AM4 Coolers on AM5 - The Final Answer
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- The whole debate about using a cooler from the AMD AM4 on AM5 has dragged on long enough. This is the final answer about understanding if an AM4 cooler is compatible with Ryzen 7000 series processors.
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Clarity on new gen kit is so important. Especially when there are unscrupulous operators in the market. Thanks for the heads up
If there’s one constant in this space, it’s ‘Noctua is awesome.’
Agree. Bought my NH-U12S almost 10 years ago and it’s still compatible with my newest computer with a free socket mount kit directly from their website (also no postage fees at least in the Europe!).
It also works and is silent like the day I bought it. They are not cheap but they are woth it in the long term.
And expensive. Thermalright and DeepCool have cheaper options that get you 90% of the performance.
@@KellyWu04 their support is nowhere close to noctua tho.
@@Wanted54321 with the price difference you can buy 3 sets of socket adapters for Thermalright or DeepCool and still come out cheaper.
@@KellyWu04 still zero customer support, would take quality over quantity anytime
Thank you Mike for explaining this issue so clearly. Great stuff (as always)
I am not even kidding, i just bought all my new parts for my next-gen build INCLUDING the Scythe Fuma 2, and when I saw you initially show the email from scythe, my heart dropped. Thank you so much for clearing everything up and showing that it is actually compatible!
Thanks a lot Mike, just what I was waiting for.
Hopefully you'll also find the time to actually check which line of coolers will be enough to keep the 90°c operating temperature without throttling.
This is actually very helpful and im glad I found this. So what AMD said about am4 cooler compatability was technically true. it just boils down to if Cooler manufacturers required you to replace your Backplate. Building a new PC soon with AM5 so this definitely made me a bit more aware of what I'm doing.
Thank you for excellent sound quality of your videos. This is the only channel that I can listen to at my car without speakers popping and buzzing.
Great video, very clear. I have a Fuma 2 and I'm very happy with it, so sad that Scythe wrongly say that it's not AM5 compatible...
The Noctua NH-U12A mounts fine on the new AMD cpus - installed it this morning on a 7700x
Appreciate the breakdown. Just upgraded from AM4 and was a little concerned with the compatibility on AM5. Great video!
Thanks for the explanation. I was assembling an AM4 cooler onto an AM5 socket right now, and your video has been crucial :)
I was worried for a moment there. I bought a fuma 2 rev b a while back because availability of this product in my country is atrocious I bought it before the am5 release. Good to hear that it can be mounted and doing a good job cooling the new chip.
I have a Fuma 2 (OG) and saw that same post about AM5 not being compatible. Did a search to see if that was BS or not and thank you for putting my worries to bed. You're a hero!
That answer from Scythe support was strange. I actually wrote to Scythe EU a week ago and got this reply:
"The mounting system for AM4 and AM5 is identical. So the Fuma 2 is already completely compatible to AM5. "
more precisely for intel and amd
@@chopholtz4950 i wrote to arctic since they also claim their cooler (freezer 34 esports duo) is compatible with AM5, but it requires a custom backplate, and they said that it is compatible because the dimensions are the same for am4 and am5, and they didnt know about this backplate not being removable thing.
Please got CAN WE PLEASE get one set of mounting methodologies for consumer platforms, one mounting pattern, for ALL consumer platforms. This is mental. There is no need for this, mounting pressure is mounting pressure...
Very concise and well demonstrated. A very helpful video thanks 🙂
Good to know that my Fuma 2 will still work with AM5 if i ever have the need to upgrade.
Amazing cooler, specially if you want something quiet.
Great video. I believe my techn waterblock should work with am5. It comes with a backplate but the screw threads are identical to the am4/5 backplate and it threaded in no problem.
P.S. if you ever wanna truly test mounting pressure, buy some pressure paper, it works incredibly well. I used it when doing my 4690k direct die mounting.
you tried? I am interested in knowing if it is compatible with AMD RYZEN AM5
Does the screw compatible from the am4 bracket to the am5 bracket?
I got the Deepcool LS720 AIO in White and worked right out of the Box with the AM5 mounting kit that it came with, and it keeps my Ryzen 9 7950X under 60c, its a amazing AIO that Deepcool made with the LS series and affordable.
Thank you Hardware Canucks for clearing up the confusion regarding AM5 cooler compatibility!
Thanks Mike for your efforts on getting this video out asap!!! Love your work keep it up!!!
Thank you so much for the heads up!
Thank god man.... been trying to find a bracket that would work for the 212 black on am5 for weeks! you saved me a lot of trouble.
The thermalright AXP90 is actually compatible with the AM5 mobos with some nuances. The screws are actually small enough to pass through the screw holes of AM5's backplate if you are careful and patient enough. The cooler's backplate then will be able to sit on the existing backplate and then you fasten it up. Works pretty good at least on the B650I.
Great Video Mike, very helpful!
As a Fuma 2 user that was interested in carrying it across to AM5 when I move to it, thank you.
Thanks for the heads up, man!
Thank you for the clarification
The main takeaway for me from all of this is:
Noctua might be slightly more expensive, but they DO NOT fuck you over. I've had an NH-D14 since *2013* for my FX-8350, and they've since then sent me an Intel Xtreme mounting kit, an AM4 mountain kit, and even now an AM5 mounting kit. All free of charge.
That in of itself is worth the extra $10-15 to me.
Awesome video Mike, right to the point and you didn't miss anything :)
PS I see something nice in the left corner ;)
Thanks for the message Mike , love your content man !
Thank you for this info,it was very helpful with my upgrade to AM5 platform.
Thanx again.
Extremely well explained. Thank you!
Glad you made this video and I found it. I'm re-using the Fuma 2.
When it comes to PC Coolers, Mike is The Man. This will only become MORE important moving forward as these new CPUs are going to be...putting out a lot of heat. Great job...
Thank you for clearing this up.
Really need to be out there! Great explanation!
Mike thank you! Always looking out!
keep up great work, easy to understand your videos the way you explain:) best !
Thanks!
Thank you!
I am considering Arctic Freezer 34 e-Sports Duo for my Ryzen 5 5500 sometime early next year.
But since I am a HUGE fan of future proofness , and while highly unlikely that I shall upgrade to AM5 and especialy anytime soon , I would still love to
have the option of 1 for 2 at similar budget price .
Default cooler of 5500 is fine tempswise for now , but it is annoyingly loud more than sonetimes.
Big help thanks
Great Info! Much appreciated
Great explanation, very useful. I'm curious what thermals you are seeing with the air cooler?
Those are coming. In a VERY extensive video. Maybe too in-depth.
@@HardwareCanucks Awesome, looking forward to it! I'm really wondering if something like the noctua nh-d15 will make huge different over an AIO, not a fan of water cooling
@@spm108 No, there is no huge difference between e.g. Nh-D15 and AIO (under 5% diffrence in CB scores)
Thank you so much. You explained it so well.
Subscribing you brother.. first time here and I liked your video so much. even though I m not going to build am5 computer right now but the way you explain things (not just talk) is what I really liked. Keep doing it. Thanks 🙏
Well explained, Thank you very much!
I'm so happy to know my H150i cap can support AM5 and is so easy to install.
Scythe US put out an article on their website that most of their current coolers (including both versions of the Fuma 2) are compatible with AM5.
I used to work for a company with a similar strategy: We were supposed to deny any news until it was official because the decisions in the management were held back from the support team right until the day the official statement went public. So we sent e-mails to customers that something doesn't work at 8:59 AM, the news went live at 9:00 AM, and the support team was officially informed many hours or days later so we had to check the public news in the meantime. So I would never blame the support team of a company.
Correct. I worked with them on that since they yanked all their AM5 compatibility info three days ago and then re-added it yesterday.
great down to the point no bs video, thank you
Thank you a lot for making it clear! 👍👍👍☺️
godamn, this need to be "elevated" out there, great video as usual!
Much appreciated!
Jayztwocents didn't help with his clickbaity videos so thank you HWC
That's the one thing I don't like about him. I even got banned from commenting on his videos for calling him out on his excessive clickbait a few years ago :/
I unsubscribed from his channel and haven't seen one of his videos in a while. He ruined the channel with the talking head videos parroting rumors and misinformation as they were facts.
jay2cents knows nothing about computers, he just poops bullshit that confuses people.
What do you expect jays an AMD fanboy now.
@@keppycs He blocked me on twitter a while back for a similar reason :|
Congrats to AMD, same mounting clips since socket 754! We should try testing some vintage 2004-2006 coolers, there were some wild ones :)
I know Zalman made some excellent low-profile coolers with solid copper heatsinks back in the day. I'd love to see some of those tried out on the new platform!
The mounting clips are the same, but the hole position was not the same with all the gens... I remember that AM3 and AM4 was not compatible.
@@TheRealSkeletor they don't use clips :|
Now I'm wondering about using a Zalman CNPS7700 from 2005 hahaha. Still new unused!
@@mattscomp yeah I had one, it is so iconic!
Nice. Thanks. Hope these company do their homework.
Great thanks..
Good info, thank you.
Thanks for this video!
Thanks for a very useful video guys, this is very helpful
I have the Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black. It is good to know that I can use it in the future when I upgrade to AM5. I plan not to switch before Ryzen 8000 though. Maybe its then to weak for the cpu but time will tell.
Super helpful! My 7950X is here, get my X670E Asus ProArt in a few days, and my Noctua will work! The Fractal Torrent case is not kind to my AIO stable, so air coolers are a must, and I am super stoked to migrate off my "ANCIENT" 12900K! 🙂
Why did you change to 7950x and not keep your 12900k or wait for 13900k? I am looking to buy 13900k.
@@mullison1 I am sure I will buy the 13900k as well. Haven't had. Ryzen since a 3900k. I like the number of PcieE lanes on the AM,5, and I get to try PCIe 5 nvme soon. Intel a bit behind.
Exciting stuff, I'm aiming to get the Asus ProArt and the 7900X and trying to air cool it. Upgrading from a 6700k xD
@@seannewcomb7594 Finally have my 7950x and ProArt set up. On DaVinci Resolve Pro, renders and timeline performance are 5-10% better than my 12900K system. BUT, not sure vMix or OBS are as good. OBS is showing about 45% CPU utilization, and does drop frames while streaming, same RTX a4000 GPU. vMix is giving me higher CPU nd GPU utilization numbers, perhaps double. So, my only theory is the IGPU in the 7950x is not being used at all, YET! I would imagine some optimization will be needed. I am going to try the Intel 770 16 GB GPU in the former 12900k system, just to get a sense of how well those two Intel parts work in unison.
I wish someone would test AM4 compatible Threadripper coolers, I'm really curious how they perform on AM5...
Thank you, was worried if my FUMA 2 will not compatible with my upgrades.
No plans to go AM5 but usefull to know 🙌🏻
Good to know, I had a L9a-AM4 from a SFFPC build I wanted to use in an AM5 build. I couldn't find my proof of purchase, but the conversion kit was like $8 on Amazon. Much better than $50.
I have a 2 year old Scythe FUMA Rev.B SCFM-1100 & everything worked perfectly fine except for the 4 screws that go on to the backplate. They are a little bit too short. Scythe just needs to mail out longer screws.
You do not use the Fuma screws, use the AM5 screws that came with the board.I have a Fuma 2 and it works without a problem at R7 7700x
@@mrmrmrcaf7801 My Fuma Rev. B screws were too short. I had to buy a Noctua AM5 adapter kit for 15$ which included 4 new screws.
hey, good video but some additional notes, note every cooler without backplate is compatible, if cooler uses long mount clips, let’s call them “vertical” - it’s ok, but if cooler uses short “horizontal” mount clips it wont fit, because am5 socket is a bit shorter on horizontal mounting place.
p.s. sorry if ny english is bad, not
my main lang. thanks
have a good day everyone
Thanks 😊
Thanks
Thank you for being very explicit about the retainer clips! I was searching all around for info about whether those brackets retainer clips were the same between AM4 and AM5 (needed to replace some I accidentally sold with the old MoBo)! Thanks again!
Update: For anyone in my situation, needing to replace the cpu bracket clips above and below the cpu socket. I have an x670e and now can confirm from money wasted, that not all brackets are *not exactly* the same for us. The spacing between the screws on the frame don’t allow for the additional support built into a lot of stock AM4 CPU brackets clips. Not the part on the AIO, the part your AIO attaches to. I accidentally gave mine to a young person learning to build computers who needed spare parts and ordered on made for AM4 and while it fits in one direction, it doesn’t in the other and it’s the wrong way 😢. A lot of AM4 brackets seem to have a little flair of support. The AM5 bracket that came with my MoBo was slimmer and so now I’m trying to see if that kid still has my part because I can’t seem to find any online without it! This also makes me wonder if the two types of clip are actually different heights? Even if by millimeters I wonder if that would screw up your CPU? I’m replacing mine because despite everything else being ok, when I reused my Kraken on the AM5 CPU it died in two weeks. Coincidence?
thank you for the info, legit even withou the broll, great content
Nice n clear; cheers pal 👍🏾👍🏾😊
Great video thanks!
👀Can't wait to see them tested on the 7600x or 7700x. Good video and to the point man.
Thanks! 👍
Excellent video !! thanks !!!
When i got a new cooler (Mugen 5 black revC), i made sure it used the default AMD backplate for this reason specifically
thank you so much :)
Good to know.
The Deepcool Assassin III is also compatible with AM5, no special adapters needed. You just flip the four included threaded metal/plastic pieces over, so that the black, plastic part faces the motherboard, and you're good to go.
Hi. Can you please tell me if DeepCool ASSASSIN III will cooler work on ASRock B650E PG Riptide motherboard or not?
Overall, not bad video, keep up the good work !
Came from Reddit to say this was a great video, thanks for explaining it so clearly. AMD made the bad decision of making IHS thicc in order to make AM4 coolers compatible with AM5 in theory, but in practice the compatibility is very limited.
I'd rather keep my Deepcool Gammax 400 V2, which uses a custom blackplate, and upgrade to a Ryzen 5000 instead of spending a lot of money on AM5 platform and a new cooler.
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, that makes sense about the Gammax 400 V2, especially when it comes to trying to save some money.
Scythe put out a news post on the US website on the 29th saying that Fuma 2 and 2 rev b are compatible. My guess is that the reps that work in support simply do not know anything about computers and gave the wrong answers.
Correct. However, a few days ago they also yanked all the "AM5 Compatibility" images and information in the specs from all their existing coolers. They were re-added in the last 24 hours.
Or maybe the backlash was bigger than they expected so they stopped trying to mislead customers.
great video. question is the am5 retention bracket an issue like intel's Z690 retention bracket?
almost bought a new. my arctic freezer duo fits. thank you!
Noctua always has your back for situations like this!
Dude this video was awesome because I couldn’t get a straight answer for Fuma 2 support
lol I was worried about my cooler not being compatible and was starting to take apart my pc while watching this video, then you mentioned the Fuma 2, which is the exact cooler I've got.
6:28, why I love this channel. Troubleshooting and debunking!
I still use my ancient AM2+ cooler on my AM4 B450 pro Motherboard and it works, just need a bit modification of the cradle on the mainboard that needs to raised a bit
That's cool to know for fans and blocks, how about a liquid cooler with radiator review?
Noctua posted on their site: "Noctua confirms AM5 heatsink compatibility and announces free-of-charge upgrades for low-profile coolers and older heatsink models"
nicely done
Glad my dark rock pro 4 will work when I upgrade after a few more years
Thanks Mike 👍
I'm glad I kept my NH U14S around just for this
This doesn't take AIOs into consideration, where there's even more confusion.
Corsair have said that all their AM4 AIOs are compatible with the AM5 socket. NZXT on the other hand have said that while their X and Z AIO AM4 brackets fit on an AM5 socket, there are height differences that may result in gaps between the AIO and the CPU. As a result of this, they're supplying AM5-specific brackets to anyone that has an X|Z AIO who also purchased an AM5 motherboard. This isn't some Scythe scam as NZXT are burdening the expense and giving the AM5 brackets out for free. Their reasoning must be legitimate, otherwise, why go through the effort and cost.
So, just because an AM4 cooler may fit on the AM5 socket, doesn't mean that the fit will be precise.
That seems to be more of a manufacturing issue though because all of the Asetek-rebrands I've seen are 100% compatible (Corsair for example).
The whole point in the extra thick IHS is so the height is that same as AM4. There is no logical reason it shouldn't work if it doesn't need a backplate.
I've been waiting for nzxt to send out the am5 bracket for a week
@@hendog323 I applied for one on the 30th of September, I finally got my tracking number today.
@@blkspade23 That's what we've been told by AMD, hence the confusion surrounding why NZXT are sending out free AM5-specific brackets.
you are awesome man thanks
Nicely done.
Glad to see Fuma 2 is still compatible.
Hyper 212 Evo (1st gen) on AM5 is possible
I have managed to install my 10-year-old Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo CPU cooler on my new AM5 motherboard.
I already had the old AM4 X-shaped movable bracket (RR-AM4B-H212-S1) and I tried to install the cooler with that initially, but I realized that the screw slots on the motherboard were too low to hold the cooler under the bracket.
All the comments on the internet said that it’s not possible to install an old cooler on a new AM5 board, but I still wanted to try my luck. So, I bought the AMD AM5 Mounting Kit (603007170-GP) from a local shop (it might be the last one in stock in my whole country), which is basically just 4 screws that lift the original screw slots about 1 cm on the motherboard. It cost no more than 2 USD.
I installed the 4 screws first and then the cooler with the X-bracket after a little bit of trial and error. It finally fastened enough without any movement at all. I tried it with some games and stress tests, and the CPU (7500F) temperatures didn’t exceed 77 degrees Celsius..