in $5,000 studios with 5 roommates needed…
Its not actually gonna make everything more expensive for everyone. The cost of shipping goods will stay the same if those shipping companies choose to deliver goods on off peak hours. Or before congestion pricing they paid a driver $30 to sit in 5 hours of traffic but now the same traffic is only 3 hours plus cost of toll@warweasel2832
People also stayed home bc of the supposed snow storm.
Chris 8th avenue is pretty clear because people have not fully come back to work after the holidays..
I'm just here for all the whining
Sorry to report, traffic is unusually light here in Brooklyn. This is most likely due to people taking extended holidays.
Holidays may be impacting it, but it stands to reason that congestion pricing in the CBD may have a knock-on effect of reducing traffic throughout the city.
Don't worry, Hochul never has to pay because she uses your tax dollars instead. 😊
Add every politician in USA 😅😂😅😂
PLEASE stop with the FAKE test 😅.January is the slowest month of the year in NYC , it's always slower around this time of year.
Exactly
Traffic looks exactly like every Monday 😅😂😅😂 stop with the fake news saying that traffic is less 😅😂😅😂
It’s all Bullchit they’ve been bending us over for years and years but like tax they take what they want and we sit back and complain and except it
Dude this is nyc. NYC is known for traffic, yet today, the roads are mainly clear and you can drive at comfortable speeds because congestion pricing is doing its job by reducing congestion
Wait until 2 weeks afterwards, when everone have figured out how to overcome it: traffic will get back to the normal
Retro reflective plates maybe? 😂
@@warweasel2832 If you get busted with those sorts of plates anywhere else in the world they'll take the car off you for your trouble. Only in America do you get a slap on the wrist for pulling that crap
@@warweasel2832 License plates are already retroreflective.
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London's experience was aan initial drop in traffic, follwed by a gradual rise back to historic levels. It's not clear from this whether they were the same vehicles returning, or whether there was a turnover in the actual people driving.
Looks like its working already!!! Traffic is moving.
DOUG WILLIAMS IS NOW A NEWS REPORTER???? 😂😂😂😂
We need to go outside and protest and let them
Know who put the rules 🤷🏻♂️
BEAUTIFUL
What’s the point of congestion pricing if people will go to the city less.
Turnstile jumping is still going on?
This is going to backfire bigtime!
everything the city does backfires 🤣
How exactly?
@Goat_intheshell Public transportation is not safe. Businesses will be devastated by fewer customers. This will result in less tax revenue to the state. Crime in the subway will hit new highs.
@@9davidlong im sorry. On what planet does more cars = profit for businesses in NEW YORK CITY?
@@9davidlong and crime on the mta is a homeless problem. They need proper housing. But people like you would probably scoff at that idea.
Nobody cares about traffic in midtown. Whats happening to the poorer people in the outer boroughs. Whats traffic like for them? What will pollution look like for them?
Everyone I know here in Manhattan is CONSTANTLY complaining about the traffic in midtown. Even if you're walking it's constant honking from people stuck in gridlock.
One estimate of the revenue that will result from the imposition of this “fee” was $500 million per year. That implies over 152,00 vehicles per day subject to the $9 charge which presumably would be a significantly lowered number from pre-fee days. That’s a lot of congestion.
Thank god this only hurts the people I hate and not me.
Reporters also paid to lie about this robbery
I cannot afford to drive my vehicle to work anymore and I’m afraid to get murdered on the subway someone please help me
This is evil and criminal to New Yorkers, who already pay high rent, high insurance, high food price, high cost of living. The MTA is trying to pass on the cost of Fare evasion to drivers.
Guess you're not New Yorkers.. New Yorkers take subway, bus, citibike, bike, mopeds,... Manhattan not a car centric city.. most new yorkers doesn't drive or own car
@robotduck77 I live and work in New York. New Yorkers don't need to be saddled with another tax because leader are corrupt and incompetent
Now lets see how bad public transportation becomes
The money from congestion pricing goes into public transportation
@@PlanetToaster😂😂😂😂😂
Can it get worse than it is already?
@@dogreen645 anything is poss in NY
85% of commuters working in the CBD arrive by public transit. Less than 10% of commuters arrive by car. The MTA predicts the current fares will reduce congestion by 13%. When you do the math out, even if every one of those drivers accounted for by that 13% switched to public transit, ridership would only increase by 1.5%. In other words, no one will notice an increase in congestion on the subway or buses.
Pretty good work to actually check on it if it’s bad it’s bad if it works then we will see
This is a scam. Not a single dollar of this driving tax will be used to fix the pot hole filled roads.
This is so great for the millionaires and billionaires. Poor people can take an extra 2 hours to take public transit after their 16-hour shift and this combines two things cities love, taxes, and hating cars
Hows the subway traffic doing ? If any New yorker can tell me :)
Doubt there'd be any measurable difference in subway congestion. MTA estimates the current fares will reduce congestion by 13%. Less than 10% of commuters access the CBD by car versus 85% by public transit. In other words, even if all the drivers represented in that 13% switched to taking the subway, riders would only experience a 1.5% increase (0.1 * 0.13 / 0.85). That's a negligible increase in ridership that can easily be accommodated by the MTA.
8th AVE. , like so much of NYC, would GREATLY benefit from large containers , spaced between lamp post , and other essential infrastructure, with hearty greenery, that stands all the harsh environment, and weather. The containers could be bought by families in remembrance of passed loved ones. The sales through funeral homes , and the city itself would make NYC more beautiful, and green. Whoever reads this , and knows how to connect the dots, please consider this way forward. Thanks to whomever
Come back next week with a follow up: “Checking the prices on everyday goods & services”.
All people will do is go around the toll readers. FOH. This BS is a total money grab and the MTA needs to be investigated for how it manages the money.
1000%
how the heck do you think people will "go around" them when they span the whole street lol
This will destroy the GW Bridge, all Jersey folks will be trying to enter via there 😂
Don't they already pay a $14 toll for that?
@@TheJokeKillerThe toll just increased.
you should show screen shots of google maps at 15 minute intervals. you can put a few up on the screen and it would show what’s happening on the toll routes and the non-toll routes. you want to see both.
They going to make thousands a day off this
Long overdue
Because of this pricing somebody pocket get bigger
A lot of people didn’t go to work today and the holidays are over so it’s not a big deal today! Wait until tomorrow and busy days ahead
its exactly the same as every other monday only now i have to pack a lunch from home,sorry sandwich shops!
If businesses are smart, they told their workers to not go into work. And show what happens if people don’t go into nyc
Exactly
😂 did they? How do you know?
If my employer tells me not to come to work, and that means I ain’t getting paid for the day, nah I’ll still go, I still need the money
Good for business
As a strong advocate for public transit, I must say that New York City is not prepared for this shift. Encouraging people to move from cars to trains is a commendable goal, but the current infrastructure is inadequate. For instance, my recent trip on the Metro-North from White Plains to Grand Central was so overcrowded that I couldn't even find a seat, and this was before congestion pricing was implemented. Additionally, taking NJ Transit trains west of Teterboro Airport is a challenge; it involves crawling through a hole in a fence, crossing railroad tracks, and waiting at an uncovered platform for an infrequent and slow diesel commuter train. These experiences, just within eight miles of Manhattan, highlight the dire state of our transit system in one of the few U.S. cities where mass transit should be a viable option, and yet it is failing.
Ok but how else are we going to fix these issues without the money. Remember, Kathy Hochul said that she would tax city businesses instead if we didn’t have congestion pricing, which would be much worse than taxing car drivers driving into Manhattan, especially when most of them are of higher income
@ I'm not saying traffic isn't an issue that needs resolving. What I'm saying is that slamming drivers with a toll to reduce road congestion is a mistake when the alternate mode, transit, has infrastructure that isn't ready to handle the demand or, in some cases, doesn't exist at all. This approach is taking away current options and saying that we can figure out an alternative later. It's short-sighted and typical of weak, inept political leadership. Transit and the movement of people should not be a political agenda. It’s a universal issue that has proven, and time tested solutions. Choose one and do it. Congestion pricing should only be considered and enacted after the new solution has been chosen, built, and operationally proven.
@@AerChungusbut how else can we get that money to help improve public transit? Sure we could increase sales tax, but that would hurt everyone. We could increase income tax for the wealthy, but that probably be hard to do because the very wealthy probably would lobby against that. I would say congestion pricing is our best option, because most of the people who drive into Manhattan are wealthy anyways, and those who aren’t can be given exemptions. Also while I don’t like that everyone is saying that the the MTA has money mismanagement and wasted money and is assuming they are corrupt. I do think it would be a good idea to audit the MTA to make sure they aren’t wasting any money and to make sure they are using the money correctly, though I personally feel like mtas such high budget is due to NIMBYs forcing transit projects to go through unnecessary studies that cost more money and time than construction and also because of the neglect of the subway in the 70s and 80s which they are still recovering from, but maybe audit the MTA just to be safe.
@ New York has the money for transit from existing tax revenue. In 2023; just looking at NJ and NYC proper, 111 billion dollars in Tax revenue. Let’s compare to Switzerland which runs their entire nation on 250 Billion USD. Switzerland also has what is regarded as one of the worlds best transit systems, funded at roughly 10 billion dollars per year. So if NY cannot operate functional, comprehensive transit using existing funding sources, it’s a money management issue, not a lack of funding.
@ what about all the unnecessary studies that NIMBYs are forcing the MTA into doing that cost more money on major projects than the actual construction. What about the fact that the MTA is still recovering from the neglect that the subway faced in the 70s and 80s? Maybe that’s why they have such a high budget. Maybe if the government didn’t force the MTA into having unnecessary studies because NIMBYs don’t like transit, maybe then they wouldn’t have such a budget. Maybe without that neglect of the subway from the 70s and 80s, they wouldn’t have such a high budget. Maybe these are the reasons they have such high budgets. If NIMBYs didn’t exist, transit agencies wouldn’t need such high budgets
😂😂😂😂 KEEP NYC BLUE!
This is so short sighted.. just like Trump’s 20%tax on int goods. Things are already dangerously expensive, wait till this congestion tax impacts food and price of goods entering manhattan, since companies will pass down the extra costs to the real losers, consumers. We consumers will need to pay the higher cost of goods plus the congestion tax.
Exactly
Short-sighted? This has been planned for over 50 years. Dozens of cities around the world have implemented congestion pricing and the result has consistently been a net positive for everyone.
Cost of goods won't measurably increase. Deliveries to stores are primarily conducted during off-peak hours. A large truck entering the CBD will be charged less than $6. Even if that truck is conservatively delivering 2000 items, each individual item will cost 3/10ths of a penny more to deliver.
More will come because there is only mta and money so more will come when they want more money
and more than half of the cars are taxi. lol (maybe uber+lyft too) and they are exempted? lol
Drive down the FDR drive
I hope it's dismantled and quickly! Ridiculous
Hope they raise the prices even more. Even this reduced traffic is too much.
There used to be 5 travel lanes in the street feed they’re showing us. Road diets, bike paths will usually bring about more congestion and pollution from idling
The commute to work was wonderful this morning. Less traffic at Lincoln Tunnel and in NYC there was wayy less traffic this morning. It's a huge difference and no issues to me paying $9.00 and more for a better commute
Very bad driving from the crew.
Seems like typical aggressive NYC driving. Did think he was going to run that red at 2:30 mark.
thats normal driving in nyc
You're one of those Uber passengers who gives Uber drivers 1 starred for "aggressive driving" if he sped up a couple MPH to pass a vehicle. Smh
People should avoid Manhattan’s business as much as it is possible!
Why are people afraid to call this what it is? This is Social Engineering. The gov't pushing people to behave in ways they normally would not, for whatever reason, and by whatever means, is called Social Engineering. Ways to engineer behavior by gov't are typically to make "the old ways" more expensive, more dangerous, more inconvenient, etc. Rarely do we see behavior modification by making the new way better. The best way to sell people on taking slow, dirty and dangerous MTA mass transit is by making it fast, clean and safe. That's a near- impossible task in the open air landfill/mental institution called The Big Apple. So we have this instead, a tax on road users intended to force people onto the MTA; the lessened congestion (if any) and bigger budget for MTA slush funds is a happy by-product.
Firefighters should have got exemption. But, some ff'ers use bicycles to go between houses. Give each house some kind of pedicab with storage space, like deli's and dry cleaners use.
There should be no exception for No One, except people going to doctor's appointment.
The interesting thing is the foot traffic.... Going to get a hit on NYC economy....
should be the opposite more people means more customers for local stores
There are endless examples of how car bans counterintuitively increase commerce. Fewer cars = more people by foot. Where TF are you going to stop your car to go get a coffee or shop in midtown? lmao, it's much easier to engage with the community if you're on foot or taking transit.
@@Lego_plays3 so do u guys think this is a thing to get more foot traffic in the city for the businesses that aint doing great?
@@xxreyoxx studies have proven that more people on foot means more business just look at amsterdam and paris
@@Lego_plays3 im not familiar with the business overseas but that makes sense for their agenda here, for sure.
Whine more ppl!!
Boycott Manhattan. Also tell your friends overseas to boycott NY state. Im telling all my friends in europe to skip NY in future plans.