Great video! This is really interesting because it may answer a big question I had about the ecu mapping. We are working on this new ecu full time at the moment and have uncovered some really interesting differences compared to the previous ecu. This ‘secret mapping’ may actually be the answer to a big question I had about this new ecu from looking at the data. I’ll test this on our 23 125SX tomorrow and report back. We’ll have updated mapping for the 125/250/300 bikes in the next 1-2 months. Keep up the great work 👍
@@highlandcycles thanks! let us know if you need any help with the IRK or have any questions. So I tested the secret mapping on our 2023 KTM125SX today... just posted a video about it. Results were inconclusive but i still reckon there's some merit to the idea and ill keep digging for more answers.
@@TwoStrokePerformance right on. Watched the video. Good info. We need to have you onto our live show (via the internet of course) and have you talk about what you do.
I heard the difference between the setting, love the 2 strokes sound, melody to my ears. The "red" map sounded like a carb 2 strokes. Great video as always!
Nice! Very informative. Thinking of getting the 125 sx, this mapping trick will be good to have. Still happy with my 21 150 sx. Hopefully KTM will sell a150 kit. Also, when changing the map settings, do you think running a 20 - 30 minute ride and check the spark plug color to see if it richens it up more or less?
30 seconds. Kidding but I don’t do a big break in procedure. I ride them hard right away. I want to break it early if I’m going to break it. That way it’s still under warranty.
Man your videos are just so good! Just got my 23 tx 300 and pumped to follow along with your tips on these. Did you fiddle with your red idle screw at all? Mine is definetly quite low
I noticed when you uploaded the wide open map you had the bike in the white map when doing it, I wonder if you are uploading a faster map just to the white map. Like I wonder if your only uploading it to what ever map you are currently in. I wonder if you had the bike in the green map when doing the wide open map it would make a difference?? Idk
Hi Morgan from the noise and the video, it seems the power comes quicker with the white map vs the green one, anyway hard to say without sitting on the bike, did you feel a difference with the torque from one map against the other? All the best and continue with your awesome videos😅
They do but that would still not be super accurate. The guys at TSP are digging deeper in. There is some merit to this but their initial dyno runs aren’t conclusive either way. Check out their vid. They are super smart! TwoStrokePerformance
TPI's only require a few seconds before you start riding them. Do not touch the throttle to start or omce it is started. No full throttle, super hill climbs in sand until it warms up a bit like any carb bike. I have a 2022 KTM 300 XC TPI and KTM, the big dealership service department & their racers, plus Jeff Slaven all told me the sane thing. Basically, get on it, stsrt it, put on your goggles and start riding.
Love it Morgan. Makes sense Ktm would offer some form of adjustability like green, yellow, red spring and mechanical adjuster of old. Now when is the EFI software adjustment coming out??
When you turned the bike off, you left it in the white map which is why the green light never came on when you tried it in the hot secret mode, and also why the white mode felt better after you adjusted it
@@highlandcycles which one did you end up putting in it I was thinking about upgrading it normally I use sharai but I heard the new slot for the batteries is pretty slim
@@highlandcycles oh wow yeah I just looked at that tree there's not a whole lot of wiggle room in there what did you end up having to do did you make a video?
I don't have a 23 2T but I have a 23 350xcf. Been watching your videos with interest. A thought. Doing mid throttle and rolling forward recalibrate the power valve. However remap wouldn't require that as min an max power valve opening settings are done. If you plug in the dongle with throttle at 50% only does the power valve move?
Very interesting. I think had someone else made the change, then you rode it not knowing what was changed you would have had a less biased opinion. I can see if green is too brutal and white is too tame I guess the wide open setting you did in white would satisfy a guy.
There are currently no aftermarket ECU's for the 23' SX models, I called Vortex and they said they would not be making any anytime soon, GET is making one now. I have a vortex on my Rockstar 450 and it is a game changer. I currently have a 23' 125sx that I am posting videos on my channel. Follow me!
I did hear something on this but after spending 12K on the new bike I was scared to try it especially after hitting the button while it was running and ending up back at stealership to get it running again plus wasn't so sure on the info I got other bikes that are efi and all them changes are made threw the ecu rather that be unlocking one or going with a aftermarket unit so I just thought bullshit on that but would be cool same on my bike the green screams high rpm just pulls and pulls my white map feels really flat I would call it and ya I got same bike u got and 3rd and 4th pulls the front wheel fairly easy when ur really in it
That's cool, I'm going to try this with my 300 SX. I wonder how many features are dormant on the new TBI bikes that KTM is planning on releasing? When are they going to release the app?
@@highlandcycles I have a 23' 125sx that Im diving into the last week or so, doing some mods and exploring the tech inside, videos on my channel! Follow me I follow you! ps- the PV half throttle dongle connector is to be used after you disassemble the pv for service so the start and end points are set. It offers no performance advantage, its just a service thing. The only way to determine if the full throttle red/yellow/green spring comparable makes any difference is on a dyno, I going to dyno mine next week to see whats up with it being stock, modded, pipeset, reeds, etc...thx!
I have seen some videos and they are all the 2023 TPI EXC in Europe (XC-W model equivalent in N. America). They are TPI, Not TBI bikes. KTM changed cylinder manufacturers for the 2023 TPI motors. And the piston is grenading at around 65 hours.
It doesn’t do the beeps. I tried it. It only does that when you do the 1/2 throttle one. But that is for setting the PV. The changing maps wouldn’t necessarily need to make those sounds.
Thing about the butt dyno is unless it's major ur mind starts playing tricks and having u 2nd guess it all I hate it happens every time I do something to my machines I either feel something or hear something drives me insane honestly 🤘
On the TPI's you can manually adjust the power valve via the yellow square head screw. You can also buy tue green and red springs to try and adjust. The springs from a dealer are about $1 per spring.
I hadn’t heard about the different map settings. So, it will be interesting to learn more. Also, have you heard anything else on the start button error code?
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Great video! This is really interesting because it may answer a big question I had about the ecu mapping. We are working on this new ecu full time at the moment and have uncovered some really interesting differences compared to the previous ecu. This ‘secret mapping’ may actually be the answer to a big question I had about this new ecu from looking at the data.
I’ll test this on our 23 125SX tomorrow and report back.
We’ll have updated mapping for the 125/250/300 bikes in the next 1-2 months.
Keep up the great work 👍
Awesome man! We are installing two of your re location kits next week! Love your stuff.
@@highlandcycles thanks! let us know if you need any help with the IRK or have any questions.
So I tested the secret mapping on our 2023 KTM125SX today... just posted a video about it. Results were inconclusive but i still reckon there's some merit to the idea and ill keep digging for more answers.
@@TwoStrokePerformance right on. Watched the video. Good info. We need to have you onto our live show (via the internet of course) and have you talk about what you do.
I’m just really happy to see someone running their starter button the left side! No wonder you been pulling holeshots 💪🏼
Damn straight
Nice video. We will have dyno runs soon from my buddy JD. I’m going to talk to him and get him to try this and see what it does.
Awesome. That will be the only way to really tell.
What's your friend's RUclips name. I am very interested in seeing that
Sweet - the double blind scientific method, complete with control group and placebo!
Enjoyed it - thanks for the video.
You bet. Hahaha
I heard the difference between the setting, love the 2 strokes sound, melody to my ears. The "red" map sounded like a carb 2 strokes. Great video as always!
Thanks n
Great videos man I love them. Quick question. Can you do the same on a 2024 to TE300n Husqvarna. And what battery are you running?
You can but I don’t think it really makes much difference in reality
I just bought one and am curious if you can set the white map to Low and set the green map to High. It is completely electronic after all
Nice! Very informative. Thinking of getting the 125 sx, this mapping trick will be good to have. Still happy with my 21 150 sx. Hopefully KTM will sell a150 kit.
Also, when changing the map settings, do you think running a 20 - 30 minute ride and check the spark plug color to see if it richens it up more or less?
That’s a good idea
Did it change anything on the guys 125?
He overall'ed a woods race on the east coast recently, on a 125 or a 150. And he's upper 40's/early 50's.
Just wonder if can I do that on my 2020 xc 300 TPI. I move from Maryland creeks to the Rocky Virginia
I don’t think so and I’m not sure it works
@highland cycles I recently js got my 23 300 xc, how long did it take to break in yours?
30 seconds. Kidding but I don’t do a big break in procedure. I ride them hard right away. I want to break it early if I’m going to break it. That way it’s still under warranty.
Man your videos are just so good! Just got my 23 tx 300 and pumped to follow along with your tips on these. Did you fiddle with your red idle screw at all? Mine is definetly quite low
Yep. Had to turn it up some
@@highlandcycles cheers..ill fiddle away
Where do you get that plug?
Comes with the bike
Hi can I put front light and back light on my ktm sxf kick star 2011 do I need wire harnes for it
I think you can on that bike. You will need a harness for sure
@@highlandcycles cheers you were correct about my ktm sxf bogging needed new pump for inside tank thanks a lot so helpful to me 🫵🏻👌
@@stevenmcallister2230 heck yeah!!
I noticed when you uploaded the wide open map you had the bike in the white map when doing it, I wonder if you are uploading a faster map just to the white map. Like I wonder if your only uploading it to what ever map you are currently in. I wonder if you had the bike in the green map when doing the wide open map it would make a difference?? Idk
Good question. Lot to figure out.
Hi Morgan from the noise and the video, it seems the power comes quicker with the white map vs the green one, anyway hard to say without sitting on the bike, did you feel a difference with the torque from one map against the other? All the best and continue with your awesome videos😅
I think I did but it’s hard to tell. I think that in the “red spring” setting, the white map is more like the green map in normal setting.
There's something to this. Likely using midi machine code to set digital dial of settings...power valve settings and ignition map in tandem...
Full open, connect wait, close throttle wait and unplug. Doesnt gopro have acceleration sensor if you using littpro app or something.
They do but that would still not be super accurate. The guys at TSP are digging deeper in. There is some merit to this but their initial dyno runs aren’t conclusive either way. Check out their vid. They are super smart! TwoStrokePerformance
Do TBIs have a warm up like TPI or can you just ride it?
Pretty much just ride it. Warm up like a normal carb bike
TPI's only require a few seconds before you start riding them. Do not touch the throttle to start or omce it is started.
No full throttle, super hill climbs in sand until it warms up a bit like any carb bike.
I have a 2022 KTM 300 XC TPI and KTM, the big dealership service department & their racers, plus Jeff Slaven all told me the sane thing.
Basically, get on it, stsrt it, put on your goggles and start riding.
Love it Morgan. Makes sense Ktm would offer some form of adjustability like green, yellow, red spring and mechanical adjuster of old. Now when is the EFI software adjustment coming out??
I know. Can’t wait
You mentioned you put a different battery in. What did you put in?
Antigravity AG 801
Hats off to Highland Cycles!👍
Thanks n
It's re learning the power valve in relation to throttle position
What are the tool storage holder under the seat?
What do you mean l?
There are spaces under the seat toward the back that look like tools will snap in?
@@cazsimon914 Oh, yeah, that is just venting for the air box. Nothing goes there. You could probably build something that would. Might be a cool idea.
Is it always necessary to change the oil filter every time you change oil ,I'm sure it's best too but ,,,
Not necessary but a good idea
I can’t wait for the build on that 22 xcw!!! How long do you think!? I need info and knowledge lol. Thank you for the great videos man!!
Hoping next week
Can't wait till you try out that wonton hungdong carburetor that looks like a smart carb I can't wait to see what you say about it?
Me too.
When you turned the bike off, you left it in the white map which is why the green light never came on when you tried it in the hot secret mode, and also why the white mode felt better after you adjusted it
Did your factory battery go bad already or did you change it for an aftermarket?
Factory bath was still good but I swapped for a higher CCA one
@@highlandcycles which one did you end up putting in it I was thinking about upgrading it normally I use sharai but I heard the new slot for the batteries is pretty slim
@@donrohde101 I put an anti gravity AG-801. Had to modify the tray for it to fit.
@@highlandcycles oh wow yeah I just looked at that tree there's not a whole lot of wiggle room in there what did you end up having to do did you make a video?
@@donrohde101 ruclips.net/video/00LPRVU3PR4/видео.html
This is Gold!
Nice video! Could you do some more videos also while you ride the bike on the track? Would be awesome!
Very interesting experiment loving these
No mention of the purple power band???
I don't have a 23 2T but I have a 23 350xcf. Been watching your videos with interest.
A thought. Doing mid throttle and rolling forward recalibrate the power valve. However remap wouldn't require that as min an max power valve opening settings are done. If you plug in the dongle with throttle at 50% only does the power valve move?
No it doesn’t. It doesn’t do anything until you roll it closed. At least as far as I can tell.
So my thought would be rolling preforms pv calibration and just hold one of the 3 positions sets a map. We can hope for that to be the case.
@@jonathanchiasson931 that’s what I think also.
@@highlandcycles This would be greatly appreciated chart for all those interested !
Any graphic designers out there ?
Any idea why you rarely see suzuki's in your shop?
Just very few around here. The dealership doesn’t sell many
Wouldn't you have to plug it in when full throttle then turn back to nothing before unplugging?
I don’t think so. But I tried that too. Same result. I think it’s different but not a “game changer” lol
Very interesting. I think had someone else made the change, then you rode it not knowing what was changed you would have had a less biased opinion. I can see if green is too brutal and white is too tame I guess the wide open setting you did in white would satisfy a guy.
Yeah. Not a very scientific test for sure.
Do you ever use after market ECU's?
There are currently no aftermarket ECU's for the 23' SX models, I called Vortex and they said they would not be making any anytime soon, GET is making one now. I have a vortex on my Rockstar 450 and it is a game changer. I currently have a 23' 125sx that I am posting videos on my channel. Follow me!
I personally don’t. But this is the first FI bike I’ve had
Doing it wrong. It’s: up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A and Start
Select/ Start
@@ThatPlatedLife you right!!!! CONTRA
That’s a pure cheap 😂
I did hear something on this but after spending 12K on the new bike I was scared to try it especially after hitting the button while it was running and ending up back at stealership to get it running again plus wasn't so sure on the info I got other bikes that are efi and all them changes are made threw the ecu rather that be unlocking one or going with a aftermarket unit so I just thought bullshit on that but would be cool same on my bike the green screams high rpm just pulls and pulls my white map feels really flat I would call it and ya I got same bike u got and 3rd and 4th pulls the front wheel fairly easy when ur really in it
Been reading about this on a KTM forum site but you can’t always trust some of the info from these sites👍
Yep
Need to do it along side a Dyno brother to actually see
I know
Could do like I did on my 3fiddy. Made things much simpler.... unplug it and put it in the drawer until you sell it hahah
Hahaha
Crazy, you think this easter egg would work on the 22's XC - XCW? Or is the dongle just used to prime the oil pump on those?
Same thought as dealer mentioned for performance and manual only indicates oil pump primer ?
The TPI dongle is just for oil pump. The only reason this is a thing on the new ones is that they have an electronic power valve.
Maybe try full throttle then roll it closed
That's cool, I'm going to try this with my 300 SX. I wonder how many features are dormant on the new TBI bikes that KTM is planning on releasing? When are they going to release the app?
I don’t know. Really hoping the app and wifi module will come out soon
@highlandcycles I can see the spot for the module inside the airbox and the harness is there. Just patiently waiting
@@kelceyk8199 yep
@@highlandcycles I have a 23' 125sx that Im diving into the last week or so, doing some mods and exploring the tech inside, videos on my channel! Follow me I follow you!
ps- the PV half throttle dongle connector is to be used after you disassemble the pv for service so the start and end points are set. It offers no performance advantage, its just a service thing.
The only way to determine if the full throttle red/yellow/green spring comparable makes any difference is on a dyno, I going to dyno mine next week to see whats up with it being stock, modded, pipeset, reeds, etc...thx!
@@themotocrossmodchannelWulfMX awesome. I know, I need a dyno close to me.
Have you heard about the Pistons exploding due to poor piston material? Seen a few videos about that
I have. So far I think it’s been the W models
I have seen some videos and they are all the 2023 TPI EXC in Europe (XC-W model equivalent in N. America).
They are TPI, Not TBI bikes.
KTM changed cylinder manufacturers for the 2023 TPI motors. And the piston is grenading at around 65 hours.
@@human1513 ugh
New maps are out!!
Has anyone figured this out yet?
For the full throttle setting I think you need to go back to zero throttle like you did the first time and hear the beeps?? Just guessing 🤣
It doesn’t do the beeps. I tried it. It only does that when you do the 1/2 throttle one. But that is for setting the PV. The changing maps wouldn’t necessarily need to make those sounds.
🔥seems to me all that is doing I’s recalibrating tps sensor, open limits and close limits🔥👊🔥⚙️🏍🔨
Thing about the butt dyno is unless it's major ur mind starts playing tricks and having u 2nd guess it all I hate it happens every time I do something to my machines I either feel something or hear something drives me insane honestly 🤘
Totally. I need a dyno
@@highlandcycles How much even is a decent bike dyno these days sure little cheaper for u having a shop and hookups
@@ALDA2479 big money still. And not really useful day to day in my shop
@@highlandcycles Right probably make more sense if u did more street bike type of work
@@ALDA2479 yeah. Or serious ECU tuning.
I wonder if the same “secret mapping” exists on the TPI models…
I doubt it. This has more to do with the electronic PV
On the TPI's you can manually adjust the power valve via the yellow square head screw. You can also buy tue green and red springs to try and adjust. The springs from a dealer are about $1 per spring.
sounds like that 'dongle' is replicating the 3 different power valve springs as previous .... i said DONGLE ..... hahaha
Hehehe dongle
I hadn’t heard about the different map settings. So, it will be interesting to learn more. Also, have you heard anything else on the start button error code?
Still no update on the 5 blink error code unfortunately.
My update is I put a piece of black tape over the FI light
You and jeff need to ride together lol!
Hahaha
I don't think it's changing anything.... When I get my hands on one of the 23 XC's I'll try it out myself ✊️😁
It’s hard to tell by seat of pants. Need a dyno
I'm waiting for Jeff's opinion. Seriously, I really am.😊
Hehehe. I have insider info that he is pissed I beat him to it. Hahaha
Are we supposed to get the dongle with the purchase of the bike? I did not!
Yes. I received a small packet with the dongle, a couple of spare bolts, some fuel filters, and a couple of other small things.
Yeah, Robin you should have received it.
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@@chrisnelson380exc 🤣😂
It would be nice if the dynastic port was accessible without removing the seat.
Agree
On the XCW/EXC you could route the cable to be accessible from the airbox. Might work on the TBI too?
@@mpetkov2158 might have to look at that. Thanks